OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[packerbacker1234]

Another Favre come from behind win.

Gotta give him credit. It was the better side of Favre out there at the end of the game. That TD pass to Shiancoe was pretty nice.

I caught a little bit of his press conference. He openly admitted that at times, he personally likes his back against the wall when he doesn't need to feel "bad" about taking risks, because they have no way to get back into it without it. It's been odd seeing people still clamoring for T-Jack when, down by 14, not sure anyone but a risk taker such as favre has a "chance" at that come back. He had to take some risks with some really tight throws.

TD pass was dead on. I am pissed the vikings pulled it out in OT, but I can't deny the fact that the game was much more entertaining thanks to #4.

I don't know why exactly, but risk taking just makes me all giddy.

[Scott Campbell]

Another Favre come from behind win.

Predictable post

great way to encourage people to come around

I thought Favre played great down the stretch today for a change. More than likely it's too little too late. But at least he has a pulse.

[RashanGary]

I saw a couple nice passes from Favre that game. One seemed simple and didn't end up in a TD, but it was a swing pass to Gerhert. Favre threw it well before Gerhert was looking and just skimmed it by a LB who was in good position, but not in posiiton to look for the ball. It went just passed the LB and hit Gerhert right when he turned. He threw him open like very few QB's really do. Gerhart should have had a TD, but he sucks. The 2nd throw was that Shiancoe TD pass. That was a brilliant throw.

His mobility is at an all time low and it is starting to cost him. He's not a guy you would look up to in any other way than football. When it comes to playing football though, he knows how to play with the best of them and his body still has just enough left to have some flashes of brilliance.

To be completely honest, he makes some throws that I wish Rodgers would make but somehow doubt he'll ever attempt let alone complete. Rodgers has the legs though and I trust him more with ball security. Today, I think we have the better QB, but there are things Favre still does that I wish Rodgers would do. Favre throws guys open better and understands defenses in a way where if he knows a guy has his back to him, he'll just skim it by him. Rodgers treats defenders backs almost like they were facing him.

[packerbacker1234]

I saw a couple nice passes from Favre that game. One seemed simple and didn't end up in a TD, but it was a swing pass to Gerhert. Favre threw it well before Gerhert was looking and just skimmed it by a LB who was in good position, but not in posiiton to look for the ball. It went just passed the LB and hit Gerhert right when he turned. He threw him open like very few QB's really do. Gerhart should have had a TD, but he sucks. The 2nd throw was that Shiancoe TD pass. That was a brilliant throw.

His mobility is at an all time low and it is starting to cost him. He's not a guy you would look up to in any other way than football. When it comes to playing football though, he knows how to play with the best of them and his body still has just enough left to have some flashes of brilliance.

To be completely honest, he makes some throws that I wish Rodgers would make but somehow doubt he'll ever attempt let alone complete. Rodgers has the legs though and I trust him more with ball security. Today, I think we have the better QB, but there are things Favre still does that I wish Rodgers would do. Favre throws guys open better and understands defenses in a way where if he knows a guy has his back to him, he'll just skim it by him. Rodgers treats defenders backs almost like they were facing him.

Yeah, he can't do everything he could in his younger years, but you can definitely see the difference in his experience and knowledge of the game in comparison to Rodgers. Rodgers will get there as he moves on, but somet hings Favre does it is unrealistic to expect that of Rodgers. Favre may throw some picks, but he really has some pinpoint accuracy at times that is just scary good.

With the talent on Minnesota, he just has to play within himself. Can he still scramble some? Sure, he showed that today. Fractures in the foot and all, he can move around a tad, and still has that uncanny ability to buy extra time in the pocket with subtle movements. Sometimes he doesn't get that chance - int int eh endzone as an example. You just aren't going to avoid pressure when it's untouched up the middle, but he showed SOME mobility today.

