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[Scott Campbell]

I just hope Favre comes back for his 20th season.

To once again rip the hearts out of Viking fans?

I'd be down with that.

[BlueBrewer]

I just hope Favre comes back for his 20th season.

To once again rip the hearts out of Viking fans?

I'd be down with that.

Thats a chance I would rather not take.....

[Bretsky]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

[packerbacker1234]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

and then fumbling the game away 2 plays later. Yes, it's not always the QB's fault for fumbling, but he obviously didn't feel the pressure.

I think were just more forgiving because it was his first playoff game, but... still.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

and then fumbling the game away 2 plays later. Yes, it's not always the QB's fault for fumbling, but he obviously didn't feel the pressure.

I think were just more forgiving because it was his first playoff game, but... still.

Dude's team put up 45 points and dude put up Packer playoff record stats. Favre had average games, at best, when he choked away the 3 playoff games late.

[Joemailman]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

and then fumbling the game away 2 plays later. Yes, it's not always the QB's fault for fumbling, but he obviously didn't feel the pressure.

I think were just more forgiving because it was his first playoff game, but... still.

I'm sure he felt the pressure. He had nowhere to go. He couldn't step up to avoid the blitzer because of pressure up the middle. Check out what he was facing at the 4 second mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I4SXfr19b4

[Pugger]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

and then fumbling the game away 2 plays later. Yes, it's not always the QB's fault for fumbling, but he obviously didn't feel the pressure.

I think were just more forgiving because it was his first playoff game, but... still.

Exactly. If Rodgers still has issues like this in big games in the future we have a problem. But - a 20 year veteran should know better.

[mraynrand]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

and then fumbling the game away 2 plays later. Yes, it's not always the QB's fault for fumbling, but he obviously didn't feel the pressure.

I think were just more forgiving because it was his first playoff game, but... still.

Good point. Rodgers had some rough spots in his first playoff outing and blew a golden opportunity to win the game and then didn't protect the ball. One can only hope that this will be the exception, not the rule. Since Packer fans just experienced a HOF QB who routinely threw away big playoff games, we would hate to have the next guy do the same thing.

[Scott Campbell]

While his plays were poor, I don't think a comparison can be made between Rodgers bad passes and fumble and Favre's choke job. The significance of the stage was massive. It the immortal words of Paul Allen - THIS IS NOT DETROIT MAN, THIS IS THE SUPERBOWL.


Rodgers offending play was bad. Favre's offending play was absurdly horrific.

[pbmax]

Missing an open receiver on a 40 yd pass is bad, but its not an automatic play under any circumstance. Especially when you have had to step up a yard or two in the pocket under pressure.

The fumble WAS bad, since Rodgers either had taken responsibility for the unblocked man himself OR had called the wrong adjustment.

But even the fumble is not the same as a forced pass, when falling down would have kept your team in the game. No one had robotic control of Favre and made him attempt a bad pass. Rodgers at least was hit, even if he shared the blame.

But we are essentially arguing about the better way to die. I would rather not make that choice. Rodgers has shown the ability to learn from his mistakes. Something an older Favre seemed to stop doing around 1999.

[Scott Campbell]

Missing an open receiver on a 40 yd pass is bad, but its not an automatic play under any circumstance. Especially when you have had to step up a yard or two in the pocket under pressure.

The fumble WAS bad, since Rodgers either had taken responsibility for the unblocked man himself OR had called the wrong adjustment.

But even the fumble is not the same as a forced pass, when falling down would have kept your team in the game. No one had robotic control of Favre and made him attempt a bad pass. Rodgers at least was hit, even if he shared the blame.

But we are essentially arguing about the better way to die. I would rather not make that choice. Rodgers has shown the ability to learn from his mistakes. Something an older Favre seemed to stop doing around 1999.

And Rodgers was the brightest of the bright spots in that game. He appeared to carry the team for much of the game.

Some of this just sounds like sour grapes from those looking to diminish the magnitude Bert's meltdown.

[Pugger]

Missing an open receiver down field like Rodgers did in OT hurts but that particular play didn't hurt as much as turning it over like Favre did in NO. Rodgers pass fell harmlessly to the ground and we could come back for another play. In the NFC Champ game MN never saw the ball again after #4's INT.

[Gunakor]

Both teams had trouble moving the ball consistently up to that point. Both teams made mistakes on defense. Both FG kickers had trouble putting the ball through the uprights. Regulation time is a wash. Both teams had their chance to put the game away in regulation and neither could do it.

But once the clock was reset and the OT period begins, the slate is wiped clean, there is no score, first team to score wins. Once we got there, the previous 60 minutes matter very little IMO. Brand new game. We got the ball. Favre gave it away on the Packers side of the field. Not because he was hurried, or pressured, or scrambling around trying to buy time. He planted, sitting comfortably in the pocket, and threw a ball that sailed right into the waiting hands of a NY defensive back looking for his 15 minutes of fame. We lost. That's what happened. There's really nothing else to say.

I don't agree with the logic.........but........if you are going to apply it

You can make a very similar argument for Aaron Rodgers missing a Wide Open Greg Jennings streaking free on the long ball that would have ended the game with a good throw.

Rodgers didn't lose the game by missing Jennings. He could have won it there, I agree, but missing that throw didn't lose the game. Rodgers and his offense still had another shot. Favre's INT on the Packers side of the field pretty much was the final nail in that season's coffin.

That and Favre's INT was a 10 yard pattern while Rodgers' miss was a deep pattern, so the difficulty factor was much higher on Rodgers attempt.

Rodgers' fumble a few plays later lost the game, but it was different circumstances entirely. Look at that infamous photo of the Favre INT again. He was sitting comfortably in the pocket. He made an awful throw and it cost us the game. Rodgers had a defender's finger hooked around his facemask when he fumbled the ball and another guy right there too. Favre, nobody near him. Rodgers, under heavy duress. Huge difference.

Besides, Rodgers has played in just one playoff game in his career. Favre has played in a couple dozen of them now. You'd expect a veteran to handle that pressure better than a second year starter playing in his first postseason overtime would handle it.

[Scott Campbell]

Antrel Rolle after the game:

"Let me tell you something - that dude is scary. We have a great defense and we were up on him and ready to pounce, and he found ways to tear us apart.

"I don't ever want to face him again in my life. I am dead serious. I'll face Drew Brees any day of the week before I face him again."

[BlueBrewer]

Antrel Rolle after the game:

"Let me tell you something - that dude is scary. We have a great defense and we were up on him and ready to pounce, and he found ways to tear us apart.

"I don't ever want to face him again in my life. I am dead serious. I'll face Drew Brees any day of the week before I face him again."

That was my silver lining. I love that quote.