OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Tarlam!]

does that mean if we cut Driver he would hate minn if they persued him? Hardly - this is a business, players don't get too wrapped up in that stuff once you get off the field.

Javon Walker and Mike McKenzie left GB under a cloud and we had Schadenfreude with Walker and a bad taste in our mouths with MM. Longwell bagged on the city of GB, so obviously we dislike him and cheer every miss. Sharper in purple didn't bother many of us and we usually laughed when Minnie picked up GB retreads.

But, Lombardi retired, came out and coached elsewhere - he remains an idol to this day. Reggie White? Similar.

I seriously doubt if Al Harris or Kampman went to/go to Minnie a wave of hate would develop.

All of the above know this is a business. All of the above put their own interests first (except Al, who was cut). So, there are ways to go play for Minnie or other teams post GB without invoking hatred amongst the fans.

I will never forgive him, personally. I don't care what he did off the field. He broke my heart over and over again. And he did it purposely.

[mraynrand]

It's up to Favre. He's gotta do some major repair work. Good luck to him. I'd like to be able to go down and have that big HOF induction bash in 5 years and feel clean about it. Also, I blew $12 on those Favre glasses and I'd like at least a 2% ROI.

[mraynrand]

On a related note, I reviewed that loss at Tampa in 2002 recently, and doggone it but didn't those interceptions change! Back then, I was certain the receivers ran the wrong routes (So were Chris Collinsworth and Troy Aikman), but this time, it really looked like Favre forced several very bad passes. Perspective, perspective!

[LP]

He broke my heart over and over again. And he did it purposely.

Exactly right. And therefor I shall not forgive him. Purposely.

[pbmax]

I don't think it will take that long. I would bet its a mostly favorable crowd the season after his induction.

Rodgers has succeeded and won a Super Bowl. Favre can no longer make fans regret the move, the Packers look like they made the correct decision. I know the first Vikings year hardened feelings in a way that the Jets year did not, but the Packers have had too much success now post Favre.

I have no doubt he'll hear Boos, but they will give way or be drowned out.

I think its far more likely that Favre wants to wait and be certain of a favorable reaction. He's very conscious about how he is perceived and probably doesn't want to take a risk.

I was an early jumper off the bandwagon, but the Packers came out of this smelling like roses and I think people will be mostly magnanimous.

[swede]

I don't think it will take that long. I would bet its a mostly favorable crowd the season after his induction.

Rodgers has succeeded and won a Super Bowl. Favre can no longer make fans regret the move, the Packers look like they made the correct decision. I know the first Vikings year hardened feelings in a way that the Jets year did not, but the Packers have had too much success now post Favre.

I have no doubt he'll hear Boos, but they will give way or be drowned out.

I think its far more likely that Favre wants to wait and be certain of a favorable reaction. He's very conscious about how he is perceived and probably doesn't want to take a risk.

...I think people will be mostly magnanimous.

To your bolded point, absolutely, and Mark Murphy has to be careful as well. He wants to give our fans time to forgive, but waiting too long might further strain the relationship with BF. The build-up to the big day may have to be engineered by Ari Fleischer and Dr. Phil.

[mraynrand]

Moooon River!

Using the whole fist there Doc?

[RashanGary]

Is that really what we're upset about in GB? Are we truly mad at Brett because he couldn't make up his mind on retiring or not? Are we really still even clinging on to that as a reason to dislike the guy?

Sure, some will claim foul play with how he and left and that is fine - the reason for rampant hatred of him is because he played for Minnesota above all else. You think he is going to ever admit that was a mistake? Should eh admit it? He had the best statistical season of his entire career playing for them.

I never get mad at players being selfish and making selfish decisions because that is the nature of the game, and that is the nature of humans. Yes, it's well known I respect Favre the player and I do not condone his off the field actions, but he played for and almost took our enemies to the SB. Without saying publicly that was a mistake, us fans will always boo him - even 10 years later, even if in that 10 years he apologizes for the will he wont he stuff.

