OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[woodbuck27]

One more hurtful, attacking post like this, and you will be banned.


Positiveness 'M'.

Now I know you may be new to it all but sincere focus on doin' it better 'with added patience', is the virtue at Packerrats.

Banning and suspensions at Packerrats is a thing of the past. Such despotic behaviour isn't the correct response. There are always solutions that usually only take some determined FOCUS.

Packerrats is like a rebirth of 'Flower Power'. Bring on 'the LOVE'.

These days we all spread the LOVE ..the Peace and harmony here is thick.

Pass ....... 'the smoke'.

[Tony Oday]

It wasn't a mid-life crisis, he's been fucking around on Diana since the early 90s that I know for sure.

100% true. I have a friend that was married to Ross Verba and when he met Ross Favre was there trying to "meet" another good friend of mine.

[MJZiggy]

100% true. I have a friend that was married to Ross Verba and when he met Ross Favre was there trying to "meet" another good friend of mine.

There's stories like that all over the place.

[easy cheesy]

http://packerrats.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by easy cheesy http://packerrats.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?p=578900#post578900)
I am SICK, SICK, SICK of listening to the FAVRE crap!!!! SICK OF IT!!!! He brought us ONE RING.... he has multiple SELF CENTRIC STATS... but ONE RING to the team... You know... I don't care who flames me.... I can be schooled by many of the intelligent, Packer educated folks on this board... but this guy NEEDS TO GO AWAY already! It's a new day... it's a new team... it's a new era... Brett Favre doesn't bring "dynasty" to my mind... how could he with one fucking ring... anywhoo.... he seems like a now annointed irrelevent individual who is trying desparately to cling to his "relevancy".... just sayin'... blechhhh....




Originally Posted by Woodbuck

Lovely. I was just going through this tread to take up a position with another poster and discoverd this gem.

I'm assuming that 'you' do not enjoy this thread.

I stand by what I posted. It's my opinion and I am entitled to it. Just because it flies in the face of your opinions does not make it irrelevent. Additionally, the last time I checked, this thread was about Brett Favre. I am so pleased however that you found it "gem" worthy. Lastly don't ASSume.

[easy cheesy]

You tell us turnip...seems to me ... 'you've been on the road'. (-:

What the hell are you even talking about? I guess I don't speak "Woodbuck".

[Iron Mike]

I don't speak "Woodbuck".

Is there anybody that does?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOg_qF9GQUM

[Pugger]

I respectfully decline that honor.

I think we've all learned that you can not hope to attack Woody.

You can only try to contain him.

I don't think anyone can contain him either.

[Zool]

b) I read this thread and post in it as is my right.

Well no...see this is where you're wrong. This isn't a govt (Canadian or otherwise) subsidized website. You have no rights here. You're not paying a dime to be here. This is MTP's payed for and owned website. You have the right to do what's allowed as does everyone else here. It seems like the very people who claim to want this site to thrive are the very ones doing everything possible to ensure it doesn't. Its a good thing Mad is tolerant. If I owned this place I would have told all of us to fuck off a long time ago.

[KYPack]

Yeah, fuck all of us.

That would make a good flick, eh?

[Smeefers]

Well no...see this is where you're wrong. This isn't a govt (Canadian or otherwise) subsidized website. You have no rights here. You're not paying a dime to be here. This is MTP's payed for and owned website. You have the right to do what's allowed as does everyone else here. It seems like the very people who claim to want this site to thrive are the very ones doing everything possible to ensure it doesn't. Its a good thing Mad is tolerant. If I owned this place I would have told all of us to fuck off a long time ago.

And you're a new moderator?

What's going on here anyway?

http://conservativebyte.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/censored.jpg

Zool is awesome, long live the zool!

- This is really Smeefers. I promise.

[George Cumby]

Fire Slocum!

[Gunakor]

Fire Slocum!


Fire Slocum day is still Wednesday isn't it?

[Iron Mike]

Speaking of living legends, 1958 QB "Pineapple" Joe Francis (#20 on the right) has cancer and could use some well wishes/prayers/love from the Packer Rat faithful.

http://cmsimg.packersnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=U0&Dato=20110416&Kategori=PKR0804&Lopenr=104160808&Ref=PH&Item=1&MaxW=350

[Upnorth]

Fire Slocum day is still Wednesday isn't it?

I am certain that someone last year told me it changes to Tuesday in the offseason.
Some one should start a poll...

[Sparkey]

Yeah, fuck all of us.

That would make a good flick, eh?

I believe that was the subtitle of the last porn movie I watched.

[Sparkey]

BTW, Why can't this thread be closed ? I see it happen all the time to keep forums current and on-topic and easier to navigate. Tis a shame that this thread being kept alive (yes I know, I assisted with that) might force another more relevant thread to pass on to never never land (the unseen second page! lol)

[Smeefers]

BTW, Why can't this thread be closed ? I see it happen all the time to keep forums current and on-topic and easier to navigate. Tis a shame that this thread being kept alive (yes I know, I assisted with that) might force another more relevant thread to pass on to never never land (the unseen second page! lol)

If I could, I would sticky this thread to the top. Every once in a while I'd jump in and remind everyone how Brett was perhaps the best Packer to ever put on a uniform. Then I'd watch SC and Woodbuck slap each other like that monkey and Ben Stiller in "Night at the Museum." After the fevor dies down for a bit, I'd jump back in and maybe give a list as to why Aaron is sooo much better than Brett could ever wish to be. Iron man? Give me a break, the players are sueing the NFL over concussions. Brett's record is perhaps the most ignorant, greedy, money hungry, disgusting, evil record there is out there. Think of all the concussions that guy must have played through. All for a barbaric record.

etc etc etc. The entertainment from this thread is near endless. Of course, now that I've disclosed my plan, it can never come to fruition because no one is foolish to fall for that... are they? :whist: :drma:

[Upnorth]

If I could, I would sticky this thread to the top. Every once in a while I'd jump in and remind everyone how Brett was perhaps the best Packer to ever put on a uniform. Then I'd watch SC and Woodbuck slap each other like that monkey and Ben Stiller in "Night at the Museum." After the fevor dies down for a bit, I'd jump back in and maybe give a list as to why Aaron is sooo much better than Brett could ever wish to be. Iron man? Give me a break, the players are sueing the NFL over concussions. Brett's record is perhaps the most ignorant, greedy, money hungry, disgusting, evil record there is out there. Think of all the concussions that guy must have played through. All for a barbaric record.

etc etc etc. The entertainment from this thread is near endless. Of course, now that I've disclosed my plan, it can never come to fruition because no one is foolish to fall for that... are they? :whist: :drma:

So would you ever jump in to tell the truth that Starr is better than both Arod and Favre??? Further, do you think a SC Woody fun fight would occur from your statement?

[MadtownPacker]

BTW, Why can't this thread be closed ? I see it happen all the time to keep forums current and on-topic and easier to navigate. Tis a shame that this thread being kept alive (yes I know, I assisted with that) might force another more relevant thread to pass on to never never land (the unseen second page! lol)
If a subject is interesting it finds a way to stay current. This thread is a topic that is constantly brought up and to minimize the damage we try to keep it in one place.

[pbmax]

What is astounding is that this thread contains NONE of the original argument. It was made mid Jets season. Nothing here is from the height of the meltdown in July/August of 2008.

Its just like the Reformation, but with fewer theses and more expletives.

[KYPack]

BTW, Why can't this thread be closed ? I see it happen all the time to keep forums current and on-topic and easier to navigate. Tis a shame that this thread being kept alive (yes I know, I assisted with that) might force another more relevant thread to pass on to never never land (the unseen second page! lol)

Spark, do you know the old song "Don't mention my name in Sheboygan"?

well,,, you outta.

This thread is the PR classic.

450 pages and 9000 posts?

It'll keep running.

Read the first page and learn about Mobb slobbering all over BLF. With the Jets. Find out how Brett is getting all this rapport with L Coles.

I only hope that I get the 10,000th post!

[channtheman]

You don't really have to worry about a topic reaching the 2nd page if it still had life left in it. I have 20 or so topics on my first page and the ones at the bottom haven't been posted in in a week. We aren't losing out on a topic because this one lives. And yes the first page is pretty hilarious. Actually the whole topic is. It's a classic.

[pbmax]

I think it'll sink for a while when we get closer to the season. It was pretty far down last year before either the masseuse testimony or whatever other news caused it to be rekindled.

[woodbuck27]

I think it'll sink for a while when we get closer to the season. It was pretty far down last year before either the masseuse testimony or whatever other news caused it to be rekindled.


This thread is all about the sublime and the ridiculous..the GOOD , THE BAD and THE UGLY.

This thread was envisioned by it's inspired creator to be something far more valuable to those in here that respcted (still respect) Brett Favre the NFL QB 'Supreme'. It got to be as it did for the most part in any negative respect as the membership struggled with themselves as members here.

I believe it was envisioned with these things in mind:

a) Brett Favre the ongoing Legend.

b) Brett Favre the respected Green Bay Packer QB that was primarily responsible for releasing our team from a long cold nasty stream of seasons when 'the Glory Years' or the 1960's were long lost ......without redemption until Favre went behind Center.

c) Brett Favre voted the Supreme QB of the 1990's and again TOP Five NFL QB in the next decade.

d) Brett Favre 'the GREEN BAY PACKER GREAT' and certain NFL HOFer. The man with 'ALL THE RECORDS' when he retired from active play in the NFL.

e) Brett Favre and 'any number of superlatives', amidst behaviour that held him in question with many Packer fans and outright called him to a certain disgrace away from the field of play. Brett Favre the human being.

Long live Packerrats ..... and this thread.

LONG LIVE.... 'THE GREEN BAY PACKERS' and Brett Favre.

[Sparkey]

Spark, do you know the old song "Don't mention my name in Sheboygan"?

well,,, you outta.

This thread is the PR classic.

450 pages and 9000 posts?

It'll keep running.

Read the first page and learn about Mobb slobbering all over BLF. With the Jets. Find out how Brett is getting all this rapport with L Coles.

I only hope that I get the 10,000th post!


Hmmm, I bet if I were foolish enough to read this whole thread, yours would be the first reference to the Everly Brothers among all 9000+ posts. +1

[woodbuck27]

Hmmm, I bet if I were foolish enough to read this whole thread, yours would be the first reference to the Everly Brothers among all 9000+ posts. +1

Everley Brothers ...really !? mmmm .... Why did I not know that?

That phrase "Don't mention my name in Sheboygan" was used here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0651964/

Recall Sandy Dennis?

THE GREEN BAY PACKERS !

[Sparkey]

The Everly Brothers - Mention My Name In Sheboygan


Mention my name in Sheboygan
It's the greatest little town in the world
Just tell them you're an old friend of mine
And every door in town will have a big welcome sign
So mention my name in Sheboygan
And if you ever get in a jam
Just mention name, I said mention my name
But please don't them where I am

Mention my name in Paducha
It's the greatest little town in the world
I know a gal there you'll simply adore
She was Miss Patoka back in 1904
So mention my name in Paducha
And if you ever get in a mess
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't give them my address

Mention my name in Tacoma
It's the greatest little town in the world
I know the big shots in the City Hall
They even got my picture on the post office wall
So mention my name in Tacoma
And if you ever get in a spat
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't tell them where I'm at
Please don't tell them where I'm at!

