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  • #76
    Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
    https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/g...ctive-defenses

    Absolutely fantastic article. Read it closely and understand why we perceive our defenses soft. It also plays into why we eat passive defenses alive.
    I wholeheartedly agree with this writer's perspective. I think he also gives some good examples in support of his argument.

    While I hope Gannon does not employ a "passive" defense, it sounds to me like that's been his tendency. And as much as sportscasters talk about Love eating up blitzing teams, it seems to me he has had the most trouble with blitzing teams - the Vikings last year, and Allen's second-half blitzes in the playoff game this year as two examples.

    I often thought that Halfley became more passive because he didn't have to blitz or change up the rushers much with Parsons, and as a result the defense became predictable. I kept wondering what it would be like if Halfley has blitzed more with Parsons in the mix - seems like that would've been a nightmare for opposing offenses, even with Green Bay's weak outside corners.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Fritz View Post
      I wholeheartedly agree with this writer's perspective. I think he also gives some good examples in support of his argument.

      While I hope Gannon does not employ a "passive" defense, it sounds to me like that's been his tendency. And as much as sportscasters talk about Love eating up blitzing teams, it seems to me he has had the most trouble with blitzing teams - the Vikings last year, and Allen's second-half blitzes in the playoff game this year as two examples.

      I often thought that Halfley became more passive because he didn't have to blitz or change up the rushers much with Parsons, and as a result the defense became predictable. I kept wondering what it would be like if Halfley has blitzed more with Parsons in the mix - seems like that would've been a nightmare for opposing offenses, even with Green Bay's weak outside corners.
      It might be partly true that it's more obvious to viewers that teams are blitzing if the blitzes aren't getting picked up.
      I can't run no more
      With that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places
      Say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
      A thundercloud
      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Fritz View Post
        I wholeheartedly agree with this writer's perspective. I think he also gives some good examples in support of his argument.

        While I hope Gannon does not employ a "passive" defense, it sounds to me like that's been his tendency. And as much as sportscasters talk about Love eating up blitzing teams, it seems to me he has had the most trouble with blitzing teams - the Vikings last year, and Allen's second-half blitzes in the playoff game this year as two examples.

        I often thought that Halfley became more passive because he didn't have to blitz or change up the rushers much with Parsons, and as a result the defense became predictable. I kept wondering what it would be like if Halfley has blitzed more with Parsons in the mix - seems like that would've been a nightmare for opposing offenses, even with Green Bay's weak outside corners.
        Its way too easy to take this passive/aggressive paradigm and use it to explain everything. Hafley didn't change all that much season over season. He wanted his pass rush to get home with 4 in both seasons. In both seasons, because of the Packers natural allergy to finding pass rushers, they couldn't sustain it. They were better at it in Season 2 with Parsons, but that was not the entire answer as teams had fully adjusted to the coverages.

        When Parsons got hurt they had to pressure and that made their coverage worse. In Season 1 Hafley didn't give offenses as clean a look as he had to ramp up pressure and give unusual looks after the first half of the season as the pass rush wasn't getthig home.

        What would cure these ills is to find more talent and use it wisely, passive or aggressive.

        I am leaning toward Bobble's thoughts on this, the Packers collapse in the 2nd half of so many games seems to be talent related.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
          I wholeheartedly agree with this writer's perspective. I think he also gives some good examples in support of his argument.

          While I hope Gannon does not employ a "passive" defense, it sounds to me like that's been his tendency. And as much as sportscasters talk about Love eating up blitzing teams, it seems to me he has had the most trouble with blitzing teams - the Vikings last year, and Allen's second-half blitzes in the playoff game this year as two examples.

          I often thought that Halfley became more passive because he didn't have to blitz or change up the rushers much with Parsons, and as a result the defense became predictable. I kept wondering what it would be like if Halfley has blitzed more with Parsons in the mix - seems like that would've been a nightmare for opposing offenses, even with Green Bay's weak outside corners.
          A few points. Good QBs who make great hot reads (Rodgers, Rivers) do eat up blitzing teams. If you are facing such a QB its vital to know what the hot read will be and be sure to minimize YAC. The other point is that its still effective because you don't allow plays to develop. The final point on Love beating the blitz is simple. When the OL is incredible and picks it up, you get 2 or even 3 reads against thin coverage. You should eat it up. However if you only have one second, it gets a lot tougher, so he OL is the key to destroying the blitz vs. managing the blitz. We need more/better OL and better 3rd down situations so teams CAN'T blitz.

          Parsons gets held trying to bend the edge and they don't call it. That screams "don't use him that way". And I think the entire defense will benefit if they stop using him that way.
          The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
            It might be partly true that it's more obvious to viewers that teams are blitzing if the blitzes aren't getting picked up.
            That is so, but I'm a casual fan and when the ball is snapped on obvious passing downs I'm watching to see who's coming - or more accurately, how many and from where.
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • #81
              Matt Zenitz
              @mzenitz

              The #Packers are expected to hire #49ers defensive backs coach Daniel Bullocks, sources tell @CBSSports

              The former Nebraska and NFL defensive back worked for San Francisco the last nine seasons. Interviewed for the 49ers defensive coordinator job in 2024.

