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  • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
    Damn. Maybe I need to allow my inner arsehole out more often. Let enough time pass, and all seems to be forgiven.
    You can hope time heals it, but preparation H is more effective.
    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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    • You stole Cleft Crusty's line.
      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

      KYPack

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      • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
        You stole Cleft Crusty's line.
        I’m just a stupid idiom.
        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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        • Part of me was thinking with all these huge WRs and TEs on the roster (6'3"+) Rodgers would take advantage of the catch radius, but then I realized he will rarely throw a closely contested ball -- it's too risky. It's a little maddening when you know the receiver has 4-5" on the CB, but I get not wanting to turn the ball over. This will be especially interesting now that it's the playoffs, where importance of turnovers/big plays are magnified. I'd like to see the route concepts and Rodgers' throws take advantage of this... Sterling Sharpe wasn't a burner, but he could post up like a power forward. Not sure Lazard or Graham can't do the same.

          It also makes me think Gute/MLF need to reexamine the makeup of their receivers this offseason to add a smaller, shiftier receiver who can separate with good routes. Rodgers will throw to them if they can get so obviously open that even Cleft can see them without his spectacles.

          For now they gotta play with who they got.

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          • Yet we went 13-3 hahahaha. We're adding this hotshot Canadian League guy who kinda fits what you're asking for. I think/hope what we draft, though, second round or whatever, is what IMO we need more: a real speed burner.

            A good receiver corps should have some of all those categories. Arguably, Adams is more that shifty type than anything else; Having the bigs is worthwhile too.
            What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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            • People, there's a huge game on Sunday. What are you talking about next year for?

              Can't that wait until after the Packers lose?
              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

              KYPack

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              • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                I don't know how much self-insight Rodgers possesses, but you hope he can see the parallels and maybe try to avoid the sour ending of Favre's career.

                Or maybe Rodgers will do whatever the hell he wants, knowing that after enough time passes, he'll come back to Lambeau to a rousing ovation, all forgiven.

                Damn. Maybe I need to allow my inner arsehole out more often. Let enough time pass, and all seems to be forgiven.
                Being in business has taught me one undeniable fact. People who demand something usually get it. Even if its not what they really want or need. Even against the advice they are receiving.

                Or if in the circumstances of the moment, demanding it means they'll get a off target version of what they are asking for. Usually because they think they have discovered a way to do it at a discount.

                The glow doesn't wear off until they discover it doesn't do what they want it to do and no one else is impressed. And by then, they are already on to the next demand.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • Originally posted by run pMc View Post
                  Part of me was thinking with all these huge WRs and TEs on the roster (6'3"+) Rodgers would take advantage of the catch radius, but then I realized he will rarely throw a closely contested ball -- it's too risky. It's a little maddening when you know the receiver has 4-5" on the CB, but I get not wanting to turn the ball over. This will be especially interesting now that it's the playoffs, where importance of turnovers/big plays are magnified. I'd like to see the route concepts and Rodgers' throws take advantage of this... Sterling Sharpe wasn't a burner, but he could post up like a power forward. Not sure Lazard or Graham can't do the same.

                  It also makes me think Gute/MLF need to reexamine the makeup of their receivers this offseason to add a smaller, shiftier receiver who can separate with good routes. Rodgers will throw to them if they can get so obviously open that even Cleft can see them without his spectacles.

                  For now they gotta play with who they got.
                  I am not buying this analysis.

                  He has thrown contested balls or jump balls to Graham, MVS and (a year or two ago) Allison. Graham no longer elevates, MVS doesn't know how to get a ball unless it drops to him and Allison is always going to the ground on contact.

                  On the other hand, Adams and Lazard and Williams get tough throws. He trusts them.

                  Now its still a bit selfish not to try to use the others as he probably doesn't take enough risks given his low INT total. But they have demonstrated they aren't good at that part of the job. I think he is fairly begging to get receivers who can do what Lazard and Adams do.

                  I'm not sure if the deep throws fall into the same category. He throws too many short to be only concerned only with turnovers. But it could be he doesn't think its working anymore.
                  Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                  • played his best game of the season last night. comp % wasn't good 59% but had one drop i believe, had a couple of inexplicable throwaways, but he was pretty damn clutch too. dropped some dimes on adams. graham had his best game too. they did some unPackerlike things last night. used the middle of the field, featured the TE, threw a rare slant, let small ball set up the shots.

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                    • 12 was sick on third down last night. 7/9 or something? The bulk of which got first downs including two clutch throws the final drive.

                      Where’s this guy been all season?

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                      • Let's keep talking shit about him. He'll shine in SF if we keep it up.

                        Rodgers sucks!
                        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                        KYPack

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                        • Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                          Let's keep talking shit about him. He'll shine in SF if we keep it up.

                          Rodgers sucks!
                          He really does seem to feed off it. Just part of his programming most likely. So all the knob polishers on here have been the responsible for the O problems all season.

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                          • Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
                            He really does seem to feed off it. Just part of his programming most likely. So all the knob polishers on here have been the responsible for the O problems all season.
                            LMAO Sore Lips...Callused Knees...And now No Where to Hide...You Have Been Called Out.

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                            • It’s just amazing how terrible he looked in a dome 2 weeks ago and how he was throwing perfect balls last night in the cold

                              I don’t remember any bad throws last night, most of his incompletions had to be throw always

                              That said, he’s still not reading defenses pre snap, he still can’t figure out where the blitz is coming from he still wasted time outs like they were nothing, and he was still locking in to his primary receiver

                              If San Fran can double Adams and take him out of the game, we have no shot, unless Rodgers somehow decides he can throw the ball to other guys

                              And where was jones last night as a pass catching threat? It would have been nice to hit him a couple times quickly on those blitzes

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                              • Originally posted by red View Post
                                It’s just amazing how terrible he looked in a dome 2 weeks ago and how he was throwing perfect balls last night in the cold

                                I don’t remember any bad throws last night, most of his incompletions had to be throw always

                                That said, he’s still not reading defenses pre snap, he still can’t figure out where the blitz is coming from he still wasted time outs like they were nothing, and he was still locking in to his primary receiver

                                If San Fran can double Adams and take him out of the game, we have no shot, unless Rodgers somehow decides he can throw the ball to other guys

                                And where was jones last night as a pass catching threat? It would have been nice to hit him a couple times quickly on those blitzes
                                I think Seattle was focused on keeping Jones out of the passing game, and they have the linebackers to do it. But they paid the price with Adams having a huge night. If 49ers want to double Adams Rodgers and Lafleur will need to attack elsewhere, or move Adams around. Rodgers wouldn't have had some of the 3rd down conversions he had last night if he wasn't reading defenses pre-snap. I do think he's still too focused on Adams though. Lazard going out of the game probably didn't help last might.
                                I can't run no more
                                With that lawless crowd
                                While the killers in high places
                                Say their prayers out loud
                                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                                A thundercloud
                                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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