OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

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If you go to any Packer board, almost all of them are overrun with Packer fans. There aren't very many vocal Thompson haters or Favre lovers left anywhere.

There are a good number of TT doubters (haters might be too strong a term for most) around at some places. You can regularly see them at PFT, GBPG and the JSO article comment boards.

[RashanGary]

If you go to any Packer board, almost all of them are overrun with Packer fans. There aren't very many vocal Thompson haters or Favre lovers left anywhere.

There are a good number of TT doubters (haters might be too strong a term for most) around at some places. You can regularly see them at PFT, GBPG and the JSO article comment boards.

Those are trolls that are banned from every moderated forum. I don't read those comments because they're overrun with spamming trolls.

[retailguy]

If you go to any Packer board, almost all of them are overrun with Packer fans. There aren't very many vocal Thompson haters or Favre lovers left anywhere.

There are a good number of TT doubters (haters might be too strong a term for most) around at some places. You can regularly see them at PFT, GBPG and the JSO article comment boards.

Those are trolls that are banned from every moderated forum. I don't read those comments because they're overrun with spamming trolls.

How do you know this?

[Joemailman]

Favre Update! Nobody knows. :P

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/69047/brett-favre-update-vikings-visanthe-shiancoe-dr-andrews-dont-know

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Dr. James Andrews reports that Brett is recovering fine after the ankle cleanup surgery last month and has a few weeks left of rehabilitation. So 4 more weeks of rehab, 4 more weeks of soul searching. I predict Mort Edwerderson will get a Tweet on the 11th of August and report on the 13th to Mankato. That will be followed by a re-re-re-retirement, then a renegotiation and he will begin to practice on the 20th.

But in even more interesting news, I just learned that Dr. James Andrews operated on Brett in 1990 to fix his elbow while the Gunslinger was still matriculating down the field at Southern Miss. Too many 12 oz. curls, apparently.

But all kidding aside, everyone on this board has been told in no certain terms that two major injuries in college means that anyone with a brain (meaning everyone but Thompson) forgets about drafting such a risk. Unfortunately, for all the people that have followed Brett's remarkable career, that means that Brett should not have been drafted at all, not by Wolf, Herock or Glanville. Everyone should have drafted Browning Nagle, Scott Zolak or Donald Hollis; those were the wise choices.

I urge all good hearted Rat readers to email Roger Goodell, Stephen A. Perry, President/Executive Director of the Hall of Fame and all the HOF voters to have all of Brett's accomplishments stricken from the record since he was so clearly drafted incorrectly. Its only fair to the code of the draft: No one drafts a twice injured player. Everyone knows this.

[Merlin]

Favre seldom has the call go his way and we also learned that they don't throw the flag for Rodgers much either.

Where does his assessment come from? Doesn't get the flag? People have been complaining for years about the stuff he gets away with. For just one example, recall the Viking (while he was still a Packer) game where he removed his helmet, then remembered it was a penalty and slammed it back down on his head, all in front of the Head Ref. No call. No Viking fan who remembers that play will agree that Favre doesn't get calls.

And I think Manning's rep on this is confused with the fact that Polian got a point of emphasis passed by the Competition Committee after their yearly playoff loss to the Patriots, where the Patriots roughed up the Colts receivers multiple times inside (and sometime after) five yards. Mostly Peyton just whines.

As for the non flag vs. New Orleans, I have no idea how it was supposed to be called. Did Perreira do his NFL Network segment on it? At the time, I thought that the fact that the initial hit was just above the knee, and the fact that it came from behind (as opposed to the ligament shredding hit from the side or front) saved the lineman from the flag. The NFL has taking QB roughing and the catch and possession rules and made them impenetrable for me.

Apparently you don't watch too many Colts, Patriots games. If a player gets within 3 feet of either of those QB's you can bet that the official has his hand on his flag and will suffer from "premature flagging". With Rodgers and Favre (and most other QB's), they have to think about it after the fact. So in the case of the "rule" in that split second, do you really think the official is looking to see exactly where the low hit is which is part of the basis of your argument? OR as I contend, do they look at who the player is and determine if it's a flag? Clearly the hit on Favre went against the rule which was intended to protect a QB from that type of hit. If it was Manning or Brady, the flag would have been out of their pocket the second they saw two players in a position to make that kind of hit, which is why the officials need to understand that the rule applies to all, not just one. I mentioned the other flag for unnecessary roughness they called in the NO game because I don't recall if it happened before or after that particular play, I do know that it was the wrong call so the two negated each other IMO.

Mannings "Rep" is based on the fact he is a whiny twerp who doesn't like to take responsibility for his own play and places blame on everyone else. It has nothing to do with a rule change or who brought about that change. He has gotten better at keeping his mouth shut but that doesn't erase the years of him throwing his team under the bus, the temper tantrums he throws when he doesn't get his way, and the way he is constantly whining to the refs. He won the Super Bowl MVP after arguably one of the most mediocre games in Super Bowl history, the Colts won DESPITE Manning, not because of. That just adds more creditability to the fact that Manning gets treated much differently than anyone else. Brady goes about his game and doesn't have that kind of rep He has won a bunch of Super Bowls and that has catapulted him to Super Star status. It isn't his fault the rule was in place but he is in that "super protected" status group with the refs.

Favre and now Rodgers have reputations of being football players, and that plays into how much abuse the officials let them take. I also never said "Favre doesn't get calls" in his favor, nor did I say he doesn't get away with anything. In the case of unnecessary roughness both Favre and Rodgers are highly unlikely to get that flag thrown than are Manning and Brady. If I remember right, someone looked up that type of information awhile back when Kampman got called for a blow to the head in a game where he never even touched the QB.

