Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[gbgary]

tibial plateau fractures

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So Dez Bryant had one. And you have to be rooting for Type 3.

[mraynrand]

Obviously, you aren't gonna be playing on anything more severe than type III, and maybe not even as severe as the type III depicted.

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Obviously, you aren't gonna be playing on anything more severe than type III, and maybe not even as severe as the type III depicted.

Couldn't just tape up Type 2?

[Fritz]

A tibial plateau fracture is a fissure on the plateaus of Tibia, which is in northern mongolia.

Everyone knows that.

[gbgary]

lol

[call_me_ishmael]

I have long said signing him to the big deal was a mistake. This article jives with my thoughts well.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/04/15/silverstein-delaying-rodgers-deal-wouldve-given-packers-trade-option/3475334002/

Rodgers had no leverage but they gave him a bunch with that deal. The franchise option will look like a bargain. Not saying they should go that route, but they should have waited a year. No doubt his contract is less money had they just waited a year. Another year of mileage, injury, bad stats, etc.

In general, I think we're going to see teams pull back from paying QB salaries. It's sort of silly how inflated they are right now with no path towards correction. It is an albatross to a team unless the QB is a truly special, game changing talent. How many top draft picks at QB have busted lately? I think QBs are trained much better today, people scout them much better, and in general changes to the game/rules have made it more QB friendly. I believe you can win with an above average QB on a rookie deal vs a premier QB at an insane price. That's my theory anyway. I think we'll see some teams test out that theory in the coming years. It's a challenge this year since this is a historically poor year for QBs in the draft.

[run pMc]

I have long said signing him to the big deal was a mistake. This article jives with my thoughts well.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/04/15/silverstein-delaying-rodgers-deal-wouldve-given-packers-trade-option/3475334002/

Rodgers had no leverage but they gave him a bunch with that deal. The franchise option will look like a bargain. Not saying they should go that route, but they should have waited a year. No doubt his contract is less money had they just waited a year. Another year of mileage, injury, bad stats, etc.

In general, I think we're going to see teams pull back from paying QB salaries. It's sort of silly how inflated they are right now with no path towards correction. It is an albatross to a team unless the QB is a truly special, game changing talent. How many top draft picks at QB have busted lately? I think QBs are trained much better today, people scout them much better, and in general changes to the game/rules have made it more QB friendly. I believe you can win with an above average QB on a rookie deal vs a premier QB at an insane price. That's my theory anyway. I think we'll see some teams test out that theory in the coming years. It's a challenge this year since this is a historically poor year for QBs in the draft.

I think we saw it with young Russell Wilson/Colin Kaepernick, and now Mahomes and possibly Trubisky. If you sign a non-top10 QB to a top-10 contract your team can find itself in trouble, and if you find an above average QB on the cheap (draft) and have enough other pieces around them you can make some noise.

I think Rodgers can play up to his contract, and I think he wants to. If he does then the contract is worth it because he can be elite. The young WRs need to improve, and the defense needs to grow and build on last year.

[call_me_ishmael]

Had a hypothetical thought in the shower today. Could never happen due to contracts and guaranteed money. Would you take Rodgers for Russ Wilson and a first and third round pick? I think I would.

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I have long said signing him to the big deal was a mistake. This article jives with my thoughts well.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/04/15/silverstein-delaying-rodgers-deal-wouldve-given-packers-trade-option/3475334002/

Rodgers had no leverage but they gave him a bunch with that deal. The franchise option will look like a bargain. Not saying they should go that route, but they should have waited a year. No doubt his contract is less money had they just waited a year. Another year of mileage, injury, bad stats, etc.

In general, I think we're going to see teams pull back from paying QB salaries. It's sort of silly how inflated they are right now with no path towards correction. It is an albatross to a team unless the QB is a truly special, game changing talent. How many top draft picks at QB have busted lately? I think QBs are trained much better today, people scout them much better, and in general changes to the game/rules have made it more QB friendly. I believe you can win with an above average QB on a rookie deal vs a premier QB at an insane price. That's my theory anyway. I think we'll see some teams test out that theory in the coming years. It's a challenge this year since this is a historically poor year for QBs in the draft.

No leverage, huh? QBs don't get cheaper year by year. As you say, with no correction in sight, signing him early made fine sense. He's the best player on the team and they have no backup plan. Maybe if you thought Baker Mayfield was the answer last year you go get him and play hardball. But they didn't.

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Russell Wilson and the Seahawks reached agreement on a 4-year, $140 million in new money extension that includes a $65 million signing bonus, per source.

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
For the #Seahawks and QB Russell Wilson, it’s a 4-year extension worth $140M, source said. He beats Aaron Rogers as the highest-paid player in the NFL.

