OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[gbgary]

He looks like a kid out there - just havin fun!

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Are those two guys the shortest trainers in the NFL? Bert looks like a giant!

i thought the same thing. he could have put their heads under his arm pits and used them as crutches.

[pbmax]

Many, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a hockey scout that it pays to take notes about players even when they are young, because it is who they are. While sometimes they can be changed to a certain extent, when crunch time comes they will instinctively react in the way that is natural for them. The trick for a scout is to evaluate if the great plays made by a 12-16 year old will be successful plays as a junior, college or pro player.

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was. Sometimes he got away with those plays, and fans cheered him for it, reinforcing something coaches probably wanted to stop. Yesterday, it came back to bite him.

Actually, I think he gets away just often enough with that throw and others like it that it reinforces the high school or college assertiveness to continue to reappear.

And he receives probably his second greatest amount of praise and approbation from his willingness to take risks and make throws just like that. Other than his toughness, it is that trait that is lauded above all else. His footwork is not Montana like, he is not as tall as Manning or Brady, his arm is not quite Jeff George, Elway or Cunningham, he does not read a defense and go through progressions like Montana, Young or Manning and his release is not Marino or Namath lethal.

His standout traits are toughness and willingness to trust his arm. If you took his belief in those two things down a notch, I think he becomes far closer to average. McGinn said the thing that stood out, after all this time, was not his physical attributes but his willfulness.

[Brewhaha]

take into account im WASTED ppl

lol...the freaks come out at night

GET LIVES u loathesome losers...if i were a staunch vike fan i would remind yall that vikes beat pack twice and WON the division which is an acomplishment...in the past when the pack have lost i didnt get any REAL satisfaction out of ANY others teams struggles b/c i was too busy lamenting MY teams loss

and never mind that he took vikes further than last year huh?

lets all gloat at anothers "demise..." who does that? well-rounded individuals? NO!

...hahahaha nice charater trait and SO impressive...hope i can be like yall when i grow up; sure yall older than me and dispaly SUCH wisdom i want to emmulate

any broad bashn brett probaly had crush on him 3 years ago and got low self esteem, wishn aaron would get up with them

and who here REALLY believes what "ty" says anyway....he has no friends IM SURE; he was probaly WATCHN a bunch of "cool" guys watch the game from afar lmao

i can jus imagie how dumpy and gay some of u all look in person

trust me, suave, self assured ppl dont seek to down others they jus keep it moving

self evaluate; favre aint did JACK to you personally. and if the vikes or pack win or lose your life changes NONE; you will still be haters lol

obviously im still tryna finish the HUGE bottle of gin i bought for the championshipm games. i vowed to not drink any more after favre is eliminated; no need for big guts like u lazy, non athletic schmucks

again im wasted and other than meanie ty (who can EASILY take it and dish it) im not individualizn

So we allow this to turn into a Vikings forum, and then the few Packers fans that remain aren't even allowed to rip on the Vikings for losing? What is going on?

[mraynrand]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

Wow that was funny and horrible all at the same time. From the comments section:

"Oh man, that is funny. I remember that feeling as a Packer fan. Good Riddance. You Vikes got the complete Farve experience with your purchase. How does is feel now?"


I think they should have a ride at Disney called "The Favre Experience" and it would always end with a horrible interception and the reaction of that guy in the room. Probably would ruin Disney in a month.

[TravisWilliams23]

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was.

That's exactly what drove me nuts watching him all these years. He never learned, never became that ultimate qb like Starr, Montana.

When it's all said and done, it's those rings that matter most.
Ask Marino.

[Scott Campbell]

A new all time record was set yesterday. 30 career playoff interceptions.

[gbgary]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

[Patler]

Many, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a hockey scout that it pays to take notes about players even when they are young, because it is who they are. While sometimes they can be changed to a certain extent, when crunch time comes they will instinctively react in the way that is natural for them. The trick for a scout is to evaluate if the great plays made by a 12-16 year old will be successful plays as a junior, college or pro player.

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was. Sometimes he got away with those plays, and fans cheered him for it, reinforcing something coaches probably wanted to stop. Yesterday, it came back to bite him.

Actually, I think he gets away just often enough with that throw and others like it that it reinforces the high school or college assertiveness to continue to reappear.

And he receives probably his second greatest amount of praise and approbation from his willingness to take risks and make throws just like that. Other than his toughness, it is that trait that is lauded above all else. His footwork is not Montana like, he is not as tall as Manning or Brady, his arm is not quite Jeff George, Elway or Cunningham, he does not read a defense and go through progressions like Montana, Young or Manning and his release is not Marino or Namath lethal.

His standout traits are toughness and willingness to trust his arm. If you took his belief in those two things down a notch, I think he becomes far closer to average. McGinn said the thing that stood out, after all this time, was not his physical attributes but his willfulness.

I agree completely. But it is also what has failed him most in playoff football, when everything is kicked up a notch. The risks he took that succeeded often enough to be tolerable during the regular season have failed him miserably in playoffs since the Super Bowl years. This year, he didn't take those types of risks too often, until the biggest moment on the biggest setting.

His teams have lost a lot of playoff games that they should have won, and Favre's carelessness or risk taking have been significant factors in those losses. Ultimately, that is just who Favre is, too much of a risk taker for his own good in playoffs.

[Scott Campbell]

Yesterday was the purple 4th and 26.

[Patler]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

[gbgary]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

i hear ya!

