More Banjo - End of an Era

[Harlan Huckleby]

BTW, I don't think Rodger's problem is reading defenses. That just seems unlikely. I think it's his legs. In his prime, AR erred on the side of holding the ball too long. Most of the time it paid off. Now that he is not so nimble or swift footed he can't buy extra time, and he is unloading the ball a bit sooner. He doesn't have as much time to read the field. He's not as brave - for good reason.

[Fosco33]

Dropped passes, personal fouls, dumb plays, interception and fumble really killed us. Didn’t deserve to win…

Masons long FGA
Not challenged the potential INT
Douglas making a fg 15 yards closer
Quay… wth
-2 in turnover margins

I would’ve been fine going to SF w/ no expectations of winning and seeing if you could shock them. Now we’re left with what to do’s…

Barry, Bahk, Mason are gone
I’m guessing Cobb and Rodgers are a package deal - part of me thinks they’ll retire but I’d be fine w/ trading.

[Teamcheez1]

I think this humorous take on Rodgers sums up some of my feelings about him.

https://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-ended-the-packers-season-interception-1849964853

[call_me_ishmael]

So that last INT from Rodgers is due to MLF “turtle” syndrome? MLF deserves criticism for this year, but clearly more of the blame for turtle time has to rest on 12. When was the last time he came up big in a critical game? Rodgers only wants to run the offense his way and it showed heavily this season. Looked shockingly similar to Favre’s final year in Green Bay.

The INT isn't but the team in general just did not look ready to play. Where was the innovation on offense? What about defense? This was a must-win game at home in the cold and they couldn't stop or scheme there way out against the pass rush.

Favre's final year in GB was outstanding aside from the last game. Rodgers kind of looked meh all year IMO. I think Rodgers really didn't have much as far as receivers and folks overrate Doubs and Watson this year. Lazard is a weird case because I don't think he's a difference maker but he is valuable to this team with his blocking.

[Deputy Nutz]

Rodgers is terrible against Cover 2. Can't read the safety. Both his INTS(one called back on penalty) was because he didn't pick up the safety.

Rodgers's contract was guaranteed. his cap hit will be the same whether he plays or not in 2023 which is like 53 million. OUCH!!!

Lion's pass rush was a problem all night and the Packers couldn't adapt their passing game because the Lions really didn't bring more than 4 or 5 all night.

Lions beat the Packers up front, Packers couldn't rely on running the ball when they needed less than 3 yards for a TD or a first down. Lions played with nothing to lose, they were more dangerous because they didn't care if they lost, they had nothing to lose and pulled out all the stops. Going 9-8 was damn successful season for them.

Also undisciplined bullshit severely cost the Packers a playoff berth. Douglas and Walker penalties directly led to points that the Packers could not afford to give up. Do I blame MLF? It's his team and those are the types of things he has to answer for.

[ThunderDan]

NFC East was the worst division last season. All 4 teams almost made the playoffs this year. Point being, it ain’t gonna be easy.

never mind.

[run pMc]

When a team plays undisciplined, that's a coaching issue IMO. They've played that way for large parts of the season.

Kirby Joseph must have an invisibility cloak or something, that dude has 3 picks on Rodgers this year. For some corners, that's a good career vs. Rodgers.

Rodgers is bad vs. Cover 2. That's not new. Defenses have shifted to more of it this year, that's allegedly at least part of why scoring was down around the league. Every team's playbook has Cover-2 beaters. Tonyan can't run the seam well still, which is a problem but not the only way to beat Cover 2. You'd think by now Rodgers would adjust his game to play against it, but I think he's stubborn to adapt his game, period. He still has elements of McCarthy-offense and hero ball in his game. I don't know if he'll be back. I do know that he had a bad year (for him) and that's both by the eye test and looking at the stats. Aside from Year 2 leaps from Watson-Doubs-Toure and health on the OL, I'm not sure there's much else to point to as reasons he might play better next season. The thumb, rib, etc. bothered him this year...but even when healthier he wasn't playing great. He's still an above average QB, but he's not elite.

Did they deserve to win?

They had turnovers that were very costly. The bad 4th down call early, the fumble, and the late interception. Lots of questions for this team in the offseason.

[KYPack]

Good to see the old Deputy back on the site...

