Daryn Colledge Fan Club

[Tarlam!]

With such a horrible LG it is amazing that we have been a top 10 offense for the last 4 years. And that ARod is the first quarter back in NFL history to throw for over 4,000 yards his first 2 years starting in the league.

I understand that DC is not a Pro Bowl Player but is a servicable lineman. Getting rid of DC when we don't have anyone yet who has proven that they can fill his shoes is silly. If we see that we have someone in place during training camp and the pre-season (I am not too sure of this statement after how last years pre-season went) I have no prbolem cutting DC at the end.

C'mon, Dan. McGinn has better access to tape than we do and I think he's a pretty unbiased and well informed journo. He graded last season a D-Minus for DC. That's pretty darn close to an F. Doesn't equate to a servicable lineman, it equates to he was a turnstile, at least to me. Let's not forget how critical M3 was of DC in his post season presser.

There's a reason they are only the 10th best offense. With the weapons they have and A-Rod at the helm, they should be top 3. I'll give you the line really sucked until Cliffy and Tausch got back. BTW, Colldge had a strong season 2008. It's no secret that he was ticked last year when TT didn't extend his contract. Is that distraction why he nos dived last season? Was it the mental stress after he got 4 butt kicking playing LT early in the season?

I think you're missing my point, though; DC started and he feels like the legitimate starter, even though he played atrociously at times. I am saying TT will not pay DC the premium that DC clearly believes he deserves. This will cause bad blood and, as a result, weaken the line.

The different camps are in their respective trenches and I don't think it will be pretty. TT can legitimately wait and see if any teams come-a-knocking. I bet he'd let him go for a 4th or a player, say a decent backup CB.

The possible solution is an incentive laden contract, but I don't have any idea how that would look for a left guard.

I think TT is hoping that OT he picked late can move into the spot and show more upside.

[retailguy]

I would add Tarlam!, that the dropoff between Spitz and Colledge isn't that dramatic (for those who claim that Colledge is better).

I'd rather have Spitz hold down the line for a year or so, or get a free agent.

Colledge has shown us his ceiling and his attitude. The coaches time is better spent elsewhere with someone who has potential than wasted on the current incumbent. We got what we're getting out of Colledge and it's pretty pathetic.

This offense was "top 10" IN SPITE of colledge, not because of him.

[Tarlam!]

This offense was "top 10" IN SPITE of colledge, not because of him.

Too funny, RG. I was going to write that exact same thought. Hahah.

[ThunderDan]

Here are the GB Offensive stats for 2009:

379.1 ypg 6th in the NFL 24.7 ypg less than NO at #1
28.8 ppg 3rd 3.1 ppg less than NO at #1
33:03 time of possession 2nd :02 less than NE at #1

With a D- blocker it doesn't seem like any of those should be possible.

[Patler]

Here are the GB Offensive stats for 2009:

379.1 ypg 6th in the NFL 24.7 ypg less than NO at #1
28.8 ppg 3rd 3.1 ppg less than NO at #1
33:03 time of possession 2nd :02 less than NE at #1

With a D- blocker it doesn't seem like any of those should be possible.

Goes to show how valuable Rodgers ability to run away from trouble really was.

[sharpe1027]

Here are the GB Offensive stats for 2009:

379.1 ypg 6th in the NFL 24.7 ypg less than NO at #1
28.8 ppg 3rd 3.1 ppg less than NO at #1
33:03 time of possession 2nd :02 less than NE at #1

With a D- blocker it doesn't seem like any of those should be possible.

Goes to show how valuable Rodgers ability to run away from trouble really was.

I thought most of the sacks were because he held the ball too long?

[Tarlam!]

Dan, I don't remember how often I heard last year that DC missed his assignment. His guy got a pressure or sack or whatever.

And I listen to the Packers Network on NFL.com. Those guys are pure homers.

If you dismiss McGinn (brave of you) you cannot dismiss M3 - he's the head coach. He all but crucified DC of last season.

But, I can see you can't be convinced, so, I'll leave it at that. You ignore my main point, which is TT will not pay the guy a premium in my opinion and try and convince me instead that he should. Of that, you won't convince me.

