Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[texaspackerbacker]

look it up. Or just watch those 70 year old former players stumble off the field when they return to Lambeau. You play football for 20 years, a lot of your joints are just wrecked. But those guys are really tough. Guys who played the game tend to hold out a lot longer than people in the general population before they get joint replacements.

Rand, I'm just going by your probably facetious/definitely ridiculous earlier post - here it is:

"Rodger's back is just the sign of an aging man. When you get past you mid twenties, you realize that you don't completely recover the day after a strenuous workout - not enough to repeat it day after day. When you reach 30, your soreness lasts a day longer than it did 5 years ago. When you reach 40, you can't recall what you did that would make you sore. After a strenuous workout, you realize that a day off isn't really sufficient to recover. When you reach 50, your achilles goes out when you make a simple quick move tossing the football around in the back yard. When you reach 60, it takes half the day just to get your body loose enough to move. When you reach 70, those flowers next to the headstone smell nice - to the person who put them there."

Sure, some of those old guys stumble a bit - and a lot of them don't. Why would you think former players would "hold out a lot longer than people in the general population before they get joint replacements"? With very few exceptions, they have a ton of money - and I wouldn't be surprised if the team or the league still would pay for that sort of thing.

You're not totally wrong; You're just exaggerating things way the hell out of proportion - kinda like that "exceptional case" thing ya'all are so famous for in FYI.

And CMI, I don't suppose you would entertain the thought that the ones who don't have those messed up bodies aren't as likely to do interviews about it hahahahaha.

[mraynrand]

The older football guys hold out longer because they’re generally tougher and take more pain. It’s just an observation of most ortho surgeons I know.

Yeah the original post was tongue in cheek with a smattering of general truth.

The point being that your assertion of how Rodgers can run around like a second year running QB is absurd. You’re so concrete I should just flatly say stuff like that and then move on.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Depending on the type of blue collar work, it can take far more out of you than even the longest, ironman NFL career.

Shit, i've been working a lot of OTs lately. My legs are sore all over the place. And all that OTs for what? The capitalists milk me dry every day.

Anyone tried cryotherapy before?

Maybe it's time to quit the porn and take some English courses at the local community college. Become a lyricist/screenwriter. Or at least quit the porn and find a boring office job.

Anyone needs their books cooked? I've passed the CPA exams and would be happy to work for 15 bucks an hour, especially since I currently make the federal minimum wage flipping burgers.

[texaspackerbacker]

The older football guys hold out longer because they’re generally tougher and take more pain. It’s just an observation of most ortho surgeons I know.

Yeah the original post was tongue in cheek with a smattering of general truth.

The point being that your assertion of how Rodgers can run around like a second year running QB is absurd. You’re so concrete I should just flatly say stuff like that and then move on.

hahahahaha Yes you should - in all venues.

I don't want to see Rodgers taking hits either, but scrambling and throwing - which is a necessity almost all the time with this O Line, and occasionally taking off for 15 or 20 yards, then going out of bounds or sliding, that's not gonna get him hurt - and it is an integral factor in making the offense work.

[mraynrand]

hahahahaha Yes you should - in all venues.

I don't want to see Rodgers taking hits either, but scrambling and throwing - which is a necessity almost all the time with this O Line, and occasionally taking off for 15 or 20 yards, then going out of bounds or sliding, that's not gonna get him hurt - and it is an integral factor in making the offense work.

At least this take is much more sensible that your first.

[George Cumby]

Remember when Mike Tyson was absolutely destroying anything that walked into the ring with him? Remember all the would be tough guys spraying they would gladly step into the ring with him for a million bucks to get knocked out? No, pal, you wouldn't, cause if you did, you'd be wheeled out with a TBI and be drooling into a cup for the rest of your life with all of those Franklins to spend on coke and hookers except you won't be able to get it up.

Similarly, Joe Lunchpail, walking onto the football field and taking a decent shot from a 250# linebacker is never gonna' be the same.

Solid props to any working stiff, but grueling, drudge work which results in repetitive over use injury isn't the same as intense blunt force trauma.

[mraynrand]

Remember when Mike Tyson was absolutely destroying anything that walked into the ring with him? Remember all the would be tough guys spraying they would gladly step into the ring with him for a million bucks to get knocked out? No, pal, you wouldn't, cause if you did, you'd be wheeled out with a TBI and be drooling into a cup for the rest of your life with all of those Franklins to spend on coke and hookers except you won't be able to get it up.

Similarly, Joe Lunchpail, walking onto the football field and taking a decent shot from a 250# linebacker is never gonna' be the same.

Solid props to any working stiff, but grueling, drudge work which results in repetitive over use injury isn't the same as intense blunt force trauma.

You might be surprised what 14,000 eight+ hour work days can do to your body. Depends on the exact nature of the job of course.

[pbmax]

Even Sean McVay and Jared Goff want a second offense: Rams Super Bowl regrets

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/26/fmia-andrew-luck-the-colts-and-the-retirement-that-rocked-nfls-world/?cid=nbcsports

“We got to a certain play that did have answers versus quarters coverage,” McVay said, pointing to the sixth Rams play, “but I think the biggest thing that you look at is, are you putting your players in a position to really understand and own the intent of what we’re trying to get done? And that’s where I feel like I fell short because whatever we’ve asked of our guys … What could I have done leading up to that game to have a better contingency plan and better communication specific to the ownership that we want to be able to have from coaches and players … Where I felt like I didn’t do nearly a good enough job is putting us in a position to really have an answer based on whatever they activate coverage-wise.”