[KYPack]

No Spark.

There are two songs.

1. Don't Mention My Name In Sheboygan

2. Mention My Name In Sheboygan (sung by the Everly's)

I'm talkin' about Don't Mention My Name In Sheboygan. It's an old (20's or so) vaudeville hit that was the number 1 song in the country. This is before record's were widely sold. we used to hit an old derlict bar in sheboygan after fishing on L Michigan. We'd buy the locals beer and get 'em to sing and dance to that song. they all knew the words by heart. I can still see that one old guy dancing and singing a toothless shuffle to that tune.

Joint had killer brats, delicious fried fish, ridiculously cheap beer, and of course, great ambiance.

[MJZiggy]

This thread is all about the sublime and the ridiculous..the GOOD , THE BAD and THE UGLY.

This thread was envisioned by it's inspired creator to be something far more valuable to those in here that respcted (still respect) Brett Favre the NFL QB 'Supreme'. It got to be as it did for the most part in any negative respect as the membership struggled with themselves as members here.

I believe it was envisioned with these things in mind:

a) Brett Favre the ongoing Legend.

b) Brett Favre the respected Green Bay Packer QB that was primarily responsible for releasing our team from a long cold nasty stream of seasons when 'the Glory Years' or the 1960's were long lost ......without redemption until Favre went behind Center.

c) Brett Favre voted the Supreme QB of the 1990's and again TOP Five NFL QB in the next decade.

d) Brett Favre 'the GREEN BAY PACKER GREAT' and certain NFL HOFer. The man with 'ALL THE RECORDS' when he retired from active play in the NFL.

e) Brett Favre and 'any number of superlatives', amidst behaviour that held him in question with many Packer fans and outright called him to a certain disgrace away from the field of play. Brett Favre the human being.

Long live Packerrats ..... and this thread.

LONG LIVE.... 'THE GREEN BAY PACKERS' and Brett Favre.

This thread was created to contain the flame war in one spot instead of having it spam every thread on the forum, but nice try.

[Fritz]

Is Brent really retired now?

[Little Whiskey]

Joint had killer brats, delicious fried fish, ridiculously cheap beer, and of course, great ambiance.

you've narrowed that down to just about every corner bar in wisconsin!

what the hell are the words to the song?

[LEWCWA]

This thread was created to contain the flame war in one spot instead of having it spam every thread on the forum, but nice try.

Not exactly, thread was created for what wood claims and was later turned into your new creation......some folks just can't help themselves...

[woodbuck27]

No Spark.

There are two songs.

1. Don't Mention My Name In Sheboygan

2. Mention My Name In Sheboygan (sung by the Everly's)

I'm talkin' about Don't Mention My Name In Sheboygan. It's an old (20's or so) vaudeville hit that was the number 1 song in the country. This is before record's were widely sold. we used to hit an old derlict bar in sheboygan after fishing on L Michigan. We'd buy the locals beer and get 'em to sing and dance to that song. they all knew the words by heart. I can still see that one old guy dancing and singing a toothless shuffle to that tune.

Joint had killer brats, delicious fried fish, ridiculously cheap beer, and of course, great ambiance.

" Joint had killer brats, delicious fried fish, ridiculously cheap beer, and of course, great ambiance." KYPack

Great ambience....how old were you back then KY?

[woodbuck27]

This thread was created to contain the flame war in one spot instead of having it spam every thread on the forum, but nice try.

Well MJZiggy. Good mornin'.

'Of course' you.... having your finger on the pulse of Packerrats and into it all. Sat with the originator of this thread and conceived it just as it turned out.

The wonderful tribute to arguably the GREATEST Green Bay Packer that ever wore the Green and Gold.

Nice job MJ. THANKS for your solid contribution to that end. Your dedication to things positive and 'cheery Lady like ways and manners' are an inspiration to us all.

Have a staggeringly great day MJ.

[gbgary]

If a subject is interesting it finds a way to stay current. This thread is a topic that is constantly brought up and to minimize the damage we try to keep it in one place.

sound judgement. f bf!

[easy cheesy]

Brett Favre can go jump in the lake.... there... I said it.... ***whew*** (Now, what lake is up for debate..HERE WE GOOOOOOOOO!)

[easy cheesy]

Doesn't Minnesota have a lot of lakes? Probably a lot of room for a lot of bodies out there. Us left coasters just utilize the Pacific.... no one is ever heard from again... kind of a "permanent retirement" if you will....

[woodbuck27]

Not exactly, thread was created for what wood claims and was later turned into your new creation......some folks just can't help themselves...

and therein 'lies the rub'. How we differ in how we frame things.

How this naturally created cells of members on certain sides and opposing those that would dare stand for anything different but at their own peril. Those that stand for but 'one thing'. Their agenda.

I certainly do NOT believe that MOBB DEEP (http://packerrats.com/member.php?729-MOBB-DEEP) ever imagined his thread would become the starship thread (mmmm is that a good anology ....ohh who cares this is the Favre thread at Packerrats. A thread that brings out all the best and worst in us as members of Packerrats.

a) The Favre die hard supporter members or 'judged' the Favre LOVERS.

b) The Favre 'he's retired' and so should be this thread members.

c) The Favre Love/Haters.

d) The extreme Favre HATE members or so labeled by the other extreme side.

e) The indifferent ..those who have no opinion on Brett Favre other than he's simply gone so let him claim his NFL Legacy members.

A popular thread that many of us hope will never be archived.



"By defending against wrong.... by acknowliging WRONG, I contribute to WRONG." woodbuck27

I desire to change that.

[woodbuck27]

The Everly Brothers - Mention My Name In Sheboygan


Mention my name in Sheboygan
It's the greatest little town in the world
Just tell them you're an old friend of mine
And every door in town will have a big welcome sign
So mention my name in Sheboygan
And if you ever get in a jam
Just mention name, I said mention my name
But please don't them where I am

Mention my name in Paducha
It's the greatest little town in the world
I know a gal there you'll simply adore
She was Miss Patoka back in 1904
So mention my name in Paducha
And if you ever get in a mess
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't give them my address

Mention my name in Tacoma
It's the greatest little town in the world
I know the big shots in the City Hall
They even got my picture on the post office wall
So mention my name in Tacoma
And if you ever get in a spat
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't tell them where I'm at
Please don't tell them where I'm at!

There is one verse missing above or the third verse. That verse is about Elmira. The song lyrics are then:

MENTION MY NAME IN SHEBOYGAN

(Bob Hilliard, Dick Sanford, and Sammy Mysels)

Mention my name in Sheboygan,
It's the greatest little town in the world.
Just tell them all you're an old friend of mine,
And every door in town will have a big welcome sign.
So mention my name in Sheboygan,
And if you ever get in a jam,
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't tell 'em where I am.

Mention my name in Paducah,
It's the greatest little town in the world.
I know a gal there you'll simply adore,
She was "Miss Paducah" back in nineteen-o-four.
So mention my name in Paducah,
And if you ever get in a mess,
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't give them my address.

Mention my name in Elmira,
It's the greatest little town in the world.
I told the Mayor that he would go far,
I even gave the sheriff an exploding cigar.
So mention my name in Elmira,
And if they ever try to put you in jail,
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't write to me for bail.

Mention my name in Tacoma,
It's the greatest little town in the world.
I know the big shots in their City Hall,
They're even got my picture on the post office wall.
So mention my name in Tacoma,
And if you ever get in a spat,
Just mention my name, I said mention my name
But please don't tell 'em where I'm at.


Copyright 1947, by World Music, Inc.
from "Hal Leonard's Best Fake Book Ever"



Have a great weekend !

GO PACKERS !

[Tony Oday]

Favre only won one Super Bowl...Trent Dilfer can say that!

[Deputy Nutz]

I find it entertaining to listen to Packer fan complain about Favre only winning "ONE" Super Bowl. Greedy Fucks.

[woodbuck27]

Favre only won one Super Bowl...Trent Dilfer can say that!

and ... your point would be? How many NFL players would cherish that one Super Bowl ring?

That doesn't impress you, I'm guessing.

It's good that you didn't have the names Favre and Dilfer in one sentence in the context that you raise.

and that raises this:

How many total yards did Trent Dilfer pass for? Take Favre's record for total yards and subtract the difference. Impressed!?

Do the same with total receptions;total TD's, total wins; 4th quarter comebacks....

on and on and on it goes ...you get the message. (-:

Impressed or 'in denial'?

[ThunderDan]

Well to be fair let's look at some numbers that the benchwarms put up when off the Packers.

Mark Brunnell 2,761/4,640 32,072 yards 184 TDs 108 INTs 84.0 Rating 15 Rushing TDs 19 seasons
Aaron Brooks 1,673/2,963 20,261 yards 123 TDs 92 INTs 78.5 Rating 13 Rushing TDs 8 seasons
Matt Hasselbeck 2,891/4,797 33,150 yards 194 TDs 142 INTs 82.2 Rating 8 Rudhing TDs 13 seasons

Brett Favre 6,300/10,169 71,838 yards 508 TDs 336 INTs 86.0 Rating 14 Rushing TDs 20 Seasons

Aaron Rodgers 1,381/2,113 17,366 yards 132 TDS 38 INTs 104.1 Rating 16 Rushing TDs 7 seasons

Looking at the numbers the 2 things that jump out are:
1. ARod's 3.47 TDs to INT ratio. No one in the group is even close
2. BF's games played, yardage, TDs and INTs.

[Upnorth]

Mark Brunnell had 15 rushing touchdowns??? I never would have guessed that. Favre sure had some world class backups.

I think Arod mught have a decent list of backups in the making as well, starting with Flynn.

[woodbuck27]

Well to be fair let's look at some numbers that the benchwarms put up when off the Packers.

Mark Brunnell 2,761/4,640 32,072 yards 184 TDs 108 INTs 84.0 Rating 15 Rushing TDs 19 seasons
Aaron Brooks 1,673/2,963 20,261 yards 123 TDs 92 INTs 78.5 Rating 13 Rushing TDs 8 seasons
Matt Hasselbeck 2,891/4,797 33,150 yards 194 TDs 142 INTs 82.2 Rating 8 Rudhing TDs 13 seasons

Brett Favre 6,300/10,169 71,838 yards 508 TDs 336 INTs 86.0 Rating 14 Rushing TDs 20 Seasons

Aaron Rodgers 1,381/2,113 17,366 yards 132 TDS 38 INTs 104.1 Rating 16 Rushing TDs 7 seasons

Looking at the numbers the 2 things that jump out are:
1. ARod's 3.47 TDs to INT ratio. No one in the group is even close
2. BF's games played, yardage, TDs and INTs.

Hi ThunderDan:

I looked at Aaron Rodgers passing numbers and **averaged them over the past four seasons. Considering he has a long career to age 40 or 11 more seasons.

How do Aaron Rodgers numbers add up? If ** the average of those numbers is extended throughout his career (or 15 years)?

a) Passing attempts = 7695

b) Completions = 5055

c) total yards = 63,735

d) TD's = 495 ( Amazing !)

e) Picks = 135

I realize that's optimistic thinking but those numers are extraordinary.

Have a great weekend Man.

GO PACKERS !