              Kyle Shanahan hired Bullocks as a member of his first coaching staff in San Francisco back in 2017 and Bullocks has held a number of different roles since, most recently serving as defensive backs coach and defensive passing game coordinator for the last three seasons.

              Green Bay saw their own previous defensive passing game coordinator leave in recent days, as Derrick Ansley moved on to a similar role with the Dallas Cowboys. However, the Packers reportedly already have another individual coming on board who will hold those titles: Bobby Babich, the former Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator. This raises the question of what role and specific title Bullocks will have in Green Bay.

              One possibility is that the Packers could split up responsibilities in the secondary by position. Bullocks was the 49ers’ safeties coach from 2019 to 2022 before taking on his most recent title, and that was also his position during his playing career in the 2000s. That suggests that he could end up focusing on that position group while Babich works more closely with the cornerbacks.
              I can't run no more
              With that lawless crowd
              While the killers in high places
              Say their prayers out loud
              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
              A thundercloud
              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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              • #82
                Jordan Schultz
                @Schultz_Report

                The #Packers are parting ways with WRs coach Ryan Mahaffey and plan to hire Penn State WRs coach Noah Pauley as his replacement, per sources.

                Pauley spent the past three years as Matt Campbell’s WRs coach at Iowa State, working with Jayden Higgins, Jaylin Noel, and others, then followed Campbell to Penn State to take the same role. He has been on the radar of NFL teams for over a year - and now joins Matt LaFleur’s staff.

                Mahaffey is going with Sean Mannion to Philly.
                I can't run no more
                With that lawless crowd
                While the killers in high places
                Say their prayers out loud
                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                A thundercloud
                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                • #83
                  Best news this off-season. Receivers have been running the wrong routes or running the right routes poorly the last two years. If he coaches WR at Philly, their offense will be worse next season.

                  Time to change my signature.
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                  • #84
                    I agree with ya, Mad Scientist. Mahaffey can Ma-go to Philly. Whoever the new WR coach is, the likelihood is that he can only do better than Mahaffey did.

                    I would like the Daniel Bullocks hire better if it was spelled with an "o" instead of a "u."
                    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                    KYPack

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                    • #85
                      Acme Packers and Justus M have a story about a quote Hafley gave a Miami outlet and it said both La Fleur and Hafley wanted Duggan to be with their staffs.

                      But La Fleur couldn't have prevented it if Hafley made Duggan a DC. Even a contract year left doesn't override the promotion to coordinator.

                      I don't know why he lead with this story except that there is a quote by Hafley about LaFleur and Duggan. The others he mentioned, Ansley, Mahaffey and Downard, could have be retained.

                      I don't think MiLF was going to stand in the way of Gannon building his own staff, so the only changes that are notable to me are Mannion and Mahaffey getting replaced.

                      Matt LaFleur wanted to keep Sean Duggan before he left for Miami
                      https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/green-bay-packers-coaching-staff/79205/matt-lafleur-wanted-to-keep-sean-duggan-before-he-left-for-miami
                      Apparently, the Green Bay Packers wanted to retain Sean Duggan before he was hired to be Miami’s DC.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #86
                        Pete Nakos
                        @PeteNakos

                        Vanderbilt pass rush specialist Will Smart is being hired by the Green Bay Packers, sources tell @On3.

                        Former Wake Forest defensive lineman.
                        I can't run no more
                        With that lawless crowd
                        While the killers in high places
                        Say their prayers out loud
                        But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                        A thundercloud
                        They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                        • #87
                          Haven't the Packers hired another Vandy or assistant or two the past few years? Is there some kind of pipeline between the mighty Commodores of Vandy and their storied program and the Green Bay Packers?

                          Seems like a weird place to be getting multiple assistants.
                          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                          KYPack

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                            Haven't the Packers hired another Vandy or assistant or two the past few years? Is there some kind of pipeline between the mighty Commodores of Vandy and their storied program and the Green Bay Packers?

                            Seems like a weird place to be getting multiple assistants.
                            One of the failed ST coaches was had a Vanderbilt tie-in I think. Shawn Mennenga.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                              One of the failed ST coaches was had a Vanderbilt tie-in I think. Shawn Mennenga.
                              Who is the last good special team coach we had, stat wise ? NAME anybody ?

                              Do we have to go back to when Desmond Howard was with us ? hmmm
                              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                                Who is the last good special team coach we had, stat wise ? NAME anybody ?

                                Do we have to go back to when Desmond Howard was with us ? hmmm
                                In 2015 PFF had them 14th according to Nathan Marzion. Shawn Slocum was your coordinator. Gosselin had them 17th.

                                2011, 2012 were the golden years in the teens. McCarthy and Slocum. 13th, 12th. 2013 was 19th. Gosselin rankings only.

                                2007 they were seventh! McCarthy and Mike Stock. Gosselin rankings.

                                2003 and 2004 they were 8th and 9th respectively. John Bonamego. Gosselin rankings.
                                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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