Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[Deputy Nutz]

How, in any way, is this different than Rodgers relationships with Martin, Nelson, Cobb, Jones, Sitton, Lang, Bach, Peppers, Kuhn and Woodson? How was Favre's relationship with Billy Schroeder? Greg Jennings? Funny, I remember people complaining about Favre not wanting to get to know or help young players either.

You last line sums all this up much better. However Rodgers and Favre are different (and they share far more in common than not) that difference is almost immaterial. Its about self interest. Favre wanted to be GM and load up for near term Super Bowl shots. Rodgers is convinced that McCarthy was out of ideas (or perhaps did not care enough to have anymore) and the offense was never again going to have the talent to control the teams destiny again. Each was trying to extend the streak of great play and get another ring.

Its literally the end of every successful veteran QB career not named John Elway. And I do not think its any coincidence that Murphy hired someone that can be traced back to that lineage.

Favre made remarks that it was hard to connect to the younger generation outside of football. He truly enjoyed the locker room environment when guys played cards, hung out together. He loved to work the locker room. It became different when guys locked into the cell phones and head phones. They just didn't relate all that well. Favre never struggled with bonding with teammates on the practice field or in the meeting rooms

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I’d like to see the new kid coach talk a rod into taking more chances

2 ints just doesn’t seem right to me, especially when we see him passing up so many throws that we see other qbs routinely make (even him in the past)

Now I’m not saying to go all Favre, I’m not even saying to go half Favre

But something a little more then what he did last year with his ultra conservative approach

A guy running across the middle with a guy 2 steps behind him is not “covered” like so many people were claiming last year. He can make those throws

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I’d like to see the new kid coach talk a rod into taking more chances

2 ints just doesn’t seem right to me, especially when we see him passing up so many throws that we see other qbs routinely make (even him in the past)

Now I’m not saying to go all Favre, I’m not even saying to go half Favre

But something a little more then what he did last year with his ultra conservative approach

A guy running across the middle with a guy 2 steps behind him is not “covered” like so many people were claiming last year. He can make those throws

I wonder if, perhaps because of his knee, he had lost confidence in his ability to make certain throws.

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Favre never struggled with bonding with teammates on the practice field or in the meeting rooms

And yet I haven't seen a story about Rodgers being unable to do that in meetings or on the practice field unless it was sourced to Finley or Jennings.

A Vikings writer today boldly pointed out that Jennings is bitter and disappointed, but the Dunne story tells us why that happened, so you Packer fans ought to listen. However, none of Dunne's story touches on the beginning of that disappointment and bitterness.

It started, not coincidentally, when Jennings failed to get an offer that he thought he was due from the Packers in the offseason. And it got worse from there. First McCarthy was sticking it to him by only running him on short routes. Then Rodgers mocked him to Carlos Rogers. The they misdiagnosed an injury. Then he stopped being the go to guy when he got back and vented through his sister.

Somehow I feel there is a pattern here, but I just can't tease it out.

Oh, I remember. Once, before Moss as a FA, Favre had routinely failed to speak up about personnel matters and suggest who the Packers should sign or re-sign. Hmm.

Its almost as if age and desperation change a person. It certainly messed with the heads of Finley and Jennings in their contract years.

I used to be puzzled by why seemingly all good QB retirements are involve bitterness and accusations (Bradshaw, Marino, Montana). After seeing it up close once and closing in on another), I grasp it now.

[George Cumby]

And yet I haven't seen a story about Rodgers being unable to do that in meetings or on the practice field unless it was sourced to Finley or Jennings.

A Vikings writer today boldly pointed out that Jennings is bitter and disappointed, but the Dunne story tells us why that happened, so you Packer fans ought to listen. However, none of Dunne's story touches on the beginning of that disappointment and bitterness.

It started, not coincidentally, when Jennings failed to get an offer that he thought he was due from the Packers in the offseason. And it got worse from there. First McCarthy was sticking it to him by only running him on short routes. Then Rodgers mocked him to Carlos Rogers. The they misdiagnosed an injury. Then he stopped being the go to guy when he got back and vented through his sister.

Somehow I feel there is a pattern here, but I just can't tease it out.

Oh, I remember. Once, before Moss as a FA, Favre had routinely failed to speak up about personnel matters and suggest who the Packers should sign. Hmm.

Its almost as if age and desperation change a person. It certainly messed with the heads of Finley and Jennings in their contract years.

