More Banjo: Coronavirus And Sports

[George Cumby]

Here's something I didn't know:

The 1918 pandemic was H1N1.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

[call_me_ishmael]

Stop with the bullshit. I can't get past your first sentence without you taking a shot at the president.

It's not taking a shot at the President. It's stating a fact. If you work for a company and are concerned about something, but the CEO goes on and on about how you shouldn't worry and expresses candidly and convincingly that there is nothing to worry about, why would you worry? Now apply that to the country, because that's what the CEO of the country did.

People think its not a big deal because they haven't seen anyone they know sick yet. People think its the flu because the media has and will tell any lie to hurt the president and they have zero credibility left. You love to tell me what the president hasn't done, but how about addressing the 12,500 dead from h1n1 under Obama's watch. I don't recall the media or anyone else being upset.

I'm not informed enough about H1N1 to have an opinion. If he was negligent and had all the signs it was coming and going to be a problem and he cavalierly dismissed it and told Americans not to prepare or worry about it, then yes, he absolutely fucked up too. It's not a partisan thing. Obama isn't perfect.

We can agree to disagree on this. I believe Trump downplaying it and comparing to the flu was a major factor in public perception. Note that the media that Trump supporters watch was parroting the same thing until they realized it was serious and changed their tone. This narrative jives with the radicalized right wing "corona tough guy" narrative I see out there. They're nearly identical!

In your very next sentence you want him to become the authoritarian dictator you have accused him of being for 3+ years. Lord help us if your ilk is ever in power during this type of situation. Based on everything I have ever read that you wrote your neighbor is probably a sweetheart of a lady.

I haven't really accused him of being an authoritarian, I have accused him of quid pro quo and more over I've accused Republicans and supporters of selling their soul to support Trump when there's no bottom to his horrendous demeanor and personality. Policy wise I give him a C. Not an F. Not an A. He's done alright.

I want and expect the CEO to lead. This is a federal issue that must be dealt with at the federal level. Again, just my opinion but I think it's crazy he hasn't mobilized major manufacturers to start making masks and equipment. He is relying on their charity to do it, which right, wrong or indifferent is going to get people killed.

To be crystal clear, my neighbor is a crazy loon of an old bird. Radicalized right winger through and through. Blames Obama for everything. Thinks Dems are evil. She didn't even graduate high school. Has no sense of nuance, everything is black and white. Republicans are just and noble, Democrats are evil. That's her view. You two would probably get along tbh. We had a neighborhood association meeting scheduled for this week, and literally everyone cited Trump's guidelines to cancel it saying no gatherings with more than 10 people. This dumb cunt of a woman went on a big rant about how's there's nothing to worry about and this is just the flu, completely embarrassing herself in front of the entire neighborhood. What a chud.

[call_me_ishmael]

Over half the cases in the nation are in NY.

Sure. And >10% of the countries population lives in NYC (I made this up so it very could be wrong). Cook County is what, 20M so NYC has gotta be significantly bigger.

They aren't testing in bumble fuck Kansas. Almost all of the cases are linked to highly populated metropolis zones.

We have no idea where the infected really are because they obviously travel and this spreads like crazy.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't buy certain numbers from the CDC

And that's where you lose me. The CDC is the best source of info on the situation that we have.

[bobblehead]

Sure. And >10% of the countries population lives in NYC (I made this up so it very could be wrong).

NYC is about 20 million as well. You should really take 5 seconds to use google. Thats about 5.5% of country population and 50% of the cases. 10x more than rest of country.

You ask me to source things, then you make up numbers (admit it even) and expect to be taken seriously.

[call_me_ishmael]

NYC is about 20 million as well. You should really take 5 seconds to use google. Thats about 5.5% of country population and 50% of the cases. 10x more than rest of country.

You ask me to source things, then you make up numbers (admit it even) and expect to be taken seriously.

I know, that was pretty bad, was in a conf call lol!

