TED THOMPSON---WORTHY OF CRITICISM ???????????????????????????

[red]

You mean like that year the bears won it and lost in the NFCC game to the packers? Then we won the superbowl. I guess beating every team in the NFC and then the AFCC is now nothing more than special olympics. God I am glad you didn't grade my 98% test scores in High school:

YOU MISSED 2%....YOU SUCK...YOU FAIL!!!!

Ah bobble, if i had to teach your know it all ass in school, i would have stuck your head in a plastic bag and wrapped some cinder blocks around your neck and tossed you in a pool

Smug little fuck

Just gotta suck all the last little bit of fun right out of the site dont you?

[woodbuck27]

Ah bobble, if i had to teach your know it all ass in school, i would have stuck your head in a plastic bag and wrapped some cinder blocks around your neck and tossed you in a pool

Smug little fuck

Just gotta suck all the last little bit of fun right out of the site dont you?

This Packer fan has found a way to cope:

[bobblehead]

Ah bobble, if i had to teach your know it all ass in school, i would have stuck your head in a plastic bag and wrapped some cinder blocks around your neck and tossed you in a pool

Smug little fuck

Just gotta suck all the last little bit of fun right out of the site dont you?

Sorry red, I wrote that as tongue in cheek. I don't mean to suck the fun outta the site, but the NFC north has been a tough division. Now its an ebb and flow, the south and west are dominating this year and winning the north won't be a big deal, but its not like that every year. In any event I would love to sneak in and be healthy....there would be many a team not wanting to play us.

[Bretsky]

Here's a quote of yours that I find humorous and with which I at least partially agree: "We ovespend on our own, why cant we ovespend on others?"

The case in point is probably Brad Jones. He sucks! The team doesn't often seem to let itself get into a corner, but occasionally they do, then they overpay the guy that's there. That seemed to be the case with Jones.

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It seems we have another member for the Wagon of the J.A.G. aka......J.A.J. ......Just a Guy/Jones Club.

started stepping off the wagon after erring in homerville earlier this year. Now we've upgraded to a Madden Cruiser because there seems to be more space needed and it's going to be a Long Ride !!!!!

[Bretsky]

True enough. Generally you are a hysterical over reactor, but you are correct here. This has been coming on slowly. We need to find the root cause. I personally believe its a symptom of MM and the way he practices and his general game philosophy. You say its on TT, does that mean you don't think we have enough talent on D?

Do you really think it's this simple ?

IMO it's way bigger than a symptom of MM and the way he practices

I think it's a combination of MM and definitely not having enough talent.

We've still failed misterably in finding a #2 pass rusher and a dude who is an even capable 2nd starting safety.

We've been asking and wondering when these two prieces will arrive for a while now. That part is on TT. Maybe...maybe we have the pass rusher..but the safety is not on our roster

[Bretsky]

How many 3rd and 4th string QBs are gonna be good enough to win in this league? Isn't that why they aren't the #1 backup? Not many teams prepare for losing both their starting QB and his backup. We just got incredibly unlucky in this regard.

I don't think we had a #2 on our roster. Wallace, IMO.....Flynn....Tolzien....all the same caliber backup. As all you want out of your backup is to maybe go .500 while the starter is out if your GM has the teams surrounded with talent. At minimum, you have to beat the worst team in the NFL at home. IF w do that and win at home vs Atlanta we're still in the game.......as opposed to buried

[Bretsky]

For the record I"m not big to criticize TT about the backup QB; we've been spoiled forever there so he was playing the odds figuring we'd get 16 games. IMO he'll draft a QB next year in round 3 or 4 that he thinks can be a capaable backup.

I am against anybody using the injuries for Seneca Wallace or Tozien to argue we're on our #4 QB now and things would have been different. They are all equal Junk IMO and in reality if we had the Bears backup and many others in the NFL we'd have beat the bottom dweller Vikings and maybe another game as opposed to being on life support.

