OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Tarlam!]

I didn't want the Sean Payton thread to turn into a Favre discussion, so I am posting it here:

What rivets my curiosity about the decision TT made, specifically, if he'd chosen Payton instead is not whether or not the Pack would have won their NFCC game and ensuing SB. Rather, who would be the Packers QB going into this season?

I am just wondering out loud if Payton and his regime would have developed Rogers to be the future of the team, or if his style of coaching would have preferred to stay with the veteran.

[Fritz]

I had a slightly different question: did TT go with McCarthy in part because he ran the west coast, and TT did not want to rock the boat with Favre by hiring a head coach who had a whole new system?

[Scott Campbell]

Those are both great questions, and we'll probably never get the answer.

[Pugger]

His play in the first half of 2008 and last season in MN is proof he had plenty left to give to the NFL, just not to the Green Bay Packers.

If that were true, I wonder what caused him to be so spiteful of the fact that the Green Bay Packers had nothing left to give to him either. I don't think this is reality. I think he had made up his mind, then was overcome with regret after the fact and tried to force his way back in. Honestly, I think Favre is 100% committed to whatever he's saying at the time. But only at the time he says it.

You're probably right there. I suspect another reason #4 is spiteful is because the Packers wouldn't just hand the starting job back to him after he changed his mind the second time that spring. I'd bet that truly shocked him. I don't think he believed the Packers would really move on without him if he "retired."

I've been thinking lately and have come to believe the Packers never told #4 he couldn't play for GB or anyone else either. If they did the players' union would've screamed bloody murder! What is more likely is MM told Favre he could come back but he had to compete for his old job and that didn't sit to well with ol #4. To add insult to injury TT wouldn't trade him to the queens or give him his unconditional release.

[vince]

I didn't want the Sean Payton thread to turn into a Favre discussion, so I am posting it here:

What rivets my curiosity about the decision TT made, specifically, if he'd chosen Payton instead is not whether or not the Pack would have won their NFCC game and ensuing SB. Rather, who would be the Packers QB going into this season?

I am just wondering out loud if Payton and his regime would have developed Rogers to be the future of the team, or if his style of coaching would have preferred to stay with the veteran.

Are you suggesting Tar, that TT chose McCarthy because he would be more effective at successfully unseeding his hated nemesis as the starting quarterback in Green Bay?

[Gunakor]

I didn't want the Sean Payton thread to turn into a Favre discussion, so I am posting it here:

What rivets my curiosity about the decision TT made, specifically, if he'd chosen Payton instead is not whether or not the Pack would have won their NFCC game and ensuing SB. Rather, who would be the Packers QB going into this season?

I am just wondering out loud if Payton and his regime would have developed Rogers to be the future of the team, or if his style of coaching would have preferred to stay with the veteran.

Peyton probably would have stuck with Favre. Reason being, Peyton is not an extraordinary QB coach like McCarthy. To be perfectly honest, I doubt Rodgers is even drafted if Peyton is running the show. I mean, it's not like the Saints would have won anything whatsoever if they didn't bring in an already proven quarterback to start the Peyton regime there. Until Peyton proves he is even capable of developing a quarterback I have to assume he'd have ridden the Favre train until it derailed, causing a massive explosion destroying everything around it. And then where would we be?

I'm fine with McCarthy. He's won an awful lot of football games up here in Green Bay. Don't forget, we coulda ended up with Steve Mariucci or Brad Childress back then too.

[Tarlam!]

Are you suggesting Tar, that TT chose McCarthy because he would be more effective at successfully unseeding his hated nemesis as the starting quarterback in Green Bay?

Oh Lord, Vince, that was BOMNF!

[Patler]

To be perfectly honest, I doubt Rodgers is even drafted if Peyton is running the show.

Wasn't Sherman still the coach when Rodgers was drafted?