I used to be puzzled by why seemingly all good QB retirements are involve bitterness and accusations (Bradshaw, Marino, Montana). After seeing it up close once and closing in on another), I grasp it now.

Ayuh.

They are only human. They are just as flawed as the rest of us, they are just really good at a very profitable venture. We could go on and on about how fame rewires their heads, money affects them, their ego's role in the deal.

It's part of the deal. It's the human condition.

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Rodgers Interviewed:

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers said two main things he wants to talk about is Mark Murphy's reported comment to him and that if he hated McCarthy so badly, why would he re-sign with the #Packers. Interview on @WildeAndTausch

Rodgers said Gutekunst called him and asked him to talk to LaFleur and told him that LaFleur was the top candidate. Then Murphy called and said Murphy said nothing like, "Don't be the problem." Called it patently false.

Rodgers said he used to joke with McCarthy about picking Alex Smith over him. Said he did not have a grudge. Says, "I love Mike McCarthy. We had our issues. But we dealt with those issues face-to-face. It would be at my house sometimes, at his house sometimes."

Rodgers said he and McCarthy also came to common ground after their disagreements and hugged each other and said, "I love you." Said he went to MM's office after his post-game Bills comments and apologized.

Rodgers said he thinks "we need to honor Mike. "We did some incredible things. Instead of trashing him on the way out, remember the great things we did. If you see Mike, shake his hand and tell him how much you appreciate what we accomplished."

Rodgers on regrets with MM: I wish I wouldn't have said anything after the Bills game.

Rodgers said he had a lot of latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage. He said sometimes McCarthy gave him two plays in the huddle and had McCarthy gave him the ability to change the plays.

Rodgers said a coach and a quarterback don't win championships. Said it takes an organization to win championships.

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Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers said he's heard from "over 100" current and former coaches/players since the @BleacherReport story was published, according to an interview Rodgers did with ESPN Wisconsin radio. Rodgers called the article a "smear" job.

Rodgers says if he really disliked Mike McCarthy as much as the article portrayed, he wouldn't have re-signed with the #Packers last summer.

Rodgers said Mark Murphy never told him "Don't be the problem" as the article stated. It was totally false, according to Rodgers. And Murphy said it was "ridiculous" as well. Rodgers going after Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings. "It's the same tired stories." #Packers

Rodgers on McCarthy: "This idea that I had a grudge against him for years is absolutely ridiculous. Where was that grudge when we won the Super Bowl? Where was that grudge when we won 19 games in a row?" #Packers

Acknowledges there were issues, but they were promptly discussed.

Rodgers emphasizes that his respect is earned, not given. He thinks there can be a sense of entitlement with younger players in the league. "The opportunities to earn that respect are there from day one, meeting one, conversation No. 1." #Packers

Rodgers asked if he needs to adjust his process for building trust with receivers: "My style of leadership is my style. I'm prepared, I'm focused, I'm competitive. I hold myself to a high standard and I hold the guys to a high standard." #Packers

Rodgers dodges a question about whether the #Packers could have been more successful if he and McCarthy managed the tension between them more effectively. Instead, he says there are more things that go into winning besides just a coach and a player.

Rodgers on the tension with McCarthy: "It's just two alpha males who are hyper competitive and love winning who are both a little stubborn." #Packers

Rodgers: "I wished I hadn't said anything after the #Bills game last year." Instead, Rodgers wishes he expressed those concerns privately rather than at the podium after a game.

Rodgers said being passed over for the No. 1 pick bothered him until the #Packers won a Super Bowl and he won a couple of MVPs. Then he needed to find other things to motivate him. Rodgers says he has no ill will toward the #49ers or anyone from that organization.

Rodgers says the #Packers need to honor Mike McCarthy and respect him the right way. "We did some incredible things. So instead of trashing this guy on the way out, let's remember the amazing times that we had together."

Rodgers said he apologized to Mike McCarthy after his negative comments following the #Bills game last season. They talked about it for an hour and moved forward. #Packers

Rodgers on McCarthy: "This idea that I had a grudge against him for years is absolutely ridiculous. Where was that grudge when we won the Super Bowl? Where was that grudge when we won 19 games in a row?" #Packers

Rodgers said Mark Murphy never told him "Don't be the problem" as the article stated. It was totally false, according to Rodgers. And Murphy said it was "ridiculous" as well. Rodgers going after Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings. "It's the same tired stories." #Packers

Rodgers says if he really disliked Mike McCarthy as much as the article portrayed, he wouldn't have re-signed with the #Packers last summer.