IMO that last point needs to be acknowledged; in the end I might have tried finding a bottom dwelling QB to back up AROD as well if we lacked cap space or were trying to cut a corner somewhere.

We just got busted for it this year

My bet is we'll have better next year now that it hurt us

[woodbuck27]

Sorry red, I wrote that as tongue in cheek. I don't mean to suck the fun outta the site, but the NFC north has been a tough division. Now its an ebb and flow, the south and west are dominating this year and winning the north won't be a big deal, but its not like that every year. In any event I would love to sneak in and be healthy....there would be many a team not wanting to play us.

I get what your saying in regards to divisional strength overall in the NFC.

Seattle, New Orleans, Carolina and San Francisco. One of these should 'most likely' go to the Super Bowl.

This weekend is very interesting in terms of inter-divisional matchups Seattle @ San Francisco and Carolina @ New Orleans.

Neglecting any point spread .... but rather 'Straight up' bobblehead:

Who wins this week in New Orleans and San Fran?

Looking at the entire NFL.

The NFCN is a lot like the *AFCS and interesting in that every team in the division is still alive to win the division. I'll post this confidently. The Vikings can still win the NFCN. The teams within these two divisions remain competitive with one another.

*I'll qualify that, as the Cleveland Browns are 4-8 and have a split with the division leading Cincinatti Bengals. I didn't check the Tie Break Rule there.

A lot of the experts look respectfully at the Detroit Lions. What is the dagger in the lions foot right now is their curious preoccupation with turning the ball overs and their TO differential. If the Lions overcome that now and get hot. The Lions with Calvin Johnson and a growing overall offense; an excellent 'D' versus the run can beat any NFL team.

The NFCN and the Green Bay Packers:

The experts, media and fans realize that without Aaron Rodgers the Packers can't get it done.

[woodbuck27]

For the record I"m not big to criticize TT about the backup QB; we've been spoiled forever there so he was playing the odds figuring we'd get 16 games. IMO he'll draft a QB next year in round 3 or 4 that he thinks can be a capaable backup.

I am against anybody using the injuries for Seneca Wallace or Tozien to argue we're on our #4 QB now and things would have been different. They are all equal Junk IMO and in reality if we had the Bears backup and many others in the NFL we'd have beat the bottom dweller Vikings and maybe another game as opposed to being on life support.

IMO that last point needs to be acknowledged; in the end I might have tried finding a bottom dwelling QB to back up AROD as well if we lacked cap space or were trying to cut a corner somewhere.

We just got busted for it this year

My bet is we'll have better next year now that it hurt us

Every strong NFL team is 'only' as strong as it's backup QB.

Ted Thompson cannot be excused for ignoring that fact.

Ted Thompson has had another season to see that his team is weak in the secondary on 'D'. He must address need there.

Ted Thompson has to look at the play of his inside LBers and be honestv about their capability in a 3-4 'D'.

Ted Thompson has to see what's going on with the teams BIG MEN in the 3-4 'D' and re-build there.

Overall Ted Thompson must realize that the Green Bay Packer 'D' is in decline since 2010-11. No more procrastination in terms of time in evaluation of his rosters capability there can be tolerated.

Ted Thompson must soon sign CB Sam Shields and WR James Jones or risk losing these valuable men. Let go of BJ Raji (yesterday) and ink Shields and Jones.

Ted Thompson has to carefully evaluate the Packer OL and solidify it for next season. This is vital to the overall health of our QB and RB.

Ted Thompson must talk to MM. TT must reach MM in terms of his play calling. I'll 'only' start right here.

MM has to stop crushing our RB into a wall of men. Is MM just plain stupid in that regard? Holy catfish I don't get MM and that. >>> <<< Ted Thompson !! Right now our OL can't defeat too many men in the box. We don't have the QB now that can trump opposition 'D's and using that against us.

So again I implore both of you. MM and Ted Thompson STOP crushing your RB into a wall.

