OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Bretsky]

I use to put him in the best ever conversation; now I agree with you. I'd put him in top ten....but not even top five anymore. Too many bad mistakes

[Scott Campbell]

.....most Packer fans are far more forgiving than you are IMO

Quite possibly every Packer fan is more forgiving than I am. However, that doesn't mean that most would forgive him. I'd point to his Lambeau reception as evidence.

[Bossman641]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.

why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

He's given Rice a lot of plays on jump balls and one on one matchups. I'd say say that's a little different then across your body to the middle of the field.

BTW, what is the Vikings radio guy's name? Paul Allen? I loved his call on the last play.

[Joemailman]

I use to put him in the best ever conversation; now I agree with you. I'd put him in top ten....but not even top five anymore. Too many bad mistakes

Favre might have been remembered as the greatest ever if Holmgren had stayed in Green Bay. In 7 seasons with Holmgren: 3 MVP's, 2 Super Bowls, 9-5 playoff record.

Post Holmgren: 0 MVP's, 0 Super Bowls, 4-6 playoff record.

[Scott Campbell]

BTW, what is the Vikings radio guy's name? Paul Allen? I loved his call on the last play.

Hilarious. One of the best calls of all time. "THIS IS NOT DETROIT!"

[Scott Campbell]

The Adventures of Favros --Greek Hero

Written by CheeseCityFan at Sportsbubbler and copied here with his permission.

http://community.sportsbubbler.com/forums/p/89660/961305.aspx#961305

Come hear the epic tale of the hero, Favros, who was blessed by the gods with superhuman strength and endurance in throwing the leather disc, but was also cursed by them with a fatal flaw for his hubris. Our tale finds Favros and his consort, Deanna, exiled from the kingdom of Lambos on the shores of the Bay of Green when he clashed wills with the ruler of the kingdom of Lambos, Theodore the Snow-haired one, when Favros, in a fit of indecision and hubris first let go of the mantle of leadership and then took it, and then let it go, and then took it up, and then let it go. Theodore the Snow-haird exiled Favros and his consort to the Kingdom of Gotham where he had some success in hurling the leather disk until the gods struck his arm causing it go dead. Favros was then permitted to leave the Kingdom of Gotham and continue his wanderings.

Hippocrates Andrews repaired the arm of Favros in the spring and Favros wandered to the land of the Heidi-hairs, to the kingdom of the Berserkers in purple, lead by the cognitively disabled ruler, Chillios, who also doubles as a chairoteer in his spare time. After much entreating by Chillios, and the payment of a king's ransom, Favros agrees to hurl the leather disc for the Heidi-hairs as he continues his quest for vindication over Theodore the Snow-haird and his search for the ever-elusive and much coveted Trophy of Lombardos which Favros once held in his younger years.

After much success hurling the leather disc and conquering the minions of Theodore the Snow-haired, Favros still sought the Trophy of Lombardos and was one contest away from dueling Manning the Younger, general of the Blue Equines, for possession of it, needing to conquer the army of the kingdom of The Big Easy. It was a fiercely fought contest. Many strong warriors attacked Favros savagely, yet, he still remained in the battle. Victory was in sight. However, in a key skirmish Favros hears the harpies calling in the secondary, "I'm open. I'm open. I'm open."

Favros falls prey to his inability to ignore the harpies and his hubris in trusting the strength of his right arm. Defenders from out of nowhere take possession of the leather disc and Favros and Heidi-hairs lose the contest. The football gods punish Favros for his hubris.

What will happen to Favros next? Will he remain with the Heidi-hairs? Will he take his shield and sword and retire to the Bayou Kingdom?

Only the gods know.

[pbmax]

Re: The Adventures of Favros --Greek Hero

Written by CheeseCityFan at Sportsbubbler and copied here with his permission.

http://community.sportsbubbler.com/forums/p/89660/961305.aspx#961305

... However, in a key skirmish Favros hears the harpies calling in the secondary, "I'm open. I'm open. I'm open."

