Official Free Agency/Offseason/Non-Draft Thread

[Upnorth]

I was referring to the Seahawks OL.

Well that changes basically everything I Said.... Just let me wipe this egg off my face.

Changing gears ihave been thinking about 12s contract and the restructuring of it. Part of the reason our cap situation next year is what it is has to so with the 2019 restructure and that was why I thought gute has not done anything.
I am wondering if the real reason is he wants to wait till after the draft so he knows what areas really need a fa injection and do a minor restructure to address specifically that without doing as much future damage as last time.
He is a long term planner and that is a logical plan to me.

[Bretsky]

Fair enough. I said he graded in the middle of 90 top guys. Probably puts him just outside average number 2. Would be nice to have better. I do think he is a solid #2. Or slightly below average #2. We are paying him in that range, so I'm good with it. We don't HAVE to overpay someone or reach in the draft now. We also still CAN draft a corner to replace him and it would be OK. So, as I said. We aren't that far off. Guys like him will start on every team. Look at the OL for the Seahawks. They could use a couple King level OL to improve their offense. I could go down every roster and find a position with a guy like King starting. Heck, right now, we will be starting one OL in the King range of talent if we don't improve somehow. We very well might be starting 2 ILB BELOW the king level. Our DE are below the king level unless Keke steps up.

I stand by my position. I'm happy to have king back at that price.

He's a superstar compared to those to Northwestern yahooos on our DL

[bobblehead]

Well that changes basically everything I Said.... Just let me wipe this egg off my face.

Changing gears ihave been thinking about 12s contract and the restructuring of it. Part of the reason our cap situation next year is what it is has to so with the 2019 restructure and that was why I thought gute has not done anything.
I am wondering if the real reason is he wants to wait till after the draft so he knows what areas really need a fa injection and do a minor restructure to address specifically that without doing as much future damage as last time.
He is a long term planner and that is a logical plan to me.

Not a problem, sometimes I'm not clear with my rambling.

As to Rodgers, there is also the chance he is waiting til next years cap hell to pull that lever. He will know better which direction he wants to go. He can extend Rodgers or trade him or do nothing again in 2022 when we will still be in cap hell.

[bobblehead]

He's a superstar compared to those to Northwestern yahooos on our DL

Was sort of my point. You need serviceable guys. We do NOT have that next to Clark. We now have that next to Jaire and it didn't cost much. Now we don't need to press in the draft or overspend in FA, however if the right value is there you don't mind grabbing it.

[Bretsky]

Was sort of my point. You need serviceable guys. We do NOT have that next to Clark. We now have that next to Jaire and it didn't cost much. Now we don't need to press in the draft or overspend in FA, however if the right value is there you don't mind grabbing it.

There seem to be a ton of decent cb talent in free agency that could come cheap. Breeland...Hayward...etc. would love to pluck one if them

[bobblehead]

There seem to be a ton of decent cb talent in free agency that could come cheap. Breeland...Hayward...etc. would love to pluck one if them

Agreed, but they will see how the draft unfolds first. If we grab another Jaire, then they will live with king and sullivan. If we don't get value at CB in the draft they will likely try to bring someone like those guys in.

[Fritz]

Agreed, but they will see how the draft unfolds first. If we grab another Jaire, then they will live with king and sullivan. If we don't get value at CB in the draft they will likely try to bring someone like those guys in.

So did Gutes not extend or redo Rodgers's contract because he didn't want to burden the team salary cap further going forward and wanted the flexibility to get out from under that contract after this year, and was willing to go without in terms of signing more FA's?

Or is he waiting to see how the draft goes and how the bargain barrel looks before he decides how much re-doing Rodgers' contract needs in order to pick up the guys he wants in FA?

Or did he just forget to do it?

[bobblehead]

So did Gutes not extend or redo Rodgers's contract because he didn't want to burden the team salary cap further going forward and wanted the flexibility to get out from under that contract after this year, and was willing to go without in terms of signing more FA's?

Or is he waiting to see how the draft goes and how the bargain barrel looks before he decides how much re-doing Rodgers' contract needs in order to pick up the guys he wants in FA?

Or did he just forget to do it?

My opinion is that he is keeping his options regarding Rodgers open. I don't think he has made a decision at this point. I THINK that sometime soon they will extend adams as that gives them some help and is a must anyway. Remember, this team isn't out of the woods, they will be in cap hell next season as well. Should Rodgers put up another MVP type season they may completely redo his deal next year and extend him. I just have no clue what they are thinking. The thing that sticks in my craw though is 1) Rodgers not diving on the dropped snap vs. SF and Rodgers not running towards the goal line vs. TB. I just don't know if he has that fire in his belly anymore. Will that kind of thing factor in to Gutes thinking, or is Rodgers just so talented you can overlook it?

