Official 2021 NFL Draft Thread

[Joemailman]

What is everyonea thoughts on nico Collins.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-comps-michigan-wr-nico-collins

Both mvs and eq brown are on his. Comparable list. If he is around in 5th I bet we get him

He's probably flown under the radar a bit because he opted out in 2020 and had a bad QB in 2019. But I don't think he'd be available in the 5th round. 3rd is more like it. Green Bay would be a great spot for him because he wouldn't have to start right away.

[HarveyWallbangers]

RB group looks weak. I like Harris, Etienne, and Javonte Williams--but the top is below average and the rest is even weaker. I'm not enamored with much after that. I don't see much to get excited about in Carter, Gainwell, and others. One guy that I want to dig into more is Elijah Mitchell.

I went to four draft sites and added every player that is listed as top 100 in one of the draft sites, so I'm not looking at as many players. For RBs, the guys I looked at are:

Najee Harris
Travis Etienne
Javonte Williams

Michael Carter
Trey Sermon

Kenneth Gainwell
Rhamondre Stephenson

Elijah Mitchell
Kylin Hill
Jermar Jefferson
Jaret Patterson
Chuba Hubbard

Larry Rountree

[HarveyWallbangers]

TE group looks a little weak also--except for Pitts. Freiermuth isn't much of a blocker. Kind of looks like Jace Sternberger to me. Besides Pitts, I don't think I'd take another TE in the first two rounds. Tremble and McKitty look intriguing. I'm going to look at them some more.

OT group looks good. There are good players in the first half of the draft, a sweet spot in the late 1st/early 2nd, and a few other guys that are intriguing. I thought I'd like Walker Little and Brady Christensen more--because of the hype they have been getting. I'd be happy with Jenkins, Eichenberg, or Radunz. Mayfield doesn't fit our athletic profile.

[Joemailman]

TE group looks a little weak also--except for Pitts. Freiermuth isn't much of a blocker. Kind of looks like Jace Sternberger to me. Besides Pitts, I don't think I'd take another TE in the first two rounds. Tremble and McKitty look intriguing. I'm going to look at them some more.

OT group looks good. There are good players in the first half of the draft, a sweet spot in the late 1st/early 2nd, and a few other guys that are intriguing. I thought I'd like Walker Little and Brady Christensen more--because of the hype they have been getting. I'd be happy with Jenkins, Eichenberg, or Radunz. Mayfield doesn't fit our athletic profile.

Every draft site I've looked at has downgraded Mayfield since his Pro Day. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that NFL teams have. I guess teams will have to decide whether Mayfield just had a bad day, or whether it means he lacks the athleticism he was thought to have.

[jklowan]

What I am hoping for is a trade down with either Miami or Jacksonville and we pick up 2 2nd rounders, thus giving us 3 second round picks and we address OT / CB & DL or LB in one fell swoop. I think that would be the start to a great draft.

[bobblehead]

RB group looks weak. I like Harris, Etienne, and Javonte Williams--but the top is below average and the rest is even weaker. I'm not enamored with much after that. I don't see much to get excited about in Carter, Gainwell, and others. One guy that I want to dig into more is Elijah Mitchell.

I went to four draft sites and added every player that is listed as top 100 in one of the draft sites, so I'm not looking at as many players. For RBs, the guys I looked at are:

Najee Harris
Travis Etienne
Javonte Williams

Michael Carter
Trey Sermon

Kenneth Gainwell
Rhamondre Stephenson

Elijah Mitchell
Kylin Hill
Jermar Jefferson
Jaret Patterson
Chuba Hubbard

Larry Rountree

Najee Harris is in his own Tier imo. He is fantastic. Some sleepers in this draft would be Gainwell and Kylin Hill. Would really like to see those guys in our system. Gainwell was viewed as part Joe Morris, part Darren Sproles. He has incredible vision and receiving ability. His biggest knock was SMALL!! But on his pro day he came in at 201 lbs and still ran a 4.42. He opted out when family members died from Covid. At 5'11" he is still just a tad slight for nfl RB, but in todays committee approach he is big enough. He is honestly my #2 rated RB in this draft and I would LOVE to land him at the end of round 2.

[Bretsky]

I'm not sure what your problem with Deguara is. He played early and looked solid fulfilling his role. Unsung, but very useful. I'm guessing he'll be a long-time Packer--fulfilling the Kyle Juszczyk in the Shanahan offense. Tremble is a bit faster than Deguara (I think 4.59 at virutal Pro Day is probably more like mid 4.6s at the combine). Both are great blockers. Deguara has better hands and route running ability though. I have Tremble similarly rated to Deguara heading into their drafts (both as 3rd-4th round picks).

