Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[red]

You God damned imbecilic ingrate. Other QBs do what stupid fools wish for - throw it quick into traffic and throw interceptions and give away games. I'll take a QB who does not do that any day. If you think differently, you are as much of an idiot as your posts make you seem.

don't worry. i reported your personal attack on dan

if you can't take someone elses opinion without getting pissed off and attacking them, then you need to not be on the internet

you need to not be on the site anymore. you and radagast are really turning this place to shit

[esoxx]

Rodgers virtually revealed himself following the Giants win. Go listen to his post-game presser. He was delighted the field was slick/snow covered as there were more "off schedule" plays to be had in those conditions. "Off schedule" simply means not running the regular offense the way it's designed, it means school yard, run around type stuff looking for deep shots with defenders slipping or falling in those conditions.

That's why I think they're in trouble in the climate controlled elements at Minnesota and if they should happen to have to play the Saints in New Orleans in the playoffs.

Off schedule plays also means getting the defense to jump offsides on a hard count, thus getting the free play. Ever notice how great he is on those free plays? He steps right up and drills it too someone who may even be minimally covered and usually makes a nice play. Why can't he do that on "scheduled" plays and run the damn offense?

I think he could still be great if he would run an offense the way it's designed.

[Joemailman]

i remember our bread and butter was the slant

When Favre was the QB. I never thought Rodgers threw the slant as well.

Is Rogers' approach now really any different than it was when he was great? I'm not sure it is. He's broken both collarbones and had significant calf and knee injuries. And of his current receivers, only Adams is comparable to the group of receivers he once had. I think those are more the reasons for his decline.

[Patler]

i remember our bread and butter was the slant

Never with Rodgers. That was during the Favre years. Early in Rodgers career as a starter, one of the writers did an interview with MM and asked what changed going from Favre to Rodgers as his starting QB. At that time he said the basics of the offense had not changed, but as a play caller he had to be mindful of what throws his QBs preferred and were best at. The example he gave was that Favre's favorite was slants, and he was very good at it. He said Rodgers much preferred and was best at outside, sideline throws. MM said his play calling changed to reflect that different QBs are better at different throws.

I have thought about that comment ever since, and have mentioned it here and in conversations when fans ask what happened to the slant. Basically, Rodgers didn't like throwing it.

[beveaux1]

When Favre was the QB. I never thought Rodgers threw the slant as well.

Is Rogers' approach now really any different than it was when he was great? I'm not sure it is. He's broken both collarbones and had significant calf and knee injuries. And of his current receivers, only Adams is comparable to the group of receivers he once had. I think those are more the reasons for his decline.

The current emphasis on tall receivers with or without straight line speed has Rodgers looking at Adams as his only true WR that can run his bread and butter routes. Allison, Kumerow, Scantling, and Lazard don’t have the quickness required to get separation quickly.

Lazard can run the go and the skinny post. Scantling can run the post. Allison can catch the WR screen in the flat. Don’t know what Kumerow can run well, obviously neither does Rodgers.

This will change in the off-season. Not enough bullets in the gun right now.

[ThunderDan]

I will say that ARods choice not to throw INTs and 50/50 balls has kept this team in games. I really don’t think our talent was improved enough to be a 12-4 team and yet that seems like the most likely outcome at this point.

Gute has improved the talent on the D side of the ball. We need to improve the talent for the O this offseason.

[Zool]

I do get tired of watching team after team eat the middle of the Packers D up, while Rodgers basically refuses to throw there. When he does, it’s a beat late and the WRs get their heads taken off.

[texaspackerbacker]

I will say that ARods choice not to throw INTs and 50/50 balls has kept this team in games. I really don’t think our talent was improved enough to be a 12-4 team and yet that seems like the most likely outcome at this point.

Gute has improved the talent on the D side of the ball. We need to improve the talent for the O this offseason.

I've said right from the start, this whole disgrace of a thread was nothing but ignorant and ungrateful bitching and whining. Giving credit where it's due, though, your post here is a rare bit of good sense.

As you say, the overall talent on offense is not all that special, yet here we are at 10-3 with a better than even chance at 13-3. And the same shitheads are still pissing and moaning about the guy who is primarily responsible for that success. The obvious difference between our GOAT QB and all those other others doing the kind of shit some fools in here crave is not throwing interceptions. Yet some are too damn dumb to see that.

As for not using the middle of the field, it's not as extreme that way as some in here make it out to be, but to the extent that it is: when pressure forces the QB out of the pocket virtually every pass play, throwing it back into the middle is basically the most risky pass you can throw.

As for those quick slants, I've never liked those. Way too many things can go wrong - and do go wrong for other teams that do use that a lot.

[Radagast]

After Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones is GB's best offensive asset. The WRs and TEs have failed to consistently impress. RT and Receivers should be the Packers offseason priority.

[Strange Brew]

Rodgers is fine! His recievers are trash, junk, crap, really bad and just journey men practice squad guys!! The organization hasn't done a damn thing to fix the problem this past off season or during the season!! Where the hell is Sternberger? He's back and healthy! USE HIM!!

[Joemailman]

Rodgers is fine! His recievers are trash, junk, crap, really bad and just journey men practice squad guys!! The organization hasn't done a damn thing to fix the problem this past off season or during the season!! Where the hell is Sternberger? He's back and healthy! USE HIM!!

Sternberger may be part of the solution in the future. Near future. Pretty tough for a rookie to miss all the time he did and be productive now though.

TT has great success drafting WR's in the 2nd round. Packers haven't drafted a WR that high since Adams in 2014. That needs to change and probably will this year. It's a strong group of WR's entering the draft this year. Signing a moderately priced free agent wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[Patler]

Rodgers is fine! His recievers are trash, junk, crap, really bad and just journey men practice squad guys!!

Then why do they have the highest separation rate in the league? Something doesn't compute! It seems they have receivers who aren't dynamic, flashy or suited to the big plays, but more than capable for methodical, grind it out drives. The issue seems to be that too often in the middle of games they foregoe the singles and doubles, looking for the triples and homeruns that the receivers are not consistently capable of.

I find it telling that when the game requires it, opening drives to establish the offense and late drives to preserve victories, the drives have been there, including passes to open receivers for modest gains. The same approach needs to be used more often in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

[red]

could this also be the reason why the red zone offense has struggled for so long?

red zone is basically forcing rodgers to throw to the routes he refuses to throw to

[red]

Never with Rodgers. That was during the Favre years. Early in Rodgers career as a starter, one of the writers did an interview with MM and asked what changed going from Favre to Rodgers as his starting QB. At that time he said the basics of the offense had not changed, but as a play caller he had to be mindful of what throws his QBs preferred and were best at. The example he gave was that Favre's favorite was slants, and he was very good at it. He said Rodgers much preferred and was best at outside, sideline throws. MM said his play calling changed to reflect that different QBs are better at different throws.

I have thought about that comment ever since, and have mentioned it here and in conversations when fans ask what happened to the slant. Basically, Rodgers didn't like throwing it.

i almost ended at the end of that line "or was that farve?"

but i just couldn't believe it was that long ago that we ran the slants

[Joemailman]

could this also be the reason why the red zone offense has struggled for so long?

red zone is basically forcing rodgers to throw to the routes he refuses to throw to

Rodgers is near the top in red zone efficiency this year. https://www.pro-football-reference.c...ne-passing.htm

It's one reason this team is 10-3 despite the fact their play doesn't always seem that great.