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From the Silverstein article:

There aren’t any can’t-miss quarterback prospects this year, but who’s to say Seattle or Green Bay couldn’t win with Oklahoma’s Kyler Murray, Ohio State’s Dwayne Haskins or Missouri’s Drew Lock? Or maybe they gather draft capital and wait until next season when they’d have a shot at the highly touted 2020 QB class that includes Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa, Oregon’s Justin Herbert and Georgia’s Jake Fromm?

Well. I will say it. You trade Rodgers, spend more money on FA and draft one of those QBs, you won't win appreciably for two years. Baker Mayfield was a hit as a rookie because of the terrible franchise/constant rebuild effect. They had some top line talent before he got there, especially on defense.

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RapSheet says there is a no-trade clause in this deal.

[call_me_ishmael]

From the Silverstein article:



Well. I will say it. You trade Rodgers, spend more money on FA and draft one of those QBs, you won't win appreciably for two years. Baker Mayfield was a hit as a rookie because of the terrible franchise/constant rebuild effect. They had some top line talent before he got there, especially on defense.

I agree the QB class is hot garbage this year. It's quite unusual. It's historically bad it seems. I disagree that the Browns are winning because of the talent they had and not Mayfield. They weren't winning when he wasn't starting. Look at the dude in Chicago, Philly, Rams, etc. Young QBs are winning a lot these days. RG3 was great before injuries robbed him of his talent. Luck is obviously fantastic. I am a big believer that QBs, QB coaching, rules and systems are all aligning towards the same place where life is much easier for a QB.

To respond to your other response, I'm not so sure I agree. Rodgers signed for a historic amount of money and reset the scale. His contract is an albatross and I am sure all the other QBs love it but all of the other franchises are thinking if someone isn't a young Andy Luck or Russell Wilson it may be a good idea to punt and go young. They didn't need to act on him for 2-4 years. They chose to, and it may have been a poor choice. We'll get a lot more clarity into whether it was a good or bad choice this year.

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I agree the QB class is hot garbage this year. It's quite unusual. It's historically bad it seems. I disagree that the Browns are winning because of the talent they had and not Mayfield. They weren't winning when he wasn't starting. Look at the dude in Chicago, Philly, Rams, etc. Young QBs are winning a lot these days. RG3 was great before injuries robbed him of his talent. Luck is obviously fantastic. I am a big believer that QBs, QB coaching, rules and systems are all aligning towards the same place where life is much easier for a QB.

To respond to your other response, I'm not so sure I agree. Rodgers signed for a historic amount of money and reset the scale. His contract is an albatross and I am sure all the other QBs love it but all of the other franchises are thinking if someone isn't a young Andy Luck or Russell Wilson it may be a good idea to punt and go young. They didn't need to act on him for 2-4 years. They chose to, and it may have been a poor choice. We'll get a lot more clarity into whether it was a good or bad choice this year.

They could have waited a year and then they would be bidding against the now known Wilson contract. Wilson (reportedly) just topped the biggest QB deal. AR would have had another poor year (2018), but I do not think that tempers the Packers or Rodgers salary expectations. His contract would therefore be larger. It would also have impeded FA signings this spring if they don't know the numbers. There is value to the team in having large costs known.

They could have waited 2 years and its possible another modest year lowers his cost. But its probably just as likely Rodgers carries the offense again and gets more expensive, though at this point, there could be true disagreement among the parties. This is where the Packers and Rodgers might really disagree about value and I think its almost impossible to sign Rodgers if they view him as declining in effectiveness while negotiating after the 2019 season.

Which raises a question: how many years do you need to pro-rate the bonus to make the contract doable? Packers traditionally have done the full five for market value signing bonuses. If you wait 2 seasons to sign a five year deal, then you really are playing with serious money at the end of his career. I think a fair judgement about Rodgers age and health mean the sooner you get the five year deal started, the better off you both are. I think both sides WANTED it to be done the same as last time, with 2 years to go.

I also sincerely doubt a QB of Rodgers stature would play for the tag. He'd hold out and wait for the collapse. If that is the team strategy, you need to invest first round resources in finding a QB to replace him because that replacement is not on the roster. You have two years to do it while you are pissing your current QB off. That might be four years of limbo trying to prepare for a QB succession. I don't think Gute or Murphy has that kind of patience.

Thompson pulled it off with a draft steal, 3 years of info about Rodgers and the whole organization behind him. Plus Favre using his leverage to get the team back into win now mode. Those factors aren't there anymore.

No, I don't think waiting to do a deal makes any sense. The only other plan that made sense was Gary's. He wanted to trade Rodgers before the deal was done, even soon enough to grab Mayfield.

That makes some sense, as the contract question goes away and you likely get maximum value back for Rodgers.

Mayfield struggled with that offense until Kitchens took it over and modified it. We'll see if it continues to upswing or people figure the two of them out. Unscouted looks are very valuable.