Official Free Agency/Offseason/Non-Draft Thread

[bobblehead]

I grew up during the Lombardi era... yes, championships are my standard.

Who lost the NFC Championship Game in 1975, '83, 06, etc... all anyone remembers or commemorates is Championships.

We've won 4 since 1967, that's the only stat that matters.

Then you will be very disappointed almost every season in the salary cap era. The league is designed to STOP repeat winners.

[bobblehead]

It's a percentage, just not the right one. You claimed the success rate was about the same for either approach. To determine that, you need to count how many teams took each approach and use that as your denominator. 9th grade math, indeed.

In order to make that calculation, you need to define how you define go for it. Good luck with that, but since you made the claim, you should back it up.

I made the claim and I stand by it. If you want to DISPROVE it the onus is on you to do the math and show me I'm flawed. I'm offering an opinion on a message board. I offered you mountains of data in FYI and just like ismael, you ignore data you don't like, so I'm not in the mood to poor over tons of past seasons to prove something that was offered partly as opinion anyway.

I reiterate, every year we have teams that win the offseason. Most of them don't win the Owl. That is indisputable as only 1 team actually wins it. Every year you have a similar number of teams who "lose" the offseason but grow organically and try to consistently field a top notch team. Most of the don't win an Owl. That is equally indisputable. So if you want to continue to nitpick minutiae feel free. But do me the favor of offering up something, anything to disprove my point instead of saying "do they really" and pretending you just owned me.

I'm actually very open to being corrected if you can offer me a reasonable argument to make me think my point is ill conceived. You haven't.

[Fritz]

I grew up during the Lombardi era... yes, championships are my standard.

Who lost the NFC Championship Game in 1975, '83, 06, etc... all anyone remembers or commemorates is Championships.

We've won 4 since 1967, that's the only stat that matters.

So the success of the organization, as a whole, as evidenced by championships, is the only statistic that matters?

Good observation, Comrade Wist.

[Joemailman]

I don't buy the idea that no one in Miami remembers Dan Marino. Or Brewers fans Yount and Molitor. Winning the Super Bowl or World Series is the ultimate achievement, but not the only one. Al Harris' Pick 6 to beat Seattle in the playoffs should just be forgotten because Packers didn't win the Super Bowl? Being a Packers fan for the last 10 years has been no better than being a Jets fan? Not from where I'm sitting.

[Zool]

I don't buy the idea that no one in Miami remembers Dan Marino. Or Brewers fans Yount and Molitor. Winning the Super Bowl or World Series is the ultimate achievement, but not the only one. Al Harris' Pick 6 to beat Seattle in the playoffs should just be forgotten because Packers didn't win the Super Bowl? Being a Packers fan for the last 10 years has been no better than being a Jets fan? Not from where I'm sitting.

Lions fans all nodding along.

[sharpe1027]

I made the claim and I stand by it. If you want to DISPROVE it the onus is on you to do the math and show me I'm flawed. I'm offering an opinion on a message board. I offered you mountains of data in FYI and just like ismael, you ignore data you don't like, so I'm not in the mood to poor over tons of past seasons to prove something that was offered partly as opinion anyway.

I reiterate, every year we have teams that win the offseason. Most of them don't win the Owl. That is indisputable as only 1 team actually wins it. Every year you have a similar number of teams who "lose" the offseason but grow organically and try to consistently field a top notch team. Most of the don't win an Owl. That is equally indisputable. So if you want to continue to nitpick minutiae feel free. But do me the favor of offering up something, anything to disprove my point instead of saying "do they really" and pretending you just owned me.

I'm actually very open to being corrected if you can offer me a reasonable argument to make me think my point is ill conceived. You haven't.

What an asshole.

[sharpe1027]

I made the claim and I stand by it. If you want to DISPROVE it the onus is on you to do the math and show me I'm flawed.

There is nothing to disprove. You provided no data. You made a claim based on something I can't measure because it relies upon a definition of a term you admitted you did not have a definition for.

[sharpe1027]

I offered you mountains of data in FYI and just like ismael, you ignore data you don't like, so I'm not in the mood to poor over tons of past seasons to prove something that was offered partly as opinion anyway.
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I am not sure exactly what you are talking about. I haven't been in FYI more than once and it was months ago, but whatever happened I'm sure it's very important to you since you still carry some sort of grudge.

[sharpe1027]

I reiterate, every year we have teams that win the offseason. Most of them don't win the Owl. That is indisputable as only 1 team actually wins it. Every year you have a similar number of teams who "lose" the offseason but grow organically and try to consistently field a top notch team. Most of the don't win an Owl. That is equally indisputable. So if you want to continue to nitpick minutiae feel free. But do me the favor of offering up something, anything to disprove my point instead of saying "do they really" and pretending you just owned me.

See, here's the thing. You've pointed out that both methods fail. That's great. No dispute there. That's a far cry from a conclusion that they have the same success rate.

[sharpe1027]

I made the claim and I stand by it. If you want to DISPROVE it the onus is on you to do the math and show me I'm flawed. I'm offering an opinion on a message board.

One last point, I'm not trying to disprove you. You might be right! I just have no idea how to determine whether your right or wrong.

[Bretsky]

Then you will be very disappointed almost every season in the salary cap era. The league is designed to STOP repeat winners.

Did anybody share that with Hoody Genius, Hoody Genius Jr, and the GOAT ? A well managed team with a franchise QB ......... hmmmmm

[RashanGary]

Did anybody share that with Hoody Genius, Hoody Genius Jr, and the GOAT ? A well managed team with a franchise QB ......... hmmmmm

There has been a lot of controversy to that throne. Lots of cheating and bad ref calls along the way.

[Bretsky]

There has been a lot of controversy to that throne. Lots of cheating and bad ref calls along the way.

all the sour grapes is because of jealousy. They are the dynasty we want to be and our time clock with the franchise QB.....moves...tick tock tick tock. the GooterLuvMachine is coming

[SudsMcBucky]

all the sour grapes is because of jealousy. They are the dynasty we want to be and our time clock with the franchise QB.....moves...tick tock tick tock. the GooterLuvMachine is coming

It also doesn't hurt when your franchise QB had long taken team friendly deals to allow them to keep an all-around solid roster for him.

[Fritz]

Did anybody share that with Hoody Genius, Hoody Genius Jr, and the GOAT ? A well managed team with a franchise QB ......... hmmmmm

So I wonder if, in 2012, or 2013, or 2015, or 2019, when the Patriots did not get to the Super Bowl, or in 2011 or 2017 when they lost the Super Bowl, Patriot fans groused about what a failure their teams were since the Patriots did not win the Super Bowl? If winning championships is the "only" statistic that matters, the Patriots were a shitty organization in all of those years.