NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[Bossman641]

His interview just makes everything more fucked up.

Regardless of everything said, Favre has the right to play football. They either need to accept him in Green Bay, or trade his rights. I am selfish and I don't want to see him play for another team, but they can't just shut him down. Give him his helmet or trade him.

Outside of that, he was hurt, McCarthey told him he can't play in Green Bay, but they refuse to envision him playing somewhere else. If that is the case that is pretty low on the Packers end. According to Favre, McCarthey just kept trying to talk Favre out of returning, along with James Campen.

I guess I am trying to put words into feelings right now and nothing is seeming to fit. Brett is hurt and offended, and I understand what he is saying. On the other hand he easily pushes everything off on the Packers outside of his retiring early, but then states, there is a reason for that, they wanted a decision in March. They made him do it according to Favre,




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If Favre is accepted back to the Packers I don't for see him doing very well in 2008. I honestly don't see the commitment he is talking about. I see more bitterness and anger than I see a quarterback wanting to get to the Super Bowl.

What's conveniently left out here is any explanation of why he tried to come back and was welcomed and then backed out days later.

That comes in part two tomorrow night.

I hope so, but I doubt it. I see a lot of softball lobs that give Favre a chance to put his side out there without having to address specific things TT, MM, and the organization have said. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Deputy Nutz]

I had a hard time with Brett, but I know he's told by everyone close to him that he's earned this right and noboyd needs him there. His dad would have laid into him and told him to show up because if fucking teammates were there and that is what football players do, but his dad is dead and with him left Favres better judgement.

I really think this is going to make Favre a better person and I hope for the best, but at the same time I think the organization made a very tough but very right decision and they have to stick to it. I don't know why I care about this so much but it would seem so wrong for me to strip Aaron of what he worked so hard for and give it to a guy who ddin't even know if he wanted it. If they think Aaron is good and he killed himself to be the starter, you have to give him the chance. IF you think he stinks then I think you might tell him he's just not good enough but I think they think he is good enough and they want to give him the job after all he's done to earn it.

Lets have a serious discussion without any name calling here. First Aaron Rodgers was given the starting job in Green Bay when Favre left. Rodgers didn't beat Favre out for the job. I am not saying he hasn't worked hard at becoming a starting quarterback, I am sure he has, but he hasn't proven that he deserves the job yet. three quarters against Dallas doesn't prove anything at this point.

Rodgers hasn't done anything wrong, but at the same time, I would respect Rodgers and the Packers much, much more if they put an end to this situation with simply inviting Favre back to Green Bay to compete against Aaron Rodgers for the starting QB job. It is simple if Rodgers can defeat Brett Favre in training camp for the starting position then he deserves everything the Packers give him. I personally would back Rodgers, and I think it will actually help his career. It would be like the younger brother finally beating his older brother in competition.

If the Packers maintain their current course of action Aaron Rodgers will have a very tough time ever winning over the majority of Packer fans, simply because he was being protected by the Packers organization from Brett Favre. Simple if Aaron Rodgers can't beat out a 38 year old, soon to be 39 year old Brett Favre, then he simply doesn't deserve to be the Packers starting QB.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ball licker

[The Shadow]

[quote="Packerarcher"]

Harv, I think the team wants the best QB possible back there taking snaps... the thing that cures all is winning and guess who's the winning'est qb of all time....

I really would hope that's what the team wants,but is what TT's ego want's bigger.[/quote]



Yes, a Super Bowl.

If he wants a Supre Bowl he had better start kissing Favres ASS.

Favre has had his ass kissed for far too long. Now, he's encountered a GM with the cajones to stand up for the team concept - and he's pouting.
Yes, there will be bumps along the road with a new young quarterback, but many of us are more than willing to endure that over a primadonna who has his own glory and welfare as the top priority.

[Carolina_Packer]

There was absolutely nothing of consequence in this interview. The only thing that was new was that he would have liked to wait until training camp. FUCKING TRAINING CAMP people. How on earth can he say that with a straight face. And before I hear one person say he earned that right, how the hell do you prepare for a season without knowing who will be your starting QB?

I know there are a lot of people who are gonna say he sounded so sincere and honest. To me it was another load of BS. I said this is another thread, for years there were hints that he was pissed about the lack of talent TT brought in and that was a subtle hint for him to leave. After last year that can hardly be said. Now there is a different reason. He was being pushed out by the pressure they put on him to make up his mind. For three years it's been something, now it's just something new.

Michael Strahan anyone? He wasn't even in camp while he was deciding. He wasn't a backup come opening day.

You know this already, but it's worth pointing out...Strayhan never held a press conference to retire, and a team would probably never put that kind of pressure on a DE to give a commitment like they would a QB.

I wonder why Brett never mentioned his wanting to wait until training camp to the management (and before June). If MM"s answer (according to Favre) is correct, then it sounds like they might have given him that leverage, but he never asked. Your boss can ask you to finish an assignment in a set amount of time, but it's not beyond the employee to ask for more time if they wish to. You can't get what you don't ask for in the first place. What would they have done at the time. Sorry Brett, we don't like that answer, so we're going to release you or trade you. Nah! That wasn't likely, so why didn't he ask for it before he retired? Crazy communication.