In other words: Because the Patriots had been almost exclusively a single-high-safety defense for the season, and because here they were with two safeties deep, in a rare four-across cover scheme, it was up to McVay to not only call the right play (which he did) but then to emphasize to Goff exactly what he was seeing, and what deep shot might be there to be made. And he didn’t stress that enough either in preparation for the game or in the coach-to-QB communication as he called the play.

Very much like a lot of Packer ill-fated trips to the playoffs, if you just have your offense, you are probably going to score fewer points than you are used to.

[mraynrand]

“We got to a certain play that did have answers versus quarters coverage,” McVay said, pointing to the sixth Rams play, “but I think the biggest thing that you look at is, are you putting your players in a position to really understand and own the intent of what we’re trying to get done? And that’s where I feel like I fell short because whatever we’ve asked of our guys … What could I have done leading up to that game to have a better contingency plan and better communication specific to the ownership that we want to be able to have from coaches and players … Where I felt like I didn’t do nearly a good enough job is putting us in a position to really have an answer based on whatever they activate coverage-wise.”


WHAT KIND OF HELLISH GOBBLEDYGOOK IS THIS?

[mraynrand]

Even Sean McVay and Jared Goff want a second offense

Extended Offense™ is always the best Second Offense!!

[pbmax]

“We got to a certain play that did have answers versus quarters coverage,” McVay said, pointing to the sixth Rams play, “but I think the biggest thing that you look at is, are you putting your players in a position to really understand and own the intent of what we’re trying to get done? And that’s where I feel like I fell short because whatever we’ve asked of our guys … What could I have done leading up to that game to have a better contingency plan and better communication specific to the ownership that we want to be able to have from coaches and players … Where I felt like I didn’t do nearly a good enough job is putting us in a position to really have an answer based on whatever they activate coverage-wise.”


WHAT KIND OF HELLISH GOBBLEDYGOOK IS THIS?

Rams were not prepared for quarters coverage by the Patriots. Quarters coverage is common versus spread attacks especially in college but its a very conservative approach in the NFL (think 4th and 26). Its two deep safeties and corners who either start deep or bail to deep positions along the sidelines. Its a zone, four across deep coverage. Patriots run a lot of single high safety that starts zone and then becomes a matchup man scheme at the snap when the see the releases and routes.

The sixth play of the game was one of his calls that SHOULD have been effective versus quarters. But either Cooks or Goff didn't read it that way, and the QB threw short late and with pressure. With Cooks speed on a post or corner route, he should have been able to split the deep CB and safety as they are not singling him up and wouldn't be in a full backpedal.

I don't think this is the greatest route versus quarters, but Goff is good deep and Cooks is fast, so it could have worked had they been willing to run it. That picture in the article paints the difficulty very well, Cooks, a single receiver on the outside, looks double covered.

McVay is using empowerment language to convey the idea that the team (and possibly the coach) did not prepare them for this contingency.

[pbmax]

Or the coach could put it this way: capacity versus capability

“These kinds of things come up in every single game. It’s one thing to train guys for capability. It’s another thing to train them for capacity. Capability, guys can follow directions if you give specific orders. But capacity is the ability to give them contingency plans and the tools to be able to solve the problems even if it’s maybe something that you haven’t gone in and really practiced throughout the course of the week.

[mraynrand]

Rams were not prepared for quarters coverage by the Patriots. Quarters coverage is common versus spread attacks especially in college but its a very conservative approach in the NFL (think 4th and 26). Its two deep safeties and corners who either start deep or bail to deep positions along the sidelines. Its a zone, four across deep coverage. Patriots run a lot of single high safety that starts zone and then becomes a matchup man scheme at the snap when the see the releases and routes.

The sixth play of the game was one of his calls that SHOULD have been effective versus quarters. But either Cooks or Goff didn't read it that way, and the QB threw short late and with pressure. With Cooks speed on a post or corner route, he should have been able to split the deep CB and safety as they are not singling him up and wouldn't be in a full backpedal.

I don't think this is the greatest route versus quarters, but Goff is good deep and Cooks is fast, so it could have worked had they been willing to run it. That picture in the article paints the difficulty very well, Cooks, a single receiver on the outside, looks double covered.

McVay is using empowerment language to convey the idea that the team (and possibly the coach) did not prepare them for this contingency.

Good analysis. I wasn't complaining because I didn't understand what happened though. I was complaining because the language was overwrought and absurd. The obfuscation was deliberate, methinks. Could have just said, I wasn't prepared with a plan B that I could communicate to players.

[pbmax]

Good analysis. I wasn't complaining because I didn't understand what happened though. I was complaining because the language was overwrought and absurd. The obfuscation was deliberate, methinks. Could have just said, I wasn't prepared with a plan B that I could communicate to players.

Yeah, I read that as McVay lovingly throwing the players under the bus AND barely acknowledging that Belichick and Flores pulled one over his eyes and he never recovered.

Which is weird, because I guaranteed he has seen Quarters against a spread offense a lot on film, especially in college. Its not like the 68 Celtics pulled out a box and 1.

[mraynrand]

I read that as McVay lovingly throwing the players under the bus AND barely acknowledging that Belichick and Flores pulled one over his eyes and he never recovered.

exactly