Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[texaspackerbacker]

graham's been ok. they had too many other problems to solve to worry about TE. it's not like TE has been a priority target for rodgers or anything. just ok was good enough.

I hardly ever agree with what you say, but you found an acorn of truth here. Graham is mostly a victim of the expectations Packer fans had for him based on his past. And yeah, Aaron Rodgers doesn't make a lot of use of TEs. We really haven't ever had a great TE in Green Bay probably since the Lombardi Era - and even he was a bit less than expected of him.

If we ever did stumble into getting a John Mackey or even a Kittle or Kelce, we probably would use them more. But if the guy isn't both a super blocker and all out tackle breaker, then we're better off with extra WRs on the field.

[Fritz]

I hardly ever agree with what you say, but you found an acorn of truth here. Graham is mostly a victim of the expectations Packer fans had for him based on his past. And yeah, Aaron Rodgers doesn't make a lot of use of TEs. We really haven't ever had a great TE in Green Bay probably since the Lombardi Era - and even he was a bit less than expected of him.

If we ever did stumble into getting a John Mackey or even a Kittle or Kelce, we probably would use them more. But if the guy isn't both a super blocker and all out tackle breaker, then we're better off with extra WRs on the field.

Jimmy Graham is a lumbering tight end who really doesn't want to get hit or hit anyone any more. That's a bad combination. Unfortunately, the alternatives aren't producing much, for reasons I am not sure of.

And Tex, Rodgers had lots of time in the Detroit game when he missed all those long passes. He overthrew most of the game on those, then underthrew late in the game on two or three. He has time, Tex, but no touch.

If he can't play consistently better on Sunday, this team isn't going anywhere but home.

[Bossman641]

Graham sucks. I can't think of a single 50/50 ball he's caught but I can think of about 10 he's missed, mostly by trying to 1 hand them for some reason. For a 6'7" former bball player he has zero aggressiveness going after the ball.

[pbmax]

Graham sucks. I can't think of a single 50/50 ball he's caught but I can think of about 10 he's missed, mostly by trying to 1 hand them for some reason. For a 6'7" former bball player he has zero aggressiveness going after the ball.

He can't, or won't, jump for the ball anymore.

[Deputy Nutz]

don't worry. i reported your personal attack on dan

if you can't take someone elses opinion without getting pissed off and attacking them, then you need to not be on the internet

you need to not be on the site anymore. you and radagast are really turning this place to shit

Hold on one goddamn minute, a personal attack is like going after someone's family or personal life outside of this forum. Calling someone names is perfectly acceptable behavior on a Packer Forum.

[Deputy Nutz]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...edium=referral

oouch

this could have been written by me, but was not

its not something we've making up folks because we want to hate

I have been waiting oh so patiently for this exact moment, when the media and the fans start to turn on Rodgers, similar to the way they turned on Favre. Two different styles and complaints, but they are still turning.

[pbmax]

With Favre they turned a total of 4 times. Five, if you count all the original disbelievers

1. Too young, too wild, getting hit too much, too risky, too many interceptions (through what, 1994?)
2. Matured into great player with great arm (through 1998)
3. Injured, has lost touch and patience. Can trust as game manager with Sherman's running game. Should trust Bill Schroeder more. (1999 through 2004)
4. Completely done (2005 and 2006)
5. Remarkable comeback, near MVP (2007)
6. Playing retirement games like Elway or Manning did with the draft (2008 ->)

At every one of these turns, Colin Cowherd was right there, riding a wave of conventional wisdom and proclaiming he was smart and brave.

But be careful life long Packer fans, this former Browns fan remembers LOTS of doubters in this state hoping first that Majik would retake the job or worry that Favre would always be a loose cannon. He did not get a converts until that mid-1994 light switch got thrown.

[Zool]

graham's been ok. they had too many other problems to solve to worry about TE. it's not like TE has been a priority target for rodgers or anything. just ok was good enough.

If Graham wasn't the highest paid TE in the league, I would agree.

[pbmax]

graham's been ok. they had too many other problems to solve to worry about TE. it's not like TE has been a priority target for rodgers or anything. just ok was good enough.

I think this point is taken too far. He has had crap to work with at TE since Finley lost his mind and his health in that contract year.

The year he had an actual weapon?

