Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[pbmax]

That said, he’s still not reading defenses pre snap, he still can’t figure out where the blitz is coming from he still wasted time outs like they were nothing

You have to be kidding me. He was calling half the protections. He also got the ball out faster than he has all month. There were some right side protection problems again but only 3 or 4. Hard to blame Veldheer for it. That half slide protection they have always gets burnt with a guy coming up the middle between Linsley and Turner.

The blitzer or end reads the Guard, if they slide outside, they loop around and head for the middle because Linsley is going the other way to help LEEEEEROY Jenkins.

[pbmax]

It’s just amazing how terrible he looked in a dome 2 weeks ago and how he was throwing perfect balls last night in the cold

I don’t remember any bad throws last night, most of his incompletions had to be throw always

That said, he’s still not reading defenses pre snap, he still can’t figure out where the blitz is coming from he still wasted time outs like they were nothing, and he was still locking in to his primary receiver

If San Fran can double Adams and take him out of the game, we have no shot, unless Rodgers somehow decides he can throw the ball to other guys

And where was jones last night as a pass catching threat? It would have been nice to hit him a couple times quickly on those blitzes

I agree about his throws, the only poor throws (one to Graham) were when he had pressure in front of him. He stood in well last night.

[pbmax]

Seattle normally had six guys on the LOS in run downs PLUS an ILB or two. Seven or eight in a box, you need to pass on it occasionally.

[beveaux1]

The game plan was to focus on Adams because of Seattle's weak pass rush and their below average CB play. SF has a completely different secondary and pass rush.
I'm sure that our offense will not be the same against SF. Adams will not have a record breaking day and Rodgers will have to find someone else to throw to.

Rodgers may look like he did against the Vikings or he may look like he did against the Lions. He still has nobody he feels comfortable with outside of Adams, Graham, and maybe Lazard.
This team still needs receiver help and I would say they still have no real threats outside of Jones and Adams.

But...I think we have a chance to win because we have a pass rush and a pretty good secondary. We also have a running game and we have Rodgers. That can tip the field a little.

Just don't expect our offense to win the game the game this week, and don't expect Rodgers to be lights out in this game.

[RashanGary]

True beveaux. Turnovers gonna be huge in this one.

Very very different game. Sf is a little better than Seattle. More Complete.

Gonna be a very different game. Whoever is in the SB, earned it from the NFC cuz the Packers are complete too. Q

[Bretsky]

Last time after SF kicked our asses the Packer Beat Guy on 1070 noted a few SF coaches noted their number one priority was to stop Aaron Jones and let the chips fall as they may. My gut tells me they will do the same. AROD was great against Seattle, just pure great ! He'll need to be just as good or better for us to have a shot this week

[mraynrand]

Rodgers is focused on Adams because they are seeing the same stuff and adjusting in synch. That 3rd down adjustment late is what Rodgers expects from everyone, and he only trusts Adams, Jones, and maybe Graham. The rest of the WR corps is in the same class as Metcalf for Seattle - if the pattern the receiver knows to run is open, he'll throw it there, but if it's cut off, he knows there will be no adjustment and eats the ball if the primary (Adams or Jones) is doubled and the pressure is there.

[pbmax]

^ And Williams I would say, but only Adams and Jones are turning those into big plays on the regular.

My only suggestion would be to try to run Williams on some more screens where he shines. But a speedy 49 D line might be too disruptive.

[mraynrand]

^ And Williams I would say, but only Adams and Jones are turning those into big plays on the regular.

My only suggestion would be to try to run Williams on some more screens where he shines. But a speedy 49 D line might be too disruptive.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a little more speed. The Rams really defeated the niners rush with a lot of very quick throws and screens.

Would Adams get double coverage if he released as a blocker on a bubble screen? If not, I like his chances there too.

[Rutnstrut]

Rodgers is focused on Adams because they are seeing the same stuff and adjusting in synch. That 3rd down adjustment late is what Rodgers expects from everyone, and he only trusts Adams, Jones, and maybe Graham. The rest of the WR corps is in the same class as Metcalf for Seattle - if the pattern the receiver knows to run is open, he'll throw it there, but if it's cut off, he knows there will be no adjustment and eats the ball if the primary (Adams or Jones) is doubled and the pressure is there.

It's obvious that Adams is who he trusts most. Yet he was playing better when Adams was out. So imo most of the issues are on Rodgers.

[pbmax]

It's obvious that Adams is who he trusts most. Yet he was playing better when Adams was out. So imo most of the issues are on Rodgers.

You can only design so many plays short to get guys open. Defenses adjust. When is the last time you saw a bubble screen go for big yardage from them? Even with Kumerow, Allison or Lazard blocking?

Rodgers contributes in some mix of the following, he learns not to trust receivers and he expects adjustments to coverage. He also can't wait out the play and throw off balance because several of his options aren't great at getting the ball even if he hits the target. Only two of the targets can break big plays.

That and his inability to hit the deep ball cause several drives a game to short circuit.

[mraynrand]

I don’t buy totally into the Rodgers was better without Adams claim. 1) see Sunday night. 2). Did he play better against Philly after Adams went out? 3) competition. Have to check on the actual games but I think their schedule was tougher when Adams was in. 4) adjustments. With Adams our, Packers made Jones the primary. He was Adams in those games. Maybe the offense worked better for a while, but teams adjusted to Jones also. Needs more research.

[gbgary]

I don’t buy totally into the Rodgers was better without Adams claim. 1) see Sunday night. 2). Did he play better against Philly after Adams went out? 3) competition. Have to check on the actual games but I think their schedule was tougher when Adams was in. 4) adjustments. With Adams our, Packers made Jones the primary. He was Adams in those games. Maybe the offense worked better for a while, but teams adjusted to Jones also. Needs more research.

i think his comp % was up and ratings were up during adams' absence.


edit:
averaged 115.62 qb rating during that period (95.4 for the season)
averaged 69.14 comp % (62 for the season)
averaged 64.37 qbr (50.4 for the season)

[mraynrand]

i think his comp % was up and ratings were up during adams' absence.


edit:
averaged 115.62 qb rating during that period (95.4 for the season)
averaged 69.14 comp % (62 for the season)
averaged 64.37 qbr (50.4 for the season)

Sure, that's a start. But the competition was Dallas, Det, Oak, KC. Oakland has a terrible pass defense, Rodgers had a perfect game and Jones ran great in all those games. Rodgers also played exceptionally well at KC. All games Jones was used extensively in the pass game (7 catches on 8 targets for about 160 at KC). So while I agree that Rodgers 'played better' I think it was a factor of the competition (Oak, Moore-run KC team - it makes a difference to not have to play catchup), and the altered offense to Jones - great run support and easier completions with Jones doing the rest. Maybe, just maybe, they'll be able to integrate everything on Sunday.

[beveaux1]

i think his comp % was up and ratings were up during adams' absence.


edit:
averaged 115.62 qb rating during that period (95.4 for the season)
averaged 69.14 comp % (62 for the season)
averaged 64.37 qbr (50.4 for the season)

I think this is pretty misleading. For the four games missed, these are his numbers: completion %---qb rating---QBR
DAL 64.7 85.2 58.2
DET 61.5 95.5 24.6
OAK 80.6 158.3 95.5
KC 69.7 129.0 79.2


As you can see, he wasn't great the first two games. It wasn't until they schemed Jones free in Oakland that he had great numbers. By the time Adams was back, Jones was covered by a CB.
The other receivers (not named Jones) were non-factors throughout this stretch.

Bottom line: We only have 2 offensive threats on the roster. Graham, Lazard, and Williams are contributers (somewhat) , but are not threats.