#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers said he's heard from "over 100" current and former coaches/players since the @BleacherReport story was published, according to an interview Rodgers did with ESPN Wisconsin radio. Rodgers called the article a "smear" job.

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Rodgers Interviewed:

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers said two main things he wants to talk about is Mark Murphy's reported comment to him and that if he hated McCarthy so badly, why would he re-sign with the #Packers. Interview on @WildeAndTausch

Rodgers said Gutekunst called him and asked him to talk to LaFleur and told him that LaFleur was the top candidate. Then Murphy called and said Murphy said nothing like, "Don't be the problem." Called it patently false.

Rodgers said he used to joke with McCarthy about picking Alex Smith over him. Said he did not have a grudge. Says, "I love Mike McCarthy. We had our issues. But we dealt with those issues face-to-face. It would be at my house sometimes, at his house sometimes."

Rodgers said he and McCarthy also came to common ground after their disagreements and hugged each other and said, "I love you." Said he went to MM's office after his post-game Bills comments and apologized.

Rodgers said he thinks "we need to honor Mike. "We did some incredible things. Instead of trashing him on the way out, remember the great things we did. If you see Mike, shake his hand and tell him how much you appreciate what we accomplished."

Rodgers on regrets with MM: I wish I wouldn't have said anything after the Bills game.

Rodgers said he had a lot of latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage. He said sometimes McCarthy gave him two plays in the huddle and had McCarthy gave him the ability to change the plays.

Rodgers said a coach and a quarterback don't win championships. Said it takes an organization to win championships.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
Rodgers said the EQSB route that was reportedly changed in the huddle was a conversion route in which EQSB was facing press coverage and Rodgers thought he was running a go route, not a post. Said he corrected EQSB on the sideline.

[Fritz]

Well, a solid response from Rodgers. Shows respect for his old boss, answers some particular charges (see PB's post above), and gets a good shot in against Finley (visiting him in hospital, going to his place for extra review, etc).

That should put all this to bed. We, the fans, can return to our generally hopeful thoughts about the coming seasons. Maybe I can forgive Murphy for waiting a few years too long to make changes.

Hey, the Packers might win the Super Bowl this year! A slow start as they learn the system, a rush at the end, 10-6 and a run through the playoffs!

Whew, okay. I'm good now.

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I think you could take the Rodgers contract question further:

Given the timeframe of the named teammates, why did he sign his 2013 contract?

Audio about Jennings and Finley: https://twitter.com/WildeAndTausch/s...78029747269632

Story by Demovsky: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...-feud-mccarthy

They don't post each hour like a podcast anymore (that I can find), so I don't know where you go to find the entire interview, but this is the main website: https://t.co/crRZVtSuWV

[Deputy Nutz]

The article should be recognized for what it is, Rodgers is not wrong to call it a smear job, but at the same time did he grant an interview for the original article? At the end of the day the Packers are going to being playing football in September with Aaron Rodgers at QB. The team will go 8-8 under a new coach and hopefully the train can get on the right track.

News flash, Rodgers isn't perfect on the field or off the field, he is just trying to win games as the QB for the Green Bay Packers. He is no brain surgeon or space biologist, just like McCarthy isn't a cognitively disabled. Rodgers doesn't have to be a great person off the field, he just needs to be a good teammate and a great QB for the Green Bay Packers.

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I am posting this not because its that important, but because I want to post the comment that followed it.





James H. @Holden_Twin
None of that matters, because in the hour of greatest need, Rodgers threw hail marys to you....TWICE! It showed at least when the game was on line, he had enough trust to throw the ball to you. Thanks for standing up for AR and MM. You're awesome!

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Answers to questions from Week 1 last year:

Wilde And Tausch @WildeAndTausch
"I had a tibial plateau fracture and obviously an MCL sprain..."
- @AaronRodgers12 on his Week 1 injury last season. #Packers

Aaron Rodgers says he got a series of shots in his knee as opposed to doing surgery after consulting with team doctor Pat McKenzie. Rodgers says he had a tibial plateau fracture in addition to an MCL sprain. #Packers


And from Week 17

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Aaron Rodgers said the concussion in Week 17 was scary because he couldn't see, he lost vision. "It was the first time in my career that I've taken myself out of a game." Rodgers said his peripheral vision was drastically reduced. #Packers

[Deputy Nutz]

If nothing else, Rodgers is a liar. Proof ===== He took himself out of the game when his collarbone broke.