[HowardRoark]

Hi ThunderDan:

I looked at Aaron Rodgers passing numbers and **averaged them over the past four seasons. Considering he has a long career to age 40 or 11 more seasons.

How do Aaron Rodgers numbers add up? If ** the average of those numbers is extended throughout his career (or 15 years)?

a) Passing attempts = 7695

b) Completions = 5055

c) total yards = 63,735

d) TD's = 495 ( Amazing !)

e) Picks = 135

I realize that's optimistic thinking but those numers are extraordinary.

Have a great weekend Man.

GO PACKERS !

Out of curiosity....why do you always use ****, and what does it mean in your posts?

[woodbuck27]

Out of curiosity....why do you always use ****, and what does it mean in your posts?

Good Day HowardRoark:

I use an *asteric* (one or more) depended on the need of useage in a particular post... as a form of cross referencing within the post.

That comes from my career as a technical guy. I spent many years in the CANDU Nuclear POWER Industry. I've a Degree in Technolgy Ed. and taught mathematics, statistics and science. I wrote many reports.

It's a habit. (-:

Have a great weekend.

GO PACK GO !

GO PACKERS !

[HowardRoark]

I spent many years in the CANDU Nuclear POWER Industry.]

Thanks my Canadian friend....this expalins everything.

[3irty1]

You guys remember MOBB DEEP? Ha.

[MadtownPacker]

I find it entertaining to listen to Packer fan complain about Favre only winning "ONE" Super Bowl. Greedy Fucks.

Whats wrong with one Superbowl? Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning have one each.

[MadtownPacker]

You guys remember MOBB DEEP? Ha.

Yeah I do. He was hella cool and always had something to add. Luckily Brandon has filled the Black power agenda in his absence. :lol:

[George Cumby]

Thanks my Canadian friend....this expalins everything.


INDEED!

[George Cumby]

Yeah I do. He was hella cool and always had something to add. Luckily Brandon has filled the Black power agenda in his absence. :lol:

He?

Shit, I thought Mobb was a chick.....

[Guiness]

No Spark.

There are two songs.

1. Don't Mention My Name In Sheboygan

2. Mention My Name In Sheboygan (sung by the Everly's)

I'm talkin' about Don't Mention My Name In Sheboygan. It's an old (20's or so) vaudeville hit that was the number 1 song in the country. This is before record's were widely sold. we used to hit an old derlict bar in sheboygan after fishing on L Michigan. We'd buy the locals beer and get 'em to sing and dance to that song. they all knew the words by heart. I can still see that one old guy dancing and singing a toothless shuffle to that tune.

Joint had killer brats, delicious fried fish, ridiculously cheap beer, and of course, great ambiance.

I just closed my eyes and tried to imagine what a toothless shuffle is...and by gosh, I think I figured it out! Dick Clark will be crowing about it on American Bandstand next week! (too soon? nah)

[Tony Oday]

Whats wrong with one Superbowl? Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning have one each.

Nothing is wrong with just one super bowl but all those stats really boil down to Super Bowl Wins...look at Marino stat god but not in the top 5 of a lot of lists because of rings.

[Deputy Nutz]

So then comparing Favre to Marino is like comparing apples to pears.

[LEWCWA]

I find it entertaining to listen to Packer fan complain about Favre only winning "ONE" Super Bowl. Greedy Fucks.

No kidding right! Wish it was more, but hell it was a fun ride. Arod is going to be a fun ride as well, its just different for me I'm quite a bit older now and well I haven't spent the last decade happy with a .500 record and a chance at the playoffs! Yep I'm spoiled now!

[MadtownPacker]

Nothing is wrong with just one super bowl but all those stats really boil down to Super Bowl Wins...look at Marino stat god but not in the top 5 of a lot of lists because of rings.
Thats funny. I saw Marino ranked above Favre in this thread.

The reality is those stats boil down to is fun, for us the fans. Plus those stats always meant there was a chance. IMO as Favre got older he got more desperate to get back to the big dance and that reflected in his gut wrenching plays. Rodgers is a different type and might not let his emotions get the best of him as JH has mentioned on here several times.

[Deputy Nutz]

I disagree, if Rodgers manages to play until he is 38 and still hasn't gotten back to a Super Bowl he will press. It is called fading glory and athletes will do anything and try anything to attain another championship. Look how clutch Favre was in the 1990s, and then he felt he was running out of chances and went on tilt in big games.

If Rodgers doesn't do this it will again reflect my disappointment in him.

[woodbuck27]

He?

Shit, I thought Mobb was a chick.....

Random thoughts on an early Saturday morning and inspired by the above post:

YOU thought whaaaaaaat !? That one of our 'most manly men MOBB DEEP' was whaaaaaaat! A female member ? HOLY COW !

I immediately thought.... that's really something...really amazing. Until I enjoyed another cup of coffee and began to examine it. Suddenly it came to me. Like a flash of light ! One of thos ephanys.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Fry-lightbulb-on-forehead1.jpg/220px-Fry-lightbulb-on-forehead1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fry-lightbulb-on-forehead1.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.20wmf2/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fry-lightbulb-on-forehead1.jpg)


http://mail.yimg.com/nq/mc/1_0_0/mesg/tsmileys2/01.gif Ohh yes ! I get you. Well at least I came up with this:

It's rather strange to be posting here for years with the same people and suddenly realize that member isn't a guy ! SURPRIZE ! * That member is 'in fact' a woman.* It's one of those BIG .... WOW FACTORS..... on yaa like a dense fog !

In that particular case I've just realized my error. The poster that I imagined was a male is 'in fact' a male. There was at least one instance when I was cofused. I believed the poster was a man with 'the writing style of the poster' my only way of determining such and 'in fact' the poster was a female.

That has a certain ...Ohh WOW! factor.

On the topic of female posters at Packerrats. SAM JONES LOVE them all:

Women are rather challenged at times and that never seems to end. Especially so in a male oriented and dominated environment. Yet women members here get total satisfaction and eqality... par excellence. Prejudice or male domination...whaaaaaat ?

That 'isn't the case here at Packerrats'. Where membership sexual status is an unknown. Thus never a factor in terms of any respect or honor. Newer members might write 'whatever' to a female member and insult that member and 'the Packerrats lawyer nazi' has a viable defense for the innoscent new member. You don't need to treat (any member for that fact special) and 'a Lady like a Lady' when:

a) sexual status isn't a subject of a members profile.

b) A few of the female posters here act more manly then 95% of the men that even desire to be considered as manly.

Cont'd: Part Two of 'Random thoughts on an early Saturday morning 12 May 2012'.

[woodbuck27]

Part two: Random thoughts on an early Saturday morning:

I just had this thought:

Are women trying to outdo men in every endeavour in life? I mean 'just' some women 'of course'.

Lord forbid that we lose 'the Ladies'. Although it's my take that 'all of us' are beautiful and SPECIAL.

Some of you gals here might know.

Are some women taking testosterone supplements today 'to beef up' the normal assent into manhood brought on by a change of life? Again....If any member here has information to share. Please... get into Romper Room with that. Some men want to act as tough as those women that are on 'that juice'. Men are so gentle it seems to me today.

I will not speak for all men here but generally we simply become Teddy Bears as life takes us down 'wisdoms trail'. Maybe we need a little help?

Men and women of Packerrats ...One for ALL ... All for ONE. What a rally call. Just 'ONE' really happy family of die hard Green Bay Packer fans. Fans that redescribe the word ....'loyalty'.

In a place like Packerrts there is 'no insult ... no harm'. If you ever feel insulted? Toughen up... Your a Packerrat.

In any case there's the standard defense 'that's passe' at Packerrats.

If you wanna hang with 'the BOYS' you need to accept all that's 'the boys'. Gheeessssh whoever imagined some reality and that one. Some men are really dumb Ladies.

Ohh and this... Remember the days when manhood meant excluding any woman from the MAN CLUB? Well 'the Ladies of persuasion excluded from that 'general law of peace and order'...'of course'. on that one I was reading some NFL historical documentation and I came across that Minnesots Viking 'LOVE BOAT' scandal....Oct. 2005.

There's another thought.....

Any danger of such isn't possibe for the Green Bay Packers if they restrict parties to small boats. Maybe center such on a fishing derby. You wouldn't believe the place I've been enjoying the past five months. Honey Harbour, Ontarion, Canada. The fricken' boat capitol of the entire planet it seems . A shit load of marina's and boating craft here. We're about 100 miles north of Toronna, Ontario and we've even got what appears to me to be 'a mafia' resort domaine just down the road from us. Those fellas have some BIG boats. Noone dares enter that compound as the dogs operate as security. you don't even dare take a wee peek.

Ohh dear I'm off topic...and maybe that last part was a tad personal? Sorry.

Essentially...Packerrats wants as many women here as possible as we need to discuss football and that's a real man's game and as the saying goes:

"Behind any good man is a good woman." We need more members here ...period.

Another thought....How come some women have it? I mean their really aggressive. Is it those damn hormones? I know naturally that they affect us guys too; yet in an opposite sence. We're bombarded by advertisments that will 'get us back into jocks'. There are so many options and we need a recommendation if that's possible? Any help is appreciated.... and ...Thanks... We can't have enough information.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Alot of 'really bad things', have happened during the past and this article cover a bunch of them and I bet most here at Packerrats can attest to having a personal reaction to each and every one of them:

The 20 Worst Moments in NFL Offseason History

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...season-history (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1178690-the-20-worst-moments-in-nfl-offseason-history?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl#/articles/1178690-the-20-worst-moments-in-nfl-offseason-history)

[falco]

What?

[Brando19]

Dude...do you smoke weed and type exactly what you're thinking? ;)

[Cheesehead Craig]

All I have to say is:
:jack:

[MadtownPacker]

Who wants a mod badge so they can move Woody's post the the Women's Rights section?

[woodbuck27]

Who wants a mod badge so they can move Woody's post the the Women's Rights section?

better label this :

Part Three... Random Thoughts On an Early Saturday Morning...Addendum.

If your serious toss this into 'the Women's Rights Section' as well... PLEASE. I don't want anymore confusion here.

Holy Cow that's funny Mad...No ....maybe your serious....mmmmm.

I hope there wasn't something wrong with posting that 'light hearted quip' in a thread that's a pot pourri of what seems to me...loaded with everything under the sun posts?

Was there 'anything alarming about anything' in those posts?

Those posts....simply light hearted thoughts based on all 'the hormone therapy Ads' we're bombared with daily on the net.

Are we even sure what food processors/ manufacturers are serving up these days? Men in Canada are amazed.

The gals up here are women at 14-16 years. We have no idea why? Women in Montral are shockingly gorgeous at 18-20 years of age. . . . well any age 'in greater Montreal. Wholesome, athletic,vibrantly healty women. Canadian women in general are awesome. It's the same throughout America. What are we eating?

I wasn't posting that for any reason but to serve a question. It wasn't even good Ole Canadian satire. I must make a note to myself to NOT ever go there. That might cause 'a real stirr'.

A womens Rights Section at Packerrats. This football Forum has it all. Awesome !!

Fascinating information and whoever created that needs a loud applause. Great stuff !! I'd enjoy seeing that. I've always been interested in understanding issues.

What are the directions to that thread?

