Packers To Hire Jonathan Gannon As DC

[pbmax]

I do not understand the Raheem Morris love as a DC. He’s less distinguished than Gannon. At one time he looked to be on the rise, but hasn’t put much together since.

[Bretsky]

What said that?

I ran across references in articles to this in between my profanity today.

But they are referencing him as a head coach in Arizona.

I'd have preferred the DC in Dallas over this. And several others.

You are RIGHT in that this is clearly the Flower's hire. His hires haven't exactly killed it so it's understandable why the move could be questioned.

I wonder if his Ass was still chapped from Jimmy turning the job down years ago. I didn't think that was the case, but who knows.

[Bretsky]

I do not understand the Raheem Morris love as a DC. He’s less distinguished than Gannon. At one time he looked to be on the rise, but hasn’t put much together since.

I think Morris has worked well with the talent he had. He was hired twice as a head coach after being a DC.

On the brighter side, after losing Haffley, this guy was an absolutely disaster as a HC. Nobody's hiring him anytime soon so either he'll be good, OR

the Flower will keep him 1-2 years longer than he should after he sucks.

[pbmax]

He’s been trained in good defenses and is not tied to putting square pegs in round holes. He’s worked with excellent DC. I’d feel a lot different in 2023 than now. Hopefully it’s just the Cardinals stink on him.

I will say this, the Packers aren’t ready to move to a 3-4 on the interior. Almost can’t imagine a conversion without a #1 pick.

[pbmax]

I think Morris has worked well with the talent he had. He was hired twice as a head coach after being a DC.

On the brighter side, after losing Haffley, this guy was an absolutely disaster as a HC. Nobody's hiring him anytime soon so either he'll be good, OR

the Flower will keep him 1-2 years longer than he should after he sucks.

But that also makes the case for Gannon. With quality personnel produced superior results. With inferior personnel got poor results. Was good enough to get hired as HC off his DC work. Not sure Morris has had a D as good as Gannon did for 2 years.

Just the lack of excitement of a retread. If he proves to be a DC first guy, this looks better later. Maybe not as much of a reach as Hafley? I’m reaching here.

[Bretsky]

He’s been trained in good defenses and is not tied to putting square pegs in round holes. He’s worked with excellent DC. I’d feel a lot different in 2023 than now. Hopefully it’s just the Cardinals stink on him.

I will say this, the Packers aren’t ready to move to a 3-4 on the interior. Almost can’t imagine a conversion without a #1 pick.

Yes, I get all of this logic, although you would have to acknowledge Morris track record is longer than Rich Gannon

This is supposed to be a very deep draft at CB. I would think 2 of our first three picks need to go there.

[call_me_ishmael]

I ran across references in articles to this in between my profanity today.

But they are referencing him as a head coach in Arizona.

I'd have preferred the DC in Dallas over this. And several others.

You are RIGHT in that this is clearly the Flower's hire. His hires haven't exactly killed it so it's understandable why the move could be questioned.

I wonder if his Ass was still chapped from Jimmy turning the job down years ago. I didn't think that was the case, but who knows.

It makes no sense. Surely they have been in communication in some form, either via agents or tampering. They all do it. I have to wonder if it was a contract thing. Maybe we couldn’t pay what he wanted? Maybe he wants another job? I just think it’d be weird to rather go to NY for the Giants than Wisconsin when your kids freaking live in Wisconsin. So odd. Surely more will come out in time.

[pbmax]

It makes no sense. Surely they have been in communication in some form, either via agents or tampering. They all do it. I have to wonder if it was a contract thing. Maybe we couldn’t pay what he wanted? Maybe he wants another job? I just think it’d be weird to rather go to NY for the Giants than Wisconsin when your kids freaking live in Wisconsin. So odd. Surely more will come out in time.

Leonard has had two interviews. One with the Cowboys and one with the Jets.

Cowboys passed him.

Cardinals are interviewing Vance Joseph as Head Coach, so Jim could have a head on the Denver DC job.

[Fritz]

But that also makes the case for Gannon. With quality personnel produced superior results. With inferior personnel got poor results. Was good enough to get hired as HC off his DC work. Not sure Morris has had a D as good as Gannon did for 2 years.

Just the lack of excitement of a retread. If he proves to be a DC first guy, this looks better later. Maybe not as much of a reach as Hafley? I’m reaching here.

A coach is only ever as good as his players. That's just the way it is. Now, a good coach can make players better, though teaching them the skills or through teaching them how to play as a unit.

My one hope that I'm holding on to is that this guy is not wedded to a system, but molds his system around the players' strengths. But I don't know if Guter has assembled a defense that has certain skill traits, or if they're all good at different things - if some corners are good at man, some at zone. And so on.

