Father of the Year

[MJZiggy]

He needed to take a stand when she was 3. And 3.5 and 3.75. I don't consider any "fucked up shit" that people do to their kids to be acceptable. Teach them, treat them with respect and earn some back. I don't support methodology that is just as likely to make the situation worse as it is to make it better. I see a lot of "metrosexual, liberal, progressive godless shout-abouts" who have perfectly happy, academically successful teenagers and who don't have to put up with the kind of shit that this fool is trying to quash because they started the teen years already having established their authority and earned their kids' respect.

[GrnBay007]

Bottom line.............................................. ....................................Until you walk in someone else's shoes!!

I know it's just a topic of discussion, but really until anyone knows the whole, complete story from birth till now.....of all involved.....is it really right to judge?

Anyway, fun topic.

[MJZiggy]

Anyway, fun topic.

That's the point.

[Kiwon]

She will do one of two things. Kowtow, or knowing that her computer is gone, become even more angry and defiant and do something drastic (and likely newsworthy) of her own to one-up him.

MJZ, the third response you failed to mention is that the girl, Hannah, matures through this experience and learns to respectfully obey her parents. I fully expect that there will be a follow-up story in a several months and we will find out that the family is closer than ever before. Given the notoriety of the video and the involvement of the authorities, I'd bet anything that Hannah defends her dad's actions and will admit that she was in the wrong.

AND, this girl will have a new computer in no time. It's a necessity for school these days anyway. After all the controversy, when she apologizes, I would expect that her dad will buy her something better than she had and they will have a big laugh over the whole thing.

[MadtownPacker]

That's the point.

Wow what a bitchy response. Maybe someone should shoot your laptop.

[Patler]

He punished the laptop more than he punished his daughter.
All he has done is to make it a little less convenient for her, nothing more.

[MJZiggy]

MJZ, the third response you failed to mention is that the girl, Hannah, matures through this experience and learns to respectfully obey her parents. I fully expect that there will be a follow-up story in a several months and we will find out that the family is closer than ever before. Given the notoriety of the video and the involvement of the authorities, I'd bet anything that Hannah defends her dad's actions and will admit that she was in the wrong.

AND, this girl will have a new computer in no time. It's a necessity for school these days anyway. After all the controversy, when she apologizes, I would expect that her dad will buy her something better than she had and they will have a big laugh over the whole thing.

Wouldn't buying her a new laptop actually reward her for the behavior? And wouldn't that completely negate everything you all have been praising him for through the whole thread? You REALLY in your heart believe that a girl who was actively and publicly cussing out her father for giving her a few chores is suddenly going to become a loving, wonderful child because her father absolutely humiliated her in front of everyone she knows? AND that the thing in her life she'll be famous for is having a father who put a bunch of bullets in her computer (that she NEEDS for school and that she uses to communicate with her friends? If she's being rebellious to begin with, I can see her taking an awful long time to even consider forgiving him for this. If she were three and needed to be put in her place, humiliating her a little might work, but teenagers tend to put more stock in the opinions of their peer than their parents, like it or not.

[MadtownPacker]

If she were three and needed to be put in her place, humiliating her a little might work, but teenagers tend to put more stock in the opinions of their peer than their parents, like it or not.

Sounds like you are saying he played it right then. Sure all her friends are giving her their opinions.

[MJZiggy]

Sounds like you are saying he played it right then. Sure all her friends are giving her their opinions.

My point is that she cares more about what they think than what he does. If her girlfriends take "her side" which they likely will, he's fucked. "Your dad is so mean!!" "I can't believe he did that to you. That is so not fair." "If my dad ever did something like that to me...I'd run away and never see him again."

How mad is she? Because from the sound of her post and his reaction to it, she's might just be a teeny tiny bit willful and not go down so easy in this power struggle.

[Patler]

Can't help but think that posting the video was more about the dad's ego than anything else. What does it gain over direct interactiom?

[Kiwon]

Can't help but think that posting the video was more about the dad's ego than anything else. What does it gain over direct interactiom?

That's ridiculous. The girl had been previously grounded for 3 months for doing something similar. The father warned the girl of worst consequences if she did it again. She did it again and thought she would get away with it by blocking out her parents. She was wrong.

He starts out the video by saying it was for Hannah, her friends that think her posts are cute and parents, who might not be aware of what children are negatively posting about them. So it's about his ego? Give me a break! It's called being a father, and a good one at that. He's making good on his threat while at the same time shaming his spoiled daughter in the same exact method that she had disrespected her parents.