His personal indecision put the Packers in a tough spot and he knows that. Did he just expect that once he finally became certain they were just going to let him right back in? I wonder if he did think that. They could have played it that way. They could have said, let's prepare for Brett not to be here, but also prepare Rodgers to think that Brett might come back. Not sure how that would have played out. They still could have drafted Brohm. When you have one guy who you're not sure is going to be there for you, you don't want to be left holding the bag if he decides before training camp to call it a career. I can see both sides. I just hope that fences can be mended still and that if he asks for reinstatement and when after that the Packers put him back on the active roster, they also tell him he can compete for the starting job back. Just not sure how that works when Brett hasn't had to compete for the job since his first years.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Favre has had his ass kissed for far too long. Now, he's encountered a GM with the cajones to stand up for the team concept - and he's pouting.
Yes, there will be bumps along the road with a new young quarterback, but many of us are more than willing to endure that over a primadonna who has his own glory and welfare as the top priority.

I don't disagree wiith what you say. But if the Packers can't arrange a trade outside of the division, they will be forced to make nice with FAvre.

I'm seeing this as a likely scenario now.

[RashanGary]

If they're going to battle, they should keep the main offense geared toward Rodgers now. They should have the majority of the snaps with the rolling pockets and stretch runs that will be set up by the moving pockets. They should continue as they did in the off season.

If Brett can come in with the 2nd unit and does better than Rodgers does with the first then I think Rodgers has a shorter leash. If Rodgers really stinks I think Favre should have it. If it's hard to tell then I think Rodgers should have the job until he proves he fails in the season. Right now I think it's Aaron's job to lose and Favre's job to earn back. Favre left. NOw he has to earn his way back in, in a three week camp. If he can't then he has to hope Rodgers fails in the season.

[GrnBay007]

Rodgers hasn't done anything wrong, but at the same time, I would respect Rodgers and the Packers much, much more if they put an end to this situation with simply inviting Favre back to Green Bay to compete against Aaron Rodgers for the starting QB job. It is simple if Rodgers can defeat Brett Favre in training camp for the starting position then he deserves everything the Packers give him. I personally would back Rodgers, and I think it will actually help his career. It would be like the younger brother finally beating his older brother in competition.

If the Packers maintain their current course of action Aaron Rodgers will have a very tough time ever winning over the majority of Packer fans, simply because he was being protected by the Packers organization from Brett Favre. Simple if Aaron Rodgers can't beat out a 38 year old, soon to be 39 year old Brett Favre, then he simply doesn't deserve to be the Packers starting QB.

[Freak Out]

I really want #4 to come back and play in GB but if M3 and TT don't want him now so be it. Trade or release him.....whatever. Give him the chance to ride it out...if it ends badly....that's just how life goes sometimes.....but if Rodgers stinks it up or goes down the peasants will rise up and draw and quarter TT and drag whats left of him through the streets of GB.

[Harlan Huckleby]

the problem with this scenario is that you would have the mother of all QB controversies if Rogers were to beat-out Favre.

[Deputy Nutz]

If they're going to battle, they should keep the main offense geared toward Rodgers now. They should have the majority of the snaps with the rolling pockets and stretch runs that will be set up by the moving pockets. They should continue as they did in the off season.

If Brett can come in with the 2nd unit and do better than Rodgers does with the first then I think Favre should have it. If Rodgers really stinks I think Favre should have it. If it's hard to tell then I think Rodgers should have the job until he proves he fails in the season. Right now I think it's Aaron's job to lose and Favre's job to earn back.

But why is it Rodgers job to lose? He never took it from Favre to begin with. Sorry I don't buy the whole regeared offense the Packers have been feeding to the media. Sure they made adjustments, or tweaks for a younger QB, maybe one that is a little more mobile, but maybe one that isn't as aware in the pocket.

McCarthy really thinks he needs to dramatically change his offense from last year he needs to be fired as the Packers Head Coach immediately.

[Freak Out]

Rodgers hasn't done anything wrong, but at the same time, I would respect Rodgers and the Packers much, much more if they put an end to this situation with simply inviting Favre back to Green Bay to compete against Aaron Rodgers for the starting QB job. It is simple if Rodgers can defeat Brett Favre in training camp for the starting position then he deserves everything the Packers give him. I personally would back Rodgers, and I think it will actually help his career. It would be like the younger brother finally beating his older brother in competition.

If the Packers maintain their current course of action Aaron Rodgers will have a very tough time ever winning over the majority of Packer fans, simply because he was being protected by the Packers organization from Brett Favre. Simple if Aaron Rodgers can't beat out a 38 year old, soon to be 39 year old Brett Favre, then he simply doesn't deserve to be the Packers starting QB.

I agree with the Nutzter 100 percent. Well done.

[Deputy Nutz]

the problem with this scenario is that you would have the mother of all QB controversies if Rogers were to beat-out Favre.

Honestly if Favre had a fair shot at winning the job and failed, I think he would walk away from the game.

[Harlan Huckleby]

But why is it Rodgers job to lose? He never took it from Favre to begin with. Sorry I don't buy the whole regeared offense the Packers have been feeding to the media. Sure they made adjustments, or tweaks for a younger QB, maybe one that is a little more mobile, but maybe one that isn't as aware in the pocket.

If McCarthy wants Rodgers as his QB, that's his call.

And if Favre is such a sure thing, why isn't it easy to trade him?

[Harlan Huckleby]

the problem with this scenario is that you would have the mother of all QB controversies if Rogers were to beat-out Favre.

Honestly if Favre had a fair shot at winning the job and failed, I think he would walk away from the game.

would Sports Illustrated print another retirement issue?