It doesn't seem inspiring, but if he does design a defense based on what the players do well, that's a start. No square pegs in round holes. The Flower also seems to like that this guy was a HC. Is The Flower so uninterested in the defensive side of the ball that he wants a guy to run the shop completely on that side?

Can he get them to play fast and hard and swarm to the ball? I don't know enough to know. I do hope PB is wrong and The Flower didn't hire him just because the AZ defense gave GB fits. If the guy's only great strength is that he hides or disguises his defense well, how long will that work?

Hell, guess we just have to wait and see. But I do hope he brings in some good solid defensive assistants to help teach these guys the skills.

[Joemailman]

Elisha Twerski
@ElishaTwerski

Seeing a lot of takes that Jonathan Gannon’s success in Philly was due to a loaded defense. That doesn't seem to align with reality.

Under Gannon:
• Haason Reddick had the best season of his career.
• Brandon Graham racked up a career-high in sacks at age 34.
• Josh Sweat had the two best seasons of his career.
• T.J. Edwards had the best season of his career (PFF).
• Darius Slay had the best season of his career (PFF).
• Milton Williams had the best season of his career (PFF).
• C.J. Gardner-Johnson posted a career-high in picks in just 12 games.
• Avonte Maddox had two of his three best seasons (PFF).
• James Bradberry finished 2nd Team All-Pro, the only AP honor of his career.

I don't blame Packer fans for being skeptical (I have my doubts, too), but to me, that looks like someone who got the most out of his players as a DC.

[bobblehead]

The least inspired choice I can think of beside Al Harris on the list.



Just disappointing.

This sums it up for me. If I wanted another 7 seed Gannon would have been my hire for sure. 7 seed, one and done is becoming our M.O. I wanted to keep MiLF, but I've changed my mind and I'm generally the optimist. This team is built for stagnation with the only path to winning it all taking a perfect hurricane of events. Good health all year, a stellar draft that somehow nets you a couple impact players, internal improvement across the board. Short of all of those things occurring I don't see a big winning team.

[bobblehead]

It makes no sense. Surely they have been in communication in some form, either via agents or tampering. They all do it. I have to wonder if it was a contract thing. Maybe we couldn’t pay what he wanted? Maybe he wants another job? I just think it’d be weird to rather go to NY for the Giants than Wisconsin when your kids freaking live in Wisconsin. So odd. Surely more will come out in time.

Weren't you saying Giannis would be cray cray to want to live in Wisconsin rather than NY?? His family is here too.

[Joemailman]

Elisha Twerski
@ElishaTwerski

Seeing a lot of takes that Jonathan Gannon’s success in Philly was due to a loaded defense. That doesn't seem to align with reality.

Under Gannon:
• Haason Reddick had the best season of his career.
• Brandon Graham racked up a career-high in sacks at age 34.
• Josh Sweat had the two best seasons of his career.
• T.J. Edwards had the best season of his career (PFF).
• Darius Slay had the best season of his career (PFF).
• Milton Williams had the best season of his career (PFF).
• C.J. Gardner-Johnson posted a career-high in picks in just 12 games.
• Avonte Maddox had two of his three best seasons (PFF).
• James Bradberry finished 2nd Team All-Pro, the only AP honor of his career.

I don't blame Packer fans for being skeptical (I have my doubts, too), but to me, that looks like someone who got the most out of his players as a DC.

[pbmax]

Elisha Twerski
@ElishaTwerski

Seeing a lot of takes that Jonathan Gannon’s success in Philly was due to a loaded defense. That doesn't seem to align with reality.

Under Gannon:
• Haason Reddick had the best season of his career.
• Brandon Graham racked up a career-high in sacks at age 34.
• Josh Sweat had the two best seasons of his career.
• T.J. Edwards had the best season of his career (PFF).
• Darius Slay had the best season of his career (PFF).
• Milton Williams had the best season of his career (PFF).
• C.J. Gardner-Johnson posted a career-high in picks in just 12 games.
• Avonte Maddox had two of his three best seasons (PFF).
• James Bradberry finished 2nd Team All-Pro, the only AP honor of his career.

I don't blame Packer fans for being skeptical (I have my doubts, too), but to me, that looks like someone who got the most out of his players as a DC.

He did deliver, that does say something. But on pass rush alone that Eagles defense had a lot more than this version of the Packers D does.

[texaspackerbacker]

Nagler's take this morning on his 'cast was interesting. Says JG isn't married to one scheme or another and will put players in a position to succeed.

Worth a listen.

If true, this is very good news. I recall reading otherwise somewhere - that Gannon was sorta stubbornly locked in to his own particular scheme. We need somebody to use the good sense to do what our personnel dictates.

Gannon had been pretty much my last choice among those mentioned due to the bad results he had at Arizona. I would have been happy with Leonhard or Al Harris - an "up and comer". The bottom line is, though, `I tend to trust LaFleur and/or Gutekunst to make the best choice.

All we as fans can do now is hope.