I can go on but why belabor what Ted Thompson needs to obviously do.

Ted Thompson should see it all better than this Green Bay Packer fan.

Handle it then Ted !

[pbmax]

Exactly, which to me makes the team's latest woes mostly brought on by coaching inadequacies, and in a way by keeping those inadequate coaches around it's also TT's fault.

I think it runs deeper than that. This team has played mostly man to man outside but often turns to zone or off coverage in certain situations or matchups.

However, only Shields now has a track record of good outside man to man. Something in Tramontana's game has fallen off. Shields also looks very uncomfortable in zone or of coverage, though he seems to have gotten better. I don't think the personnel dept has given them ready made talent for starters in EITHER approach.

And the coaches, outside of maybe Shields, haven't been able to finish the job. Hayward was the best hope to solve that puzzle but he has had a lost season. Hyde was not able to do it. Second most disappointing guy is House, whose coverage outside has at times been as loose as Tramontana.

I don't think this problem is unique to the Packers. There will always be mismatches unless your team (Pittsburgh for most of its 3-4 run or Tampa 2) drafts ONLY certain kinds of players to match a single system. What is unique is that the team for three years running has combined this mismatch with a lack of consistent QB pressure. And for two years has added a turnover drought.

[woodbuck27]

I think it runs deeper than that. This team has played mostly man to man outside but often turns to zone or off coverage in certain situations or matchups.

However, only Shields now has a track record of good outside man to man. Something in Tramontana's game has fallen off. Shields also looks very uncomfortable in zone or of coverage, though he seems to have gotten better. I don't think the personnel dept has given them ready made talent for starters in EITHER approach.

And the coaches, outside of maybe Shields, haven't been able to finish the job. Hayward was the best hope to solve that puzzle but he has had a lost season. Hyde was not able to do it. Second most disappointing guy is House, whose coverage outside has at times been as loose as Tramontana.

I don't think this problem is unique to the Packers. There will always be mismatches unless your team (Pittsburgh for most of its 3-4 run or Tampa 2) drafts ONLY certain kinds of players to match a single system. What is unique is that the team for three years running has combined this mismatch with a lack of consistent QB pressure. And for two years has added a turnover drought.

Yes.

[pbmax]

I don't think we had a #2 on our roster. Wallace, IMO.....Flynn....Tolzien....all the same caliber backup. As all you want out of your backup is to maybe go .500 while the starter is out if your GM has the teams surrounded with talent. At minimum, you have to beat the worst team in the NFL at home. IF w do that and win at home vs Atlanta we're still in the game.......as opposed to buried

I think the methods of practice are down on the list. It would help if they would do live to the ground tackling, but 2/3 of the NFL don't do it either and somehow good defense still gets played. McGinn's article about this was at least honest in that there seemed to be no pattern of improvement on D for teams that engaged in live tackle versus those that don't.

[Pugger]

Pretty incredible stat when you consider teams like Indy and the Patriots, who always seem to be in the playoffs.
I do think GB has been unbelievably fortunate with QB's over the last 20 years, and I thank my lucky stars for it. Rodgers' injury and the mess at backup QB have really shown how hard it is to win without a QB...especially if injuries hit other places as well (or the defense decides to collapse).

You just can't win in this league without competent QB play. It is no coincidence that those teams without a franchise QB are habitually drafting in the top 10 every year.

[woodbuck27]

You just can't win in this league without competent QB play. It is no coincidence that those teams without a franchise QB are habitually drafting in the top 10 every year.

Competent QB play:

Does that include competency in a backup QB ?

[woodbuck27]

Packers Podcast: Ted Thompson Not Above Criticism

By Brian Carriveau on Dec 06, 2013 with 33 Comments

http://www.chatsports.com/green-bay-packers/a/Packers-Podcast-Playoffs-Looking-More-Likely-After-Green-Bay-Win-and-Detroit-Loss-2-8953521