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[Pugger]

Come on, 1234. You seriously believe Farve didn't choke in that conference championship game?? Yes, he wasn't the only one who screwed up in that game but if you think that horrid late throw over the middle of the field in the closing moments of regulation isn't choking, you are kidding yourself big time.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNP7oPzXmMY

Of course, that comment came after the question of why the vikings were even throwing the ball to begin with - meaning the comment was directed at the coaching decision, not Favre. The earlier comment of why favre didn't run with it was directed at #4, that comment was directed at the coaching staff.

The choke job really fell on the coaches. They were within the kickers wheelhouse and they get a 12 man in the huddle penalty? Then on the next play when they are just barely outside his range where it is indeed worth taking a FG shot still, they decide to throw it where a beat up favre that can barely move at this point is could either A. Be sacked, B. Throw a pick, C. Throw it away and be teh same as if you were before. The correct coaching call would of been a run, and I think the reason they avoided it was the 4 fumbles.

Coaches choked. Say favre throws the ball away: Chances are the FG is missed anyways. Longwell said it was out of his range. Coaches choked, not favre. Favre was just trying to make something happen because his team, according to the kicker, was out of range.

WHY WERE THEY OUT OF RANGE? Oh yeah, the coaches. Nevermind the 4 fumbles that took points off the board.

you should just have Joe change your name to brettfavrefan4life if it isn't already taken

[LP]

Of course, that comment came after the question of why the vikings were even throwing the ball to begin with - meaning the comment was directed at the coaching decision, not Favre. The earlier comment of why favre didn't run with it was directed at #4, that comment was directed at the coaching staff.

The choke job really fell on the coaches. They were within the kickers wheelhouse and they get a 12 man in the huddle penalty? Then on the next play when they are just barely outside his range where it is indeed worth taking a FG shot still, they decide to throw it where a beat up favre that can barely move at this point is could either A. Be sacked, B. Throw a pick, C. Throw it away and be teh same as if you were before. The correct coaching call would of been a run, and I think the reason they avoided it was the 4 fumbles.

Coaches choked. Say favre throws the ball away: Chances are the FG is missed anyways. Longwell said it was out of his range. Coaches choked, not favre. Favre was just trying to make something happen because his team, according to the kicker, was out of range.

WHY WERE THEY OUT OF RANGE? Oh yeah, the coaches. Nevermind the 4 fumbles that took points off the board.

Or you could just say the reciever ran the wrong route. However you want to excuse it is fine.

[Scott Campbell]

This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNP7oPzXmMY

Of course, that comment came after the question of why the vikings were even throwing the ball to begin with - meaning the comment was directed at the coaching decision, not Favre. The earlier comment of why favre didn't run with it was directed at #4, that comment was directed at the coaching staff.

You thought it was directed at somebody????

I thought his uncontrolled wailing just sort of slipped out because he was distraught - over Bert inexplicably choking their season away.

[Scott Campbell]

It looks like there's an entire cottage industry devoted to Favre's choking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Iw2YejS9A&feature=player_embedded

Deanna's reaction is priceless.

[packerbacker1234]

Come on, 1234. You seriously believe Favre didn't choke in that conference championship game?? Yes, he wasn't the only one who screwed up in that game but if you think that horrid late throw over the middle of the field in the closing moments of regulation isn't choking, you are kidding yourself big time.

Eh, it's not really that big of a choke job, it just 'felt' like vindication for us as packer fans. Vikings admitted they were out of scoring range... and with it being the final seconds of regulation... it's hard to call it a choke job when they admit they weren't in position to score after the penalty.

This isn't a pick in OT of the playoffs in 2007 that put the other team in FG range to win the game. This is a AR fumble in OT of the arizona game that was took back for 6 to cause the packers to lose. This is a pick at the end of regulation out of scoring range to begin with, according to teh coaches (hence why they were throwing).

I mean, whats the choke? His clock was ticking, and he saw a WR and let it fly... he's completed that pass many times, and I think he even compelted that same sort of pass earlier in the same game. The reason you don't teach that throw is that guy that picked it off is a defender that the QB cannot see in it's vision... hence why you don't throw the ball. But this is favre, he saw him open and threw it. All angles from his vantage point show that the WR, from the QB's angle, looked wide open.

In either case, I am not defending the throw itself - he shouldn't of made it, he could of jsut ran forward 3 or 4 yards and took a dive. He could of just threw it away. It was a bad decision. But a choke job? They weren't in scoring range as it was, so meh. It would be different if they were on the 30 and he did that, but he did it out of scoring range, and OT came around where the saints marched right down the field.

2007 OT is a choke by favre. 2009 AR not protecting the ball in OT is a bit of a choke job (not as bad as a pick, but you have to feel that pressure)... though I would argue AR missing a WIDE OPEN Greg Jennings streaking down the middle of the field in OT is a massive choke job. Forget the penalty no call... or the fumble... AR had the win in his hands and he misfired.

2009 Favre throwing a pick is a tad bit of choking, but it wasn't really the reason the vikings lost the game. Say favre throws it away and longwell kicks the FG short, like he thought he would... it's the same end result. It's different if were talking a turnover in the redzone with the game on the line (he has had plenty of those moments). Were basing this choke job on the small possibility that longwell makes a kick he said was out of his range. In my mind, if he threw it away, they still are heading to OT. The coaching staff thought that which is why they were throwing, and Favre thought that too... or so you would think he did. Should he of ran? Sure, but favre rarely runs the ball (big advantage of having a young QB as good as rodgers... he will run it) and was beat up.