[Cleft Crusty]

All evidence points to the simple conclusion that Ted Thompson makes all his decisions in the interest of the greater good of the Packers, as he sees it. If this happened to lead to less or more happiness for Brett Favre, that would be entirely incidental. Thompson, like virtually all GMs, cares about the happiness of his players only in so much as it leads to a title.

[Scott Campbell]

To be perfectly honest, I doubt Rodgers is even drafted if Peyton is running the show.

Wasn't Sherman still the coach when Rodgers was drafted?

Yeah, and if Ted drafted Rogers as his first big move as GM, I don't see him letting Favre unduly influence who he hired as a coach the following year.

[Gunakor]

To be perfectly honest, I doubt Rodgers is even drafted if Peyton is running the show.

Wasn't Sherman still the coach when Rodgers was drafted?

Ah, you're right. Good call.

[MJZiggy]

To be perfectly honest, I doubt Rodgers is even drafted if Peyton is running the show.

Wasn't Sherman still the coach when Rodgers was drafted?

Which would have made developing his new QB a very important consideration in choosing the next coach.

[packerbacker1234]

Well I do think that #4 may have never left GB given that Peyton was the coach. Now, in that time span would we have gotten a SB with #4 at qb adn thus make any debate on what would be a better direction irrelevent is something you can't really talk about. It's all hypothetical. Everyone knows #4 has been to 2 of the last 3 nfc championships adn threw bad ints towards the end of each. Not only that, but Rodgers has been performing bassically as well as favre has in the same time span, though what favre did last season was purely astonishing. It was an MVP season and it's really not up for debate. The numbers were all set up to be better than the other 3 years he won it.

Now, I am not sure Peyton really had much of a chance when MM interviewed. Thing is, TT was pretty sold on Rodgers potentially being the future within the a 2 to 3 year window, and he wanted a coach that could groom him. He knew that "immediatly" Rodgers didn't need to start and that favre is next to uncoachable at this point in his career, but he was looking out for the best interest of the future.

Fast forward to now, sure it looks like in a "what if" situation we may have kept favre around and may possibly have added another trophy to the case, assuming he could do what he did in NO. Obviously, that would of pleased everyone because afterall, in the end, it is about winning the ring and it's not easy to do. We may be a playoff team for the next 10 seasons and never win the trophy, and almost anyone would trade those 10 seasons for a ring. Of course, we would never want to pull the raiders (go to a sb, they lost it but whatever, go to a sb, win it, and then be a shit team ever since) - but I don't think anyone is as bad as al davis to make that happen.

IN THE END, time will tell if it was the right choice. Record wise is the same, the only difference is gb fell short in 2007, and in 2009 NO didn't.

I like both so far as coaches, but I think everyone will agree this is a big year for MM. We return everyone from last season when we went 11-5, so 10 - 6 or ebtter is now expected this season, as is a playoff victory or two, possibly a championship run. Assuming that favre comes back (whatever, he needs to get the ankle surgery anyways and he retracted saying it's not even a major surgery) the vikings are still technically going to be the etam to beat in the NFC North, and naturally I would love to see us get ahead of them - but it's neat to note that the NFC North ahs two teams that could legitimitely make SB runs this year.

So, lets worry about those two teams. We want the pack all the way, and Minnesota and that #4 guy are in the way. I still like you Favre, and I do think some day we shoudl retire your number, but for now I will be indifferent and hope that when the time comes, we beat you down. I almost want a Favre lead vikings against the packers in the nfc championship. Talk about fucking hype.

[Scott Campbell]

Favre to forgo ankle surgery:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/12/report-rumor-flies-that-brett-favre-will-forego-ankle-surgery/

I guess now we know why he didn't stroll for the yardage - he was too horribly disfigured and maimed to pick up a couple of yards for Longwell.

[MJZiggy]

Favre to forgo ankle surgery:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/12/report-rumor-flies-that-brett-favre-will-forego-ankle-surgery/

I guess now we know why he didn't stroll for the yardage - he was too horribly disfigured and maimed to pick up a couple of yards for Longwell.

But not too much so to roll out to make the throw...