Starting to appreciate what Sherman did for GB?

[AtlPackFan]

ya.......The same thing might have happened with Sherman, I will agree with that. But saying that it could have been worse??? How much worse would it have to get to be worse than it is now???

Didn't live through the Benston, Devine, Starr, Gregg and Infante years, did you!

[MJZiggy]

**SHUDDER**

[The Shadow]

Personally, I saw quite enough of Mike Sherman & his inadequacies in talent evaluation & game management, & adjustment long, long ago.
I very much like the way Thompson & McCarthy are going about bringing the Packers back to respectability.

[MateoInMex]

Charmin sucked as a coach and GM.

The guy was funny in his weekly articles about family life though.

Crunchtime came around and Charmin would freeze up and stare at his Denny's menu on the sideline.


That's just my opinon.

[The Leaper]

Sherman walked into GB with a sorry beat up veteran squad and one final fantastic GM year from Wolf. Sherman had crap along the D-line (Theirry, Dotson, Brown, Holliday. Maryland was past his prime but was brought in to replace the ever expanding Brown, and KGB was a rook), O-line (Verba, Winters, Dotson(played two games) and two rookies, LB crew (Bernardo Harris and A beat up Brian Williams were 'the best' on this crew, WR (Schroeder - marginal and Freeman - washed up, led this group) and RB (Levens was washed up, Hendo still competent, Green the FA aquisition) when he arrived. To say that the squad that Sherman inhereted 'was loaded with talent' is just a bunch of crap.

Really?

QB...Favre was still in the prime of his career in his early 30s.
RB...Ahman Green in the fold...in the prime of his career.
OL...So-so veterans on their way out...but young kids with loads of talent. I agree that Sherman should be credited for developing the kids, but merely because guys like Clifton, Wahle and Tauscher were inexperienced does not mean they weren't talented.
WR/TE...Yeah, pretty damn bleak. Can't argue there. However, Favre still put up huge numbers despite the lack of talent, so the importance wasn't utmost for this area.

DL/LB...Pretty damn bleak here too. This is really the only area where Sherman needed to focus.
DB...A lot of talent here...McKenzie and Sharper in their prime.

Overall, that is a pretty talented team. HOF QB. All Pro RB. Three young OL prospects with All Pro talent. Two playmakers in the secondary. No...this team wasn't Super Bowl material, but it was only 1 or 2 players away from serious contention. Throw in a couple strong players in the front 7 on defense, and you've got a hell of a team.

[Badgerinmaine]

I'm not going to try to defend Mike Sherman as a general manager, and certainly not his last draft. But his regular season record stacks up pretty well in Packers history:
http://www.packers.com/history/recor...aching_history/

The only three coaches in Packers history with more wins, or a better winning percentage, than Sherman are Lambeau, Lombardi and Holmgren. And to respond to an earlier poster, I sure do remember the Bengtson, Devine, Starr, Gregg and Infante years.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Sherman was a great guy. I think he did everything he could to better the team. Unfortunately, he was an incompetant GM and a lousy coach. He often looked like he was unsure of what to do...a point made all too clear in the Philly debacle.

Incompetent GM? Yes. Lousy coach? No. I wouldn't go that far. I gave him 4 years to prove himself, but like packnuts, when he blew the Philly game, that was about it for me. The next year was the embarrassment against the Vikes in the playoffs. That was the final straw.

[Bretsky]

I didn't like Sherman the GM; and I snapped after the Phily game.

But Sherman the GM is not looking nearly as bad as he did when he left. Off the top of my head he brought in

Barnett
Walker
Al Harris
Scott Wells
Cullen Jenkins
Corey Williams
Aaron Kampman

Not a great job, but for three years that is some nice talent he brought in as well; had Javon Walker stayed about 33% of Green Bay's current starters would be from Sherman's moves as a GM.

Most of the draft day deals were still the worst though and crucified our ability to accumulate depth.

