The Next Few Years - Rebuild Mode

[yetisnowman]

Imo the most likely outcome now is that Aaron leaves in a year or two, AND Jordan Love doesn't pan out as a franchise qb. It's weird how little this scenario is discussed comparatively. Like Love being a viable successor is just a foregone conclusion, and it's just a matter of when.

[sharpe1027]

Yeah because finding HOF QB’s is just so easy. Lol. We do it in our sleep.

So the answer is clear. Don't bother drafting QBs because the only acceptable outcome is getting a HOFer and odds are too bad of that happening.

Seriously though, you may need to take multiple shots to find a quality starter, more if you need a true elite QB. That is justification for drafting more QBs earlier, not less later

[texaspackerbacker]

Bob McGinn:

Public niceties aside, my sense is LaFleur, fresh from a terrific 13-3 baptismal season, simply had enough of Rodgers’ act and wanted to change the narrative. With a first-round talent on the roster, the Packers would gain leverage with their imperial quarterback and his passive-aggressive style. If the Packers do indeed want to become a running team next season, they surely wouldn’t want Rodgers rocking the boat and becoming even more difficult to coach.

McGinn has always been a piece of shit - an anti-Packer piece of shit.

[Upnorth]

Imo the most likely outcome now is that Aaron leaves in a year or two, AND Jordan Love doesn't pan out as a franchise qb. It's weird how little this scenario is discussed comparatively. Like Love being a viable successor is just a foregone conclusion, and it's just a matter of when.

I don't think anyone assumes love will be of, or even decent. but we hope he is and understand the timing.

[run pMc]

Imo the most likely outcome now is that Aaron leaves in a year or two, AND Jordan Love doesn't pan out as a franchise qb. It's weird how little this scenario is discussed comparatively. Like Love being a viable successor is just a foregone conclusion, and it's just a matter of when.

Agree - it's not a foregone conclusion. It does give them options and leverage.
Love gets this year to learn, next offseason to show if he's making a Year2 leap. If he's hot garbage, they dump him and keep Rodgers. If he's at least ok but Rodgers goes off and wins the Superb Owl they probably pull a Garrapolo and trade Love while keeping Rodgers but drafting another QB. If Love looks good they trade Rodgers after 2 years for a haul of picks.

When ARI drafted Rosen and then Murray in back to back years I thought they were Millen-level-crazy at first, but then I realized that if you are looking for a franchise type QB you have to spend the picks until you get one...and then you hang onto them as long as you realistically can. I think GB will do that until Rodgers forces their hand.

[Upnorth]

I hope we draft another QB next year. enough bullets and you eventually hit the target. We know arods end is 2-5 years. Gotta try

[sharpe1027]

Imo the most likely outcome now is that Aaron leaves in a year or two, AND Jordan Love doesn't pan out as a franchise qb. It's weird how little this scenario is discussed comparatively. Like Love being a viable successor is just a foregone conclusion, and it's just a matter of when.

Nobody is saying Love's a sure thing. Far from it.

Assuming a late first round pick is going be the difference maker that pushes a team to win the Superbowl...How do you view that?

[yetisnowman]

My view is that taking a WR, OL, LB in the 26-30 range and using the rest of the draft to be aggressive would have given us a better chance to compete for super bowls than Jordan Love has of being a franchise QB. Taking a final 4 team with a pro bowl QB and drafting for 1-3 seasons down the line is sort of unprecedented.

[wist43]

The timing wasn't right, and while there are similarities to the Favre situation - the main difference is Favre was doing the retirement dance every offseason while Rodgers has said he wants to continue playing.

Rodgers going off script had to be dealt with - how I'm not sure, and is debatable; but, I don't think this was the right way to go about it.

As for Love, if you watch his combine tape, he's very impressive. Crazy arm talent. Puts big air under the ball deep and can drop it in on-target. His mechanics looked better at the combine than on game film. His in-game decision making was very erratic.

In short, he is what his scouting report says, i.e. a bigtime talent with a lot of question marks.