He can't do that all game, but he shouldn't have to. What I saw from Favre today seemed to be a massive change in his mindset. He made a commitment this week to spread the ball around. Sure, Harvin was clearly the go to guy, but 6 people at 4 or more catches. Clearly a commitment to reading the defense and throwing to open guys.

That may have happened due to practice time finally paying off. Berrian and him seemed in sync, and Rice looks like he could be back if not for chicago, definitely for us.

Impressed, overall, with his play today. He does do a few things that I will miss, things I wish AR did, but at this point AR is probably the better of the two. AR makes more plays with his legs, but a big credit to Favre for even making it a debate still at 41.

Very good game overall from Favre. Hope he doesn't continue to paly that well the rest of the way, but like I said... he still has something left.

[Bossman641]

I saw a couple nice passes from Favre that game. One seemed simple and didn't end up in a TD, but it was a swing pass to Gerhert. Favre threw it well before Gerhert was looking and just skimmed it by a LB who was in good position, but not in posiiton to look for the ball. It went just passed the LB and hit Gerhert right when he turned. He threw him open like very few QB's really do. Gerhart should have had a TD, but he sucks. The 2nd throw was that Shiancoe TD pass. That was a brilliant throw.

His mobility is at an all time low and it is starting to cost him. He's not a guy you would look up to in any other way than football. When it comes to playing football though, he knows how to play with the best of them and his body still has just enough left to have some flashes of brilliance.

To be completely honest, he makes some throws that I wish Rodgers would make but somehow doubt he'll ever attempt let alone complete. Rodgers has the legs though and I trust him more with ball security. Today, I think we have the better QB, but there are things Favre still does that I wish Rodgers would do. Favre throws guys open better and understands defenses in a way where if he knows a guy has his back to him, he'll just skim it by him. Rodgers treats defenders backs almost like they were facing him.

Yeah, he can't do everything he could in his younger years, but you can definitely see the difference in his experience and knowledge of the game in comparison to Rodgers. Rodgers will get there as he moves on, but somet hings Favre does it is unrealistic to expect that of Rodgers. Favre may throw some picks, but he really has some pinpoint accuracy at times that is just scary good.

With the talent on Minnesota, he just has to play within himself. Can he still scramble some? Sure, he showed that today. Fractures in the foot and all, he can move around a tad, and still has that uncanny ability to buy extra time in the pocket with subtle movements. Sometimes he doesn't get that chance - int int eh endzone as an example. You just aren't going to avoid pressure when it's untouched up the middle, but he showed SOME mobility today.

He can't do that all game, but he shouldn't have to. What I saw from Favre today seemed to be a massive change in his mindset. He made a commitment this week to spread the ball around. Sure, Harvin was clearly the go to guy, but 6 people at 4 or more catches. Clearly a commitment to reading the defense and throwing to open guys.

That may have happened due to practice time finally paying off. Berrian and him seemed in sync, and Rice looks like he could be back if not for chicago, definitely for us.

Impressed, overall, with his play today. He does do a few things that I will miss, things I wish AR did, but at this point AR is probably the better of the two. AR makes more plays with his legs, but a big credit to Favre for even making it a debate still at 41.

Very good game overall from Favre. Hope he doesn't continue to paly that well the rest of the way, but like I said... he still has something left.

Sorry to throw water on your fire here PB, but Arizona isn't exactly a stout defense. 21st against the pass, 29th against the run. 31st in PPG.

[packerbacker1234]

I saw a couple nice passes from Favre that game. One seemed simple and didn't end up in a TD, but it was a swing pass to Gerhert. Favre threw it well before Gerhert was looking and just skimmed it by a LB who was in good position, but not in posiiton to look for the ball. It went just passed the LB and hit Gerhert right when he turned. He threw him open like very few QB's really do. Gerhart should have had a TD, but he sucks. The 2nd throw was that Shiancoe TD pass. That was a brilliant throw.

