Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[pbmax]

Here is some actual evidence that Rodgers defenders and detractors should wrestle with.

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1169274668383125510

new-age analytical @benbbaldwin
This Packers run game thing is like a meme at this point.

The last time they finished outside of the top 10 in rushing DVOA was 2012. In the past 3 seasons, they've been No. 5, and No. 3, and No. 3! https://theathletic.com/1183201/2019...lamar-jackson/

DVOA does track success (not much credit for a 3rd and 12 draw play that gains 7) but it doesn't separate out teams ignoring the run to play Rodgers and pass defense. However, it does beg the question why the Packers did not run more.

And that begs the question: why was the defense so BAD at holding leads?

Captain Comeback (Scott Kacsmar) did a comparison of Brady, Rodgers, Brees and Manning recently. Brees and Manning uniformly has the worst teammate situation for defenses, and Rodgers was mediocre in comparison. Brady had stellar help from his D.

[pbmax]

Peter Bukowski @Peter_Bukowski

Packers rush efficiency rank according to
@fboutsiders
DVOA

2015: 10
2016: 5
2017: 3
2018: 3
Matt LaFleur's philosophy of predicating everything on the run game fits with what is already a strength of the Packers.


The problem with this analysis is that they weren't really running outside zone, they were a run first attack so teams did not game plan them and if you increase the use of the run, its efficiency will decrease. You need to make up for it with passing.

Will be interesting to see in action.

[mraynrand]

And that begs the question: why was the defense so BAD at holding leads?

no pass rush and a terrible secondary, especially at safety. Also, did they really blow a lot of leads?

[pbmax]

no pass rush and a terrible secondary, especially at safety. Also, did they really blow a lot of leads?

Sure, but as wist has pointed out, why can't they draft to fix it? Always the same problems for almost a decade.

[red]

what has our TOP looked like over the years?

i would think that ignoring the run (whether in was fat mike not calling enough runs, or a-rod changing the running plays at the line), and always looking for the big play, would lower our TOP

a lower TOP would hurt defenses laterin games

a 1 play 90 yard touchdown drive looks good on the scoreboard, but its not exactly giving your defense a breather

[pbmax]

no pass rush and a terrible secondary, especially at safety. Also, did they really blow a lot of leads?

Yes. Not as bad as some of Manning's and Bree's worst team defenses, but its not been good.

This has changed in the last two years as the offense has struggled to get the lead early. Which, in turn, has turned Rodgers comeback numbers up. Bad teams usually have a lot of comebacks.

[pbmax]

what has our TOP looked like over the years?

i would think that ignoring the run (whether in was fat mike not calling enough runs, or a-rod changing the running plays at the line), and always looking for the big play, would lower our TOP

a lower TOP would hurt defenses laterin games

a 1 play 90 yard touchdown drive looks good on the scoreboard, but its not exactly giving your defense a breather

Too late to do the calculations, but looking since 2011, Packers have had TOP edge in 62 games out of 128 games. 47 and 15 in those games.

They are 34 and 32 when losing the TOP battle.

But this looks a LOT like running late with a lead.

[mraynrand]

Yes. Not as bad as some of Manning's and Bree's worst team defenses, but its not been good.

This has changed in the last two years as the offense has struggled to get the lead early. Which, in turn, has turned Rodgers comeback numbers up. Bad teams usually have a lot of comebacks.

I was referring only to last year. Anecdotally* the inability to close out games has always been a problem. Given that almost every team needs a top 10 defense to win, I’m hoping all the investment in defense really pays off and they close out games far more with good defense than with their running game.


*anecdotally translates to “I’m too lazy to look it up rn”

[call_me_ishmael]

Not sure. Sure looked like same old ARod much of the night.

[texaspackerbacker]

Not sure. Sure looked like same old ARod much of the night.

Amen to that ....... but not as much as it shoulda look like - and woulda looked like if the Packers had dropped behind late.

[call_me_ishmael]

Amen to that ....... but not as much as it shoulda look like - and woulda looked like if the Packers had dropped behind late.

Amen to that... the Packers put up 10 points... ARod was terrible tonight.

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahahahahaha

[Fosco33]

In Week 1, only 33% of Aaron Rodgers' throws were deemed accurate.

That ranked worst of all 32 qualifying quarterbacks.

[MadScientist]

In Week 1, only 33% of Aaron Rodgers' throws were deemed accurate.

That ranked worst of all 32 qualifying quarterbacks.

Since he was 18/30 that means he completed 8 inaccurate passes.

[texaspackerbacker]

Which means it's all subjective crap from know nothing media pukes.