IS IT TIME TO PUT UNTOUCHABLE TED ON TRIAL ? HOW DO YOU GRADE HIM ??

[bobblehead]

With Rodgers for only 6 full games, the Packers somehow, despite an idiot as head coach and a moron as GM, are 14th in DVOA average for the season, and that includes weighted score (which considers recent games more important).

Teams with far better personnel departments* below the Packers include:

15 Seattle
16 Atlanta
17 Washington
18 Oakland
22 Arizona
28 San Francisco
29 Denver
30 NY Giants

*just suffering a brief setback due to karma and other factors COMPLETELY outside of their control


I mean, don't we all know Dmitroff, Schneider, McKenzie, McCloughan, John Lynch, John Elway and Jerry Reese are better than Ted?

You have eyes don't you? Any of these guys are better than Ted, who hasn't picked earlier than 21 in the last seven years.

And there is no reason to credit Ted for doing this in the actually competitive NFC. We all know Belichick is better while he competes in the dog breath AFC East.

I finally figured it out.

No argument is relevant in TTs defense cuz....Rodgers....the QB he drafted when he was heavily criticized for wasting the end of Favre's career. See, TT was so dumb he drafted Rodgers who is so good that any argument to defend TT is irrelevant.

[bobblehead]

I think it's fair to say however that none of the names mentioned above have overt signs of early stage dementia. None have the gape mouth, slow slurred speech, and other signs of mental deterioration. I think it's fair to have concerns about the state of his mental coherence at this point. Having Captain Pike post-accident at the head of your ship is not overly inspiring.

Fielding a shitty team is a sure sign of mental deterioration, and honestly the only thing I care about.

[bobblehead]

Bobble, did I seriously read in post #113 that you said Aaron Rodgers "benefits from having more weapons" like Brady?

If Aaron Rodgers ever had time like Brady gets to throw, he'd be even better than he is, and if he EVER had receivers like Atlanta or Minnesota or NE or probably more than half of the other teams in the league, we'd score 40 or 50 every game.

I thought WR is the only position TT can scout? Which is it? And brady dumps to RBs quite often. Rodgers rarely does.

[pbmax]

Wow...you mean the guy who hired MM's acolyte and burned the organization to the ground? This is the epitome of a GM who got lucky with a hot QB at just the right moment. 2 seasons ago (or was it last?) he spent a trumpian fortune on the Defense and is now the fired GM of a 2-13 team.

Bravo, you just broke the internet with stupidity!

Yoop was kidding. He was teasing Bretsky via Rand and wist. Bretsky was a long time fan of Reese.

[pbmax]

tex, Brady has had some terrible pass protection problems in recent years. Since Logan Mankins began to get old, in fact. That offense gets the ball out faster than almost any other. They have been better the last two years.

In comparison, Rodgers waits WAY longer than Brady to get rid of the ball typically. So his better pass pro does eventually break down but normally after 3 seconds of waiting.

With 4 tackles having missed games, Packers are 30th this year in sack rate. Hundley is NOT helping in this area. Patriots are 12th.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

[texaspackerbacker]

My point was the Patriots and just about everybody else have better receivers than the Packers have. Ours were exposed as overrated without Rodgers throwing to them.

[pbmax]

My point was the Patriots and just about everybody else have better receivers than the Packers have. Ours were exposed as overrated without Rodgers throwing to them.

Gronk is the only position I consider in the Patriots favor until Jordy fell into a hole the second half of this year.

It took the Patriots a while to figure out what to do with Cooks, he has had a grand total of two big games for them.

[denverYooper]

Wow...you mean the guy who hired MM's acolyte and burned the organization to the ground? This is the epitome of a GM who got lucky with a hot QB at just the right moment. 2 seasons ago (or was it last?) he spent a trumpian fortune on the Defense and is now the fired GM of a 2-13 team.

Bravo, you just broke the internet with stupidity!

I forgot to use sarcasm font.

[Bretsky]

Or do they both benefit from having more weapons? Also, by the numbers they are not the 2 best QBs in the game. I think someone somewhere posted about how Brady benefits big time from the D he gets to play with.

Rodgers best play in the NFCC the year we won the bowl was tackling a defender after he threw a pick.

I agree, Rodgers legs elevate him above every elite passer in the game, and his passing elevates him above mobile QBs. However, without him we still competed. Look at how Houston has been without Watson...a rookie!!

I can pin blame where it is deserved, no problem. But seriously, TT has spawned more successful GMs than anyone I can think of. MM on the other hand has spawned no one. Capers needs to go first. If MM doesn't can him then TT should can MM. If neither happens then both should be canned.

Agree Dom is the no brainer; even if he isn't terrible it's time for a change. Sometimes changing to something new is just good.

[Bretsky]

If the only argument that counts is yours, then yes, you are correct.

are you saying Brees is on Rodgers level ? That Brees carried our team just as well as Rodgers ?

[texaspackerbacker]

Mark my words, if Capers is gone, and there is anything short of an impossibly huge improvement in personnel, our Defense will really bottom out. We just don't have the talent to play teams straight up without schemes and trickery like Capers specializes in. All this whining about getting rid of him is just plain ignorant.

[Bretsky]

THIS IS A KICK ASS THREAD; plenty of debate/arguing/tassling..pot stirring. This is real live debate and entertaining !!

[Bretsky]

Mark my words, if Capers is gone, and there is anything short of an impossibly huge improvement in personnel, our Defense will really bottom out. We just don't have the talent to play teams straight up without schemes and trickery like Capers specializes in. All this whining about getting rid of him is just plain ignorant.

I don't think Capers is Satan like many in here but I have to admit this. Too Many times we have players runhing around confused as the ball is ready to snap. Too many mental breakdowns leading to big plays They just don't seem well prepared anymore.

I think it's time for a change

[texaspackerbacker]

Then get some kind of a whip cracking disciplinarian as an assistant D coordinator or something, or maybe get some better position coaches, but do NOT change the type of D we play or the guy who is the brains of that system - not unless we miraculously get about three times as good personnel as we have now on D.

[mraynrand]

I don't think Capers is Satan

we're making progress here.