If I had to bet, I'd say he's more likely to boom than bust, but it's going to take him a lot of time to get there... he's very raw.

[yetisnowman]

And I'm as critical of Aaron's big game chokiness as anyone, but I hate this offseason and the drama it creates. At least a year too early to be reaching and gambling trying to roll a hard 8.

[GB-Brandon]

So the answer is clear. Don't bother drafting QBs because the only acceptable outcome is getting a HOFer and odds are too bad of that happening.

Seriously though, you may need to take multiple shots to find a quality starter, more if you need a true elite QB. That is justification for drafting more QBs earlier, not less later

Many including myself had this team as being a few pieces away from being able to get over the hump on a 13-3 campaign and winning a Super Bowl. So with all the urgency to complete the puzzle I would argue trading up for Love instead of taking chances TO WIN NOW puts way more pressure on the JL pick to hit and for him to become something special.

For example, If all we ever get from this is a competent back up QB it would be widely considered a catastrophic failure.

[GB-Brandon]

The timing wasn't right, and while there are similarities to the Favre situation - the main difference is Favre was doing the retirement dance every offseason while Rodgers has said he wants to continue playing.

Rodgers going off script had to be dealt with - how I'm not sure, and is debatable; but, I don't think this was the right way to go about it.

As for Love, if you watch his combine tape, he's very impressive. Crazy arm talent. Puts big air under the ball deep and can drop it in on-target. His mechanics looked better at the combine than on game film. His in-game decision making was very erratic.

In short, he is what his scouting report says, i.e. a bigtime talent with a lot of question marks.

If I had to bet, I'd say he's more likely to boom than bust, but it's going to take him a lot of time to get there... he's very raw.

I share some of that sentiment. This move basically gives Gute/Lafluer 4 years to put things together.

[Packers4Glory]

My view is that taking a WR, OL, LB in the 26-30 range and using the rest of the draft to be aggressive would have given us a better chance to compete for super bowls than Jordan Love has of being a franchise QB. Taking a final 4 team with a pro bowl QB and drafting for 1-3 seasons down the line is sort of unprecedented.

not to mention a pro bowl WR and a pro bowl RB to go along with the new WR.

defensively whoever may have been drafted didn't need to carry the team. we have clark and the smiths. A rookie could have helped either area in a support role

[HarveyWallbangers]

Barnwell with a timely story that echoes what I've been saying about the 2005 draft.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29113276/2020-nfl-draft-surprises-why-did-packers-eagles-draft-quarterbacks-jordan-love-jalen-hurts

This situation isn't all that different from when the Packers drafted Rodgers in 2005.

I could do a whole other article on this, so let me be brief. With hindsight, we can look back and say that it was easy for the Packers to draft Rodgers and that there was a dramatic difference between him and Love as prospects. That's not realistic. There were plenty of reasons NFL teams were skeptical of Rodgers at the time, most notably the idea that he was another product of Jeff Tedford, who had sent first-rounders such as Akili Smith, Joey Harrington and Kyle Boller to the pros, only for them to fail.

The idea that Rodgers was in the mix for the first overall pick and then wasn't really an option for other teams before the Packers snapped him up at No. 24 is also revisionist history. The Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown at No. 2 and started a 34-year-old Gus Frerotte at quarterback. The Browns added Braylon Edwards as opposed to upsetting their mix of Trent Dilfer and Charlie Frye. Teams starting Chris Simms, Mark Brunell, Drew Bledsoe, Jake Delhomme, Trent Green, Kyle Boller and Kerry Collins all passed on drafting Rodgers before the Packers took him. Most of the league passed on Rodgers until he fell to a roughly similar spot as Love.

[pbmax]

I think everyone is giving both Gute and The Flower too much credit for cunning.

I think the board fell this way and now they wait and hope it doesn't blow up in their face. Gute, as seems to be the new normal, isn't really excited about expending major capital on a WR unless its a big value.

The plan was that everyone will see it as reasonable. But if Rodgers doesn't agree, these two aren't going to get 4 years to straighten it out.

To go from 13-3 and hit .500 hard for 2-3 years won't do it.