Favros falls prey to his inability to ignore the harpies and his hubris in trusting the strength of his right arm.

That's got to read sirens, doesn't it? Harpies might describe KC Joyner, Colin Cowherd (pre-2009 - anyone else notice how his conclusion on Favre did a complete 180 this year?) and Paul Zimmerman.

[MOBB DEEP]

[quote="JustinHarrell"]

Best ever, don't make those mistakes and have 3 rings.

i agree

and NUTHN wrong with being top 10 imo....

legacy coulda been better but also coulda been worse

i was highschool rb and woulda gave a kidney for ricky waters career, despite sweetness is GOAT, e.g.

[MOBB DEEP]

ENETERTAINMENT and favre still more entertaining than TT; if tt was on field, and provided me excitement for 2 decades, i woulda supported him when brett jetted

Thompson isn't paid to be an entertainer, Mobb. He's paid to hire entertainers.

Were you not entertained by the 53 players we had on our roster this year?

hehehehe


u didnt get my point? i was merely sayn that, for me, the impetus for anger in 2007 was my memories of favre wowing, wooing, and wrecking me not the GMs picking the squads

i dont have the same respect of persons any longer; i value whatever whoever brings to the table

im impressed by what both favre AND tt have done the past couple of years for real for real; they're doing well at their jobs. im jus more enamored with the players over the brass. OF COURSE it matters, i jus dont sweat draft position and depth charts, just the finished product

to be transparent, im pretty much sure that im more devasted by favres choking than any one in this world....lol.....as much as i prayed to keep the game/outcome in perspective, i didnt watch any sports ANYTHING until celtics choked tonite lol...jus great; both teams full of morons (jared allen play? KG washed up?)

i was iron clad; cant get too emotional fool! then was pacing the entire game, gin didnt calm me down (wish i had herb), and yelled so much wifey way upstairs and neighbors in next development HAD to be cringing

the bastard did it to me again but thats my white nig for life! i roll with that cat no matter what; not jumping ship.. and im very SURE he's the last, now i jus dig the game overall, not with as much passion as i did in 02....some are oblivious but lord favre is the LAST link to the old-to-semi-old-school, the nfl has changed, it NOT for the better imo...better than nba, but i miss the 80s and 90s in both...toughies are extinct, even the fans.....bring back chuck cecil and bravaro

i think packerarcher said the nfl wont be the same when brett REALLY retires....i'll submit that sports in genreral wont be the same! im worried; what hobby should i pick up? watch so many documentaries, larry david, and law n order as is...hmmmm....maybe get back to reading good books....hit the links like my upwardly mobile brethren, become a hubby

[packrulz]

Tarkenton says Favre's last pass 'stupid'
By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 28, 2010

Former Minnesota Vikings quarterback Fran Tarkenton, who has taken some shots at Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the past, took a few more today during an interview with radio station 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia.

Tarkenton was asked to assess the Vikings' performance in the NFC title game against New Orleans.

“I think the Vikings were clearly the best team,” Tarkenton said. “They held this New Orleans offense to under 300 yards. They made Drew Brees look ordinary. He didn’t even throw for 200 yards. The guys have been throwing for 400, 500 yards. They were the better team. Their offense turned the ball over five times, the Viking offense. But still if (Favre) didn’t make that stupid play at the end of the game they would have won the game. Now you are in Philadelphia, remember a few years ago when Green Bay played you guys? . . . I mean he throws the ball straight up in the air, free falls. Do you remember that? I have never seen any quarterback much less, well he is going to be a Hall of Fame quarterback, make plays like that at a critical time. He has done the same thing in the Giants’ game (2007 season). He plays at home, has the better team and plays against Eli (Manning). He was a young kid right? And he throws the pick…. and then he does what he did the other night which was just shameful because great quarterbacks, and he is a great quarterback, they don’t do that. You don’t see Peyton Manning do that.”

Tarkenton said he is not down on Favre’s abilities.

