AR wants out?!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don't have any animosity towards Rodgers after his press conference and then watching him work with Love in training camp. Bottom line: he wants to retire as a Packer. My only problem is that he seems to assume he has no chance of doing that with the drafting of Love. However, if he wins Super Bowls and/or continues to play at MVP level, the Packers aren't going to move on from him (see Brady and Jimmy G in New England). Brady didn't raise a stink. He just continued to be a better QB than Jimmy G, and the Patriots moved Jimmy G. That could happen here. Who knows? Maybe he knows Love has a great future and sees the writing on the wall.

Actually, Belichick loved Garoppolo; didn’t want to trade the Greek Reek. Brady didn’t raise a stink publicly, but he went to the owner and was like, it’s either me or Garoppolo. Owner forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo. In essence, Brady pretty much got rid of his replacement.

Source? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/pag...power-struggle

Belichick met with Kraft to discuss the quarterback situation. According to staffers, the meeting ran long, lasting half the day and pushing back Belichick's other meetings. The office was buzzing. The meeting ended with a clear mandate to Belichick: trade Garoppolo because he would not be in the team's long-term plans, and then, once again, find the best quarterback in the draft and develop him. Belichick was furious and demoralized, according to friends. But in the end, he did what he asks of his players and coaches: He did his job.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Like I said, after carrying the Packers for so fucking long on his back, Rodgers has earned the right to play GM.

Without the Great Arm of Butte, the Pack ain’t any different from the J-Ville Jaguars.

[King Friday]

I don't have any animosity towards Rodgers after his press conference and then watching him work with Love in training camp. Bottom line: he wants to retire as a Packer. My only problem is that he seems to assume he has no chance of doing that with the drafting of Love. However, if he wins Super Bowls and/or continues to play at MVP level, the Packers aren't going to move on from him (see Brady and Jimmy G in New England). Brady didn't raise a stink. He just continued to be a better QB than Jimmy G, and the Patriots moved Jimmy G. That could happen here. Who knows? Maybe he knows Love has a great future and sees the writing on the wall.

Brady absolutely raised a stink, just not publicly. The only reason Jimmy G was moved would've resulted from Brady. Belichick wanted to retain Jimmy G, but Brady went over his head to Kraft and got the kid shipped out.

Rodgers doesn't have an owner to go to. Gute and Murphy are linked in lockstep. Thus, we are here.

The reason Brady didn't finish in NE was a direct result of his displeasure with Belichick regarding his eventual replacement. Tom wanted to stick it to Belichick.

[texaspackerbacker]

TPB, what is he supposed to say ? Especially with all the "media pukes" waiting to pounce on any thing he says ?

Ideally, he would say "we are pulling out all stops to retain Aaron Rodgers for as long as he wants to play in the NFL", not "it's always a year to year thing. we'll see what happens", etc. Fuck that, and fuck Gutekunst.

[texaspackerbacker]

Like I said, after carrying the Packers for so fucking long on his back, Rodgers has earned the right to play GM.

Without the Great Arm of Butte, the Pack ain’t any different from the J-Ville Jaguars.

+ 1 - maybe not quite as bad as the Jags, but close. Just look how the bottom fell out for the Patriots when Brady left, and arguably Rodgers means more to Green Bay than Brady did to N.E.

[Jaire]

+ 1 - maybe not quite as bad as the Jags, but close. Just look how the bottom fell out for the Patriots when Brady left, and arguably Rodgers means more to Green Bay than Brady did to N.E.

New England needed a rebuild. And Cam going down hurt them. They are now reloaded with a healthy Cam and the future (good reports on the rook).

New Orleans should be a disaster this year. They kicked that can down the road for four years. We are on year two, but it is not nearly as bad as it looks. The rebuild in GB is done really, and done early. Cap probs are because of covid. The new cap sould be way above 210 next year, certainly by 2023 with the new media deal money. Teams are going over the cap because it's not real imo.


But the main thing is that AR ought to retire in GB. Winning a Superbowl may be the cure for the rifts. Cuz Love is not AR (and likely never will be). There will be a drop off but nothing like the Jags imo.