[MJZiggy]

Who wants a mod badge so they can move Woody's post the the Women's Rights section?

I'll take it.

[MJZiggy]

Holy Cow was there something worng with posting that 'light hearted quip' in a thread that's a pot pourri of what seems to me...loaded with everything under the sun posts? Was there 'anything alarming about anything' in those posts?

That's simply light hearted thoughts based on all 'the hormone therapy Ads' we're bombared with daily on the net. Are we even sure what food processors/ manufacturers are serving up these days? Men in Canada are amazed. The gals up here are women at 14-16 years. We have no idea why? Women in Montral are shockingly gorgeous at 18-20 years of age. . . . well any age 'in greater Montreal. Wholesome, athletic,vibrantly healty women. Canadian women in general are awesome. It's the same throughout America.

I wasn't posting that for any reason but to serve a question. It wasn't even good Ole Canadian satire.

There's a 'Women's Rights Section 'at Packerrats. I'd enjoy seeing that. I've always been interested in understanding issues.

What are the directions to that thread?

The only "hormone therapy" ads, I ever see are for viagra.

[woodbuck27]

The only "hormone therapy" ads, I ever see are for viagra.


Don't the internet servers know your a woman? Protest getting such ads as I do. I don't need such unnatural remedys.

I've a fantastic woman to love. She's my Viagra.

[woodbuck27]

I'll take it.

GREAT !

What are the directions to the Women's Rights Section of Packerrats? I never noticed it in the list of Forum Threads.

Yup .... I'm back and I don't see it MJZiggy.

[MJZiggy]

Don't the internet servers know your a woman? Protest getting such ads as I do. I don't need such unnatural remedys.

I've a fantastic woman to love. She's my Viagra.

It's called AdBlocker. And if you're looking for the Women's Rights section, it's in the GC in a thread named "F***."

[woodbuck27]

It's called AdBlocker. And if you're looking for the Women's Rights section, it's in the GC in a thread named "F***."

Ohh no. In the Garbage can. Pretty scary place isn't it?

F*** ??

mmmm ahhhh wellll ahhhh errrr hummmm ahhhhh

Got it... F.A.S.T.

Females Against Systematic Treatment....you fellas are SPECIAL. LOVELY.

[Guiness]

All I have to say is:
:jack:

this thread has been hi-jacked, low jacked and left jacked. It's not possible to jack it anymore.

[woodbuck27]

this thread has been hi-jacked, low jacked and left jacked. It's not possible to jack it anymore.

Ehh Guiness... it's even been circle - jacked. Now that's downright hard to believe.

I guess that places new meaning on the old standard:

"Anything is possible in AMERICA."

[Tony Oday]

this thread has been hi-jacked, low jacked and left jacked. It's not possible to jack it anymore.

Circle jack?

[MadtownPacker]

I think that already happened to.

[channtheman]

Woodbuck's posts have been getting more fucked up lately.

[Cheesehead Craig]

This thread's getting more random than the random musings thread.

[MJZiggy]

this thread has been hi-jacked, low jacked and left jacked. It's not possible to jack it anymore.

I think, honey, that the only way to jack it now would be to talk about Favre in it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.sogmin.org/Newsletters/2011%20NLs/Floyd%202.jpg


Eugene Levy did a good Floyd the Barber on SCTV,
but you can't really improve on perfection:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2TtIUHnkq8#!

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck's posts have been getting more fucked up lately.

Do I need too post to please you? I hope not.

I'll take this post by you channtheman... as 'a constructive criticism' without the constructive which makes it 'a criticism' that's unconstructive and as a result therefore .... not helpful.

I challenge you as a fellow member here to realize we need your help in making Packerrats a wonderful place to visit and enjoy as a Green Bay Packer fan. I'd really like to please you but that's not always going to be the case.

If my posts annoy you it's so simple:

I ask you to consider the IGNORE option . As your fellow member and Packer fan. I wish you a positive experience at Packerrats.

I'll add this and I'm sure you've heard it before but one must not assume anything.I'm here to be 'a friend...helpful'.

I learned a long time ago and sometimes I forget it too channtheman. (-:

If you havn't something positive or nice to say.

Park it. Don't post useless. That's NOT helpful.

We need 'all hands on board' to make Packerrats the very best and I believe ' it will be '. Join me in ensuring that please. I believe you will.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I think, honey, that the only way to jack it now would be to talk about Favre in it.

My goodness the last thing anyone here should do at this time is to post anything Brett Favre.

I mean that's like 'tossing a flaming zippo in a very dry forest'... in July.

Really destructive.

[Pugger]

Most sports forums have very few women posters. Most of the women I know don't care about sports so I visit sites like this so I can 'talk sports' about the Pack and the Crew.

[woodbuck27]

Most sports forums have very few women posters. Most of the women I know don't care about sports so I visit sites like this so I can 'talk sports' about the Pack and the Crew.

Pugger I've loved sports since I was 10 years of age. Growing up and being a guy it's what you did. You hopefully had the athleticism and entusiasm needed to make the sports teams in school and in the community.

You also talked sports and we had the livliest good humoured discussions and it was so much fun. There was never any competition or any Alfa Male Dick swinging BULLSHIT contests like we sometimes get at Packerrats. We rendered one another with a heaping serving of decency and mutual respect or you didn't fit. You received respect for the right NOT wrong reasons.

You act negative or aggressive and that got you in over your head in the wolf pack environment I was a part of.

Pugger Your contribution here in my observation is positive and in a good and proper spirit. Your a model poster IMO.

You can be a member of my Wolf Pack any day you have the time.

GO PACKERS !

[Pugger]

Thanks Woody. :-D I do like being one of the guys. I was always a tomboy even if I wasn't all that athletic. I went to an all-girls catholic high school back in GB (St. Joseph Academy to you more mature GB natives) so I didn't have a lot of opportunities to participate in sports back then. But because I grew up Packerland it was natural for me to be a football fan even if a lot of my female peers did not.

[woodbuck27]

Thanks Woody. :-D I do like being one of the guys. I was always a tomboy even if I wasn't all that athletic. I went to an all-girls catholic high school back in GB (St. Joseph Academy to you more mature GB natives) so I didn't have a lot of opportunities to participate in sports back then. But because I grew up Packerland it was natural for me to be a football fan even if a lot of my female peers did not.

Nice.

I envy all you Packerrats that have lived so close to Lambeau Field. I can't imagine the thrill it would be for me to ever enter 'the Shrine of football'.

GO PACKERS !

[Iron Mike]

I went to an all-girls catholic high school back in GB (St. Joseph Academy to you more mature GB natives).

Hopefully not this far back......

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z-ZwvBgrL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[Iron Mike]

Dude...do you smoke weed and type exactly what you're thinking? ;)

I think it's more along the lines of "ignore the prescribed meds and type exactly what comes to your mind...."

[woodbuck27]

Hopefully not this far back......

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z-ZwvBgrL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

WOW! I was 'only' five years old back then and surely Pugger can't be older than me.

I just retired and I'm 65 years old.

[Iron Mike]

http://www.sogmin.org/Newsletters/2011%20NLs/Floyd%202.jpg


Eugene Levy did a good Floyd the Barber on SCTV,
but you can't really improve on perfection:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtK11FJSQBY

Fixed. :)

[Brando19]

I think it's more along the lines of "ignore the prescribed meds and type exactly what comes to your mind...."

lol...that must be it.

[Pugger]

Hopefully not this far back......

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z-ZwvBgrL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

:lol: No, 1973.

[woodbuck27]

lol...that must be it.


LOL You fellas keep guessing. Whatever spills your milk.

[woodbuck27]

No, the Packers were intent on forcing that player to REMAIN retired. If Donald retires and then tries to come back but thumbs his nose at competing for his old job then the situations will be similar.


That former Packer wasn't retired. That former Packer player was frustrated beyond belief with his team's GM Ted Thompson. That former Packer player felt that his GM was constantly tumping his nose at hi in terms of getting him the weapons he needed to win another Super Bowl where 'of course' he strongly was determined to do so or in Green Bay. That former Packer GREAT. Felt he ws being disrespected by his GM and I simply view that as a fact or the TRUTH in terms of my observation and analysis.

This is a thread totally dedicated to the respect of one Packer player and his name is clearly Donald Driver. I'll not debate again what's so obviously true. Yet for those who didn't get it. Here's how I saw / see it.


Ted Thompson was hired to faze out Brett Favre after the way he handled himself (and that was poorly) in the playoff Vs Minny (2004 Season Playoff's) the year before Ted Thompson was brought in 9225) to replace GM Mike Sherman.

That move clearly reflected the writing on the wall as far as 'that Packer Great' and his future in Green Bay. His time was near up.

Ted Thompson needed to first fill his BIG shoes. Ted Thompson got fortunate and Aaron Rodgers feel to him in his foirst draft as our GM. The course was obviously set for that Packer GREAT's departure. This was going to be a delicate matter as that Packer Great was stil the NFL Icon.

Ted Thompson had to be careful not to make moves that would please that Packer GREAT or extend him as a Packer as the focus was on 'that players exit plan'. So it was to come and be until we come to 'the straw that broke the camels back'.Ted Thompson ensureing that Randy Moss went from Oakland to New England and not to Green Bay as a weapon for the possible prolonging of the Packer GREAT's career. Afterall that move or Randt Moss in Green and Gold would have certainly demonstrated support for 'that Packer GREAT' and that wasn't on the agenda.

That Packer GREAT got piss'd. What a player handled by his same agent not acquired by Ted thompson especially after he endorsed 'the Packers' acquiring him. Impossible to believe. That Packer Great just wasn't gettin it yet. I'm positive if you placed yourself in that players shoes you might want to choke Ted Thompson. Ohh he was that close to attaining one of the supreme talents at WR in NFL history and blew it on terms related to length of contract. What 'a fricken' joke. If anyone here bought that then please don't inform me of your gullibility.

That takes us to my term 'Shadow Ally'.

I believe that Ted Thompson and Bill Bilichick are Shadow Ally's. That they've formed a pact to serve one another. Debt owed (Randy Moss) debt payed. We just saw that payment on behalf of Bill Belichick and it's over the top so obvious.

If you observed this past draft carefully and scratched your head over how TT moved up to the bottom of round 2 to secure CB Casey Hayward for his late 3rd Rd. pick. Virtually stole that trade up with one of the slyest GM's in the game.

If you or anyone else here at Packerrats scratced your head over that manouver and judged Bilichick as getting duped by 'the genious', Ted Thompson.

You and anyone else havn't been paying attention to the TRUTH. You havn't got it to REAL and Tede Thompson. Our teams GM is way to obvious to this Packer fan.

GO PACKERS !

GO PACKERS !

[Gunakor]

That former Packer wasn't retired.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kACbVGsWN74

[ThunderDan]

Ted Thompson had to be careful not to make moves that would please that Packer GREAT or extend him as a Packer as the focus was on 'that players exit plan'. So it was to come and be until we come to 'the straw that broke the camels back'.Ted Thompson ensureing that Randy Moss went from Oakland to New England and not to Green Bay as a weapon for the possible prolonging of the Packer GREAT's career. Afterall that move or Randt Moss in Green and Gold would have certainly demonstrated support for 'that Packer GREAT' and that wasn't on the agenda.



