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[Deputy Nutz]

What the hell is Favre doing attempting 52 passes? That is just stupid play calling. Especially down on the goal line where they only ran Peterson once. Goofy.

The whole point with signing Favre was that the Vikings weren't going to overuse him. His passing would be second to the run. Really, 52 attempts?

[Fritz]

Well, to be fair, MM got defensive when asked about his running game, implying that coaches see more than fans and respond to the personnel and situations they see on the field.

On the other hand, in the long-running Favre soap opera, one of the debates on this forum has been whether Favre could or would be a "game manager" all season long. Some here felt he didn't have it within himself to stay reigned in; others felt that Chevel would eventually go to Favre to carry the team. Even Kampman made an indirect reference to how often Favre's passed the last few games, suggesting maybe they were, earlier, just getting Favre in sync with the team before turning him loose.

Me, I wouldn't want Favre to carry a team I coached. Not any more. Heck, I never really wanted that - I'm a bit conservative that way. But that's just me.

I believe that the worm is turning. A season is a series of short stories and too many people want one stretch of games early on to stand for a whole season. But often times the unbeatable team of September is the 9-7 first round playoff knockout.

It's a long year.

[Deputy Nutz]

The Vikings have scratched there way to 6-1. I haven't seen them play a complete game yet, or finish a game. For example the games against the Packers and the Ravens. They dominated both games but had to win on a missed field goal, and recover two onside kicks against the Pack.

If this team thinks they are going to consistently dominate and beat teams with Favre throwing 52 times then all they have to do is look at yesterday's game as proof.

I am thinking Favre needs more Woody Hayes, then June Jones right now. Run the ball 3 out of 4 plays would do the Vikings good until the defense sells out against the run, and gives Favre single coverage across the field.

[pbmax]

Well, to be fair, MM got defensive when asked about his running game, implying that coaches see more than fans and respond to the personnel and situations they see on the field.

I read that and didn't get a real defensive vibe, no more than you might get after a follow-up question is very much like the previous question. But I did not hear it or see the video.

But McCarthy is being somewhat obtuse. One of the reasons he is in bad down and distance situations is the penalties. And that means throwing more.

[packerbacker1234]

The Vikings have scratched there way to 6-1. I haven't seen them play a complete game yet, or finish a game. For example the games against the Packers and the Ravens. They dominated both games but had to win on a missed field goal, and recover two onside kicks against the Pack.

If this team thinks they are going to consistently dominate and beat teams with Favre throwing 52 times then all they have to do is look at yesterday's game as proof.

I am thinking Favre needs more Woody Hayes, then June Jones right now. Run the ball 3 out of 4 plays would do the Vikings good until the defense sells out against the run, and gives Favre single coverage across the field.

They didn't 'have to recover two onside kicks to win', the packers had to recover two onside kicks to have a CHANCE to win.

The vikings had the game against the pack well in hand. It's us that needed some miracle magic to get it done.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They didn't 'have to recover two onside kicks to win', the packers had to recover two onside kicks to have a CHANCE to win.

The vikings had the game against the pack well in hand. It's us that needed some miracle magic to get it done.

Actually, the Packers had to recover one of two onside kicks. They recovered neither. Sidney Rice made sure of that.

[hoosier]

The Vikings may be having a hard time finishing games but, as far as I can tell, they are also consistently outplaying their opponents for most of the game. I suppose we can spin that one way or the other: either eventually they will figure out how to close out games and they'll become dominant, or eventually their luck will run out and they'll revert to the mediocre team of the last few years.

I wish I saw the worm turning, but the fact that Favre threw 50 some times and they still came oh-so-close to beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh says to me that they are the best team in the division right now, and probably the second best in the NFC. I am hoping that things will look different a week from now.

[sharpe1027]

The Vikings may be having a hard time finishing games but, as far as I can tell, they are also consistently outplaying their opponents for most of the game. I suppose we can spin that one way or the other: either eventually they will figure out how to close out games and they'll become dominant, or eventually their luck will run out and they'll revert to the mediocre team of the last few years.