Let's just agree to disagree.

[hoosier]

McGinn also acknowledges that Colledge's brutal experience filling in for Clifton at LT played a large part in his overall poor season. If you leave him at LG for the entire season I wouldn't be surprised to see the 2009 Colledge looking a lot like the 2008 version. It is true that he has sometimes shown inconsistency from one game to the next, but overall his performance at LG has been adequate and at times more than adequate. Given Spitz's recent history with back problems and the questions that raises about his future health, I would much prefer to see Colledge have the chance to compete at LG and keep him as a viable second option if Spitz beats him out.

[Tarlam!]

I thought most of the sacks were because he held the ball too long?

About 16.5 out of 51 were attributed to that, IIRC.

[Tarlam!]

I would much prefer to see Colledge have the chance to compete at LG and keep him as a viable second option if Spitz beats him out.

Yes, but at what cost? He want a big payday. Do you think he's worth it?

[ThunderDan]

Dan, I don't remember how often I heard last year that DC missed his assignment. His guy got a pressure or sack or whatever.

And I listen to the Packers Network on NFL.com. Those guys are pure homers.

If you dismiss McGinn (brave of you) you cannot dismiss M3 - he's the head coach. He all but crucified DC of last season.

But, I can see you can't be convinced, so, I'll leave it at that. You ignore my main point, which is TT will not pay the guy a premium in my opinion and try and convince me instead that he should. Of that, you won't convince me.

Let's just agree to disagree.

I don't think offering DC a RFA tender at his level is paying him a premium. Where have I once said that DC should be signed long-term with a big contract?

Right now DC is our only "known" quantity at LG that hasn't gone down for major portions of the season with an injury. I read all of the post-game transcripts and heard what MM said. I don't think Colledge is a good player. I said he is servicable.

I have been posting for the last 4 months that if we solidify our O-line for 2010 we could break some of the all time NFL offensive records.

[Tarlam!]

Dan, you said you think TT should "pay DC". TT has already tendered DC, but he hasn't signed his tender. So, I really must conclude that you feel TT should "pay DC" more than the tender. Otherwise, I would expect you to say "DC should sign his tender". That would be consistant with what you posted just now.

DC was clearly the weak link in the OL last year after Tausch came back. If you call that servicable, well, that's your perogative.

I would rather insert a rookie that might play just as inconsistantly as DC his rookie year (as you point out, they were top 10), but also might become a pro bowler in 4 years.

I also expect far less sacks, simply cause A-Rod adjusted to getting rid of the ball faster.

[ThunderDan]

Dan, you said you think TT should "pay DC". TT has already tendered DC, but he hasn't signed his tender. So, I really must conclude that you feel TT should "pay DC" more than the tender. Otherwise, I would expect you to say "DC should sign his tender". That would be consistant with what you posted just now.

TT should pay DC. He should pay him the tender amount. With the way the league is structured this year GB holds all the power over guys who initally signed 3-5 year contracts that were hoping to get to UFA early in their careers but no longer can. As much as DC is bitching and he will skip OTAs he will be back in time for training camp. He knows as well as any fan that he didn't play well and so cannot try to hold out like JWalk tried to do to TT which doesn't work either.

I'm pretty sure that DC didn't put enough of his original 2+ million dollar cotract away to not have to worry about working in his prime earning years. DC, if he is smart, signs the tender plays well in 2010 and hits the UFA market in 2011 if a season does happen.

[hoosier]

I would much prefer to see Colledge have the chance to compete at LG and keep him as a viable second option if Spitz beats him out.

Yes, but at what cost? He want a big payday. Do you think he's worth it?

Where did the Packers finally slot him as an RFA? $1.4M for next year? That is hardly a big payday.

[Tarlam!]

I would much prefer to see Colledge have the chance to compete at LG and keep him as a viable second option if Spitz beats him out.

Yes, but at what cost? He want a big payday. Do you think he's worth it?

Where did the Packers finally slot him as an RFA? $1.4M for next year? That is hardly a big payday.

He hasn't signed his tender, though and I guarantee you, if the reports are accurate, he will be one disgruntled player if he doesn't get his payday.