Is Aaron Rodgers more of the problem than we might think?

[pbmax]

I doubt there even is an "audible-ing controversy" among the people actually involved - the players and coaching staff. It's all in the minds of a few media troublemakers and fans who swallow what they spew.

Aaron Rodgers does what he does, and he does it better than anyone else in the history of the NFL. Being "turnover averse" is the most important single aspect of being an NFL QB, and it is the main thing that separates Rodgers from basically anybody else, past and present.

GOAT deniers should jump the fence and go to wherever the hell they think the grass is greener.

Funn that the people involved keep talking about it. Why don't you believe La Fleur and Rodgers?

If you think the daily pixels are lying to you, we have video available.

[mraynrand]

The only Audible controversy I know of is Aaron Rodger's reading of "The Scarlett Pimpernell" for Audible Books

Probably should have done the abridged version.

"They seek him here, they seek him there, those Frenchies seek him everywhere!" (Even Jeopardy Rodgers should have known that was from the poem...)

[texaspackerbacker]

Funn that the people involved keep talking about it. Why don't you believe La Fleur and Rodgers?

If you think the daily pixels are lying to you, we have video available.

What I've seen from Rodgers in interviews is about 2 parts tongue-in-cheek, just putting the fools on/stringing them along, and 1 part giving semi-serious but innocuous answers to dumb questions. I don't recall seeing any actual interviews with LaFleur, but I seriously doubt he is stupid enough to create a controversy with Aaron Rodgers. He very well could, however, be tactful enough to not come right out and tell the media shitheads what shitheads they are.

[pbmax]

What I've seen from Rodgers in interviews is about 2 parts tongue-in-cheek, just putting the fools on/stringing them along, and 1 part giving semi-serious but innocuous answers to dumb questions. I don't recall seeing any actual interviews with LaFleur, but I seriously doubt he is stupid enough to create a controversy with Aaron Rodgers. He very well could, however, be tactful enough to not come right out and tell the media shitheads what shitheads they are.

I think here you are half right. Le Fleur has been avoiding calling out Rodgers on it publicly. He acknowledges that they are debating internally about audibles this offense doesn't have but he isn't challenging Rodgers directly. We don't know the dynamics. Perhaps the ball is in La Fleur's camp about when audibles should be called. Maybe its part of the game plan. Or in choosing what alternative plays to practice.

There are many ways this can play out positively. I am rooting for all of them.

But I am also worried that gbgary was correct. Less so that Rodgers is closer to the end of his career and more that he isn't going to be too willing to bend to another's will.

[pbmax]

The only Audible controversy I know of is Aaron Rodger's reading of "The Scarlett Pimpernell" for Audible Books

Probably should have done the abridged version.

"They seek him here, they seek him there, those Frenchies seek him everywhere!" (Even Jeopardy Rodgers should have known that was from the poem...)

Its still early in camp, right? We can handle one more excursion into non football territory?

Its the 1990s, the General's Daughter is published (no idea when) and WPR's Chapter A Day is reading it. If you aren't familiar, its an audiobook in a radio format, half a hour per weekday. They abridge the works in most cases as they do here. In the car (I think I was doing deliveries in between classes) it's brilliant. Nice, taut who-done-it mystery.

Recommend it to my traveling companion for our next trip and she buys the thing from Barnes and Noble based on my say so. Back in the day, the 28 cassettes or 6 CDs cost a small fortune at retail. Better idea would be to use the library, but it wasn't available.

Get in the car and start the trip. Its Ken "White Shadow" Howard reading it and its awful. Boring, uninteresting and Howard isn't engaging. And it's unabridged. Hours of this thing to go. I hadn't heard the end because some days work doesn't sync to the Chapter A Day schedule.

I have never figured out if WPR and the Chapter A Day folks were that good at editing it down, or if Fleming/Schmidt/Gilliland were just better readers with years of practice. What a waste of money that was.

[run pMc]

The White Shadow was a good show.
Fun facts: it was produced by Bruce Paltrow, who also produced St. Elsewhere and (with Blythe Danner) co-produced Gwyneth Paltrow.

So, what did we all have for breakfast today? Let's see how far off topic we can take this... :P

[SudsMcBucky]

The guy who has been to less Super Bowl's than Favre?

Has Rodgers played with someone even CLOSE to the level of talent that Favre had with Reggie White?

[gbgary]

Funny that the people involved keep talking about it. Why don't you believe La Fleur and Rodgers?

If you think the daily pixels are lying to you, we have video available.

exactly. *sigh*

[mraynrand]

Has Rodgers played with someone even CLOSE to the level of talent that Favre had with Reggie White?

sure

[SudsMcBucky]

sure

Really???

[Upnorth]

Has Rodgers played with someone even CLOSE to the level of talent that Favre had with Reggie White?

Considering he might be a top 10 ever all time great, no, not even close.

[mraynrand]

Really???

yep. Reggie was on the downside of his career. There are guys who had his impact, if only for a season or two, like Woodson and maybe Clay and stipulate - for a year. Woodson was like Reggie in his locker room presence too, I think.

Also, I would say Ahman Green's years 2000-2004 were overall better than Reggie's years. Take away the injury year (2005) and through 2006 he had a run that compares with the best Packers ever. Favre was very lucky to have that guy too.

So in summary, I pretty much agree with the point that Rodgers hasn't had the same talent around him that Favre had. (overall, if we made a full-blown argument out of this, citing all the teammates over all the years, it might come out more equal, but I'd bet money, that by largely objective criteria, Favre was surrounded by more talent. Still, "the Packer brass never really surrounded either of these guys with the talent they needed to win")

[pbmax]

The White Shadow was a good show.
Fun facts: it was produced by Bruce Paltrow, who also produced St. Elsewhere and (with Blythe Danner) co-produced Gwyneth Paltrow.

So, what did we all have for breakfast today? Let's see how far off topic we can take this... :P

Eggs over medium.

[pbmax]

I think Reggie was on fumes for the end of his career, but I am thinking mainly post Super Bowl win. He was still awe inspiring 92-95/96.

I have always wondered, given how he went through the tackle twice on that last Patriot drive, was Reggie saving himself for the end of the game or big moment? Or did Fritz just tell them put Bledsoe on the deck no matter what. We have the lead, its late and they will be throwing.

[mraynrand]

I think Reggie was on fumes for the end of his career, but I am thinking mainly post Super Bowl win. He was still awe inspiring 92-95/96.

I have always wondered, given how he went through the tackle twice on that last Patriot drive, was Reggie saving himself for the end of the game or big moment? Or did Fritz just tell them put Bledsoe on the deck no matter what. We have the lead, its late and they will be throwing.

That’s the kind of stuff you can do if you aren’t looking for the run at all. Also, Reggie left it all out there in the field. In distance running they say “the faster you run, the sooner you’re done”. If you get a three and out on defense you can go get oxygen on the sideline....