OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[woodbuck27]

The really funny part about this is that he doesn't even know what year he is talking about. It was 2007 that TT thought he had gotten Moss from the Raiders for a 4th round pick.

It was the 2007 season that we made the NFC CHampionship game. A few weeks later BF had retired. It was 2007 that Moss put up the 23 TDs for NE. In 2008 BF was moved to NYJ and 2009 he went to MINN.

You are arguing facts in wrong years.

Sure in your need to put down anyone that may have a point you disagree with you have to draw on small minded stuff to propose your the man.

I simply admit my error man.

Yes all that Moss and maybe becoming a Packer stuff went down
(April - 2007) and that preceded Favre going to ' the Jets ' for the 2008 season and ohh my gosh THANKS again, I forgot. Favre becoming a Viking last season or in 2009.

Thanks for the help.

THANKS for helping me get that ' absolutely ' correct.

NO better 'of course' your always right. I've noticed that.

Actually, I wanted to clarify because a 2008 timeline supports your position of Favre feeling TT wasn't supporting a 2008 run for the Super Bowl and Favre then wanting out.

Ahhhh excuse me but I believe that TT and MM knew exactly what role Favre was going to be playing in 2008. I believe that one day 'the real story' will reveal that TRUTH.

TT wanted to go to Aaron Rodgers and had to play it cute. He wanted to make the Packers his team and the only obstacle to that result was Favre and his strong desire to win now. Favre wanted TT to fuel the team to be really solid, as we saw Wolf do when we last won the Super Bowl. TT was always 'the plodder'.

I believe we will one day learn that; that plodding style of TT's, annoyed Brett Favre as it did some members here. I believe that he informed TT of that and their relationship became strained.

Maybe we'll find that Favre and TT were more than less on the same page too. They both realized it was time to divorce. For Aaron Rodgers to get his career really started.

I felt thatb way and I love Brett Favre. I wanted him anywhere but in a Packer uniform. I couldn't handle TT anymore in terms of the way he certainly appeared to me to be holding back.

I will never change my position on this folks. It's just too clear to me. I watched it all too closely.

GO PACK GO.

[woodbuck27]

WB

Just a few quick points.

You are right that we don't know the whole story, but I feel when you look at what we do know it is heavily weighted towards TT.

Favre is the one who went on TV to plead his case. What horrible facts did we learn as to how he had been so wronged? None. The Packers sent out a very thorough, very detailed timeline regarding what happened in regards to contact with Favre, scheduling a plane to announce his retirement, Favre calling back and saying forget it. Guess what? Favre couldn't deny or refute any of it. That right there tells me that there was a lot more truth in the organization's story then Favre's. Why would Favre have held anything back? He was already burning bridges as it was.

If Favre's main complaint was that TT wouldn't let him play GM, then then boo fuckin boo. That wasn't his job and he had no right to play GM.

Moreover, look at how Favre has acted since then. Retired from the Jets and then asked for his retirement "just because." Booked hotel rooms the weekend of Packers-Vikings game while still a member of the Jets.

When it comes down to a truth-telling contest between the Packers and Favre there is no question in my mind who I should believe. Favre hasn't given me reason to believe a single word that comes out of his mouth.

Woodbuck I am awaiting your reply.

Sorry but right now I have an audience with 'the Pope'.

GO PACK GO!

[MichiganPackerFan]

[Fritz]

Favre didn't really "betray" anyone. It's a business and he wanted to work at the place of his choice.

He handled it badly. Butchered it. Showed himself to be more selfish and manipulative than people had hoped. Threw a few folks under busses attempting to make himself appear to be an "innocent" when he was not, at all.

But he didn't "betray" anyone.

Still, I liked that sign!

[Scott Campbell]

I would very much enjoy seeing him get smacked around again tonight.

[get louder at lambeau]

I would very much enjoy seeing him get smacked around again tonight.

Break a leg Brett!


No, seriously.

[cheesner]

Favre didn't really "betray" anyone. It's a business and he wanted to work at the place of his choice.

He handled it badly. Butchered it. Showed himself to be more selfish and manipulative than people had hoped. Threw a few folks under busses attempting to make himself appear to be an "innocent" when he was not, at all.

But he didn't "betray" anyone.

Still, I liked that sign!

I would say he betrayed Campen, or whoever it was that went to talk to him and he betrayed his confidence by talking to the media about it.

Favre contacted Detroit GM, Matt Millen, and told him 'inside' info on how to beat the Packers. I would call this a betrayal.

Favre admits he wanted to play for the Vikings so that he could 'stick it' to TT. TT is a Packer. When BF said this he was saying, IMO, that he wanted to stick it to the Packers as an organization. I consider this a betrayal.

[Scott Campbell]

Favre didn't really "betray" anyone. It's a business and he wanted to work at the place of his choice.

He handled it badly. Butchered it. Showed himself to be more selfish and manipulative than people had hoped. Threw a few folks under busses attempting to make himself appear to be an "innocent" when he was not, at all.

But he didn't "betray" anyone.

Still, I liked that sign!

I would say he betrayed Campen, or whoever it was that went to talk to him and he betrayed his confidence by talking to the media about it.

Favre contacted Detroit GM, Matt Millen, and told him 'inside' info on how to beat the Packers. I would call this a betrayal.

Favre admits he wanted to play for the Vikings so that he could 'stick it' to TT. TT is a Packer. When BF said this he was saying, IMO, that he wanted to stick it to the Packers as an organization. I consider this a betrayal.

The jury has spoken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-L5UyGDlVM

[mission]

I would very much enjoy seeing him get smacked around again tonight.

Break a leg Brett!


No, seriously.

No, really.

That interview they just had up there... his "we could have been there easily" talk is just pathetic. When exactly did Favre fall from grace? He's just gone off the deep end; never remember Montana doing interviews like that.

[Pugger]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

[Tarlam!]

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

I'm still bitter. I spent $200 dollars on his Packers uniforrm for one. But I'm bitter that he acted the way he did and basically shat on all Packer fans.

[mission]

Bitter is the wrong word. Bitter is like me wishing I still had my ex-girlfriend who is now with another dude.

There's a certain feeling you have when you were with that crazy ***** and you tried to break up with her and it kept dragging on... then you finally moved on and starting banging some new chicks. That's more of the kind of relief most Packers fans have. We love our new life and almost wish we would have done it sooner. We don't have to start liking him now -- it's ok to move on. I have, just don't wonder why I don't love the guy.

[channtheman]

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

I'm still bitter. I spent $200 dollars on his Packers uniforrm for one. But I'm bitter that he acted the way he did and basically shat on all Packer fans.

And if we still had Spencer Havner on the team, I would advise you to convert your jersey. Unfortunately, with the news from the last week, that is now no longer a viable option either.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Favre didn't really "betray" anyone. It's a business and he wanted to work at the place of his choice.

He handled it badly. Butchered it. Showed himself to be more selfish and manipulative than people had hoped. Threw a few folks under busses attempting to make himself appear to be an "innocent" when he was not, at all.

But he didn't "betray" anyone.

Still, I liked that sign!

Agree and sign was funny

[woodbuck27]

Randy Moss stats from NFL.com:

2009 New England Patriots 16 16 83 1,264 15.2 71T 13
2008 New England Patriots 16 16 69 1,008 14.6 76T 11
2007 New England Patriots 16 16 98 1,493 15.2 65T 23

I hope this helps show that Moss went to NE in 2007 to catch 23 TDs.

What I see is Randy Moss and 47 TD catch's in only three seasons in New England; plus an average of > 1250 yards /season.

15 + avg. TD's / season = outstanding.