In short, bad throw, but I only call it a true choke job if you take the throw back and win the game. Make the throw an incompletion and you win the game. I can't say that for the vikings.

[ThunderDan]

Come on, 1234. You seriously believe Favre didn't choke in that conference championship game?? Yes, he wasn't the only one who screwed up in that game but if you think that horrid late throw over the middle of the field in the closing moments of regulation isn't choking, you are kidding yourself big time.

Eh, it's not really that big of a choke job, it just 'felt' like vindication for us as packer fans. Vikings admitted they were out of scoring range... and with it being the final seconds of regulation... it's hard to call it a choke job when they admit they weren't in position to score after the penalty.

This isn't a pick in OT of the playoffs in 2007 that put the other team in FG range to win the game. This is a AR fumble in OT of the arizona game that was took back for 6 to cause the packers to lose. This is a pick at the end of regulation out of scoring range to begin with, according to teh coaches (hence why they were throwing).

I mean, whats the choke? His clock was ticking, and he saw a WR and let it fly... he's completed that pass many times, and I think he even compelted that same sort of pass earlier in the same game. The reason you don't teach that throw is that guy that picked it off is a defender that the QB cannot see in it's vision... hence why you don't throw the ball. But this is favre, he saw him open and threw it. All angles from his vantage point show that the WR, from the QB's angle, looked wide open.

In either case, I am not defending the throw itself - he shouldn't of made it, he could of jsut ran forward 3 or 4 yards and took a dive. He could of just threw it away. It was a bad decision. But a choke job? They weren't in scoring range as it was, so meh. It would be different if they were on the 30 and he did that, but he did it out of scoring range, and OT came around where the saints marched right down the field.

2007 OT is a choke by favre. 2009 AR not protecting the ball in OT is a bit of a choke job (not as bad as a pick, but you have to feel that pressure)... though I would argue AR missing a WIDE OPEN Greg Jennings streaking down the middle of the field in OT is a massive choke job. Forget the penalty no call... or the fumble... AR had the win in his hands and he misfired.

2009 Favre throwing a pick is a tad bit of choking, but it wasn't really the reason the vikings lost the game. Say favre throws it away and longwell kicks the FG short, like he thought he would... it's the same end result. It's different if were talking a turnover in the redzone with the game on the line (he has had plenty of those moments). Were basing this choke job on the small possibility that longwell makes a kick he said was out of his range. In my mind, if he threw it away, they still are heading to OT. The coaching staff thought that which is why they were throwing, and Favre thought that too... or so you would think he did. Should he of ran? Sure, but favre rarely runs the ball (big advantage of having a young QB as good as rodgers... he will run it) and was beat up.

In short, bad throw, but I only call it a true choke job if you take the throw back and win the game. Make the throw an incompletion and you win the game. I can't say that for the vikings.

I'll keep this simple.

An 18 year NFL veteran QB (who has the most wins, TD, yards and interceptions ever) knows you do not throw a ball across the middle against the grain late in a play. That is beat into your head since high school.

BF choked. ARod got bum-rushed. ARod had a chance to win the ARI game and didn't. That he brought them back in the 2nd half speaks volumes about our future. This was Arod's first playoff experience (not his 20th+ playoff game), he started out rough but got his composure back.

[Scott Campbell]

I mean, whats the choke? His clock was ticking, and he saw a WR and let it fly...

Looks like you answered your own question.

[Scott Campbell]

I'll keep this simple.

An 18 year NFL veteran QB (who has the most wins, TD, yards and interceptions ever) knows you do not throw a ball across the middle against the grain late in a play. That is beat into your head since high school.

BF choked. ARod got bum-rushed. ARod had a chance to win the ARI game and didn't. That he brought them back in the 2nd half speaks volumes about our future. This was Arod's first playoff experience (not his 20th+ playoff game), he started out rough but got his composure back.

I think any ARod discussion belongs in it's own thread - away from all this sordid talk of treason, backstabbing and yes - choking. IMO

[packerbacker1234]

I mean, whats the choke? His clock was ticking, and he saw a WR and let it fly...

Looks like you answered your own question.

Like I said, it was a bad decision, but take the throw back and the end result is most likely the same.

Take AR's fumble back adn the result could be completely different. Take Favres 2007 int back and the result most likely is completely different. Take his int back in that game and the end result is still the most likely result.

I guess, I am not saying it's not a choke, it just doesn't bother me as much as where if it "didn't" happen things would of been different.

Chances are after that penalty on the vikes... unless favre made something happen for a 5 yard pass or so, that it was going to OT anyways.


You know what keeps making me sick? Watching that overthrow AR did in OT. I... can barely watch. Oh well, he's young... first time in the playoffs. He will hit that throw next season.

[Scott Campbell]

2009 Favre throwing a pick is a tad bit of choking.................

Progress.

[Scott Campbell]

In 10 years I expect it will still be the single most talked about play of his career - a defining moment.


If you don't believe me, just google Bill Buckner's image. Here's the first one that comes up:

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder if all of Bert's baggage played any role in LT choosing not to sign with the Vikings.

[pbmax]

Oy.



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[Scott Campbell]

Like I said, it was a bad decision, but take the throw back and the end result is most likely the same.

If he takes just 3 more steps and hookslides, I give Longwell a 70% shot at making that kick.