“No, I think he has been a great, great player,” Tarkenton said. “I am not a great fan of Brett Favre’s because he goes out and all I heard them talk about is Brett Favre and he is tough, he is getting hit. You know Peyton Manning gets hit. I have played with a torn ACL. Donovan McNabb gets hit. We all get hit but he is flapping around and jumping around and he is getting hit and he talks in the soft voice. I would rather it be about the team and not Brett Favre. I get the idea that it is more about Brett Favre than the team. A quarterback is to make his teammates better but he is not about that. Now as a player, he has been a great player. No question about it. Also great players, my gosh, I have never seen great quarterbacks make that many bad plays in a critical moment in a playoff game.”

Tarkenton was asked about Favre’s career passing yards and touchdown records.

“He has done great and Peyton Manning is going to go by his records because you play 16 games today,” Tarkenton said. “It is a quarterbacks league, they changed the rules in 1979 where you couldn’t hit the receiver past five yards. That changed the whole offense. Now most anybody can throw for 300 yards. Back in our day if you threw for 300 yards that was a huge thing. Now these records are going to continually be broken because of the nature of the game and Peyton will beat Favre. Favre has been a great, great player. No question about it. One of the greats of all-time. I am just not a great Brett Favre fan.”

[Gunakor]

i think packerarcher said the nfl wont be the same when brett REALLY retires....i'll submit that sports in genreral wont be the same! im worried; what hobby should i pick up? watch so many documentaries, larry david, and law n order as is...hmmmm....maybe get back to reading good books....hit the links like my upwardly mobile brethren, become a hubby

Well I can agree that the NFL won't be exactly the same after Favre retires, but that doesn't mean it'll be any less entertaining. As one entertainer is sent to pasture, another is reborn and is rearing to go in the starting gate. I don't idolize individual players like you do, but if I did I could certainly find plenty of worthy candidates.

Sports in general - it'll be the same. Favre didn't usher in a new era in sport. Let me offer a little perspective here: Jackie Robinson changed sport. Brett Favre played/plays football. Sport will go on after Favre same as it always has.

[Scott Campbell]

i think packerarcher said the nfl wont be the same when brett REALLY retires....i'll submit that sports in genreral wont be the same!

We all survived when Bill Buckner retired. Some young gun will choke away a golden opportunity just like Brett did this weekend, and then the sting will start to fade. Lets just hope its not Rodgers.

[MichiganPackerFan]

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82746307.html?results=y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid =82746307


When Brett Favre finally decides to officially retire, how will you remember his post-season performances?
His victory in Super Bowl XXXI (35%)
His game-changing interceptions (65%)
Total Responses: 13875

Defining play of his career is the opening pass to Andre Rison; most Packer fans are far more forgiving than you are IMO

I think that opinions will change as things heal with time. I have no doubt that ultimately what I remember most is the triumphs, but right now I'd still fall in the 65%. Time heals all!

Written by CheeseCityFan at Sportsbubbler and copied here with his permission.


Come hear the epic tale of the hero, Favros, who was blessed by the gods with superhuman strength and endurance in throwing the leather disc, but was also cursed by them with a fatal flaw for his hubris. ...

This was wonderful!!

[MadScientist]

Jared Allen's Queen plea for the BF to return:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/29/an-offer-favre-may-not-be-able-to-refuse/

[hoosier]

The explanation about the Saints switching from man to zone does perhaps make Favre's decision to throw a little easier to understand. If he thought Rice was going to be single covered, it's not that surprising he would try it. He completed a number of passes this season to the tall Rice where Rice was not exactly open. Now, throwing the ball across your body down the middle of the field is never a good idea, so I'm not defending the decision, but I think I can see what he was thinking.

But certainly there are "man" coverage schemes (or, techically, "mixed" schemes) where you would expect to see a LB dropping into coverage instead of staying with the RB, TE or blitzing. Besides, Favre surely must have recognized almost immediately after the ball was snapped that it wasn't man coverage but rather cover 2 that the Saints were playing.