[Deputy Nutz]

I guess when you decide to reach on talent both as a draft evaluator and in free agency things can either go really well or blow up in your face. Things sort of blew up in his face.

I like a lot of people thought that the 2001 season was going to lead to a super bowl, Sherman went after Joe Johnson, and then traded for Terry Glenn, the pieces were thought to have been put in place for a super bowl run. The pieces crumbled in front of us all.

All I can remember is watching Hardy Nickerson failing to make a play because he ran like a third grade, over weight, one legged girl.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I very much like the way Thompson & McCarthy are going about bringing the Packers back to respectability.

back to respectability!!?? There were several consecutive years during the Sherman era when the packers accumulated more wins than any team in the NFL. And remember: Sherm was credited with "bringing the Packers back to respectability" after the Ray Rhodes mini reign.

Look, Sherm was a good coach, and with the recent struggling seasons, I hope the theory that it was "all because of Favre" can be put to rest. When Thompson sends teams to the playoffs year after year, then he will have proved he is as good as Sherm.

Sherm's downfall was a series of deals gone bad on the defensive line. Too Small Jamal, Smokin Joe Johnson, C. Hunt, etc. A lot of these moves were widely praised when he made them, but of course the buck stops with the GM.

[]{ilr]3]

Wow, what made you dig up this thread? last Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:55 pm

Sherman was a great guy. I think he did everything he could to better the team. Unfortunately, he was an incompetant GM and a lousy coach. He often looked like he was unsure of what to do...a point made all too clear in the Philly debacle.

Incompetent GM? Yes. Lousy coach? No. I wouldn't go that far. I gave him 4 years to prove himself, but like packnuts, when he blew the Philly game, that was about it for me. The next year was the embarrassment against the Vikes in the playoffs. That was the final straw.

[GBRulz]

I know... I was reading it like normal...then came across MY post, I'm like "wait, I didn't post in here" and I see it's from last year.

[AV David]

Is it heresy to say that Vince Lombardi left town because he anticipated the disaster of the 70s and 80s? If he did, it was because he knew the cupboard was bare. All of the old guard was getting old and retiring. He might not to have wanted to tarnish his image by struggling for awhile and having to catch lightning in a bottle twice in a lifetime.

Therein lies the difference between TT and Mike Sherman. Mike Sherman inherited a full cupboard. As a GM, he emptied that cupboard pretty fast. If he had won a Super Bowl, we would all be praising him, but he didn't.

TT inherited Sherman's empty cupboard. He is turnimng it atound in 3-5 years rather than 25 years.

Bottom line:

1. Vince was a heck of a coach and GM.

2. Sherman was a good coach and a lousy GM.

3. TT shows signs of being a heck of a GM, but the jury is still out. I expect a verdict this year or next.

[The Leaper]

I still can't understand why so many people give credit to Sherman for winning...when our division was the most pathetic excuse for NFL football I've seen in years. Sherman had 5 wins guaranteed just about his entire tenure...because Chicago and Detroit were hapless, and Minnesota wasn't much better. The NFC as a whole wasn't much better. The NFC East was pathetic outside of Philly. The NFC West was pathetic outside of STL. The only division that seemed to have any competition was the NFC South.

So, going .500 in the other 10 games is something to be applauded? Losing twice in the playoffs on the turf of Lambeau is to be applauded? Continually being outcoached in making adjustments during the game is something to be applauded?

Sherman was a lousy coach...which is why he still doesn't have a head coaching gig in the NFL 2 years after the fact despite a pretty solid W-L record. Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks Sherman's coaching was actually inferior to the record he was fortunate to attain.

[HarveyWallbangers]

{ilr]3]Wow, what made you dig up this thread? last Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:55 pm

I was reading PB's posts from earlier, and thought I'd see what balls of wisdom he's thrown out there previously. I found these gems.


It's fun to bring up old threads. I'm sure there are a few predictions I regret making. Some should regret them even more.