                                                                                         
                    Game Game Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece  Rece   Rece  Rece  Tota
Player                 G   GS  Tgt  Rec  Yds  Y/R   TD  Lng  R/G   Y/G  Ctch% Y/Tgt Touch
Jordy Nelson          16   16  152   97 1257 13.0   14   60  6.1  78.6  63.8%   8.3    97
Davante Adams         16   15  121   75  997 13.3   12   66  4.7  62.3  62.0%   8.2    75
Randall Cobb          13   10   84   60  610 10.2    4   47  4.6  46.9  71.4%   7.3    70
Ty Montgomery         15    6   56   44  348  7.9    0   24  2.9  23.2  78.6%   6.2   121
Richard Rodgers       16    6   47   30  271  9.0    2   22  1.9  16.9  63.8%   5.8    30
Jared Cook            10    5   51   30  377 12.6    1   47  3.0  37.7  58.8%   7.4    30
James Starks           9    4   25   19  134  7.1    2   31  2.1  14.9  76.0%   5.4    82
Geronimo Allison      10    2   22   12  202 16.8    2   39  1.2  20.2  54.5%   9.2    12
Jeff Janis            16    1   19   11   93  8.5    1   25  0.7   5.8  57.9%   4.9    13
Aaron Ripkowski       16    8   10    9   46  5.1    1    9  0.6   2.9  90.0%   4.6    43
Justin Perillo         9    1    5    4   35  8.8    0   13  0.4   3.9  80.0%   7.0     4
Eddie Lacy             5    5    7    4   28  7.0    0   17  0.8   5.6  57.1%   4.0    75
Trevor Davis          11    0    7    3   24  8.0    1    9  0.3   2.2  42.9%   3.4     3

Provided by Pro-Football-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 1/10/2020.

Jared Cook lost 6 games to his foot injury and probably wasn't himself for a couple games before they shut him down. But if he plays the entire 16, that is 81 targets minimum.

[QBME]

After 38 pages on the board, guess we're gonna find out.

[Fritz]

I turned on Favre after that ridiculous "I'm retired maybe I'm not retired" routine he pulled in 2009.

I've begun to turn on Rodgers because he seems like such a jerk to his teammates. The scowling and eye-rolling and gesturing are ridiculous - and now that his own skills are not longer those of Superman, he doesn't seem to be willing to change his game. Maybe one of the receivers should scowl at him and roll his eyes next time Rodgers overthrows one of them for what should have been a long touchdown.

[mraynrand]

I turned on Favre after that ridiculous "I'm retired maybe I'm not retired" routine he pulled in 2009.

I've begun to turn on Rodgers because he seems like such a jerk to his teammates. The scowling and eye-rolling and gesturing are ridiculous - and now that his own skills are not longer those of Superman, he doesn't seem to be willing to change his game. Maybe one of the receivers should scowl at him and roll his eyes next time Rodgers overthrows one of them for what should have been a long touchdown.

He's like Jack Nicholson in that insane asylum

[George Cumby]

I turned on Favre after that ridiculous "I'm retired maybe I'm not retired" routine he pulled in 2009.

I've begun to turn on Rodgers because he seems like such a jerk to his teammates. The scowling and eye-rolling and gesturing are ridiculous - and now that his own skills are not longer those of Superman, he doesn't seem to be willing to change his game. Maybe one of the receivers should scowl at him and roll his eyes next time Rodgers overthrows one of them for what should have been a long touchdown.

Yes.

[Zool]

I turned on Favre after that ridiculous "I'm retired maybe I'm not retired" routine he pulled in 2009.

I've begun to turn on Rodgers because he seems like such a jerk to his teammates. The scowling and eye-rolling and gesturing are ridiculous - and now that his own skills are not longer those of Superman, he doesn't seem to be willing to change his game. Maybe one of the receivers should scowl at him and roll his eyes next time Rodgers overthrows one of them for what should have been a long touchdown.

I’ve been wondering when he gets moved to the private locker room Darth Favre used his last couple seasons.

[Fritz]

I’ve been wondering when he gets moved to the private locker room Darth Favre used his last couple seasons.

I don't know how much self-insight Rodgers possesses, but you hope he can see the parallels and maybe try to avoid the sour ending of Favre's career.

Or maybe Rodgers will do whatever the hell he wants, knowing that after enough time passes, he'll come back to Lambeau to a rousing ovation, all forgiven.

Damn. Maybe I need to allow my inner arsehole out more often. Let enough time pass, and all seems to be forgiven.