How did Randy and BF do in MINN together?

[woodbuck27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kACbVGsWN74

That was simply extreme frustration Sir.

That Packer Great was slow to get it. I believe 'finally' he was coming to grips that his time in Green Bay was about over if not finally 'just that' or OVER. He always ended each season and sometime before the next said that he wanted to be assured that the Green Bay Packer organization fully repected him or wanted him to lead the Packer offense as the starting QB in the next season.

I ask you to simply try to place yourself in his place. Ask yourself a fair question:

Can you imagine the frustration after observing 'the absolutely Monstrous season' that Randy Moss just had in New England?

If you were the Packer QB would having Randy Moss in the lineup possibly have been a bonus or served your needs to produce more offense Vs the NY GIANTS in that NFC championship game? If your memory is short and I hope not. Randy Moss had 98 receptions for 1493 yards (15.2 avg) and 23 TD's for the Pat's in 2007. How many WR's had a better regular season in NFL history?

Do you think 'that fact' ... of Moss's Monster season. Had no influence on that Packer QB?

I do not need to look at that video. I will NOT ever forget the emotion demonstrated in that video. I believe we saw exreme frustation demonstrated there without anger. We rather saw 'raw frustration'. That simply and often takes some time to heal. Often a Pro gets there and reloads with a reborn positiveness in time he/she recovers or gets back the competitive juices.

The man in that video was the consummate competitor and gifted Pro athlete. He and his attitude on the field in terms of his contribution towords wining football games was what football is all about.

That man was and wil always remain SPECIAL and we were blessed to see him play for so long and by far overall make our team competitive in all his seasons in Green Bay except one. That's just too obviously 'the TRUTH'.

I'll remind you this thread is about another Green Bay Packer GREAT. Donald Driver.

GO TT and 'please' respect Donald Driver.

GO PACKERS !

[Gunakor]

That was simply extreme frustration Sir.

Yes it was. And he was still retired.

Now I'll remind you that it was you who introduced Brett Favre to this thread in the first place, and let it go.

[woodbuck27]

I think you were the one who said history will repeat itself not me. I asked if you meant BF. I am not trying to do anything but clarify what your point above was.

Again....

I'm not getting sucked into any discussion about a former Packer and NFL player (retired) and anything Donald Driver.

GO PACKERS !

[ThunderDan]

2007

BF - 356/535 66.5% 4,155 Yards 7.8 YPA 28 TDs 15 INTs 95.7 Rating
GBP - Offense 370.7 YPG #2 27.2 PPG #4

Those are amazing numbers for any team. Adding Randy Moss may have improved the team but not by much. We were a dominant offensive team in 2007. Also having Moss would have hurt the development of players like Greg Jennings and James Jones.

[woodbuck27]

2007

BF - 356/535 66.5% 4,155 Yards 7.8 YPA 28 TDs 15 INTs 95.7 Rating
GBP - Offense 370.7 YPG #2 27.2 PPG #4

Those are amazing numbers for any team. Adding Randy Moss may have improved the team but not by much. We were a dominant offensive team in 2007. Also having Moss would have hurt the development of players like Greg Jennings and James Jones.

2007 Packers and Favre and Moss 92207) on the same side and NFC Chamopionship game Vs NY GIANTS would've trumped Packers and NO Randy Moss in terms of getting to 'the Show'. Randy Moss wouldn't have hurt Greg Jenning he would have opened things up for him or vice versa.

Yet that's moot as Ted Thompson failed to land Randy Moss and we'll therefore never know.

We're still off topic.

[ThunderDan]

2007 Packers and Favre and Moss 92207) on the same side and NFC Chamopionship game Vs NY GIANTS would've trumped Packers and NO Randy Moss in terms of getting to 'the Show'. Randy Moss wouldn't have hurt Greg Jenning he would have opened things up for him or vice versa.

Yet that's moot as Ted Thompson failed to land Randy Moss and we'll therefore never know.

We're still off topic.

This is my last post related to this. I should know better than to "argue" with you.

It didn't matter who we had in the 2007 NFC Championship game at WR, BF couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that day. Get rid of the 90 yard TD to Driver and Favre's line is 18/34 for 146 1TD and 2INTs. Even when you add that pass BF's QB rating for the game was 70.7.

Randy Moss would have had ZERO impact on that game.

The only player who may have had a positive impact on the game was the GB backup QB. BF obviously didn't want to play in that game.

[Smeefers]

Hey, did you guys know you could bid to have your kid play football with Brett? Tha'd be pretty cool. If any of you guys win, I got a couple of his rookie cards I wouldn't mind getting signed. Maybe I could send em along with you?

www.charitybuzz.com/catalog_items/2934162

[woodbuck27]

Hey, did you guys know you could bid to have your kid play football with Brett? Tha'd be pretty cool. If any of you guys win, I got a couple of his rookie cards I wouldn't mind getting signed. Maybe I could send em along with you?

www.charitybuzz.com/catalog_items/2934162

Nice.

[woodbuck27]

This is my last post related to this. I should know better than to "argue" with you.

It didn't matter who we had in the 2007 NFC Championship game at WR, BF couldn't hit the broad side of a barn that day. Get rid of the 90 yard TD to Driver and Favre's line is 18/34 for 146 1TD and 2INTs. Even when you add that pass BF's QB rating for the game was 70.7.

Randy Moss would have had ZERO impact on that game.

The only player who may have had a positive impact on the game was the GB backup QB. BF obviously didn't want to play in that game.

"BF obviously didn't want to play in that game." ThunderDan

Dear lord and BF was known as an NFL QB that was prone to giving up.

Boy oh boy did you ever smoke yourself on that one.

I won't go to a prominant fellow members common response of 'NICE TRY'. Your not even remotely close to being correct man.

Your very funny though in your denial of what Favre was as our QB and entirely puzzling to me. I'll be thinking of you when Favre goes into the NFL HOF on the first ballot. Still shaking my head and laughing.

GO PACKERS !

[hoosier]

First prize: one afternoon playing catch and hanging out with #4.
Second prize: two afternoons playing catch and (mostly) hanging out with #4.

[ThunderDan]

Brett Favre and Mike McCarthy both looked looked like they got the word fr. head office to lay over like wet fish. Mike Mccarthy looked too numb and well Favre wasn't really there was he?

Packers Forever.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?10363-Winners-and-Losers-Championship-Edition

Some guy named woodbuck27 had this to say right after the Packers lost to the Giants that night.

[MJZiggy]

First prize: one afternoon playing catch and hanging out with #4.
Second prize: two afternoons playing catch and (mostly) hanging out with #4.

Repped.

[hoosier]

WTF, Fritz?!? Why'd ya hafta get this thread dumped in the GC?

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

lol

[MadtownPacker]

WTF, Fritz?!? Why'd ya hafta get this thread dumped in the GC?
Instead of nixing the thread I have just deleted the post. I get how it might be humorous but it was a stupid thing to do in the Packers area.

[woodbuck27]

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?10363-Winners-and-Losers-Championship-Edition

Some guy named woodbuck27 had this to say right after the Packers lost to the Giants that night.

Ohh Boy. Can we get out the game tape and have a look. Brett Favre looked frozen (very very cold) with the ambient that day. He was in some sort of shock. Damn MM decided that for that weeks practice(s).

Just another week and 'of course' football in Green Bay means indoors. Holy shit !

Was MM instructed to be prudent with the budget? That the players didn't use too much tissue/cough syrup/mentholiptus. The temp. in Green Bay wasn't nice that week and it wasn't getting to better on gameday.

MM had to get the men outdoors for practise...to aclimatize them. Get them ready and today he would tell us he went to school over that boo boo. We'll have to wait for the Mike McCarthy papers.Out in print for us all to read sometime in the 2020's.

Brett Favre 'wasn't there'... refers to the fact he 'was never in that place' before. He had never felt such frigid conditions and the video certainly supports that. He was 'in shock' with the frigid temperature. I never saw him look so out of sorts.

Hey Bud. If I took your ass from the Swedish sauna to the cold Bay of Fundy in January. How would you stand up man?

and we're off topic Bud. I do admire your determination and your research capability ... impressive. (-:

GO PACKERS !

[Pugger]

That was simply extreme frustration Sir.

That Packer Great was slow to get it. I believe 'finally' he was coming to grips that his time in Green Bay was about over if not finally 'just that' or OVER. He always ended each season and sometime before the next said that he wanted to be assured that the Green Bay Packer organization fully repected him or wanted him to lead the Packer offense as the starting QB in the next season.

I ask you to simply try to place yourself in his place. Ask yourself a fair question:

Can you imagine the frustration after observing 'the absolutely Monstrous season' that Randy Moss just had in New England?

If you were the Packer QB would having Randy Moss in the lineup possibly have been a bonus or served your needs to produce more offense Vs the NY GIANTS in that NFC championship game? If your memory is short and I hope not. Randy Moss had 98 receptions for 1493 yards (15.2 avg) and 23 TD's for the Pat's in 2007. How many WR's had a better regular season in NFL history?

Do you think 'that fact' ... of Moss's Monster season. Had no influence on that Packer QB?

I do not need to look at that video. I will NOT ever forget the emotion demonstrated in that video. I believe we saw exreme frustation demonstrated there without anger. We rather saw 'raw frustration'. That simply and often takes some time to heal. Often a Pro gets there and reloads with a reborn positiveness in time he/she recovers or gets back the competitive juices.

The man in that video was the consummate competitor and gifted Pro athlete. He and his attitude on the field in terms of his contribution towords wining football games was what football is all about.

That man was and wil always remain SPECIAL and we were blessed to see him play for so long and by far overall make our team competitive in all his seasons in Green Bay except one. That's just too obviously 'the TRUTH'.

I'll remind you this thread is about another Green Bay Packer GREAT. Donald Driver.

GO TT and 'please' respect Donald Driver.

GO PACKERS !

Extreme frustration? You think Favre was still pissed about Moss? Good lord. We were in the NFC Championship game without that headcase for Christ's sake.

And do you truly believe Favre wouldn't have been our starter in 2008 had he not given that teary 'retirement' speech that March? The only way he wouldn't have been our starter is if Rodgers would have beaten him out in TC that summer. Maybe Favre did indeed see the writing on the wall...

[Smeefers]

Aww man, Now I don't know what everyone is talking about.

[hoosier]

Smeefers, let's just say Fritz posted a revealing image that was supposed to resemble someone we used to admire in one of his lesser moments. But from what I have heard, anatomically speaking, it bore no resemblance whatsoever.

[woodbuck27]

Smeefers, let's just say Fritz posted a revealing image that was supposed to resemble someone we used to admire in one of his lesser moments. But from what I have heard, anatomically speaking, it bore no resemblance whatsoever.

It seems ... our beloved Fritz 'the Man' ... departed from his norm in terms of 'whit and manners / morals'. It's tough in the off season to always be 'the Golden boy' at Packerrats.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Fritz_description.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Fritz_description.jpg)

Posting 'giant images of anything' isn't acceptable at Packerrats. Unless you'd enjoy eating it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H8fS0MMsL._SL500_AA300_.jpg




GO PACKERS !

[Gunakor]

we're off topic Bud.


We became off topic when you started spouting off about the $20 million offer to Favre, and could we just give some of that to Driver now instead. Then something about history repeating itself. Not that I'd be incredibly pissed if it did.

http://media.nj.com/realtimesports_impact/photo/brett-favre-vikings-saints-nfc-championship-game-76acea13444fe84c_large.jpg

http://www.wbur.org/files/2011/02/0207_aaron-rodgers-630x514.jpg

How the hell do you personally derail a thread and then get pissed about the discussion being off topic? Woody, you ruined your own thread.

[woodbuck27]

We became off topic when you started spouting off about the $20 million offer to Favre, and could we just give some of that to Driver now instead. Then something about history repeating itself. Not that I'd be incredibly pissed if it did.

http://media.nj.com/realtimesports_impact/photo/brett-favre-vikings-saints-nfc-championship-game-76acea13444fe84c_large.jpg

http://www.wbur.org/files/2011/02/0207_aaron-rodgers-630x514.jpg

How the hell do you personally derail a thread and then get pissed about the discussion being off topic? Woody, you ruined your own thread.



" How the hell do you personally derail a thread and then get pissed about the discussion being off topic? Woody, you ruined your own thread." ..... ' that MAN ' Gunakor.


Holy Mackeral ...I'm hardly pissed ... Willis. Your hilarious. (-: X 10.

Just guessing? Your married and never win any argument with your wife. That's never easy.

So being a compassionate person I'll bow to you Gunakor. You need to feel good for a change.

Picture me .......... bowing (forward).

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Originally Posted by ThunderDan http://packerrats.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?p=663044#post663044)

"You can absolutely hate Favre the person off the field and still respect what he did on the field. He is a first ballot HOFer. He is also a penis snapping, e-mail sending idiot." ThunderDan

OK.

"As per the cold, it was my people that "found" Greenland, Iceland and Canada and brought our "saunas" with us. I have no problem with the cold." ThunderDan

OK. Thanks for sharing.That's nice. (-:

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8292e2aa/article/packers-thinking-about-retiring-brett-favres-number-

Packers thinking about retiring Brett Favre's number


By Gregg Rosenthal ...Around The League editor

Published: May 18, 2012 at 08:09 a.m.
Updated: May 18, 2012 at 09:37 a.m.

"The breakup between Brett Favre and the Packers was ugly, like most high-profile breakups. The team, secure in the knowledge that it made the right choice to let Favre go, hopes that a little time heals all wounds.


The team plans to retire Brett Favre's number (https://twitter.com/#!/LoriNickel/status/203194702260994048) in a year or two, when it is meaningful to Favre.

(Translation: When the emotions have subsided some. And when we're absolutely sure Favre isn't going to play again.)" Fr. LINK

Comment woodbuck27:

We've a thread dedicated to Brett Favre. I decided this news would make it acceptable as it's own thread. If that's not best for the health of Packerrats it may be 'of course' moved to the FAVRE thread.

[Tony Oday]

Retire the number when he gets in the HOF. Should be long enough away for most of the bad blood to have boiled off while we bask in the thrid SB win under AR and TT.

[Deputy Nutz]

You all ain't gonna win shit

[woodbuck27]

Retire the number when he gets in the HOF. Should be long enough away for most of the bad blood to have boiled off while we bask in the thrid SB win under AR and TT.

No..too much like 'sour grapes'.

The Packer organization should take the bull by the horns and retire Favre's number after talking to Favre RE: just this.

The Packer Organization is too big for small insignificant backwards stances that have zero to do with any NOW!

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

You all ain't gonna win shit

Deputy Nutz. I respect your stance on this issue. You represent the hard line opposition to the Favre haters.

Gradually the rest of us have been reduced to aiming for a compromise or common sence just to get some PEACE on this forum.

a) Of course none of it can possibly do with how Brett Favre was as our teams offensive leader playing so distinguishedly.

b) How he did such a large part to restore the Packer Organization back to respectability.

Did anyone forget that...He's the only NFL player to win back to back to back NFL MVP's. Just that gets him into the NFL HOF as a first ballot candidate . How many achievements after that including the record of consecutive game starts 'all positions except kicker' get him the same honour?

It's just shameful for me to become aware of any Packer fan that would sincerely 'attempt in any way' to take that away from him. To do so and expect credibility as a Packer fan or a knowledgeable NFL fan? I've had to come to terms with that. Call upon every rational I have as a discriminating person to understand that. I always struggle with that one.

We'll likely NOT ever see another QB like Brett Favre. He was unique and wonderful. For so long the Icon of the NFL.

When it's all said and done can Packer fans forget:

c) That he was voted the 90's decade's Top QB on NFL.Com.

d) Deny that throughout two decades FAVRE was a TOP FIVE QB and dispute that and try to dispute that he was 'at least a TOP TEN QB' for consecutive decades?

e) Fault Bret Favre without answering the question. How many QB's in NFL history have been recognized by experts with that distinction in d) ?

One was Dan Marino. Brett Favre and Dan Marino. There's some fast company.

Brett Favre's number 4 'with the Packers', should be retired ASAP. Anything less than that is utter nonsence.

GO PACKERS !

[HowardRoark]

As far as the Ring of Honor (or whtever it's called)....you can't get up there until you are in the HOF the way I understand it. The retired numbers are set in their own area above the rest.......are they all in the HOF?

So, his number could be retired, but potentially not on the Ring?

[Cheesehead Craig]

As far as the Ring of Honor (or whtever it's called)....you can't get up there until you are in the HOF the way I understand it. The retired numbers are set in their own area above the rest.......are they all in the HOF?

So, his number could be retired, but potentially not on the Ring?

Both are gonna happen. Time heals all wounds and so long as he doesn't go off on the Packer organization he'll get the number retired. It will be a moving ceremony with lots of applause.

[sharpe1027]

Nobody is going to wear #4 any time soon, whether or not they officially retire the number right now. There's no rush.

[hoosier]

Both are gonna happen. Time heals all wounds and so long as he doesn't go off on the Packer organization he'll get the number retired. It will be a moving ceremony with lots of applause.

You got that backwards: time wounds all heels.

I predict it will be a loooong time before the Packers retire #4, not because management hates Favre but because Favre's animosity toward TT would not allow him to participate in any retirement ceremony. What would it take to bring Favre back to Lambeau as a Packer whose number is being retired? TT, MM and Murphy would have to crash and burn first, and get replaced by a new adminstration that has no connection to the current one. Not gonna happen for a long time.

[MJZiggy]

Smeefers, let's just say Fritz posted a revealing image that was supposed to resemble someone we used to admire in one of his lesser moments. But from what I have heard, anatomically speaking, it bore no resemblance whatsoever.
Waaaayyyyyyyyy too big.

[MJZiggy]

Yes, but by putting the willingness out there, they show that it's Favre being the baby about it, not the team.

[Joemailman]

You got that backwards: time wounds all heels.

I predict it will be a loooong time before the Packers retire #4, not because management hates Favre but because Favre's animosity toward TT would not allow him to participate in any retirement ceremony. What would it take to bring Favre back to Lambeau as a Packer whose number is being retired? TT, MM and Murphy would have to crash and burn first, and get replaced by a new adminstration that has no connection to the current one. Not gonna happen for a long time.

I think Favre needs to make his peace with Ted Thompson while Thompson is still with the Packers. If he waits until Thompson is gone and then says "Hey everybody, I'm back!", he'll get a lot of one finger salutes. Most of the fans will come around if Favre and Thomson heal the rift, but the decision is Favre's. He has to bury the hatchet.

[pbmax]

Instead of nixing the thread I have just deleted the post. I get how it might be humorous but it was a stupid thing to do in the Packers area.

:bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap:

That's a five clap admin move. Save the thread, lose the post.

I'd rep Mad, but I pretty sure he enjoys being red and underestimated.

[pbmax]

I think Favre needs to make his peace with Ted Thompson while Thompson is still with the Packers. If he waits until Thompson is gone and then says "Hey everybody, I'm back!", he'll get a lot of one finger salutes. Most of the fans will come around if Favre and Thomson heal the rift, but the decision is Favre's. He has to bury the hatchet.

I agree, it would do quite a bit to turn fan attitudes around. It will take someone to play peacemaker and make the first calls (Campen? :lol: ), but it would be for the best.

Maybe Andrew Brandt could do it and he would have five more years of articles about the Packers and Favre to write.

[MJZiggy]

:bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap::bclap:

That's a five clap admin move. Save the thread, lose the post.

I'd rep Mad, but I pretty sure he enjoys being red and underestimated.

You could always disapprove the post and write something nice in the comments...

[gbgary]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[mission]

I found my second person to add to the ignore list...

[woodbuck27]

You got that backwards: time wounds all heels.

I predict it will be a loooong time before the Packers retire #4, not because management hates Favre but because Favre's animosity toward TT would not allow him to participate in any retirement ceremony. What would it take to bring Favre back to Lambeau as a Packer whose number is being retired? TT, MM and Murphy would have to crash and burn first, and get replaced by a new adminstration that has no connection to the current one. Not gonna happen for a long time.

Isn't it time we finally clean the rumours and lies up at Packerrats RE: Brett Favre? Do so with some sence of humility and decent respect for one another here?

To establish the TRUTH as it exists today. To allow this Packer Forum Home to heal as it justly deserves instead of wallowing in needless animosity over a Packer GREAT.

My advice....THINK. Do you need to take on the challenge that I propose below?

hoosier you have every opportunity to back up your claims in the above. Until you do your post means 'Jackshit'. I don't believe you can supply positive proof to support that Favre continues feeing animosity over anything TT and / or MM or Murphy.

Please offer this forum ** your proof or humble yourself and stop posting nonsence.

This isn't about debate of animosty among members here. This isn't about attacking 'the poster'. This is about backing yourself up in terms of your post. This is 'about healing at Packerrats' and that's bigger than any member here.

** I do not believe you can do so in terms of the post above. Back yourself up or pleae recognize that your attitude isn't healthy for you in terms of the legacy that Brett Favre so richly deserves.

Thanks for your time. Have a Super weekend. We are enjoying a long weekend here in Canada.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Yes, but by putting the willingness out there, they show that it's Favre being the baby about it, not the team.

Ohh isn't that post special; a real leap of misconception.

Read my post to hoosier and substitute hoosiers name for your own MJZiggy. It's time you get it to the TRUTH and not to something you continue to corrupt this forum with in terms of the legacy that Brett Favre deserves. Take your petiness and hatred MJZiggy and flush it. Instead of smearing it all over this forum.

You just do NOT get it in terms of Brett Favre and in that respect 'stink up the air' in Packerrats. Get over yourself please.

I give you credit for one thing . That post above by you is about as useless as last months deviled ham sandwich. In fact it's so pointlessly thought out that I'm just going to disregard it as bullshit. It stinks so much I don't even want to go near it.

[woodbuck27]

I think Favre needs to make his peace with Ted Thompson while Thompson is still with the Packers. If he waits until Thompson is gone and then says "Hey everybody, I'm back!", he'll get a lot of one finger salutes. Most of the fans will come around if Favre and Thomson heal the rift, but the decision is Favre's. He has to bury the hatchet.

