Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[mraynrand]

Glad to hear Tex. I’m 38, take good care of my body. Gives me hope of a long, energetic life!

Part of why I still think Graham has it. At 33 i could do everything so i know he’s got more!

Did you have a degenerative knee from playing football your whole life? Seriously, be a little realistic.

[mraynrand]

Maybe not weekend athletes, but. I have respect for any blue collar worker that does physical work and works hard day after day, year after year. Not nearly as much respect for any pro athlete making millions that sits out for every little bump and bruise. That more than anything is why I liked Favre so much.

Depending on the type of blue collar work, it can take far more out of you than even the longest, ironman NFL career.

[texaspackerbacker]

Marvel at the ability of weekend athletes to compare themselves to professionals. Its always astonishing.

Point taken ...... but he was talking about 50s, 60s, and 70s. Nobody other than maybe Blanda or Favre's next comeback made it even to the low end of that.

How many professionals or others make a quick move and their achilles goes out even without contact even in their 20s and 30s? There's a degree of luck involved.

As for the comparison, it strikes me as odd or something that so many professionals - not just in football - get these minor or major injuries for seemingly small insignificant moves, hits, etc. - when many of us "weekend athletes" don't get stuff like that despite making some pretty quick sharp moves, taking an occasional fall, etc. even to advance ages.

Personally, I don't take much care of my body - other than the tennis, of course, and I sure as hell don't "eat right" hahahahaha. And I'm maybe 20 or 30 pounds overweight. All of that leads me to conclude that just maybe conditioning, doing what professional athletes do, at best doesn't help much, and at worst might make them a bit "muscle bound" or whatever and actually worsen their chances for playing without injury.

[mraynrand]

Point taken ...... but he was talking about 50s, 60s, and 70s. Nobody other than maybe Blanda or Favre's next comeback made it even to the low end of that.

Uhh, that would be after they retire.

[pbmax]

Maybe not weekend athletes, but. I have respect for any blue collar worker that does physical work and works hard day after day, year after year. Not nearly as much respect for any pro athlete making millions that sits out for every little bump and bruise. That more than anything is why I liked Favre so much.

As Mike Holmgren once said, if, at the end of each rotation, turn or bolt assembly they take a baseball bat to the ribs, then we might be talking about a football simulation. I know dry wallers near retirement age can do that job as well as their younger counterparts even though it all hurts. But you can't be a 55 year old football player.

There is also the fact of their compensation and talent level, many NFL guys are not easily replaceable.

There is nothing wrong with nor easy about manual labor jobs. But unless you work in a paper mill, no one is usually trying to kill you/knock you out until next shift.

https://www.wisn.com/article/man-convicted-in-green-bay-paper-mill-vat-death-in-1990s-released-from-prison/28267620

I can think of one comparison and there are probably more: carpet installers that used the knee activated stretcher usually need new knees before the time they are thinking about retiring. But even that device went by the wayside eventually. Now it has a ratchet handle.

[mraynrand]

As Mike Holmgren once said, if, at the end of each rotation, turn or bolt assembly they take a baseball bat to the ribs, then we might be talking about a football simulation.

Did he really say that? Because I know blue collar workers who would agree to getting beaten for 48 hours (1.5 hoursx16 games + 24 hours more for preseason and camp) instead of the grueling 2500 hours/year of their jobs. Heat, fumes, strain, stench. My dad worked at Trostel Tannery 16 hours a day over summers to pay for school. He'd take a pro athlete's life in exchange in a second and so would the guys who worked there every day.

"Oh, what I wouldn't give to be spat at in the face! Sometimes I hang awake at night, dreaming of being spat at in the face..."

[texaspackerbacker]

Uhh, that would be after they retire.

Your scenario was meant to be realistic for a retired athlete? Come on!

[Upnorth]

Did he really say that? Because I know blue collar workers who would agree to getting beaten for 48 hours (1.5 hoursx16 games + 24 hours more for preseason and camp) instead of the grueling 2500 hours/year of their jobs. Heat, fumes, strain, stench. My dad worked at Trostel Tannery 16 hours a day over summers to pay for school. He'd take a pro athlete's life in exchange in a second and so would the guys who worked there every day.

"Oh, what I wouldn't give to be spat at in the face! Sometimes I hang awake at night, dreaming of being spat at in the face..."

Most would take the abuse to make that kinda pay, but they don't have the talent to go with the willingness to be hurt.

[mraynrand]

Your scenario was meant to be realistic for a retired athlete? Come on!

Maybe, if they're lucky. Many of those guys live with a lot of pain.

[RashanGary]

Depending on the type of blue collar work, it can take far more out of you than even the longest, ironman NFL career.

Dick Buttkiss (picture that) played with bone on bone for years (picture that)

But really, he played bone on bone. So did Favre in his ankle. Graham is no where near that. He can push through hard for one more year and get closer to a HOF bid.

[pbmax]

Did he really say that? Because I know blue collar workers who would agree to getting beaten for 48 hours (1.5 hoursx16 games + 24 hours more for preseason and camp) instead of the grueling 2500 hours/year of their jobs. Heat, fumes, strain, stench. My dad worked at Trostel Tannery 16 hours a day over summers to pay for school. He'd take a pro athlete's life in exchange in a second and so would the guys who worked there every day.

"Oh, what I wouldn't give to be spat at in the face! Sometimes I hang awake at night, dreaming of being spat at in the face..."

I paraphrased. He was talking about Dorsey Levens working out with other athletes (track guys). I added the bit about manual labor.

A tannery would qualify. Read about football production and it reminded me of some things I have read about working in a tannery. Rated one of the more hazardous jobs, if I recall correctly.

Cows for Goodell: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/31/ho...horween-wilson

I'd take the pro athletes life if I could have a longish career or hit a big payday. Problem is, not completely under your control. Vanishingly small number of people are good enough. Which makes the comparison to manual labor even tougher.

[texaspackerbacker]

Maybe, if they're lucky. Many of those guys live with a lot of pain.

A few, I'd agree. "Many"? I doubt it, and dying young? only if they abuse chemicals or shit like that - or just get very unlucky.

[mraynrand]

A few, I'd agree. "Many"? I doubt it, and dying young? only if they abuse chemicals or shit like that - or just get very unlucky.

look it up. Or just watch those 70 year old former players stumble off the field when they return to Lambeau. You play football for 20 years, a lot of your joints are just wrecked. But those guys are really tough. Guys who played the game tend to hold out a lot longer than people in the general population before they get joint replacements.

[call_me_ishmael]

Tex you're being naive again. Listen to interviews with any former player, especially running backs, and they'll tell you how messed up their body is.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Silverstein was the first to throw a Dart at MattyFloor writing it was a mistake to sit Rodgers game 1

Post the fucking article, yo! Not all us make 6 figures and have disposable income to be a subscriber.