[texaspackerbacker]

Except I am taking it way more seriously than you are. I do think people should stay away from each other for the time being. I have to walk my dog, but I never get within 10 yards of anyone and I wash my hands the minute I get home. this has a significant kill rate. If we go about like nothing is happening 100's of thousands die. Kids should NOT be playing basketball....even close friends.

I respect you taking the middle ground here. Avoiding getting it, sure, is a consideration, especially for supposedly high risk people, and for that, the precautions are a good idea. Where I disagree with you, though, is the kill rate/risk of death among young people and/or healthy people of almost any age. Those kids should be playing basketball if they feel like it because even if they do catch it, it's not gonna do them any significant harm anyway. Ditto that for schools, stores, factories, and absolutely sports events - which never shoulda been shut down.

Cuomo - who has been a Dem with the closest thing to good sense that any of them have shown in this mess - says he thinks 40-80% of New Yorkers will catch corona. That's 8-16 million people. 1%+ death rate which they are pushing would be 80-160,000 deaths in that state alone. Now CMI might believe crap like that, but tell me you don't. Even if the rate getting the virus was that much, I wouldn't expect even 1% of the 1% the panic-mongers project (800-1,600). And who would those be? Same as other places, people who are already at death's doorstep now. Maybe a kid with a sick granny at home shouldn't be playing basketball and take it home to her, but anybody else? Go for it and do what you can to enjoy life. And even the case of the at-risk granny, it should be her quarantined, not the rest of her family.

[bobblehead]

I'm not informed enough about H1N1 to have an opinion. If he was negligent and had all the signs it was coming and going to be a problem and he cavalierly dismissed it and told Americans not to prepare or worry about it, then yes, he absolutely fucked up too. It's not a partisan thing. Obama isn't perfect.

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But the partisan thing was the media and even the CDC. Their was a lot of hoopla about it being so nasty and all, but after the fact CDC numbers claim it was 4.5x LESS deadly than normal flu. I'm simply not buying it. Starting to buy into tex way of thinking. Numbers at the moment have Wuhan flu at 1.1% kill rate in U.S. So its 40x as deadly as previous "scary virsu".

So tex, to put into perspective since you aren't worried. If a normal 30 million people got this thing (if we did nothing) 330k people would die. So its not just the media, the threat is real. And Ismael....the media lies. The CDC is partisan. This doesn't have a "3-4%" death rate that was the early media hype. It wouldn't be a pandemic wiping out millions as the media made it out to be. As I said all along the truth lies in the middle.

[call_me_ishmael]

But the partisan thing was the media and even the CDC. Their was a lot of hoopla about it being so nasty and all, but after the fact CDC numbers claim it was 4.5x LESS deadly than normal flu. I'm simply not buying it. Starting to buy into tex way of thinking. Numbers at the moment have Wuhan flu at 1.1% kill rate in U.S. So its 40x as deadly as previous "scary virsu".

So tex, to put into perspective since you aren't worried. If a normal 30 million people got this thing (if we did nothing) 330k people would die. So its not just the media, the threat is real. And Ismael....the media lies. The CDC is partisan. This doesn't have a "3-4%" death rate that was the early media hype. It wouldn't be a pandemic wiping out millions as the media made it out to be. As I said all along the truth lies in the middle.

The CDC isn't the media. They don't know the rate yet. They gave a range. It will probably/hopefully go lower over time. I do not believe the CDC lies.

[bobblehead]

I respect you taking the middle ground here. Avoiding getting it, sure, is a consideration, especially for supposedly high risk people, and for that, the precautions are a good idea. Where I disagree with you, though, is the kill rate/risk of death among young people and/or healthy people of almost any age. Those kids should be playing basketball if they feel like it because even if they do catch it, it's not gonna do them any significant harm anyway. Ditto that for schools, stores, factories, and absolutely sports events - which never shoulda been shut down.