[Fritz]

My opinion is that he is keeping his options regarding Rodgers open. I don't think he has made a decision at this point. I THINK that sometime soon they will extend adams as that gives them some help and is a must anyway. Remember, this team isn't out of the woods, they will be in cap hell next season as well. Should Rodgers put up another MVP type season they may completely redo his deal next year and extend him. I just have no clue what they are thinking. The thing that sticks in my craw though is 1) Rodgers not diving on the dropped snap vs. SF and Rodgers not running towards the goal line vs. TB. I just don't know if he has that fire in his belly anymore. Will that kind of thing factor in to Gutes thinking, or is Rodgers just so talented you can overlook it?

For me, it's the not-running on third down against Tampa. Sure, he may not have made it. But surely he gets down to the five or so, I think. And that makes fourth down more makeable - think of the LA play when Adams went into motion and with a little flip from Rodgers he scores.

I don't understand Rodgers not taking off. But I suppose in so many ways he's so talented that you can overlook a lot of that getting-older type of decision-making, as the Pack did with Favre.

[texaspackerbacker]

My opinion is that he is keeping his options regarding Rodgers open. I don't think he has made a decision at this point. I THINK that sometime soon they will extend adams as that gives them some help and is a must anyway. Remember, this team isn't out of the woods, they will be in cap hell next season as well. Should Rodgers put up another MVP type season they may completely redo his deal next year and extend him. I just have no clue what they are thinking. The thing that sticks in my craw though is 1) Rodgers not diving on the dropped snap vs. SF and Rodgers not running towards the goal line vs. TB. I just don't know if he has that fire in his belly anymore. Will that kind of thing factor in to Gutes thinking, or is Rodgers just so talented you can overlook it?

I tend to agree, that's what he's doing. And if so, it absolutely pisses me off. There should be no question or need for options or anything like that about Rodgers, and acting like there is does nothing except keep the team from going after potential free agents. Retaining both Rodgers and Adams long term is essential to Packer success, and getting a decent free agent or two this season would certainly help too.

[bobblehead]

I tend to agree, that's what he's doing. And if so, it absolutely pisses me off. There should be no question or need for options or anything like that about Rodgers, and acting like there is does nothing except keep the team from going after potential free agents. Retaining both Rodgers and Adams long term is essential to Packer success, and getting a decent free agent or two this season would certainly help too.

You realize that Rodgers is under contract for 3 more seasons taking him to 40 years old right? The cash outlay is reasonable from here and the 2023 cap hit is very reasonable. Why should they do anything other than have him play out the next 3 years?

[texaspackerbacker]

Three strong reasons: 1. 3 more years is not enough - I, for one, am not ready to see the team go in the toilet in 3 years, which almost certainly will happen without Rodgers. 2. It would be beneficial if not absolutely necessary to generate some cap space to pick up a couple of quality free agents for the '21 season. It's highly probable that everybody will have a lot more cap space in future years. 3. It would shut up the people actually wanting to move on from Rodgers in even less than 3 years.

[Upnorth]

Three strong reasons: 1. 3 more years is not enough - I, for one, am not ready to see the team go in the toilet in 3 years, which almost certainly will happen without Rodgers. 2. It would be beneficial if not absolutely necessary to generate some cap space to pick up a couple of quality free agents for the '21 season. It's highly probable that everybody will have a lot more cap space in future years. 3. It would shut up the people actually wanting to move on from Rodgers in even less than 3 years.

We have a better roster and much better coach than the last time rodgers was injured so if love is just a jag we aren't in the toilet.
Plus we have no idea if love is a stud or a muffin. Implying you know otherwise is a fool's errand. That's regarding point 1.

Regarding point 3... Who says they want to move on in less than 3 years besides media? The people saying this would spin a new contract into someother thing like Lafluer hates gute and supports rodgers. Or love is garbage or some other dumb thing. That's there job. Our job is to fall for clickbait and generate advertising dollars.

[Joemailman]

It's ironic that Tex is as obsessed with the need to extend Rodgers' contract as those "media pukes" he used to criticize.

[texaspackerbacker]

Media pukes are obsessed with the need to extend Rodgers? Good for them if true, but I haven't seen or heard any. It's more like Upnorth said - mostly it's the media pukes stirring up crap on this and other topics. As for Jordan Love, correct, nobody can say at this point he's nothing but crap. It's just as correct, though, that nobody can say he ain't. What is pretty sure is that he ain't Aaron Rodgers or even close - virtually nobody is. As for the Packers being a whole lot better now than when Rodgers was hurt for a fairly long time, maybe a little bit but not all that much. We still can't win games with defense; Our O Line arguably is overrated because of Rodgers; I like our receivers but a lot of people don't; It boils down to Aaron Jones being the only significant improvement from before, and for a while it looked like they were gonna lose him. And is LaFleur that much better a coach than McCarthy? I'm generally with the yeses on that, but I'm not sold on the idea that his system can win much without Rodgers. I think we have a sub-.500 team without Rodgers.