NFL Scouts Rank Rodgers 19th in NFL

[Guiness]

I like the thread - all the mudslinging aside.

A couple of shoo-ins - P. Manning, Brees.

I agree with KY about the old boys club...unless you were talking about next year only, KW, Favre and Garcia are ruled out. Two years max out of any of these guys, no matter how they're playing now.

Brady - yes. Even if the road is long, he should come back from the knee injury, and with his game it doesn't matter if he loses 2 steps. OTOH Palmer - no - we already know he doesn't seem to be coming back.

VY - not a chance, we don't know where his head is.

Cutler, Roethlisberger - yes to both, because they're young, and better than him right now...but I don't know that Rodger won't catch them.

Eli and Rivers - a couple of really interesting guys with high ceilings...but I just don't know what to make of those guys week to week.

Ryan is probably a yes - I like what little I've seen of him.

[BF4MVP]

If he continues to play average next year, they should give Brohm a fair shot at the spot.

3400 yards 23 TDs and 12 INTs in 14 games is "average"? I disagree...

[Patler]

What has Romo accomplished? Some good in-season stats on a very good team (Wasn't the whole offense on the Pro-Bowl team last year?) Other than that, nothing.

[Rastak]

What has Romo accomplished? Some good in-season stats on a very good team (Wasn't the whole offense on the Pro-Bowl team last year?) Other than that, nothing.

Are you doing a Romo-Rodgers match up here?

[Bretsky]

What has Romo accomplished? Some good in-season stats on a very good team (Wasn't the whole offense on the Pro-Bowl team last year?) Other than that, nothing.

Carrie Underwood
Jessica Simpson

[digitaldean]

Vince Young isn't getting any respect here. He played great as a rookie (although not statistiaclly speaking from a QB perspective, but he was a winner), and had a solid sophomore campaign.

You can have his "solid" sophomore campaign (9 TDs, 17 interceptions). I'll take Kerry Collins over that any day.

Well, clearly you're alone on that one because Bud Adams went on record last week saying Young will be the starter going forward next year.

Uh, no Capt. Delusional he's not the only one on the analysis of VY.

Yes, when you have that many millions invested in him, Adams isn't going to throw him to the curb. Besides, he isn't going to publicly acknowledge any issues he may have over Young's whininess before he had the whole Nashville PD scouring the area for him.

Young's soph. season sucked. Could be a blip, but it's not a good omen toward the future. He has some growing up to do. His rookie season, he definitely made plays and was justifiably lauded for it. This year HE DID NOT but someone else did with the exact same talent pool. He heard the boos from the home crowd then had to run home to mommy and sulk like a baby.

[digitaldean]

What has Romo accomplished? Some good in-season stats on a very good team (Wasn't the whole offense on the Pro-Bowl team last year?) Other than that, nothing.

Carrie Underwood
Jessica Simpson

[PackerTimer]

Watching the game tonight I just don't see anything that says Rodgers is anything but a top 15 QB at least. He might be around number 10 or so.

The only guys I see as clearly better are:
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Jay Cutler
Eli Manning
Tony Romo

The rest are a toss up for me. But there is no way he's not in the top 15 at least.

[BallHawk]

Young is a proven winner in this league.

Um....what? Proven winner? What has Vince Young done in his career? He has a -10 TD to INT career ratio and a career QB rating of under 70. Proven winner? That's laughable.

And before you counter with "he took his team to the playoffs" I'll just state that the Titans took Vince Young to the playoffs. You put any average QB on the 2007 Titans and they make the playoffs.

[Bretsky]

Watching the game tonight I just don't see anything that says Rodgers is anything but a top 15 QB at least. He might be around number 10 or so.

The only guys I see as clearly better are:
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb
Ben Roethlisberger
Jay Cutler
Eli Manning
Tony Romo

The rest are a toss up for me. But there is no way he's not in the top 15 at least.

I'd put him in the 12-14 range; I'd certainly put Philip Rivers up in that group at this point. He should be in the Pro Bowl this year.

Long term I'm not sure Rivers belongs in that group........but I'm not sure Romo does either

[digitaldean]

The article is loaded with great quotes. It really is a great read for the homers. Seriously, tons of famous NFL talent evaluators, including Bill Walsh (Steve Young, Joe Montana) saying they think he is maxed out or near maxed out, etc.

Here's a quote from Steve Young TODAY about Rodgers performance:
ESPN's Steve Young and Jaworski rated Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers' first year as a starter a success.

"I believe he played very well," Young said in the pregame show. "I thought he played much better than I thought he would. I knew he was a good quarterback between the 30s, but he has put a lot of points on the board."

Jaworski gave a grade of B-plus to Rodgers.

"Certainly you can find some things wrong, his inability, late in games, to take over and guide his team to victory," Jaworski said. "But overall, the body of his work has been very good, considering the circumstances he had."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36611424.html

[Partial]

If he continues to play average next year, they should give Brohm a fair shot at the spot.

3400 yards 23 TDs and 12 INTs in 14 games is "average"? I disagree...

Dude, stats don't mean everything. His performance has been average, otherwise we'd score a hell of a lot more points with our potent offense and have a better record.

Look at the stats of every QB in the NFL. I bet that is right in the middle, aka average.

[Partial]

Young is a proven winner in this league.

Um....what? Proven winner? What has Vince Young done in his career? He has a -10 TD to INT career ratio and a career QB rating of under 70. Proven winner? That's laughable.

And before you counter with "he took his team to the playoffs" I'll just state that the Titans took Vince Young to the playoffs. You put any average QB on the 2007 Titans and they make the playoffs.

Impossible to judge ^. One could argue the same about the '08 Packers.

[Gunakor]

If he continues to play average next year, they should give Brohm a fair shot at the spot.

3400 yards 23 TDs and 12 INTs in 14 games is "average"? I disagree...

Dude, stats don't mean everything. His performance has been average, otherwise we'd score a hell of a lot more points with our potent offense and have a better record.

Look at the stats of every QB in the NFL. I bet that is right in the middle, aka average.

It's like 10th-12th in most catagories, which is good. Not merely average, but not great either. I'd have to imagine his stats would look even better if McCarthy didn't take the ball out of his hands at times during the game. I think he's even BETTER than his stats.

[BallHawk]

Young is a proven winner in this league.

Um....what? Proven winner? What has Vince Young done in his career? He has a -10 TD to INT career ratio and a career QB rating of under 70. Proven winner? That's laughable.

And before you counter with "he took his team to the playoffs" I'll just state that the Titans took Vince Young to the playoffs. You put any average QB on the 2007 Titans and they make the playoffs.

Impossible to judge ^. One could argue the same about the '08 Packers.

And then that argument would be refuted by pointing out our defensive incompetence.

I'll give you that VY has done more in his career than Aaron Rodgers, albeit with one more season of playing time. But to call VY a "proven winner" is laughable.