I wish I saw the worm turning, but the fact that Favre threw 50 some times and they still came oh-so-close to beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh says to me that they are the best team in the division right now, and probably the second best in the NFC. I am hoping that things will look different a week from now.

Despite trailing almost the entire game to the Steelers, all the headlines say the Steelers "stole" one from the Vikings or that the Vikings outplayed them. Go figure...

[mngolf19]

The Vikings may be having a hard time finishing games but, as far as I can tell, they are also consistently outplaying their opponents for most of the game. I suppose we can spin that one way or the other: either eventually they will figure out how to close out games and they'll become dominant, or eventually their luck will run out and they'll revert to the mediocre team of the last few years.

I wish I saw the worm turning, but the fact that Favre threw 50 some times and they still came oh-so-close to beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh says to me that they are the best team in the division right now, and probably the second best in the NFC. I am hoping that things will look different a week from now.

Despite trailing almost the entire game to the Steelers, all the headlines say the Steelers "stole" one from the Vikings or that the Vikings outplayed them. Go figure...

Vikes were right there all game, just happened to turn out against them. That was their best game played all year, my opinion. And considering they were going against a top passing team, they looked pretty good without Winfield. Although I'd prefer to have him. Spin seems to be coming from the Vikes concerning his availability this week.

[packerbacker1234]

The Vikings may be having a hard time finishing games but, as far as I can tell, they are also consistently outplaying their opponents for most of the game. I suppose we can spin that one way or the other: either eventually they will figure out how to close out games and they'll become dominant, or eventually their luck will run out and they'll revert to the mediocre team of the last few years.

I wish I saw the worm turning, but the fact that Favre threw 50 some times and they still came oh-so-close to beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh says to me that they are the best team in the division right now, and probably the second best in the NFC. I am hoping that things will look different a week from now.

Despite trailing almost the entire game to the Steelers, all the headlines say the Steelers "stole" one from the Vikings or that the Vikings outplayed them. Go figure...

If you got to see any of the game: The vikings were physically beating up Pit. They looked like the better team most the game. THe problem was that pit's D did just enough to not let the vikes get in the endzone.

You know, that stript of favre? Wasn't it two plays earlier Favre threw a TD to take the lead that got called back? I mean, the game could of gone any way at the end. However, the vikings did look like the better team. They just can't keep relying on #4 to pull it out in the end. He's still pretty good, but he can't be expected to do it every week. He already did it twice this year, don't keep making him do it every week.

[Scott Campbell]

If you got to see any of the game: The vikings were physically beating up Pit. They looked like the better team most the game. THe problem was that pit's D did just enough to not let the vikes get in the endzone.

I'd say the PIT D did a little more than that. They scored 14 points in the 4th quarter.

[packerbacker1234]

If you got to see any of the game: The vikings were physically beating up Pit. They looked like the better team most the game. THe problem was that pit's D did just enough to not let the vikes get in the endzone.

I'd say the PIT D did a little more than that. They scored 14 points in the 4th quarter.

Yeah on fluke plays. When the fumble was picked up it was like, favre or a linemen to tackle a LB. Yeah, not happening.

The int? No one over there cept favre who could of stopped it.

I mean shit, Wood had a int this last week that to me was more impressive then either one of those two plays.

[Scott Campbell]

If you got to see any of the game: The vikings were physically beating up Pit. They looked like the better team most the game. THe problem was that pit's D did just enough to not let the vikes get in the endzone.

I'd say the PIT D did a little more than that. They scored 14 points in the 4th quarter.

Yeah on fluke plays. When the fumble was picked up it was like, favre or a linemen to tackle a LB. Yeah, not happening.

The int? No one over there cept favre who could of stopped it.

I mean shit, Wood had a int this last week that to me was more impressive then either one of those two plays.

The Mendenhall fumble inside the 5 was a fluke play. The kickoff return was a fluke play. Take off the purple glasses.

PIT beat MN. Period. No excuses. No moral victories.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It is comical reading a packer fan post passionate defenses of the Vikes.

[Scott Campbell]

Gotta love the one on the right: