OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[ThunderDan]

The explanation about the Saints switching from man to zone does perhaps make Favre's decision to throw a little easier to understand. If he thought Rice was going to be single covered, it's not that surprising he would try it. He completed a number of passes this season to the tall Rice where Rice was not exactly open. Now, throwing the ball across your body down the middle of the field is never a good idea, so I'm not defending the decision, but I think I can see what he was thinking.

But certainly there are "man" coverage schemes (or, techically, "mixed" schemes) where you would expect to see a LB dropping into coverage instead of staying with the RB, TE or blitzing. Besides, Favre surely must have recognized almost immediately after the ball was snapped that it wasn't man coverage but rather cover 2 that the Saints were playing.

I was thinking the same thing. If the QB rolls right the defenders on the left side of the field are going to cheat and play off of their responsibility and shadow the middle of the field.

[MJZiggy]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.

why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

[GrnBay007]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.

why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

[packerbacker1234]

Not to mention Favre after the game admitted he got to the throw late, which gave the defender time to get that jump. He needed to pull the trigger sooner... so he felt at least. I am sure he looked at it ont he sideline to get that idea in his head, since the game wasn't over yet.

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2010-01-21-sean-salisbury_N.htm?csp=hf

Bradshaw says Favre's main motivation, after feeling hurt and then mad at the Green Bay Packers, is to "embarrass them, put it in their face. And nothing would throw it in their face more than winning the Super Bowl."




Bert tried to embarrass the Packers, and he ended up embarrassing himself. Perhaps the best excuse of all for choking in the clutch is because that's what he deserved. It was karma.

[Maxie the Taxi]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2010-01-21-sean-salisbury_N.htm?csp=hf


Bradshaw says Favre's main motivation, after feeling hurt and then mad at the Green Bay Packers, is to "embarrass them, put it in their face. And nothing would throw it in their face more than winning the Super Bowl."




Bert tried to embarrass the Packers, and he ended up embarrassing himself. Perhaps the best excuse of all for choking in the clutch is because that's what he deserved. It was karma.

I talked to the Commissioner. He says spite is not a good enough reason to return to the Super Bowl.

[MJZiggy]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.

why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

I know because I saw the throw (and the wonderful analysis of the play) If it had been the normal pass that he makes to Rice, Rice could have gone up for it. That's what he does. He's a big receiver and has had success when Favre throws high and he can go over the shorter defenders. When it was intercepted, what'shisname caught it in his gut. That's not letting Rice go up and get it. That's how I know. By not being completely blind to any possible criticism of Favre. It was an absolutely boneheaded throw and not the first in his career. It's ok to admit it.

[Scott Campbell]

Rolling way out to the right, throwing across his body, ball security at the highest possible priority level, getting very little zip on the ball, targeting a guy that was supposed to be a decoy on that play, launching one across the field. He broke every QB rule in the book on that one play.

[Bossman641]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.

why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

Common sense and a general understanding of football.

[b bulldog]

Brett is not a big game QB, THAT IS OBVIOUS. That comment will probably get me banned. What happened to this site, it was once a place where we could banter, now, the pro4 people get you banned. Stating the obvious isn't tolerated by those in power, oh well, all the good posters from the past are gone anyway. Disliked 4 years ago, literally can't staND the diva now, the dumbest QB of all time.

[ThunderDan]

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

This is the same reason Arod throws the ball high to Finley. Tall athletic WR/TE that can go up and grab the ball at a higher point than the shorter DB can get up to. It's also why NFL teams are in love with 6 foot plus CB and will draft them earlier than the should based on potential alone.

[mraynrand]

When you've lost three NFCC games all on late interceptions, all of which were poor decisions and unforced errors, you start to recognize a pattern. What's interesting is that ultimately Favre never changed. His first pick was a risky throw into coverage when he had Chewy for a short gain or could have run it way back in 1995, his second was a waffler to the most covered of four receivers in 2007 and his final was an entirely risky throw when he could have run it in 2009. Not to mention the hot air ballon in Philly, or the beyond the line of scrimmage toss against MN because he was afraid of getting hit. Not flukes, but rather a consistent pattern throughout his career.

In all the playoff games Favre has lost, there were many other contributing factors to the losses (4th and 26 in Philly, bad defense against the Vikings and the Rams in 2004 and 2001, respectively, poor offensive line play against the Giants (no run game) in 2007, turnovers by MN this year, etc. etc.) but in none of these games did Favre play the kind of game you expect for a seasoned veteran, hall of fame QB. Game after game, he made critical, unforced errors that cost his team. Those teams probably would have lost many, if not all those games, even had Favre played 'perfectly.' But the point is that we'll never know, because far from playing perfectly, Favre played poorly in many of them. That's just the facts. Favre played poorly. For someone who wanted to see him win all but one of those games, it was pretty hard to take, especially since I know he was capable of so much more.

[Bretsky]

I use to put him in the best ever conversation; now I agree with you. I'd put him in top ten....but not even top five anymore. Too many bad mistakes

Favre might have been remembered as the greatest ever if Holmgren had stayed in Green Bay. In 7 seasons with Holmgren: 3 MVP's, 2 Super Bowls, 9-5 playoff record.

Post Holmgren: 0 MVP's, 0 Super Bowls, 4-6 playoff record.

Gotta agree with this; good point

[Bretsky]

Jared Allen's Queen plea for the BF to return:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ble-to-refuse/

Funny stuff

[Bretsky]

Brett is not a big game QB, THAT IS OBVIOUS. That comment will probably get me banned. What happened to this site, it was once a place where we could banter, now, the pro4 people get you banned. Stating the obvious isn't tolerated by those in power, oh well, all the good posters from the past are gone anyway. Disliked 4 years ago, literally can't staND the diva now, the dumbest QB of all time.

Part of this IMO is pretty ignorant.

What posters have got other posters banned ?

What gets people on timeouts are personal attacks and blatant disrespect and courtesy to others. Those who don't partake in that can choose to stay around if they want.

I may be incorrect but I don't think admin is pro4, as you refer to it as.