Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[Smidgeon]

Or the coach could put it this way: capacity versus capability

“These kinds of things come up in every single game. It’s one thing to train guys for capability. It’s another thing to train them for capacity. Capability, guys can follow directions if you give specific orders. But capacity is the ability to give them contingency plans and the tools to be able to solve the problems even if it’s maybe something that you haven’t gone in and really practiced throughout the course of the week.

Does this indirectly imply GB might be in a better position than the Rams for this offense because of Rodgers' ability to process on the fly?

[pbmax]

Does this indirectly imply GB might be in a better position than the Rams for this offense because of Rodgers' ability to process on the fly?

They need each (script, game plan and adaptability) to mesh or you lose your receivers and the coaches along the way. But done correctly, the Packers have it better.

The Rams can spend more on offense though with Goff on a rookie deal, so he has a fleet of imported WRs.

[RashanGary]

Does this indirectly imply GB might be in a better position than the Rams for this offense because of Rodgers' ability to process on the fly?

I believe it gives us an advantage, yes.

[gbgary]

MLF just a few minutes ago: "...we've given him all the freedon." looks like rodgers won. lol

[Joemailman]

MLF just a few minutes ago: "...we've given him all the freedon." looks like rodgers won. lol

The context of the question though was when facing unscouted looks, which tends to happen early in the season. I don't think it means Rodgers would be free to change the play every time he wants as the season moves on. It would be foolish to give Rodgers no more freedom than a guy like Goff in L.A. has.

[RashanGary]

MLF just a few minutes ago: "...we've given him all the freedon." looks like rodgers won. lol

Lafleur is a tireless worker and detailed in what he does. I don’t think it’s winners and losers right now. I think it’s striking a balance between the way Lafleur is used to pressuring defenses with pace and plays that start out in a similar fashion.... and then adding in some of Rodgers experience and capability to make changes when needed.

I’m gonna give it the benefit of the doubt until something shows otherwise.

After the offseason and time to let everything soak in, i give MM and AR a pass because Gute got rid of Nelson then bright in Graham and a bunch of rookies who never played with Rodgers. AR and MM were doomed regardless and fought over how to fix it. It’s a completely different situation this year. Adams, Allison, Graham and MVS all have working relationships with the QB. They all started on page 1 together in the offense. I hope we lock Allison and MVS up and give AR and MLF some continuity on offense for the tail end of ARs career. And I’m curious to see this thing evolve.

In short, I’m not nearly as hard on AR or MM as I was months ago but AR has time to change my mind. I’m always open to new information.

[wist43]

I was slow to come around to thinking that Rodgers was a big part of the problem - but I'm seeing it more and more that way now.

Far too many times he just spits on a first down, or ignores open receivers underneath while he runs around waiting for something deep (low percentage) to open up.

We'll see, but he's going to have to prove it to me. I don't really trust him anymore.

[RashanGary]

I was slow to come around to thinking that Rodgers was a big part of the problem - but I'm seeing it more and more that way now.

Far too many times he just spits on a first down, or ignores open receivers underneath while he runs around waiting for something deep (low percentage) to open up.

We'll see, but he's going to have to prove it to me. I don't really trust him anymore.

True. And he seems to be really hard for newer guys to work with because he expects so many adjustments and it takes new guys a little time to get it all down.

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True. And he seems to be really hard for newer guys to work with because he expects so many adjustments and it takes new guys a little time to get it all down.

Gotta suck for a young receiver to learn the plays and then bust your ass to try and run the plays right, only for your QB to then throw you under the bus because you didn’t just improvise and go deep

[RashanGary]

Gotta suck for a young receiver to learn the plays and then bust your ass to try and run the plays right, only for your QB to then throw you under the bus because you didn’t just improvise and go deep

Last year was really a nightmare scenerio with Nelson leaving and Allison going down so early. AR only had one guy he had any chemistry with. ARs style.... it was a perfect nightmare. Then Bulaga was 9 mos removed from ACL surgery and was not himself. And Taylor was hampered by an ankle. And McCray is....McCray. So AR just had the perfect storm of iffy OL play and inexperienced skill players to make his job a nightmare.

Some of it is his fault but then some of it..... it was just a really unlucky year for him.

[texaspackerbacker]

MLF just a few minutes ago: "...we've given him all the freedon." looks like rodgers won. lol

EXCELLENT! The recipe for a winning season.

[mraynrand]

Gotta suck for a young receiver to learn the plays and then bust your ass to try and run the plays right, only for your QB to then throw you under the bus because you didn’t just improvise and go deep

Maybe that's not what 'free reign' will actually mean. I suspect that Rodgers, the unmassaged new coach, and the receivers are all on the same page in how Rodger's 'freedom' translates. If Flower is smart, he'll have designed the offense to make the adjustments simple, and Rodgers also should be striving to not just go rogue, because he knows it leads to confusion.

[pbmax]

Gotta suck for a young receiver to learn the plays and then bust your ass to try and run the plays right, only for your QB to then throw you under the bus because you didn’t just improvise and go deep

QB has the ball. You wanna win or put tape up that pleases the coaches?

WR need to listen to the QB.

Coach needs to get the QB to listen to him.

If the NFL wanted it a different way, you just run a collegiate type offense.

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Last year was really a nightmare scenerio with Nelson leaving and Allison going down so early. AR only had one guy he had any chemistry with. ARs style.... it was a perfect nightmare. Then Bulaga was 9 mos removed from ACL surgery and was not himself. And Taylor was hampered by an ankle. And McCray is....McCray. So AR just had the perfect storm of iffy OL play and inexperienced skill players to make his job a nightmare.

Some of it is his fault but then some of it..... it was just a really unlucky year for him.

this shit didn't just come out of nowhere last year

it was building up to that complete breakdown for many years

its been "seasons" of a-rod passing up wideopen short throws for first downs just to wait to see if a guy opens deep

its been "seasons" of him running away from his protection for no reason other then to allow the play to break down so guys can go deep

its been "seasons" of him destroying the gameplans by audibling out of called plays for the deep ball

last season, the national media just started picking up on what many packer fans have been denying for years and what the packer controlled reporters have been telling you doesn't even exist

people just finally saw that light that a few of us have been screaming about for years

[RashanGary]

Yes, AR has his issues. Lafleur definitely pushes check downs and short passes and runs more than AR is used to. Hopefully the new offense attacks all areas of the field better so we’re not so easy to defend.