This mornings PFT had a piece on Rodger's contract that was even worse than we've been talking about. The hit for 23 for Rodgers is just shy of 60 million fully guaranteed. I've also seen reports that Love's contract for the upcoming 5th year is 20 million. (Checked Spotrac, Love is just North of 4 mill for '23) That equates to bye bye Bahk. Out salary structure can't support that many 20 million dollar deals.

Somebody fill me in on what in the hell Douglas was doing on that kick attempt. I've never seen the wing on a kick block team go in and fool with the snapper. Also, didn't the refs call a penalty on the LIons while that play was going on?

We had two substitutions for starters in the game for performance issues. Ford was subbed by Savage going back to his ole spot after Ford revealed himself to being slow as an oar barge on Lake Michigan. Also Tom was hustled in for Nijman after Hutchinson went ape shit. We need to move Nijman back to LT and let Tom start at RT.

Quay Walker wins the Lunkhead of the Year award for twice being ejected for hitting sideline personnel. Can he really be that lame?

At least the ballclub is being spared the indignity of another ass whoopin in SF at the hands of the Whiners.

God, this is a bad feeling.

[NewsBruin]

I hoped to trade Rodgers for picks and players, but I honestly enjoyed seeing him sail deep shots all throughout this game. He makes those long throws seem effortless. I really hope that his midseason inaccuracy was due to his thumb and perhaps his side.

Another offseason of reflection and more psychoactive drugs won't make him a better teammate, but I think he should still have good release, range, and accuracy for a few more seasons. I'm sure his trade value and TV value have dropped off a cliff since last season. I hate for Rodgers to have no good options for 2023, but we need to see what we can get for him.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, the haters are riding high now. APB, same as you, I pretty much consider this shitty NFL season over and done with too. The one exception would be if my second favorite team, the Cowboys, go anywhere in the playoffs, and based on how they stunk it up yesterday, chances of that are looking grim. McCarthy brought back a lot of bad Packer memories - over and over and over again, wasting first and second down just running it into the line and putting pressure on the QB to bail things out. Yesterday at least, Dak failed miserably at that scenario that Rodgers had to live with for over a decade.

These dumbasses wanting to "move on" need to be careful what they wish for. Last night we saw an overall mediocre Lions team that actually had a real O Line and a fairly decent D Line too completely outclass the Packers on the line of scrimmage.

Yes, Barry is hopefully gone - but I wouldn't bet the house on that. Yes, Crosby too, although if he retires, I hope they keep him on speed dial - maybe even make him an assistant coach, in case the new guy gets hurt or just gets in a prolonged slump. Hell no, don't get rid of Aaron Jones. I suspect he's got way more than just a couple more good years left, and he is the kind of RB we/any team needs. Dillon, on the other hand, is kinda the "sacred cow" of RBs - overrated. He is not even as good as Jamal Williams, much less Aaron Jones. I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have Patrick Taylor playing than Dillon. As I said, the haters got some fuel with the way Rodgers played last night and most of the season, but I fully expect him to be back next season (and well beyond that) and when healed up, to be back to his old GOATish self.

[Joemailman]

Can't finish.

[red]

yeah, thats what i asked in the gDT, when was the last time he had a really good game in the playoffs or late in the season when we needed it?

[Deputy Nutz]

Usually QBs don't play well in their last game of the season because the team usually loses. It's a QB league. Now I won't defend Rodgers play, Its borderline average to awful at times. I struggle to see him take over games, put the team on his shoulders, and pull out wins during the 2023 season. He played the game soft this season and we can only ponder if it was the early season injuries, or if he is just trying to protect himself and his job. The Packers are not in a financial position to let him go or to move on from Rodgers, and I don't think you would really want to. Unfortunately I don't think Rodgers has the off season work ethic of a Tom Brady which for someone owed close to 60 million is really too bad for the Packers. I don't see him getting a whole lot better from the 2023 season if he continues to play,

[NewsBruin]

I did enjoy De'Andre's failed hurdle attempt.

Ah, Herr we go: https://twitter.com/Someone20241575/...411Caq0YW0Fe5A

[bobblehead]

i think we have a real nice start with watson and doubs, and lazard is fine as a #3 or 4

we have always needed a real pass catching TE

and then we need a QB who will throw to the guys when they're open

I hate to talk free agency when we are strapped up against the cap, but Mike Gesicki of Miami is a very athletic slot type TE that was ascending until the new coaching staff decided he should be an inline blocker. Given the horrible season he just put up he might come for a very reasonable price.