Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[gbgary]

So my question is: is he aware enough to put his ego aside and be a game manager? IDK. I have my doubts.

the answer is no. he's going to do whatever he wants. he's totally out of MLF's control.

[Patler]

Perhaps if ESB is healthy its a different story.

I have thought that myself several times this year. ESB showed talent for the sideline throws last year as a rookie. I recall one incredible catch along the sidelines, and another impressive effort to get his feet down while falling out of bounds. He is a more physical player than EVS, and made a few good blocks, too. I was looking forward to seeing his development in his second year. Now that is delayed.

He could be a good match for what Rodgers likes to throw.

[beveaux1]

I have thought that myself several times this year. ESB showed talent for the sideline throws last year as a rookie. I recall one incredible catch along the sidelines, and another impressive effort to get his feet down while falling out of bounds. He is a more physical player than EVS, and made a few good blocks, too. I was looking forward to seeing his development in his second year. Now that is delayed.

He could be a good match for what Rodgers likes to throw.

By the end of the year last year, I thought he had progressed past Scantling. This year, it appears Scantling has regressed. ESB seemed to have more branches on his route tree by year's end.
Scantling, at this stage, is losing snaps every week and seems to have a confidence problem. Could we have another J'Mon Moore situation?

[pbmax]

the answer is no. he's going to do whatever he wants. he's totally out of MLF's control.

This is manifestly not true.

It is true he is not exactly a moldable rookie starter though. He has his preferences for where to throw.

[Fritz]

This is manifestly not true.

It is true he is not exactly a moldable rookie starter though. He has his preferences for where to throw.

Remember, nobody likes to throw up.

[MadScientist]

Remember, nobody likes to throw up.

So burn all copies of the game film for the 4th quarter?

[Smidgeon]

So burn all copies of the game film for the 4th quarter?

Of every game this year...

[texaspackerbacker]

I pretty much agree that Rodgers is out of LaFleur's control to a great extent, and the Packers are better off for it. Furthermore, I don't see LaFleur as so weak as to just let that happen. Rather, he is smart enough and non-ego-driven enough to subordinate a lot of his own ideas to Rodgers' way of doing things.

A lot has been said about the overall personnel, etc. of the Packers not being good enough not to be 11-3. The obvious answer to that conundrum is that Aaron Rodgers is still the best QB in the NFL. Game after game that I watch on Sunday Ticket, not to mention college football is decided more than anything else by interceptions. Rodgers simply doesn't throw them. And barring the pass rush getting too extreme, he compensates for various deficiencies like our O Line and our D Line and our pass defenders and to some extent, our pass receivers. And Rodgers and/or LaFleur have the good sense also to take advantage of the good fortune of having a couple of surprisingly decent RBs. And when the run blocking ain't there, it's up to the GOAT to bring us a victory - same ol' same ol'.

[yetisnowman]

Not throwing picks is great, but 5 possesion stretches without a first down is going to lose you a lot of games. Aaron has to be consistent at things other than not turning the ball over. Taking unneccessary sacks to take you out of range serve as turnovers essentially. Not to mention the pick he threw right to the LB that was dropped and near fumble loss on a senseless head first dive for a 5 yd gain on 3rd and 20. His play was poor on Sunday, no other way to slice it.

[texaspackerbacker]

True about the empty possessions, and Rodgers even pissed me off with a couple of those sacks and that dumb move on the 3rd and 20 play. However, overcoming lame-assed line blocking and receivers not always getting open is tough enough; It gets even worse when there is an outbreak of dropped or missed balls and receivers not making the right reads. His play was poor for him on Sunday, to that extent, you are correct. For just about anybody else, it was still fairly decent.

[yetisnowman]

Under 50% comp pct is poor for any nfl qb.

[texaspackerbacker]

Under 50% comp pct is poor for any nfl qb.

the product of drops and necessary throwaways

[Patler]

Under 50% comp pct is poor for any nfl qb.

Don't you get it? Not one incompletion was Rodgers fault.
The WRs should never drop a pass, because Rodgers is still the best QB in the league, and he never makes a mistake.
The WRs should have been precisely where Rodgers threw the ball, because Rodgers is still the best QB in the league, and he never makes a mistake.
Every eligible receiver should get open on every play, because Rodgers is still the best QB in the league, and he never makes a mistake.
The OL should be able to stymie the pass rusher for however long Rodgers needs, because Rodgers is still the best QB in the league, and he never makes a mistake.

[th87]

True about the empty possessions, and Rodgers even pissed me off with a couple of those sacks and that dumb move on the 3rd and 20 play. However, overcoming lame-assed line blocking and receivers not always getting open is tough enough; It gets even worse when there is an outbreak of dropped or missed balls and receivers not making the right reads. His play was poor for him on Sunday, to that extent, you are correct. For just about anybody else, it was still fairly decent.

I see we're now in the late-Favre "receivers ran the wrong route" era.

Rodgers is among the greatest passers of all time. Probably still. But he's nowhere near that as a complete quarterback anymore.

He plays differently now. When you look at games from 2014 and compare them to today, he's no longer reestablishing the pocket and getting his feet set. He's holding, bailing and throwing off his back foot (if he's not getting sacked) as the norm, rather than what once used to be an exception. You could never blitz him, but now teams are basically guaranteed a sack on a third and long blitz. He makes more protection mistakes than I've seen him make, and teams are onto his hard count game.

You can still beat most teams this way; this team is good enough. But I would bet we'd lose 99% of games against teams with strong defenses and decent and up offenses, because Rodgers will take sacks and throwaways until the defense can't hold them off any longer.

And even in his prime, I wonder now if going for chunk plays constantly reduced the time of possession, which made a bad defense look worse due to them tiring out. Perhaps we would've been better off with more methodical drives.

[pbmax]

I just want him to return to the Adams-less offense.