I never expect him to admit that was mistake, because 2009 was one of his best seasons ever. He shouldn't feel bad about it. It just went to show you that once your off that field on sunday - the players aren't as big into rivalries as the fans. We may hate minn, does that mean if we cut Driver he would hate minn if they persued him? Hardly - this is a business, players don't get too wrapped up in that stuff once you get off the field.

I think Favre should admit that instead of showing up to work with the team like they asked, he refused, the Packers set a deadline, he retired and the Packers moved on. He should apologize to Ted for trying to throw him under the bus. He should admit the Packers were obviously doing what was best for the team, but he thought he knew better and made it a big ugly mess because of it.

Because he thinks all of the things he did were fine, I don't think anyone is going to welcome him with open arms. He'll get boo'd back to Mississippi. If he apologized for that mess without trying to blame anyone else indirectly, he'd be welcomed back tomorrow.

[Bossman641]

I think Favre should admit that instead of showing up to work with the team like they asked, he refused, the Packers set a deadline, he retired and the Packers moved on. He should apologize to Ted for trying to throw him under the bus. He should admit the Packers were obviously doing what was best for the team, but he thought he knew better and made it a big ugly mess because of it.

Because he thinks all of the things he did were fine, I don't think anyone is going to welcome him with open arms. He'll get boo'd back to Mississippi. If he apologized for that mess without trying to blame anyone else indirectly, he'd be welcomed back tomorrow.

This!

Time heals some wounds, but when Favre shows no remorse or sorrow over anything then it will be difficult for many to forgive him.

[Pugger]

Javon Walker and Mike McKenzie left GB under a cloud and we had Schadenfreude with Walker and a bad taste in our mouths with MM. Longwell bagged on the city of GB, so obviously we dislike him and cheer every miss. Sharper in purple didn't bother many of us and we usually laughed when Minnie picked up GB retreads.

But, Lombardi retired, came out and coached elsewhere - he remains an idol to this day. Reggie White? Similar.

I seriously doubt if Al Harris or Kampman went to/go to Minnie a wave of hate would develop.

All of the above know this is a business. All of the above put their own interests first (except Al, who was cut). So, there are ways to go play for Minnie or other teams post GB without invoking hatred amongst the fans.

I will never forgive him, personally. I don't care what he did off the field. He broke my heart over and over again. And he did it purposely.

I don't remember Reggie or Lombardi behaving like #4 did after his first "retirement." I doubt Favre will come anywhere near the Wisconsin border as long as TT and MM are running things at 1265.

[HowardRoark]

They should just stick the damn #4 up on the ring on May 8th, or some other innocuous date this year when no one is around except for the maintenance crews. Get it over with….it’s going to happen.

[MJZiggy]

Holy crap, an actual discussion broke out in THIS thread. Next thing you know there'll be tolerable ideas-based discussion in FYI.

I don't see Favre being forgiven any time soon. I think it was the phrase, "If I can't play with you, let me play against you," coupled with the fact that he did. And still held a grudge after that disregarding how the fans would feel about it and assuming we'd just still love him anyway because, you know, he's Good Ol' Brett. Didn't quite work out that way and we'll need a little conciliatory gesture to at least acknowledge the fact that we have the right to love our team more than the former face of it.

[mraynrand]

Holy crap, an actual discussion broke out in THIS thread. Next thing you know there'll be tolerable ideas-based discussion in FYI.

[mraynrand]

They should just stick the damn #4 up on the ring on May 8th, or some other innocuous date this year when no one is around except for the maintenance crews. Get it over with….it’s going to happen.

I think he can't go up on the ring until he is in the HOF. So sometime five years from now.

Still, Favre likes to be liked. He will eventually spew mea culpas, but will it be genuine and will people buy it?

[MJZiggy]

Yeah my dog does that a lot too.