Official Free Agency/Offseason/Non-Draft Thread

[Upnorth]

So the success of the organization, as a whole, as evidenced by championships, is the only statistic that matters?

Good observation, Comrade Wist.

Wist, I keep forgetting that one wr played from 88 to 94 then got a weird injury that ended their career. But never won the bowl so I keep forgetting who he was.
You remember his name?

[run pMc]

I think it depends on your goals. Most of these coaches and organizations have multiple goals, not just winning the Super Bowl (although that is the ULTIMATE goal).
Other important goals would be to establish and maintain a good leadership and culture, develop your young players into quality contributors if not starters, handle the cap responsibly, stay healthy, and win the division.
I'm sure there are plenty of others, but consider the goals of a bottom feeding team like JAX.

Urban Meyer will likely be considered having a successful season if he wins 4-5 games, and Trevor Lawrence & Co. show progress. He can say his goal is to win Championships - of course it is - but any sane person (and the Vegas bookies) will tell you that to expect a team to go from last to first is a highly unlikely scenario. Goals are relative and have to be realistic, else they're pipe dreams. Setting unrealistic goals can give you something nice to shoot for, but odds are slim you'll reach them and consistently setting them can be actually be demoralizing.

The 2011 and 2014 GB teams should have made the SB. Last year's team probably should have also. Matchups and momentum in the playoffs are important; TB was a bad matchup for GB (FWIW, LAR was a tough matchup also, but injuries to Donald, Kupp and Goff helped GB). I would say the way the season ended was disappointing, but I wouldn't call it a failure. Most owners wouldn't think twice about giving up their favorite yacht to make the NFCCG two years in row, nevermind 5 times in a decade.

[bobblehead]

all the sour grapes is because of jealousy. They are the dynasty we want to be and our time clock with the franchise QB.....moves...tick tock tick tock. the GooterLuvMachine is coming

Not really. I'm no more jealous of the Patriots than I am of a utility infielder in MLB. They both live very rich lives because of their sports talent. One wins super bowls the other lives the dream. Not jealous to point out the Patriots REALLY get the benefit of a lot of calls. Since I'm not a Bellichek hater or a Brady hater I think I'm pretty objective on this. They simply get away with more historically and specifically they get away with it in the biggest moments. No, I'm not going to rehash the data, so you can simply call me an asshole if you want to.

[Joemailman]

Wist, I keep forgetting that one wr played from 88 to 94 then got a weird injury that ended their career. But never won the bowl so I keep forgetting who he was.
You remember his name?

You know, there are supplements you can take that will Sharpen your memory.

[Zool]

You know, there are supplements you can take that will Sharpen your memory.

I usually have a Sterling memory for these types of things, but not this time?

[call_me_ishmael]

Amazing move by the Chiefs. I understand the economic realities on the game but the Chiefs have been up against the cap for two years now I believe and they still manage to improve the team with moves like this. Where are the Packers during all of this? I'm not for signing big names that are just a big name and injury prone (see JJ Watt), but there are some legitimate players out there that could put them over the top. Signing a CB like Fuller or an LB like Lavonte David could have fundamentally changed the team's likelihood of winning the big game this year.

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-acquire-lt-orlando-brown-in-trade-with-ravens?campaign=Twitter_atn

Why not take a shot at Mitchell Swartz? He'll be on a cheapo one year deal and if he works out he fundamentally changes the team's chances (I still draft a tackle in round one).

It frustrates me because there is a high probability they don't get as close as they were last year to the super bowl again in the next decade. Who knows if they'll even be competitive this year. But they should at least try to be.

[Joemailman]

Interesting move by the Ravens. That gives them picks 27 and 31. Hope this doesn't mean they'll be taking Teven Jenkins at 27.

[RashanGary]

Interesting move by the Ravens. That gives them picks 27 and 31. Hope this doesn't mean they'll be taking Teven Jenkins at 27.

Gute said OL and CB are the deepest positions. And if you look at OL its a lot of tackles. I'm sure the ravens feel good about the class. The Packers and Ravens are two teams who always draft good OL. And we just hired away their OL guru, Milt Hendrickson, two years ago so our OL prowess probably improved.

I have a good feeling we’re gonna find a tackle this year, and good one. I'm with partial in liking Liam Echenberg. Bob McGinn has him at the 5th tackle just after Jenkins. Eichenberg fits the Packers style of OL. I'm ok with either Jenkins or Eichenberg. I like Mayfield a lot in the second. McGinns scouts said he played better than he tested but dropped him because of.the athletic issues. I like our chances of moving up in the second for Mayfield too.

[RashanGary]

From Bob McGinn on Jalen Mayfield

“He’s got no lower body, which scares me,” said one scout. “I didn’t like the (pro day). Never saw him explode. I thought he played more athletic than what he tested. He quickly makes contact, which he has to do because of the short arms (32⅝ inches). I didn’t think he was consistent with his leverage. He more or less used his upper body to steer guys and wall ’em off rather than nasty-drive ’em out.”