I have never really considered Deguara worthy of a 3rd round pick. He’s ok I guess . Always thought very limited upside and he’s ok. What I hope for in round 5. Just my view

[Joemailman]

What I am hoping for is a trade down with either Miami or Jacksonville and we pick up 2 2nd rounders, thus giving us 3 second round picks and we address OT / CB & DL or LB in one fell swoop. I think that would be the start to a great draft.

I would like to see it, but I don't think it will happen. Gute has never traded out of the 1st round, and every year he has traded up in the 1st round (for Alexander, Savage and Love). Plus, both Miami and Jacksonville already have 2 1st round picks. Kind of doubt they'll feel the need to move up for another one.

Now that I've thoroughly analyzed why it won't happen, it probably will happen.

[run pMc]

Najee Harris is in his own Tier imo. He is fantastic. Some sleepers in this draft would be Gainwell and Kylin Hill. Would really like to see those guys in our system. Gainwell was viewed as part Joe Morris, part Darren Sproles. He has incredible vision and receiving ability. His biggest knock was SMALL!! But on his pro day he came in at 201 lbs and still ran a 4.42. He opted out when family members died from Covid. At 5'11" he is still just a tad slight for nfl RB, but in todays committee approach he is big enough. He is honestly my #2 rated RB in this draft and I would LOVE to land him at the end of round 2.

Yeah I'd switch Gainwell and Sermon on that list. Sermon is good, but Gainwell and Najee Harris are good runner with very good receiving skills. As for Gainwell's size, I don't think 5'11" is too small, the 201 might be. If you have him as the lightning to a thunderback you can do pretty well. Aaron Jones is 5'9" for example.
I actually think there are some pretty good RBs in this draft, including a few Harvey didn't list (I'm starting to like Khalil Herbert)... with the caveat that I like them later in the draft. I don't think you spend a high pick for RB, not with the offense MLF runs where you have a committee. Part of me thinks they will look for a Day 3 speedback like a Javian Hawkins who can take a few carries in the zone scheme, run jet sweeps and get YAC on checkdowns. The other part thinks they will do nothing, or draft a RB high again because Gute is a draft troll.


Now if Harris or Etienne falls outside the top 50 -- which I don't think happens -- then you start to see some irresistible value. Still, after dropping an expensive R2 on Dillon combined with their other needs I don't see RB being a priority pick for Gute.

[run pMc]

I have never really considered Deguara worthy of a 3rd round pick. He’s ok I guess . Always thought very limited upside and he’s ok. What I hope for in round 5. Just my view

I liked Deguara coming out of college, but not in R3. I had him as a mid-R4 to high-R5 pick.
Good hands, feisty, ok speed and routes for a TE. Was a go-to guy inside the 20 and productive player for them. His size/length was a limiting factor, and his athleticism is middling on the pro level, but he's a player you can win with.

I mean, they did ok with guys like Crabtree and he's at least that good.

[RashanGary]

Deguara is going to be a really good piece for the Packers offense. It might take him a year to get back to 100 from that injury. He's kind of good at everything he does. He's old school. He runs just fast enough to be a threat. Juszczyc is a good comp. Opens up all sorts of multi dimensional run/pass options. Even better when you have a traditional TE like Tonyan to further that agenda.

[RashanGary]

Deguara, Tonyan and Lazard are all three run/pass players who make unpredictability a real thing. It takes pressure off the OL, QB and running back to have guys who are multiple and to have an attack that's multiple.

[Bretsky]

Deguara, Tonyan and Lazard are all three run/pass players who make unpredictability a real thing. It takes pressure off the OL, QB and running back to have guys who are multiple and to have an attack that's multiple.

Adams is great; Tonya is really good, or at least he was last year.

Other than that, I'd argue all of our receivers are unpredictable )

[HarveyWallbangers]

Lazard is damn near perfect for this offense. Jones is a great threat in the passing game who can run routes that a lot of backs can’t. MVS can take the top off. Lots of good fits for the offense. Just missing a Deebo Samuel type in the slot and running jet sweeps.

[Bretsky]

Lazard is damn near perfect for this offense. Jones is a great threat in the passing game who can run routes that a lot of backs can’t. MVS can take the top off. Lots of good fits for the offense. Just missing a Deebo Samuel type in the slot and running jet sweeps.

I didn't list Jones, but you know I'm that guys number one fan...or maybe 2 behind Tex ))


You like that Florida WR ? He's Deebo but he'll go very high in round 2 or end of round 1.