Even the ex-wife, the girl's mother was in agreement with the punishment ("put a bullet in there for me too").

What does it gain over direct interaction? A video posted by the dad on his daughter's Facebook page without her knowledge or permission is more powerful than direct interaction. The direct interaction is going to occur anyway, after the fact. Besides, they tried that before and she did not listen.

Kids are so emotionally tied to their Facebook pages and dad hit her where it hurts. She tried to outsmart him, block him out, hide her posts, one of which is entitled, "To My Parents" where she trashes them. Instead, ole dad demonstrates to her that he is not as stupid as she thinks he is and takes control of her Facebook page. The man is teaching his daughter a lesson that she will never forget.

Since she tried to trick them again and failed, maybe it's time for her to actually start to OBEY her parents. What a novel concept. Is really doing 10 minutes of household chores a day without complaining about it too high a bar for a teen in 2012?

The dad doesn't think so and he helped to give her an attitude adjustment is a very dramatic way.

And, yes, MJZ, Hannah does need a new computer and should get one AFTER she apologizes for her attitude and disobedience. The man obviously loves his daughter and I'm sure he will be quick to forgive her when she demonstrates some maturity and takes responsibility for herself.

[wootah]

I'm sure he will be quick to forgive her when she demonstrates some maturity

How can he expects something from his daughter which he clearly lacks it himself? "Put a bullet in there for me too". What is this, Deadwood?

[Deputy Nutz]

Remember when Zool suggested he put a Cleveland Steamer in the labtop? That was awesome!

[Scott Campbell]

Can't help but think that posting the video was more about the dad's ego than anything else. What does it gain over direct interactiom?

I agree.

[Patler]

That's ridiculous. The girl had been previously grounded for 3 months for doing something similar. The father warned the girl of worst consequences if she did it again. She did it again and thought she would get away with it by blocking out her parents. She was wrong.

He starts out the video by saying it was for Hannah, her friends that think her posts are cute and parents, who might not be aware of what children are negatively posting about them. So it's about his ego? Give me a break! It's called being a father, and a good one at that. He's making good on his threat while at the same time shaming his spoiled daughter in the same exact method that she had disrespected her parents.

Even the ex-wife, the girl's mother was in agreement with the punishment ("put a bullet in there for me too").

What does it gain over direct interaction? A video posted by the dad on his daughter's Facebook page without her knowledge or permission is more powerful than direct interaction. The direct interaction is going to occur anyway, after the fact. Besides, they tried that before and she did not listen.

Kids are so emotionally tied to their Facebook pages and dad hit her where it hurts. She tried to outsmart him, block him out, hide her posts, one of which is entitled, "To My Parents" where she trashes them. Instead, ole dad demonstrates to her that he is not as stupid as she thinks he is and takes control of her Facebook page. The man is teaching his daughter a lesson that she will never forget.

Since she tried to trick them again and failed, maybe it's time for her to actually start to OBEY her parents. What a novel concept. Is really doing 10 minutes of household chores a day without complaining about it too high a bar for a teen in 2012?

The dad doesn't think so and he helped to give her an attitude adjustment is a very dramatic way.

And, yes, MJZ, Hannah does need a new computer and should get one AFTER she apologizes for her attitude and disobedience. The man obviously loves his daughter and I'm sure he will be quick to forgive her when she demonstrates some maturity and takes responsibility for herself.

I guess if you perceive parenting as a competition between the parents and their kids, your analysis makes sense. Otherwise, not so much. He could have demonstrated the same things to her, without showing the world what a great, clever and smart guy he is to have out-witted a teenager.

Much of parenting is setting a good example, showing a better way. She was mad at her parents, so chose to ridicule them on Facebook. He was upset with her, so he ridiculed her on Facebook. Great example. Sometimes it is showing them over and over again, until it finally sinks in. He apparently tried it before, but now stoops to her tactics, instead of convincing her to adopt his earlier ways of dealing with conflict.

In essence, he has affirmed her methods, going behind the back of the person you have conflict with, and embarrass them publicly. Not something I would have affirmed by doing it to my kids, even if they did it to me.

Kids are always emotionally tied to something. So what?

I raised a herd, never looked at it as a competition. We had our conflicts, but I always tried to act as the adult, not stooping to a child's approach.