Joemailman...if you had taken the time to get over yourself. You would by now have fully learned that 'in fact' Brett Favre holds no animosity over 'anything Green Pay Packer'. 'Of course' that includes Packer GM Ted Thompson and HC Mike McCarthy and the Green Bay Packer elected president of the executive committee Mark Murphy.

Just relax or try to contain yourself. Simply observe the TRUTH reveal itself. It would do this forum 'nor you little good' to try to 'headbang with me'.

[woodbuck27]

I agree, it would do quite a bit to turn fan attitudes around. It will take someone to play peacemaker and make the first calls (Campen? :lol: ), but it would be for the best.

Maybe Andrew Brandt could do it and he would have five more years of articles about the Packers and Favre to write.

Yea sure.The Good Old boy from the deep south seeths every day with such hatred and animosity over anything Green Bay Packer.

Not you too pbmax.

[woodbuck27]

I found my second person to add to the ignore list...


mission ....if your open minded 'you can' learn. You gain nothing by ignoring any part of this issue. All you demonstrate in that negative measure is your ignorance and all withstanding as a Packer fan. Especially that in terms of A Green Bay Packer great. Don't you really want to share the happiness with all of us that see 'for Brett Favre' as the Green Bay Packer QB even though he demonstrated his very humaness to us at times and therefore looked bad in so doing.

You might take the same position I proposed to Joemailman. It seems to me that you fellas need a tad more seasoning than some here before offering yourself up to broach this issue of arriving at the TRUTH.

Now here's a rather novel idea for you to consider mission. I invite you to join me. To take a unique approach towords enlightenment. To assist me in securing healing at Packerrats. To share in that ideal.

GO PACKERS !

[Smeefers]

I can't wait to pay scalpers price, just so I can go in and boo the shit out of the man along with half the stadium.

[woodbuck27]

An adaption of: Burning heart

Two worlds collide, rival camps
So unnecessary 'A primitive clash'.
Fans collide...seven years frustration
Hope against hope ... so much at stake.
Seems we duke it out. Honour against the ropes.
No clear answer...No knockout blow.
Does the crowd understand?
Like North Vs South; man against man
Can we be strong ... stand alone?

In the burning heart, just about to burst
There's a quest for answers, an unquenchable thirst.
In the darkest night, rising like a spire
In the burning heart, the unmistakable fire.

In the warrior's code, there's no surrender.
It's TRUTH alone ... the tallest member.
A body screems 'STOP'... 'a SPIRIT' cries never.
Deep in our soul ... 'a quiet ember'.
Tis NOT me ... rather 'you Vs you'. Negative constant render.

You I challenge.
Find TRUTH ... bring it together.
No puzzle so strong ... no difficult task.
The paradox drives on. OUR team needs us strong.
A battle of wills ... the heat of attack
A passion that kills... Vs. Victory.
It's OURS ... OUR own.

In the burning heart ... about to burst.
Lies a quest for answers ...unquenchable thirst.
In the darkest night, rising like a spire.
In the burning heart ... unmistakable fire.


GO PACKERS !

[MJZiggy]

Woodbuck, considering that he's just put you on his ignore list, he can't really read your response, now can he? Obviously the point went right over your head that the Packers have made a genius PR move here. They threw an olive branch out with this hint of a suggestion. If Favre does not agree to it, then yes, he winds up looking like a baby whether you like it or not. But by making the first move, the team looks like the ones with no hard feelings, wouldn't you say?

[Pugger]

Deputy Nutz. I respect your stance on this issue. You represent the hard line opposition to the Favre haters.

Gradually the rest of us have been reduced to aiming for a compromise or common sence just to get some PEACE on this forum.

a) Of course none of it can possibly do with how Brett Favre was as our teams offensive leader playing so distinguishedly.

b) How he did such a large part to restore the Packer Organization back to respectability.

Did anyone forget that...He's the only NFL player to win back to back to back NFL MVP's. Just that gets him into the NFL HOF as a first ballot candidate . How many achievements after that including the record of consecutive game starts 'all positions except kicker' get him the same honour?

It's just shameful for me to become aware of any Packer fan that would sincerely 'attempt in any way' to take that away from him. To do so and expect credibility as a Packer fan or a knowledgeable NFL fan? I've had to come to terms with that. Call upon every rational I have as a discriminating person to understand that. I always struggle with that one.

We'll likely NOT ever see another QB like Brett Favre. He was unique and wonderful. For so long the Icon of the NFL.

When it's all said and done can Packer fans forget:

c) That he was voted the 90's decade's Top QB on NFL.Com.

d) Deny that throughout two decades FAVRE was a TOP FIVE QB and dispute that and try to dispute that he was 'at least a TOP TEN QB' for consecutive decades?

e) Fault Bret Favre without answering the question. How many QB's in NFL history have been recognized by experts with that distinction in d) ?

One was Dan Marino. Brett Favre and Dan Marino. There's some fast company.

Brett Favre's number 4 'with the Packers', should be retired ASAP. Anything less than that is utter nonsence.

GO PACKERS !

I don't think Nutz is talking about Favre. He most likely is saying we aren't gonna win another SB with Rodgers and company.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, considering that he's just put you on his ignore list, he can't really read your response, now can he? Obviously the point went right over your head that the Packers have made a genius PR move here. They threw an olive branch out with this hint of a suggestion. If Favre does not agree to it, then yes, he winds up looking like a baby whether you like it or not. But by making the first move, the team looks like the ones with no hard feelings, wouldn't you say?

Your sadly and again using pettiness to try and gain points MJ.

Bring me proof of what you substantiate. Ohh and MJ instead of brewing trouble as your seems so aspired to do. 'Who ignores who' adds nothing in terms of TRUTH and the question we will resolve inspite of your hatefulness. Frankly MJZiggy 'WHO IGNORES WHO ' is none of your business. Bringing that up makes you look really bad 'member' and seperastes you completely from the ideal I aspire to here.

MJ You often hold a cup that too often dribbles water. Isn't it best you just take a rest on this one for a change.

MJ.....How many wrongs does it take to defeat RIGHT?

By the way in case your 'confused again'...I'm right.

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Pugger]

Woodbuck, considering that he's just put you on his ignore list, he can't really read your response, now can he? Obviously the point went right over your head that the Packers have made a genius PR move here. They threw an olive branch out with this hint of a suggestion. If Favre does not agree to it, then yes, he winds up looking like a baby whether you like it or not. But by making the first move, the team looks like the ones with no hard feelings, wouldn't you say?

Woodbuck is one of the minority of fans who still think Favre was somehow wronged in this situation. If that's how he feels nothing any of us say will change his mind.

[Pugger]

Your sadly and again using pettiness to try and gain points MJ.

Bring me proof of what you substantiate. Ohh and MJ instead of brewing trouble as your seems so aspired to do. 'Who ignores who' adds nothing in terms of TRUTH and the question we will resolve inspite of your hatefulness. Frankly MJZiggy 'WHO IGNORES WHO ' is none of your business. Bringing that up makes you look really bad 'member' and seperastes you completely from the ideal I aspire to here.

MJ You often hold a cup that too often dribbles water. Isn't it best you just take a rest on this one for a change.

MJ.....How many wrongs does it take to defeat RIGHT?

is it your platform or business to comment on that? NO!

keep the useless remarks to yourself and only add something constructive not you8r penchant for

To change the quote from Hamlet - the man doth protests too much - especially when it comes to Favre. Good lord, if some of us have no use for our previous QB why does that bother you so much??? You are still a fan. Bully for you. Don't preach to us if we feel differently.

The Packers offered an olive branch. Let's see how #4 responds.

[woodbuck27]

I don't think Nutz is talking about Favre. He most likely is saying we aren't gonna win another SB with Rodgers and company.

I'm 'of course NOT sure' but just maybe....Deputy Nutz is referring to the effects of positive Vs negative KARMA.... " bringing upon oneself inevitable results, good or bad ".

Maybe it's as I feel. That hatred and continued brewing of animosity for Brett Favre. Is pointless nonsence.

So tedious and not in any form constructive in terms of where our Packer fans need to be.

It's sad that more here don't see it this way.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck is one of the minority of fans who still think Favre was somehow wronged in this situation. If that's how he feels nothing any of us say will change his mind.

I believe there are many Packer fans like me that will stand up for Brett Favre. Not that I need such a support group as I'm capable of defending my positions.

This is all about TRUTH and the Packer side coming clean. All about more harmony and healing for Packer fans. About finally coming to grips with the deceit and manner in which Favre was deceived and manouevered.

Anyone who believes that the TT and MM side was all on the up and up is clearly and unmistakenly out to lunch. That aside I can assure y'all. Brett Favre has washed it all aside. He's over it and has moved on.

Brett Favre... sets himself aside from the pettiness of even Packer fans that post such clear nonsence on this forum. What is the main reason that we need to see the packer organization retire Favre's number. clearly it's so the organization can better ensure healing among Packer fans.

Re-Unite Packer Nation in terms of 'a resounding applause' for a TRUE Green Bay Packer 'GREAT'.

PACKERS !

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe you should stop telling people what they should be doing at Packerrats and worry about yourself Woody. Like making sure you keep all the Favre crap to one thread. I let your number retirement threrad have chance and it barely made it past the first page before turning into exactly why this thread is here.

Use better judgement next time and put Favre stuff in here. Stop trying to bully others or expect to be "correct".

[woodbuck27]

I can't wait to pay scalpers price, just so I can go in and boo the shit out of the man along with half the stadium.

No response needed to that.

[Tony Oday]

Favre will be rightly booed when they retire his jersey. He quit on the team by retiring and forcing a trade then going and ending his next three seasons with ints and hanging on too long.

Woody you show proof he holds no ill will. I know all the talking heads out there say he does.

[Tony Oday]

Is that post constructive?

Yes are any of your rambling incoherent post constructive or just long?

[woodbuck27]

Maybe you should stop telling people what they should be doing at Packerrats and worry about yourself Woody. Like making sure you keep all the Favre crap to one thread. I let your number retirement threrad have chance and it barely made it past the first page before turning into exactly why this thread is here.

Use better judgement next time and put Favre stuff in here. Stop trying to bully others or expect to be "correct".


I'm not expecting to be correct Mad. I'm not bullying anyone. As Packerrats owner my humble advice. let it all come out in the wash. Do I need to worry about a position here 'as member' if I post to gain the honor this forum deserves? Is the democratic process alive in Packerrats?

RE: This matter and it's own thread.

I began it with a caution that it might be better contained within this thread. I left that up to your judgement Mad.

It's such a contentious topic 'in fact' I totally agree with placing this question in this thrad. It's a HOT button. It's better to isolate it in an open forum thread where the debate over this question can be isolated from other discussion.

Have a lovely weekend Mad.

[MadtownPacker]

Is the democratic process alive in Pckwerrats?

It's a HOT button.
There is no such process here.

If you know it is a HOT button then that means you knew exactly what you where doing.

[woodbuck27]

Favre will be rightly booed when they retire his jersey. He quit on the team by retiring and forcing a trade then going and ending his next three seasons with ints and hanging on too long.

Woody you show proof he holds no ill will. I know all the talking heads out there say he does.

hi Tony:

I know how strong my hand is. I'm holding solid cards.

I'm not the one here that is contending with the Packers time and choice to retire Favre's number; nor it's merit in doing so. If anyone here imagines it's Brett Favre's place to ever broach the subject that's unrealistic.