His mobility is at an all time low and it is starting to cost him. He's not a guy you would look up to in any other way than football. When it comes to playing football though, he knows how to play with the best of them and his body still has just enough left to have some flashes of brilliance.

To be completely honest, he makes some throws that I wish Rodgers would make but somehow doubt he'll ever attempt let alone complete. Rodgers has the legs though and I trust him more with ball security. Today, I think we have the better QB, but there are things Favre still does that I wish Rodgers would do. Favre throws guys open better and understands defenses in a way where if he knows a guy has his back to him, he'll just skim it by him. Rodgers treats defenders backs almost like they were facing him.

Yeah, he can't do everything he could in his younger years, but you can definitely see the difference in his experience and knowledge of the game in comparison to Rodgers. Rodgers will get there as he moves on, but somet hings Favre does it is unrealistic to expect that of Rodgers. Favre may throw some picks, but he really has some pinpoint accuracy at times that is just scary good.

With the talent on Minnesota, he just has to play within himself. Can he still scramble some? Sure, he showed that today. Fractures in the foot and all, he can move around a tad, and still has that uncanny ability to buy extra time in the pocket with subtle movements. Sometimes he doesn't get that chance - int int eh endzone as an example. You just aren't going to avoid pressure when it's untouched up the middle, but he showed SOME mobility today.

He can't do that all game, but he shouldn't have to. What I saw from Favre today seemed to be a massive change in his mindset. He made a commitment this week to spread the ball around. Sure, Harvin was clearly the go to guy, but 6 people at 4 or more catches. Clearly a commitment to reading the defense and throwing to open guys.

That may have happened due to practice time finally paying off. Berrian and him seemed in sync, and Rice looks like he could be back if not for chicago, definitely for us.

Impressed, overall, with his play today. He does do a few things that I will miss, things I wish AR did, but at this point AR is probably the better of the two. AR makes more plays with his legs, but a big credit to Favre for even making it a debate still at 41.

Very good game overall from Favre. Hope he doesn't continue to paly that well the rest of the way, but like I said... he still has something left.

Sorry to throw water on your fire here PB, but Arizona isn't exactly a stout defense. 21st against the pass, 29th against the run. 31st in PPG.

Does that change the fact he played a good game? Packers played some statistically poor defenses this year and still struggled.

[Scott Campbell]

He might just be the best creepy douche in the NFL - if you like that sort of thing.

[Scott Campbell]

I love what his own head coach had to say about him -
"I'm not gonna be here and be like Favre and tell you that I need a hug," Childress said.

[channtheman]

Over 100 rating for the old, over the hill, cheating "douche". Say what you want, but the man can still play football.

Yes he can still play. Doesn't make him not a douche or not an asshole. It was a lot easier to cheer for him when he played for the Packers and the off field drama was under the covers. Now, he is just annoying and I just want him to go away.

One last thing kinda off topic, but you can see how much ole Bert has changed from his injury against the Pats last week. I didn't think I'd ever see Favre have to be carted off the field for a chin injury. Kind of pathetic.

[packerbacker1234]

Over 100 rating for the old, over the hill, cheating "douche". Say what you want, but the man can still play football.

Yes he can still play. Doesn't make him not a douche or not an asshole. It was a lot easier to cheer for him when he played for the Packers and the off field drama was under the covers. Now, he is just annoying and I just want him to go away.

One last thing kinda off topic, but you can see how much ole Bert has changed from his injury against the Pats last week. I didn't think I'd ever see Favre have to be carted off the field for a chin injury. Kind of pathetic.

Eh, it looked like that was more or less to keep him stable, not have the cut jaw move. It clearly bothered him at times during this last game, so I can't even imagine what it looked like and felt like when it happened.

And I have always been able to seperate off field stuff with on field. Honestly, if Favre wants to fuck up his marriage? That's his business, not mine. I watch football to be entertained, and as much as I hate the fact the vikings won, that game was 10 times more entertaining because of him playing in it.