[hoosier]

Many, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a hockey scout that it pays to take notes about players even when they are young, because it is who they are. While sometimes they can be changed to a certain extent, when crunch time comes they will instinctively react in the way that is natural for them. The trick for a scout is to evaluate if the great plays made by a 12-16 year old will be successful plays as a junior, college or pro player.

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was. Sometimes he got away with those plays, and fans cheered him for it, reinforcing something coaches probably wanted to stop. Yesterday, it came back to bite him.

Actually, I think he gets away just often enough with that throw and others like it that it reinforces the high school or college assertiveness to continue to reappear.

And he receives probably his second greatest amount of praise and approbation from his willingness to take risks and make throws just like that. Other than his toughness, it is that trait that is lauded above all else. His footwork is not Montana like, he is not as tall as Manning or Brady, his arm is not quite Jeff George, Elway or Cunningham, he does not read a defense and go through progressions like Montana, Young or Manning and his release is not Marino or Namath lethal.

His standout traits are toughness and willingness to trust his arm. If you took his belief in those two things down a notch, I think he becomes far closer to average. McGinn said the thing that stood out, after all this time, was not his physical attributes but his willfulness.

I agree completely. But it is also what has failed him most in playoff football, when everything is kicked up a notch. The risks he took that succeeded often enough to be tolerable during the regular season have failed him miserably in playoffs since the Super Bowl years. This year, he didn't take those types of risks too often, until the biggest moment on the biggest setting.

His teams have lost a lot of playoff games that they should have won, and Favre's carelessness or risk taking have been significant factors in those losses. Ultimately, that is just who Favre is, too much of a risk taker for his own good in playoffs.

I do not disagree entirely with what you're saying but just the same, when I think back on recent Packer history (let's say, starting with the loss to Denver in the '98 SB) I am not sure how many of their losses can be attributed to Favre's risk taking, at least not to the extent that we could say his risk taking cost the team a game it should have won. How many playoff games did Favre really cost the Packers after the '96 season? Maybe two?

1997: The loss to Denver was due primarily to the inability to stop Terrell Davis and their inability to deal with the Denver blitz. Favre had one pick and one fumble on a sack, compared to three passing TDs.

1998: The loss to SF = "The Catch II"

2001: The loss to St Louis in which Favre threw 6 picks. Granted that one looked pretty bad, but I don't think anyone could argue that Green Bay should have won the game or even that they would have if Favre had played better. Most of his terrible throws came after GB had already fallen behind to a more talented team.

2002: The homefield loss to Atlanta, where a Packer team depleted by injuries got thoroughly outplayed.

2003: 4th and 26. Favre's silly INT in OT in a game that the Packers had dominated certainly falls within the tendency you're describing.

2004: Wildcard loss to Minnesota at Lambeau. I admit to having repressed almost all memories of this game and can't recall what role Favre played in this loss. My gut tells me that GB simply got outplayed.

2007: The OT loss to NYG. The INT certainly cost the Packers the game, but had he not thrown that pick I could not say with any confidence that the Packers probably would have won. They were outplayed on both side of the ball for most of the game and I think the Giants were really the better team that day.

[cheesner]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

i hear ya!

Risk taking is fine, I don't think Brint succeeded more times than failing, but you don't need to in order to have success. The problem (from a vikes POV, to me it was a perfect play) with yesterdays pick was the wisdom of even taking the risk. There were just a few seconds left, you were already in field goal range. His choices were the following:

1. Make a stupid throw. 2 of the rules of QB play is never throw late to the middle of the field and never throw across your body into traffic (the angles are too easy for DBs)

2. Throw the ball away, try another play, in that doesn't work then go for the FG.

Brint went for #1.

[gbgary]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

i hear ya!

Risk taking is fine, I don't think Brint succeeded more times than failing, but you don't need to in order to have success. The problem (from a vikes POV, to me it was a perfect play) with yesterdays pick was the wisdom of even taking the risk. There were just a few seconds left, you were already in field goal range. His choices were the following:

1. Make a stupid throw. 2 of the rules of QB play is never throw late to the middle of the field and never throw across your body into traffic (the angles are too easy for DBs)

2. Throw the ball away, try another play, in that doesn't work then go for the FG.

Brint went for #1.

come on now...over the years i'll bet you said "how'd he do that", or "that was amazing" many, many, more than you said "that was too risky a throw."

[LEWCWA]

Last time Favre was in the playoffs he had his biggest comeback ever (14 pts.) He followed that up with an abysmal performance in the cold where he looked like he really didn't want to be out there

This year he broke his single postseason record for TD's in a game (4) and followed that up with another of his classic playoff performances. Favre will possibly put you in a position to win, but rest assured that mother fucker WILL rip it away and stomp on your hearts at the same time.

I pissed off a lot of Viking fans at the Card/Vike game a month ago and told them just wait, when it matters most, he will destroy you. Well, fuckers look who's laughing now. I loved seeing Favre finally fuck up this season. For the most part he played within himself and took what he was given. But none of that matters when in the biggest game of the year you fuck something up in such an elementary fashion.

I may have said I was indifferent to Favre, but yesterday I still wanted to see that bastard fuck the game up and boy did he deliver! So will this bastard retire or will he come back. Who cares now because we get to laugh at the Vikings as they deal with it and be glad we've got a top 5 young QB for the next 10 years.

Wow such emotion. You'd think this guy banged your wife or something....