Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[call_me_ishmael]

I can see Harbaugh in your scenario but Manning?

It's never going to happen but I would love it.

[esoxx]

I can see Harbaugh in your scenario but Manning?

I think what ish is saying here is that with the degree of petulance displayed by Rodgers you're going to need someone with gravitas to come in to be able to get AR to toe the line a bit. Harbaugh has the pedigree and Manning is an all-timer who AR would have no choice but to respect given his accomplishments. Not that I'm backing either candidate but it's looking more and more they're going to have to pick someone with some real backbone or with accomplishments so great they can't be ignored.

[red]

Go to the 6:30 mark of this interview and you will get an entirely different idea of what went on in the game Lewis is talking about. Lewis did not mention McCarthy's name here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SSnIp8Rz2U

so a-rod IS the problem. he's the one calling the slow developing plays that don't work

as some national talking head have mentioned, we may not be a top destination for a new head coach

we have a completely lack of talent, and a QB who is gonna do whatever the hell he wants on the field.

how is a decent coach ever gonna accept that?

we may have to end up with a coach that is just going to rollover to rodgers

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I think what ish is saying here is that with the degree of petulance displayed by Rodgers you're going to need someone with gravitas to come in to be able to get AR to toe the line a bit. Harbaugh has the pedigree and Manning is an all-timer who AR would have no choice but to respect given his accomplishments. Not that I'm backing either candidate but it's looking more and more they're going to have to pick someone with some real backbone or with accomplishments so great they can't be ignored.

J-Mac.

Brady ain't afraid of punching J-Mac and J-Mac certainly has the "backbone" to absorb the hits.

[gbgary]

Go to the 6:30 mark of this interview and you will get an entirely different idea of what went on in the game Lewis is talking about. Lewis did not mention McCarthy's name here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SSnIp8Rz2U

that interview was done during the bye week. he's still trying to find his place with the team at that point.

[denverYooper]

So, Rodgers' ego is such that he decided to throw this season away in an effort to get rid of his coach?

Sorta appears that way doesn't it.

That's a bit much to read into one story from one guy about one play. What game was it? What was the situation? Was it the right call? Rodgers has long had the flexibility to change the play.

Rodgers had 15 pass plays of 40+ yards this year on throws considered deep by pro-football-reference (targets > 15 yards from LOS) (so plays like the 75 yard TD to Cobb count, as that was charted as a short pass with long RAC). They didn't have the luxury of needing their 4 minute offense often.

Chicago - 51 yards, 11:20 left in 4th Q, GB down 10 pts
Washington - 64 yards, 2:24 2nd quarter, down 18 pts
San Fransisco - 60 yards, 10:53 1st quarter, down 7 pts
San Fransisco - 54 yards, 3:35 1st quarter, up 3 pts
Buffalo - 43 yards, 6:48 1st quarter, score tied
Detroit - 54 yards, 0:19 4th quarter, down 11 pts
Seattle - 41 yards, 1st quarter, up 7 pts
Seattle - 54 yards, 1st quarter, up 4 pts
Seattle - 57 yards, 11:23 4th quarter, up 1 pt
New England - 51 yards, 14:14 3rd quarter, down 7 pts
LA Rams - 48 yards, 7:18 1st quarter, tie game
LA Rams - 41 yards, 3th Q, 7:04, down 10 pts
LA Rams - 40 yards, 4th Q, 8:57 down 6 pts

(Philbin)
New York Jets - 49 yards, 2nd quarter, down 14 pts
New York Jets - 43 yards, 4th Q 12:53, down 15 pts

Which of those was the one Lewis was talking about? In no situation above were they protecting a lead late. I can't find the link at the moment, but elsewhere there is a video of Lewis and Martellus Bennett discussing how M3's offense did not use TEs in the receiving game very well.

I will buy that Rodgers and M3 behaved like a couple headed for divorce and it doomed their season. That makes sense. But going so far as to say that Rodgers threw the entire season is because of "ego", to me, a bridge too far.

[gbgary]

no wonder the young WR's, and noobs like Graham and Jones, weren't on the same page as Rodgers. they practice MM's game plan all week then game day comes and Rodgers goes rogue and starts playing street ball. how can he get comfortable with guys when he does that?

[gbgary]

Which of those was the one Lewis was talking about?

Lewis said it was the buffalo game. the same game Rodgers threw MM under the bus about after the game. he said it was the worst offensive game he could remember, or something along those lines.

[Bossman641]

That's a bit much to read into one story from one guy about one play. What game was it? What was the situation? Was it the right call? Rodgers has long had the flexibility to change the play.

All valid points. It sure sounds like the relationship was quite toxic however and must have been very visible to the rest of the team. When you have a veteran like Lewis saying he saw things he's never witnessed before it's a bad sign.

[Joemailman]

I think what ish is saying here is that with the degree of petulance displayed by Rodgers you're going to need someone with gravitas to come in to be able to get AR to toe the line a bit. Harbaugh has the pedigree and Manning is an all-timer who AR would have no choice but to respect given his accomplishments. Not that I'm backing either candidate but it's looking more and more they're going to have to pick someone with some real backbone or with accomplishments so great they can't be ignored.

Dan Campbell. He'll kick Rodgers' ass if he doesn't toe the line.

[texaspackerbacker]

Just what we need (NOT) - some shithead who will fuck with the best thing the team has and does.

[esoxx]

Dan Campbell. He'll kick Rodgers' ass if he doesn't toe the line.

Is that Richard Moll from Night Court?

[gbgary]

Is that Richard Moll from Night Court?

looks a little like bert.

[gbgary]

another tidbit...https://twitter.com/eagleton_mark/st...933999617?s=19

[Rutnstrut]

Just what we need (NOT) - some shithead who will fuck with the best thing the team has and does.

Is he really the best thing the team has if he keeps playing/acting like this? If he refuses to tow the line for the new coach, I wouldn't mind seeing them trade him.