[CaptainKickass]

I saw this quote today elsewhere online and I immediately thought it resembles BF and also this thread to some extent:

"It was and continues to be a Greek Tragedy. We all know how Brett is going to turn out and he is powerless to prevent the inevitable."

Then I thought - what exactly does that mean? I think this pretty much sums it up:

The philosopher Aristotle said that tragedy is characterized by seriousness and dignity involving a great person who experiences a reversal of fortune. Tragedy results in a catharsis (emotional cleansing) or healing for the audience through their experience of these emotions - in response to the suffering of the characters in the drama.

This reversal of fortune must be caused by hamartia, which is often mistranslated as a character flaw, but is more correctly translated as a mistake (original Greek hamartanein, a sporting term that refers to an archer or spear-thrower missing his target). According to Aristotle, "The change to bad fortune which he undergoes is due to a a mistake of some kind."

The reversal is the inevitable but unforeseen result. Exactly what constitutes a "tragedy", however, is a frequently debated matter.

[Iron Mike]

[Fritz]

I saw this quote today elsewhere online and I immediately thought it resembles BF and also this thread to some extent:

"It was and continues to be a Greek Tragedy. We all know how Brett is going to turn out and he is powerless to prevent the inevitable."

Then I thought - what exactly does that mean? I think this pretty much sums it up:

The philosopher Aristotle said that tragedy is characterized by seriousness and dignity involving a great person who experiences a reversal of fortune. Tragedy results in a catharsis (emotional cleansing) or healing for the audience through their experience of these emotions - in response to the suffering of the characters in the drama.

This reversal of fortune must be caused by hamartia, which is often mistranslated as a character flaw, but is more correctly translated as a mistake (original Greek hamartanein, a sporting term that refers to an archer or spear-thrower missing his target). According to Aristotle, "The change to bad fortune which he undergoes is due to a a mistake of some kind."

The reversal is the inevitable but unforeseen result. Exactly what constitutes a "tragedy", however, is a frequently debated matter.

While the exact nature of tragedy is debated, one element that the playwright Arthur Miller shares with Aristotle is the idea that the tragic hero must recognize his mistake - often thought of as a mistake of pride or arrogance. Think of Oedipus, who insists on knowing the truth, confident he can (paraphrasing Jack Nicholson's character here) handle the truth.

In terms of Favre, his fatal flaw is that same sense of arrogance - that the rules (rules about monogamy in marriage, rules about Father Time catching up, rules about blocking someone's legs) don't really apply to him.

However, if Favre never recognizes his character flaw, then he's not a tragic hero. He's just ignorant.

The play in merely entering the third act.

[pbmax]

I saw this quote today elsewhere online and I immediately thought it resembles BF and also this thread to some extent:

"It was and continues to be a Greek Tragedy. We all know how Brett is going to turn out and he is powerless to prevent the inevitable."

Then I thought - what exactly does that mean? I think this pretty much sums it up:

The philosopher Aristotle said that tragedy is characterized by seriousness and dignity involving a great person who experiences a reversal of fortune. Tragedy results in a catharsis (emotional cleansing) or healing for the audience through their experience of these emotions - in response to the suffering of the characters in the drama.

This reversal of fortune must be caused by hamartia, which is often mistranslated as a character flaw, but is more correctly translated as a mistake (original Greek hamartanein, a sporting term that refers to an archer or spear-thrower missing his target). According to Aristotle, "The change to bad fortune which he undergoes is due to a a mistake of some kind."

The reversal is the inevitable but unforeseen result. Exactly what constitutes a "tragedy", however, is a frequently debated matter.

While the exact nature of tragedy is debated, one element that the playwright Arthur Miller shares with Aristotle is the idea that the tragic hero must recognize his mistake - often thought of as a mistake of pride or arrogance. Think of Oedipus, who insists on knowing the truth, confident he can (paraphrasing Jack Nicholson's character here) handle the truth.