Cuomo - who has been a Dem with the closest thing to good sense that any of them have shown in this mess - says he thinks 40-80% of New Yorkers will catch corona. That's 8-16 million people. 1%+ death rate which they are pushing would be 80-160,000 deaths in that state alone. Now CMI might believe crap like that, but tell me you don't. Even if the rate getting the virus was that much, I wouldn't expect even 1% of the 1% the panic-mongers project (800-1,600). And who would those be? Same as other places, people who are already at death's doorstep now. Maybe a kid with a sick granny at home shouldn't be playing basketball and take it home to her, but anybody else? Go for it and do what you can to enjoy life. And even the case of the at-risk granny, it should be her quarantined, not the rest of her family.

2 things you still don't get. 1) Rudy Gobert is a finely tuned athlete in his prime and has lost his sense of smell and taste from this virus. Lord only knows the long term lung damage. He is not "at high risk" 2) If we let everyone run wild and get it then the old and the infirm will get a ton more exposure and it will become impossible for them to avoid. Medications will run low and otherwise "low risk" people won't be able to get care and they will have complications as well.

[bobblehead]

The CDC isn't the media. They don't know the rate yet. They gave a range. It will probably/hopefully go lower over time. I do not believe the CDC lies.

But I have shown you numbers that don't compute. As I always say, sourcing is pointless with you.

[LEWCWA]

We know where the trouble is. NY. We need a travel ban in and out of that state. Good Luck.

lol a month ago it was WA state. The rest of the country is starting to see the uptick....hopefully other places won't be as bad as they are less congested and maybe had a head start on prevention measures....

[texaspackerbacker]

CMI, you stated "I'm not informed enough about H1N1 to have an opinion. If he was negligent and had all the signs it was coming and going to be a problem and he cavalierly dismissed it and told Americans not to prepare or worry about it, then yes, he absolutely fucked up too. It's not a partisan thing. Obama isn't perfect." Far be it from me to defend (description deleted because this isn't FYI) Obama, but I absolutely disagree with what you're saying here for the same reasons I absolutely disagree with the panicky shit that has been inflicted on America in the present.

I barely noticed that H1N1 outbreak that killed 12-13,000 people or similar numbers every year or the 22,000 regular flu victims supposedly since last Autumn. It's safe to say America barely noticed those things because we did not have our lives artificially turned upside down like now. Life went on - as well it should have, as well it should be doing right now.

The cure absolutely has been worse than the disease now. Obama blundered into doing the right thing/not doing the horrendously wrong thing. Trump has been listening to all the wrong people about this. There is about 5 days left in this 15 day thing. I think or at least strongly hope that about 5 days from now, the message is gonna turn around completely from forced sacrifice and suffering to "let's get back to normalcy". I can just imagine the stink you and other panic-mongers will raise if/when that happens hahahahahaha,

[texaspackerbacker]

But I have shown you numbers that don't compute. As I always say, sourcing is pointless with you.

Just asking ...... if those death numbers - the 22,000 this flu season for example and similar numbers other years meant death from all kinds of flu, in other words, H1N1 being a subset of the whole thing, would the figures then ring true? I hate to ever agree with CMI hahahahaha, but I also doubt the CDC intentionally lies about numbers. It's too easy to check.

[LEWCWA]

I was at the park hours ago walking my dogs. I stay clear of everyone. 20 kids were playing basketball. If their parents are that dumb do you think they would get the kids and themselves tested if they weren't showing symptoms? The story about the guy who took his daughter to some event AFTER he was tested and positive shows the problem. There is nothing the politicians can do about this shit. Having a billion test kits ready to go january 1st would have changed NOTHING.

I understand this is your opinion, but that is a big part of the problem, you phrase it like it is fact. Thing is the guy who is supposed to be leading the charge in this is doing the same things. He states opinions daily as facts, his attention span compare to that of a kindergarten student...One day this is nothing and the few cases will be down to close to 0 next week, I saved countless lives banning travel from China, Uh oh this is getting pretty bad lets follow cdc guidelines to slow this thing down, hmmm the "cure" is now worse than the disease, and so on and so on. He is all over the map and his people are afraid to step on his toes when he floats opinion and fallacy.

You know at the end of the day I would have more respect for him if he had just dug his heals in and stayed his first course come hell or high water. The leader doesn't lead.