OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Scott Campbell]

I would like to go Bert's HOF induction to participate in the heckling. Do you guys think the NFL will take steps to keep out all the people that hate the guy?

[Patler]

Favre might have been remembered as the greatest ever if Holmgren had stayed in Green Bay. In 7 seasons with Holmgren: 3 MVP's, 2 Super Bowls, 9-5 playoff record.

Post Holmgren: 0 MVP's, 0 Super Bowls, 4-6 playoff record.

Gotta agree with this; good point

Maybe, but I wonder. Holmgren often talked about how headstrong Favre was, and how difficult it was to control him. As Favre matured and gained fame and maybe ego, he may not have been as willing to toe the line for Holmgren either. Then again, maybe Holmgren would always have been the mentor to whom Favre would defer. Hard to know.

Of course, I am not as much of an admirer of Holmgren as some of you are. I think he was very good, but also let opportunities get away from him. I look at Holmgren being to coaching what Favre is to quarterbacking. Both are guys who were good enough to get better results than they did. In some ways neither confronted their own limitations adequately to be their best.

[Fritz]

I agree with Patler. Don't forget too that some of Favre's poorer play or records later came as he aged - one might argue that Holmgren had Favre in his physical prime..

And by the way, I agree about Holmgren as well. I really think he mishandled the second Super Bowl game as well as the entire season that followed, his last in GB.

[Pugger]

My husband has always thought that Favre was uncoachable to some extent, otherwise he wouldn't keep making the same boneheaded mistakes he does and we would never had heard of the 'disagreement' #4 and Chilly had earlier this season. BF needs a strong headed HC/father figure around to keep him in line and having a guy like Sherman all those years was probably the worse thing that could have happened to GB, BF and us fans. Sherman letting #4 do as he pleased created a monster and is why he is the way he is today. Losing his father didn't help either. Can you imagin this divorce would have gone down had Irv still been around??

[MJZiggy]

Ya know, a friend and I got into this very discussion yesterday. What would have happened had Irv still been around. I think Irv kicks him in the ass and tells him to shut up and play, that he's the QB not the coach. Irv was a coach and didn't put up with a lot of crap from what I could tell.

[mraynrand]

I would like to go Bert's HOF induction to participate in the heckling. Do you guys think the NFL will take steps to keep out all the people that hate the guy?

I plan on going and enjoying it. I've come around to the point that I realize it's probably been pretty hard for Favre to stay humble or not be a Diva when he has people kissing all his body parts all the time. When you look at a lot of Divas, they all share in common one thing: a cadre of adoring fans/sycophants who refuse to see any flaws in their dear leader. Favre is responsible for some/ a lot of this, but when ESPN allows Deanna to recite her Favre poetry twice in one broadcast, you have to ask yourself "What chance has the guy got?" The things that we all liked about Favre haven't changed much, unfortunately, we got to see too much behind the curtain and too much into the nature of the rest of his family. One wonders if the Favre downward slide into diva territory didn't really start or accelerate until 'Ole Irv bought the farm.

[Joemailman]

Ya know, a friend and I got into this very discussion yesterday. What would have happened had Irv still been around. I think Irv kicks him in the ass and tells him to shut up and play, that he's the QB not the coach. Irv was a coach and didn't put up with a lot of crap from what I could tell.

I've felt this way for a couple of years. Once Irv died, Favre was surrounded by yes people. Deanna, Bus Cook, the guy from the Biloxi newspaper. This can screw up anyone's mind. When you have people heaping adulation on you, you need someone to keep you grounded. I think that was Irv. When Irv was around, Favre always showed great respect for his coaches and the people running the Packer organization. That kind of dissipated in his later years.

[hoosier]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?

[Bretsky]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?

As I've noted time will heal all wounds and most of you will start respecting the guy enough to call him by his real name again some time after he retires.

Well, except Scott Campbell

[Scott Campbell]

That's the great thing about last Sunday. Time can't reverse that clutch choke job that kept his team out of the Superbowl. It's etched in stone for eternity.

[pbmax]

But we all are still on for going to Sharper's induction and chanting 4th and 26?

I wonder if he will take a bad angle to the podium and end up sitting in Steve Young's lap.

[Scott Campbell]

Most Famous Quote Of All Time About Brett Favre:

A) He's like a kid out there.
B) He's like a linebacker in a QB's body.
C) He's the most entertaining QB in history.
D) THIS IS NOT DETROIT!!!


It's truly amazing what you can do to your legacy with one amazingly boneheaded play.





I'd have started a poll on this if it were still legal.

[mraynrand]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?

The reason you are an ideologue is because you choose to read only that which agrees with your perspective.

Favre is responsible for some/ a lot of this

[mraynrand]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?

As I've noted time will heal all wounds and most of you will start respecting the guy enough to call him by his real name again some time after he retires.

Favre is responsible for some/ a lot of this

[Bretsky]

That's the great thing about last Sunday. Time can't reverse that clutch choke job that kept his team out of the Superbowl. It's etched in stone for eternity.

While I might agree this was his worst play of them all, most do remember that that the poor play is just a small portion of why MN is not going to the Super Bowl. Even if he does what he should Longwell still needs to nail a long field goal.....and I don't even need to remind..even you...of all the blunders by everyone else in that game...fumbles...calls...etc