Third-year junior from Grand Rapids, Mich., played sparingly off the bench at left tackle in 2018 before starting 15 games at right tackle in 2019 and ’20. Declared for the draft after his second game last season.

“The longer I kept watching him, I thought this guy can be a really good guard,” a second scout said. “Somebody will try to make him a tackle. I’m not sure somebody won’t try to make him a left tackle because he has enough athletic ability. He’s got great bend. He did the pulling and the movement stuff in space really (well). I thought he played pretty smart.”

[RashanGary]

What I liked about Mayfield was how natural and smart he was. He always had a good position and leverage and balance. He was only 245 his freshman year so bunker up 80 pounds in 2.5 years. I think he has more athletic ability because he's still filling out his frame and turning some of that quick gained bad weight into good weight. I have a really good feeling that Jalen Mayfield is gonna be a long time rock-solid tackle and a steal in the second round. He needs one more year to get his body right so there is some projecting there but he could turn out to be as good as the top 2 guys.

[Bretsky]

So I wonder if, in 2012, or 2013, or 2015, or 2019, when the Patriots did not get to the Super Bowl, or in 2011 or 2017 when they lost the Super Bowl, Patriot fans groused about what a failure their teams were since the Patriots did not win the Super Bowl? If winning championships is the "only" statistic that matters, the Patriots were a shitty organization in all of those years.

They failed to win the title's those years.

But their batting percentage has been pretty good over the last 10 years. Kudos to the Pats

[Bretsky]

Not really. I'm no more jealous of the Patriots than I am of a utility infielder in MLB. They both live very rich lives because of their sports talent. One wins super bowls the other lives the dream. Not jealous to point out the Patriots REALLY get the benefit of a lot of calls. Since I'm not a Bellichek hater or a Brady hater I think I'm pretty objective on this. They simply get away with more historically and specifically they get away with it in the biggest moments. No, I'm not going to rehash the data, so you can simply call me an asshole if you want to.

I don't call others assholes in forums.....well...unless I call myself one

I would agree that the Pats get some calls and the officials have treated them way too good

As a fan I am undoubtedly jealous and would love to take all the favoritism they got and the titles and transfer then to GB

[Bretsky]

Interesting move by the Ravens. That gives them picks 27 and 31. Hope this doesn't mean they'll be taking Teven Jenkins at 27.

In my last ten years of watching the draft is really seems like the Ravens take the guy I want.....backup award would go to the Pittsburg Steelers.

[Bretsky]

Gute said OL and CB are the deepest positions. And if you look at OL its a lot of tackles. I'm sure the ravens feel good about the class. The Packers and Ravens are two teams who always draft good OL. And we just hired away their OL guru, Milt Hendrickson, two years ago so our OL prowess probably improved.

I have a good feeling we’re gonna find a tackle this year, and good one. I'm with partial in liking Liam Echenberg. Bob McGinn has him at the 5th tackle just after Jenkins. Eichenberg fits the Packers style of OL. I'm ok with either Jenkins or Eichenberg. I like Mayfield a lot in the second. McGinns scouts said he played better than he tested but dropped him because of.the athletic issues. I like our chances of moving up in the second for Mayfield too.

I REALLY think this is the year to stay put in round one and TED THOMPSON pick round one and then use the 4th to move up in round two

[Bretsky]

From Bob McGinn on Jalen Mayfield

“He’s got no lower body, which scares me,” said one scout. “I didn’t like the (pro day). Never saw him explode. I thought he played more athletic than what he tested. He quickly makes contact, which he has to do because of the short arms (32⅝ inches). I didn’t think he was consistent with his leverage. He more or less used his upper body to steer guys and wall ’em off rather than nasty-drive ’em out.”

Third-year junior from Grand Rapids, Mich., played sparingly off the bench at left tackle in 2018 before starting 15 games at right tackle in 2019 and ’20. Declared for the draft after his second game last season.

“The longer I kept watching him, I thought this guy can be a really good guard,” a second scout said. “Somebody will try to make him a tackle. I’m not sure somebody won’t try to make him a left tackle because he has enough athletic ability. He’s got great bend. He did the pulling and the movement stuff in space really (well). I thought he played pretty smart.”

Where are you finding the McGinn stuff ? In the Athletic or on his site ?

I know everybody in here hated the Bobber

I found him the best writer on the Green Bay Packers I've ever followed, hands down. And his draft stuff was far superior to anything I saw on the NET

I'm catching a few fun podcasts though.

One dude was discussings Gutebags draft day bias and noted some similar to Teds......and then he systematically took about 8 different analysts and mixed it with the measurables Gute love and found about 112 draftable players for Green Bay.

About 20 with 1st round grades.....I think 24 for 2nd round grades......but only about 12 with 4th round grades. and a bunch with 5th to 7th round grades

He really thought odds are strong Gute trades one or both based on his research