Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[RashanGary]

After cooling down.... AR played an OK game. We’re spoiled by the lack of turnovers so we don’t even consider it a feat. But he didn’t turn the ball over AGAIN! That goes a long way toward winning.

Him and Lafleur still look out of sync. I’m really, really, really hoping it cleans up soon.

[Joemailman]

After cooling down.... AR played an OK game. We’re spoiled by the lack of turnovers so we don’t even consider it a feat. But he didn’t turn the ball over AGAIN! That goes a long way toward winning.

Him and Lafleur still look out of sync. I’m really, really, really hoping it cleans up soon.

They sure didn't look out of sync the first 20 minutes. But once the Vikings made adjustments, they didn't seem to have a counter. They need to find some answers there. There were some missed opportunities out there. Misthrows to MVS and Jones, drops by MVS and Adams, fumble by Allison. Need to execute against that good of a defense, because the opportunities will be somewhat limited.

[bobblehead]

After cooling down.... AR played an OK game. We’re spoiled by the lack of turnovers so we don’t even consider it a feat. But he didn’t turn the ball over AGAIN! That goes a long way toward winning.

Him and Lafleur still look out of sync. I’m really, really, really hoping it cleans up soon.

Winning fixes a lot of ills. Playing a patsie would be nice so we could win a blowout and everyone feels good. I expect there will be more back and forth, but if they have mutual respect it will work out fine. If not...

[gbgary]

mike greenberg wonders...

[call_me_ishmael]

mike greenberg wonders...

This was an interesting view.

[texaspackerbacker]

THIS IS JUST THE FUCKED UP OPINION OF A FUCKED UP MEDIA PUKE. FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!

CMI, I suppose the likes of you would see idiotic shit like that as interesting.

[MadtownPacker]

I think Rodgers is still good and can regain greatness. I just think he needs to adapt his game some. Can he drop a football in a small space still? Yeah I saw some vid recently where he was putting them in buckets from deep. Can he do it with big mofos trying to destroy him is the question. I think he needs to be put in a cage with a mountain lion charging him until he tames it. That’s a Talladega Nights reference btw.

Point being he needs to get over his worry of getting broken again. That’s why he isn’t hitting those deep throws anymore IMO. He just doesn’t seem as cool out there as before.

[pbmax]

You go from Nelson, Jones and Cobb to Adams, Allison and Lazard and you will look mortal too. In 2016 with a healthy Cook, limited but still good version of Nelson and resurgent Adams, he nearly won an MVP based on less than a half season of work.

Even Brady has been experiencing this in the last two years. You can scheme it up, get 15 good plays, maybe 3 drives, but the rest of the time the talent really shows through.

He not be what he once was, but unless your trading him for draft picks and defense, you build around him. The most glaring error of the last two years on offense was not to get effective WR help. Perhaps if ESB is healthy its a different story.

[George Cumby]

THIS IS JUST THE FUCKED UP OPINION OF A FUCKED UP MEDIA PUKE. FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!

Lol.

But how do you REALLY feel?

[Zool]

Lol.

But how do you REALLY feel?

HE HAS A BONER FOR RODGERS THAT JUST WONT QUIT!

[Patler]

THIS IS JUST THE FUCKED UP OPINION OF A FUCKED UP MEDIA PUKE. FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!

CMI, I suppose the likes of you would see idiotic shit like that as interesting.

What I like most about Tex is that he is always willing to respectfully consider contrary opinions.

[gbgary]

You go from Nelson, Jones and Cobb to Adams, Allison and Lazard and you will look mortal too. In 2016 with a healthy Cook, limited but still good version of Nelson and resurgent Adams, he nearly won an MVP based on less than a half season of work.

Even Brady has been experiencing this in the last two years. You can scheme it up, get 15 good plays, maybe 3 drives, but the rest of the time the talent really shows through.

He not be what he once was, but unless your trading him for draft picks and defense, you build around him. The most glaring error of the last two years on offense was not to get effective WR help. Perhaps if ESB is healthy its a different story.

but the guys are getting open as the stat says they are. as ben fennell, and other analysts who break down the film, say they are. it's his refusal to throw the ball on rhythm and in a timely manner. he's holding onto the mccarthy offense and there's nothing MLF can do about it. that's why the O looks the way it does with constant spread formations, shotgun, with him holding the ball. the stats aren't lying. your eyes aren't lying to you either. he's in the middle third of the league in most stat categories. how they're 10-3 is nothing short of a miracle. gute's done what he could to build the team considering the constraints the cap has put on him...largely due to rodgers' contract. if you remember i advocated they trade him a couple of years ago. they extended him instead, early even, without seeing him play coming off the collarbone on his throwing arm. the cap goes up next season but rodgers bite will eat it up. they'll be drafting in the mid to high 20's and find themselves back in nfl purgatory. not good enough to win, not bad enough to build, and with insufficient cap room, and a regressing, stubborn qb who's suddenly hinting retirement.

[Patler]

This was an interesting view.

With interesting stats.

GB receivers have the highest separation rate in the league? Kind of supports what many have said, Rodgers often overlooks open receivers.
OL ranked 1st in the league in pass pro.
Rodgers is 31st in the league throwing into tight windows.
Rodgers is middle of the league in other stats.

Makes one wonder were the blame really lies, doesn't it?

GB fans suffered from Favre blindness late in his career. Perhaps Rodgers blindness is now setting in. Age related declines are inevitable. Truly great players learn to adapt. Elway was no where near the player he once was when he won two Super Bowls, but he was still a great QB because he accepted that and adapted.

[Cheesehead Craig]

but the guys are getting open as the stat says they are. as ben fennell, and other analysts who break down the film, say they are. it's his refusal to throw the ball on rhythm and in a timely manner. he's holding onto the mccarthy offense and there's nothing MLF can do about it. that's why the O looks the way it does with constant spread formations, shotgun, with him holding the ball. the stats aren't lying. your eyes aren't lying to you either. he's in the middle third of the league in most stat categories. how they're 10-3 is nothing short of a miracle. gute's done what he could to build the team considering the constraints the cap has put on him...largely due to rodgers' contract. if you remember i advocated they trade him a couple of years ago. they extended him instead, early even, without seeing him play coming off the collarbone on his throwing arm. the cap goes up next season but rodgers bite will eat it up. they'll be drafting in the mid to high 20's and find themselves back in nfl purgatory. not good enough to win, not bad enough to build, and with insufficient cap room, and a regressing, stubborn qb who's suddenly hinting retirement.

His cap hit goes from 13.5% to 15.5%, which isn't awful.

I agree with you that Rodgers isn't adapting his game to the new offense and the reports of him not pulling the trigger on open WRs is coming from more and more sources. I hope he can fix himself, because at this point, he's the only one that can do it.

[beveaux1]

Rodgers is never going to be the QB that makes his yards in the middle of the field.

His go-to routes have always been the middle sidelines, the flat, and post or go routes deep.

Each of these throws has a lower percent chance of interception, and with the receivers he has now, those routes are open less often.

It doesn't surprise me that his stats are showing middling performance. He's still capable of a great game, it's just less likely.

Rodgers age, history of injuries, and with it, slightly declining physical skills, along with a drop in talent at WR, means that our offense can't recover after a misfire like a negative play or penalty.
In years past, 2nd and 15 was very manageable. Now it means that in two plays, we'll punt.

I don't think we make a lot more mistakes than we made in year's past. We just can't get past the mistakes.