[Harlan Huckleby]

+ 1 - maybe not quite as bad as the Jags, but close. Just look how the bottom fell out for the Patriots when Brady left, and arguably Rodgers means more to Green Bay than Brady did to N.E.

The transition was going to come pretty soon regardless of what Packer management did.

We agree that best case was to keep AR happy for 3 more seasons. I'm not sure that was possible. Arod is so idealistic. He kept framing his request as "more information to do my job better." But he clearly wanted a major voice at the management table. Most GMs would rather dump Rodgers than have to clear decisions on veteran cuts with him.

[Bossman641]

Rodgers should stick to playing QB and leave GM for the front office. The big misses were Hayward and Hyde, with Peppers and Woodson defensible from either side. All others were correct to move on from the players. As far as keeping Jordy over signing Jimmy Graham, wasn't Rodgers involved in recruiting Graham in the first place?

One other thing....for all this talk about doing right by veterans, somebody please tell me a team who does it "the right way". The Pats are notorious for getting rid of veterans. The Chargers had no problem moving Rivers. The Saints are the only team I can think of and they're in salary hell.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The Saints are the only team I can take think of and they're in salary hell.

I think Brees played a year too long, maybe two. I haven't looked at stats, just going by how he looked when I caught their games.

[call_me_ishmael]

Rodgers should stick to playing QB and leave GM for the front office. The big misses were Hayward and Hyde, with Peppers and Woodson defensible from either side. All others were correct to move on from the players. As far as keeping Jordy over signing Jimmy Graham, wasn't Rodgers involved in recruiting Graham in the first place?

One other thing....for all this talk about doing right by veterans, somebody please tell me a team who does it "the right way". The Pats are notorious for getting rid of veterans. The Chargers had no problem moving Rivers. The Saints are the only team I can think of and they're in salary hell.

The only reason this is a talking point IMO is because you cannot come outright and say "you're moving from ME is a problem" without sounding like a dick.

But yeah, unquestionably they have screwed up a few of these and maybe should roll the dice with their own guys more. I know I would. Dance with the girl you brought.

[Bossman641]

The only reason this is a talking point IMO is because you cannot come outright and say "you're moving from ME is a problem" without sounding like a dick.

But yeah, unquestionably they have screwed up a few of these and maybe should roll the dice with their own guys more. I know I would. Dance with the girl you brought.

And then we'd be lamenting spending massive bucks on tj lang only to have him retire 1.5 yr later. You hit some, you miss some. It's hard to look at Rodgers list of players and agree with him. I think one of the reporters even brought this up to Rodgers during the conference and his reply was something along the lines of "they would have done better with me".

[Teamcheez1]

Who are the 12 players the Packers let go that co-GM Aaron Rodgers had an issue with?

[Bossman641]

Who are the 12 players the Packers let go that co-GM Aaron Rodgers had an issue with?

Cobb, Clay, Jordy, Woodson, James Jones, Kuhn, Hayward, Hyde, Peppers, Bulaga, Lang, Goode

[Harlan Huckleby]

And then we'd be lamenting spending massive bucks on tj lang only to have him retire 1.5 yr later. You hit some, you miss some. It's hard to look at Rodgers list of players and agree with him. I think one of the reporters even brought this up to Rodgers during the conference and his reply was something along the lines of "they would have done better with me".

That was Tom Silverstein who asked the hard question. I think Rodgers was saying that there are a lot of factors that make a player successful, and those guys were a proven fit for GB chemistry.

I agree with your bottom line, AR's expectations are unrealistic. John Elway got to be a GM after he retired as a player, not before.

[bobblehead]

The only reason this is a talking point IMO is because you cannot come outright and say "you're moving from ME is a problem" without sounding like a dick.

But yeah, unquestionably they have screwed up a few of these and maybe should roll the dice with their own guys more. I know I would. Dance with the girl you brought.

But I've already HAD the girl I brought. Can't a brother score some strange now and again?

Anyway, I can critique Gutes for some things. And TT dropped the ball on hyde and Tretter (who wasn't on "the list"). But I agree, this was all a great big passive aggressive play because they drafted Love and he can't really say that now, can he.