[mraynrand]

Wow, I can almost hear John Madden; "That Favre, he plays QB like a nose tackle. That's why he doesn't get the absurdly protective late hit penalties."

Horse shit. Favre got all sorts of protection calls. The difference is that Brady and Manning just don't take as many hard hits - either because they get rid of the ball quicker because they are better at it or because they are wusses who hate getting hit - or both). Favre got the stuffing knocked out of him a lot because he was running around like crazy trying to make plays when either the play 'broke down' due to good defense or (more during the early part of his career) he didn't know what the hell he was doing (Tuck and run baby!).

Favre gets plenty of protection. Refs are much more reluctant to throw late hit/personal foul flags in playoff games, just like the don't like to call fouls at the end of playoff basketball games. Most refs don't want to decide games - except maybe Ed Hochuli...

People who think Favre isn't getting the calls are mostly looking through Favre colored glasses. BFFFs are hard to stomach....

[Bossman641]

Wow, I can almost hear John Madden; "That Favre, he plays QB like a nose tackle. That's why he doesn't get the absurdly protective late hit penalties."

Horse shit. Favre got all sorts of protection calls. The difference is that Brady and Manning just don't take as many hard hits - either because they get rid of the ball quicker because they are better at it or because they are wusses who hate getting hit - or both). Favre got the stuffing knocked out of him a lot because he was running around like crazy trying to make plays when either the play 'broke down' due to good defense or (more during the early part of his career) he didn't know what the hell he was doing (Tuck and run baby!).

Favre gets plenty of protection. Refs are much more reluctant to throw late hit/personal foul flags in playoff games, just like the don't like to call fouls at the end of playoff basketball games. Most refs don't want to decide games - except maybe Ed Hochuli...

People who think Favre isn't getting the calls are mostly looking through Favre colored glasses. BFFFs are hard to stomach....

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His last couple of years in GB, Favre got plenty of calls that were questionable at best.

[RashanGary]

I've never seen Brady and Manning lay down to would be tacklers the way Favre does. Shit, might as well just bend over and take it in the ass, Bert.

[Joemailman]

Favre, Manning and Brady get protection others don't get because they're the veteran marquee QB's right now. When Favre was younger, he didn't get the kind of protection that Marino and Montana got. It will be interesting to see if Rodgers starts getting more protection. That shot to the head against Arizona got a lot of publicity.

[Iron Mike]

People who think Favre isn't getting the calls are mostly looking through Favre colored glasses. BFFFs are hard to stomach....

[gex]

Favre seldom has the call go his way and we also learned that they don't throw the flag for Rodgers much either.

Where does his assessment come from? Doesn't get the flag? People have been complaining for years about the stuff he gets away with. For just one example, recall the Viking (while he was still a Packer) game where he removed his helmet, then remembered it was a penalty and slammed it back down on his head, all in front of the Head Ref. No call. No Viking fan who remembers that play will agree that Favre doesn't get calls.

And I think Manning's rep on this is confused with the fact that Polian got a point of emphasis passed by the Competition Committee after their yearly playoff loss to the Patriots, where the Patriots roughed up the Colts receivers multiple times inside (and sometime after) five yards. Mostly Peyton just whines.

As for the non flag vs. New Orleans, I have no idea how it was supposed to be called. Did Perreira do his NFL Network segment on it? At the time, I thought that the fact that the initial hit was just above the knee, and the fact that it came from behind (as opposed to the ligament shredding hit from the side or front) saved the lineman from the flag. The NFL has taking QB roughing and the catch and possession rules and made them impenetrable for me.

Favre and now Rodgers have reputations of being football players, and that plays into how much abuse the officials let them take

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QFT... Favre and A-Rod are both rugged football players out on the field, and therefore do not get the protection calls some of the more"finesse" QB's get.

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Clearly the hit on Favre went against the rule which was intended to protect a QB from that type of hit.

My entire point was that I do not think the hit was illegal. But the rule is so convoluted, I could easily be wrong. It has been substantially changed twice. Once once in response to Carson Palmer and again for Brady. If you have an explanation for the hit qualifying as illegal, I am all ears.

And no, I do not think Brady and Manning get the same treatment as an NBA star. Perhaps on pulling off your helmet calls, but not on QB hits. I think the NFL goes overboard protecting all QBs.

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Favre, Manning and Brady get protection others don't get because they're the veteran marquee QB's right now. When Favre was younger, he didn't get the kind of protection that Marino and Montana got. It will be interesting to see if Rodgers starts getting more protection. That shot to the head against Arizona got a lot of publicity.

Maybe, but it didn't even make it to the officials review on NFL Network that week, did it?

[Tarlam!]

I've never seen Brady and Manning lay down to would be tacklers the way Favre does. Shit, might as well just bend over and take it in the ass, Bert.

I can't agree with this assessment. I've seen all 3 take on hits if plays were developing and they needed to throw late. They keep their eyes downfield and not swivelling to pick up pass rushers. I've seen all 3 tuck it in and take the sack. And what is a "would-be" tackler anyways? The only time Bert helped out in that department was to one guy to get the sack record. Bert is widely lauded for his ability to keep plays alive by escaping and flipping a ball in the most unlikely fashion. I have never read that he lays down.

All 3 of these QBs are locks for Canton and IMHO, deservedly so. I really don't get the hate. I feel priviliged to be a fan during a time when the NFL has 3 plus HOF QBs active.

I also think it assinine to on the one hand criticise Bert for taking a sack all the while criticising him for making stupid throws that turn into INTs for not taking a sack. I am no longer a fan of Bert, because IMHO, his conduct is unbefitting a professional/Packer. But I will try and evaluate his on-field activities without a G&G bias.