In terms of Favre, his fatal flaw is that same sense of arrogance - that the rules (rules about monogamy in marriage, rules about Father Time catching up, rules about blocking someone's legs) don't really apply to him.

However, if Favre never recognizes his character flaw, then he's not a tragic hero. He's just ignorant.

The play in merely entering the third act.

My favorite literature class at college was taught by a professor who believed, with some evidence at hand, that the notion of hubris and its role in Greek tragedies was overstated and misunderstood. The word itself, Hebrew in origin if I remember correctly, was not well known to the Greeks at the time many works were created.

Greeks, in his reading of their literary development, were interested in the notion of arete, a literal and metaphorical effort to bring forth and to make known, to come from the unknown. To come out of hiding and reveal oneself. In today's terms, to make yourself and your goals known publicly and accept all challenges that result.

Odysseus, already suffering the wrath of Poseidon for his actions in the Trojan War and its aftermath, consistently puts himself in harms way, to the point a modern reader thinks Odysseus has suffered Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. To escape or be rescued, in each case, Odysseus' true nature and name are at first hidden, literally (in leaves) and figuratively (false name) from the people he encounters, including a Queen named Arete. Eventually, in each case Odysseus must leave the shadows, announce his presence and reveal his true self, in some cases to his immediate detriment, but usually to his eventual salvation.

A somewhat modern equivalent might be James Bond.

And that would make Jenn Sterger either a Siren or Ms. Moneypenny.

And so this Greek tragedy may not end until Odysseus/Favre has tempted fate and the Gods a few more times and survives using his own skills and the help of impressed friends and benefactors, until he return home to the island plantation of Ithaca/Hattiesburg to drive off his wife's suitors.

[Scott Campbell]

Written by CheeseCityFan over at SportsBubbler:





Come hear the epic tale of the hero, Favros, who was blessed by the gods with superhuman strength and endurance in throwing the leather disc, but was also cursed by them with a fatal flaw for his hubris. Our tale finds Favros and his consort, Deanna, exiled from the kingdom of Lambos on the shores of the Bay of Green when he clashed wills with the ruler of the kingdom of Lambos, Theodore the Snow-haired one, when Favros, in a fit of indecision and hubris first let go of the mantle of leadership and then took it, and then let it go, and then took it up, and then let it go. Theodore the Snow-haird exiled Favros and his consort to the Kingdom of Gotham where he had some success in hurling the leather disk until the gods struck his arm causing it go dead. Favros was then permitted to leave the Kingdom of Gotham and continue his wanderings.

Hippocrates Andrews repaired the arm of Favros in the spring and Favros wandered to the land of the Heidi-hairs, to the kingdom of the Berserkers in purple, lead by the cognitively disabled ruler, Chillios, who also doubles as a charioteer in his spare time. After much entreating by Chillios, and the payment of a king's ransom, Favros agrees to hurl the leather disc for the Heidi-hairs as he continues his quest for vindication over Theodore the Snow-haired and his search for the ever-elusive and much coveted Trophy of Lombardos which Favros once held in his younger years.

After much success hurling the leather disc and conquering the minions of Theodore the Snow-haired, Favros still sought the Trophy of Lombardos and was one contest away from dueling Manning the Younger, general of the Blue Equines, for possession of it, needing to conquer the army of the kingdom of The Big Easy. It was a fiercely fought contest. Many strong warriors attacked Favros savagely, yet, he still remained in the battle. Victory was in sight. However, in a key skirmish Favros hears the harpies calling in the secondary, "I'm open. I'm open. I'm open."

Favros falls prey to his inability to ignore the harpies and his hubris in trusting the strength of his right arm. Defenders from out of nowhere take possession of the leather disc and Favros and Heidi-hairs lose the contest. The football gods punish Favros for his hubris.

What will happen to Favros next? Will he remain with the Heidi-hairs? Will he take his shield and sword and retire to the Bayou Kingdom?

Only the gods know.