It's up to the Green Bay Packer organization to get it 'simply' right, NOT Brett Favre.

I'm positive that Brett Favre will be deeply and emotionally pleased to learn officially that the GREEN BAY PACKERS want to retire his number 4.

[Tony Oday]

Your hand is rags and you know it. Fuck Favre and I would care less if AR took number 4 right now it would be fitting that 4 incher got replaced by a truly great QB.

[woodbuck27]

There is no such process here.

If you know it is a HOT button then that means you knew exactly what you where doing.

No Mad I contend that because it's an obvious HOT BUTTON Issue that maybe it was best that it be placed in this thread and you've done so.

Thanks.

It's your position as owner of Packerrats that no democratic process exists here !? Does it comes down to whichever group has the most influence in terms of membership strength Vs the TRUTH.

Is that correct Mad? I'm not putting you on the spot here man and you need not respond.

I'm merely trying to understand 'as you say'... how to survive at Packerrsts. If under 'your terms' that's prudent.

[MadtownPacker]

I took that Packerrats out of the bottom of the post.

Dont try to make it look like you are signing off on what Packerrats opinion is. Use your own name and discuss your own opinion not what you think others are suppose to be.

[woodbuck27]

Your hand is rags and you know it. Fuck Favre and I would care less if AR took number 4 right now it would be fitting that 4 incher got replaced by a truly great QB.

WOW ! Nothing anyone could do with that attitude.

A sincere...'Good Luck' with that man. You'll need it.

[woodbuck27]

I took that Packerrats out of the bottom of the post.

Dont try to make it look like you are signing off on what Packerrats opinion is. Use your own name and discuss your own opinion not what you think others are suppose to be.

Understood.

[Tony Oday]

Thats right, when you are in checkmate you cant do shit.

[woodbuck27]

Thats right, when you are in checkmate you cant do shit.

LOL x 10 be patient Tony. My hand is solid. It's my contention that I don't have to keep up with your side. (-:

I believe that sooner that you may imagine the Packers organization will support the healing. I really don't give 'a Jackshit' what you haters feel.

Hate away.

GO PACKERS !

[Tony Oday]

Why dont you cheer for the Vikings or Jets or some other team 4-inch disgraced. The Packers Organization already is in the lead as far as PR except from the fringe brain damaged like you...

[ThunderDan]

It's time you get it to the TRUTH and not to something you continue to corrupt this forum with in terms of the legacy that Brett Favre deserves.

Well Woodbuck let's get to the TRUTH then. I will start with a list of statements and we will decide if they are true or false. Maybe that way we can have some ground rules to argue by.

True or False (My answers in brackets):
1. BF was the starting QB for the Packers for the 2007 NFC Championship game. (True)
2. BF retired from the NFL. (True)
3. The Packers stated that ARod was their starting QB for the 2008 season. (True)
4. BF called the Packers and said he wanted to unretire. (True)
5. MM and TT were ready to fly to MS to meet with BF regarding his position with the Packers. (True)
6. BF called TT and said he was going to stay retired. (True)
7. BF calls the Packers and says he wants to play. (True)
8. MM tells BF that he has to compete for the starting QB position. (True)

Let's start with that and see what we come up with.

[hoosier]

I predict it will be a loooong time before the Packers retire #4, not because management hates Favre but because Favre's animosity toward TT would not allow him to participate in any retirement ceremony. What would it take to bring Favre back to Lambeau as a Packer whose number is being retired? TT, MM and Murphy would have to crash and burn first, and get replaced by a new adminstration that has no connection to the current one. Not gonna happen for a long time.


Isn't it time we finally clean the rumours and lies up at Packerrats RE: Brett Favre? Do so with some sence of humility and decent respect for one another here?

To establish the TRUTH as it exists today. To allow this Packer Forum Home to heal as it justly deserves instead of wallowing in needless animosity over a Packer GREAT.

My advice....THINK. Do you need to take on the challenge that I propose below?

hoosier you have every opportunity to back up your claims in the above. Until you do your post means 'Jackshit'. I don't believe you can supply positive proof to support that Favre continues feeing animosity over anything TT and / or MM or Murphy.

Please offer this forum ** your proof or humble yourself and stop posting nonsence.

This isn't about debate of animosty among members here. This isn't about attacking 'the poster'. This is about backing yourself up in terms of your post. This is 'about healing at Packerrats' and that's bigger than any member here.

** I do not believe you can do so in terms of the post above. Back yourself up or pleae recognize that your attitude isn't healthy for you in terms of the legacy that Brett Favre so richly deserves.

Thanks for your time. Have a Super weekend. We are enjoying a long weekend here in Canada.

GO PACKERS !

Woody, did you notice that I began my post with the words "I predict"? You ramble on about "supplying positive proof" when we are discussing what is in someone's soul. Sorry, postiive proof doesn't go there. But I do have a pretty solid basis for my speculations, beginning with the retirement fiasco, continuing with the Gretchen interview, the offer to share game book knowledge with the Lions, going to the Vikings because he wanted to stick it to TT. How much more do you need before you conclude that Bert was on a vendetta until the wheels fell off?

[pbmax]

On second thought, getting draft picks signed so quickly and limiting OTAs has cut down on 365 day-a-year Packer news. Formerly, the only dead period was June.

I knew I didn't like the last CBA.

[Deputy Nutz]

Smeefers, Tony Oday, Thunderdan, you are all very big losers. You don't play the game, you sit on your ass every Sunday with your foam fingers and your smedium Rodgers' jerseys on, hoping like hell you don't have to kick your dog when the team loses. You did the same thing when Favre was the QB and you will do the same thing another decade from now when Rodgers is retired, and I am sure you will all find a reason to hate him as well.

Carry on arguing with Woodbuck, refuse to let him get the last word in and enjoy your summer arguing with him.

carry on, losers.

[woodbuck27]

I think Favre needs to make his peace with Ted Thompson while Thompson is still with the Packers. If he waits until Thompson is gone and then says "Hey everybody, I'm back!", he'll get a lot of one finger salutes. Most of the fans will come around if Favre and Thomson heal the rift, but the decision is Favre's. He has to bury the hatchet.

"I think Favre needs to make his peace with Ted Thompson" Joemailman

TRUE or FALSE

Brett Favre has clearly stated that it was his feeling that if there were bad feelings in 2008 when his time as a Packer was over that all bad feelings between himself and Ted Thompson were over or resolved. There were no longer any bad feelings that they both had moved on.

[ThunderDan]

Smeefers, Tony Oday, Thunderdan, you are all very big losers. You don't play the game, you sit on your ass every Sunday with your foam fingers and your smedium Rodgers' jerseys on, hoping like hell you don't have to kick your dog when the team loses. You did the same thing when Favre was the QB and you will do the same thing another decade from now when Rodgers is retired, and I am sure you will all find a reason to hate him as well.

Carry on arguing with Woodbuck, refuse to let him get the last word in and enjoy your summer arguing with him.

carry on, losers.

Owwww...poor Nutz. He feels slighted that his hero is being attacked.

The reality is,as I have stated all over this website. I loved BF being our QB. He is a first ballot HOFer. His off-field 2008 position and post-Packer behavior is what pisses me off. And the mis-remembering of what really happened by BF "fans".

BF played like shit in the NFC Championship game against the Giants. That is the truth. He looked like he didn't want to be there. Woodbuck talks about BF being a wet fish that game. Then remarkably 4 years later BF was in the game the whole way. I will call BS on that anytime I want. No need to embelish what BF did or didn't do.

If the Packers trade Rodgers away during his career in the NFL and Rodgers turns around and pisses all over the Packers I will "hate" that also. If the Packers trade/release ARod and he responses like Kampman or Al Harris I will continue my "love" for ARod.

Yes on Sundays I sit on my couch or at Lambeau and watch the Packer games. Just like you do and everyone else on this website.

Sorry I don't have an ARod jersey. In fact I don't own any jerseys. I own Packer gear becasue players come and go in this era of the NFL. I was hoping to buy a Finley jersey if we got a long-term contract done but we didn't. The team is more important than the players eventhough the players win the games for the team.

[ThunderDan]

TRUE or FALSE

Brett Favre has clearly stated that it was his feeling that if there were bad feelings in 2008 when his time as a Packer was over that all bad feelings between himself and Ted Thompson were over or resolved. There were no longer any bad feelings that they both had moved on.

At what time did BF say this and do you have a source? I need to know at least the timing before I can answer the question.

[Deputy Nutz]

Owwww...poor Nutz. He feels slighted that his hero is being attacked.

The reality is,as I have stated all over this website. I loved BF being our QB. He is a first ballot HOFer. His off-field 2008 position and post-Packer behavior is what pisses me off. And the mis-remembering of what really happened by BF "fans".

BF played like shit in the NFC Championship game against the Giants. That is the truth. He looked like he didn't want to be there. Woodbuck talks about BF being a wet fish that game. Then remarkably 4 years later BF was in the game the whole way. I will call BS on that anytime I want. No need to embelish what BF did or didn't do.

If the Packers trade Rodgers away during his career in the NFL and Rodgers turns around and pisses all over the Packers I will "hate" that also. If the Packers trade/release ARod and he responses like Kampman or Al Harris I will continue my "love" for ARod.

Yes on Sundays I sit on my couch or at Lambeau and watch the Packer games. Just like you do and everyone else on this website.

Sorry I don't have an ARod jersey. In fact I don't own any jerseys. I own Packer gear becasue players come and go in this era of the NFL. I was hoping to buy a Finley jersey if we got a long-term contract done but we didn't. The team is more important than the players eventhough the players win the games for the team.

Rodgers played like shit against the Giants in the past post season. The team played like shit, same goes for the NFC Championship game, but nobody talks about the shitty run game, nobody talks about the shitty defense that night, they talk about Favre. That game should have been over in the 4th quarter but the Giants kicker kept missing field goals.

Favre didn't play well, he knew he didn't play well and that game messed him up emotionally, in fact the whole season messed him. He went through a lot, and then after the season the Packers wanted an answer from him about retirement. I think he thought he was done, you don't give a press conference like that if you don't think you are going to retire.

I think specifically the Packers wanted Favre to retire and ride off into the sunset. They were finished with him on the field but they didn't want to deal with the fan backlash and lets be honest Favre had the right to call his shot, he just called it 3 seasons too early.

It was a mess, I have my feelings, but it is over. I am happy to leave it like that, I don't hold a grudge, it is funny that Packer fan still does.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm available to hold your jacket if there is going to be a beat down.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am a tough guy. Tough guys don't wear jackets, just really bad ass Affliction T-shirts.

[woodbuck27]

Maybe you should stop telling people what they should be doing at Packerrats and worry about yourself Woody. Like making sure you keep all the Favre crap to one thread. I let your number retirement threrad have chance and it barely made it past the first page before turning into exactly why this thread is here.

Use better judgement next time and put Favre stuff in here. Stop trying to bully others or expect to be "correct".

On this issue of Favre and not getting over anything 2008. He was upset with the Packer organizations intent for him th retire from the game. Favre just came off a monster season in 2007. His team was 13-3 and 7-1 at Lambeau Field. He 'only' needed to know as he always did. In terms of was he needed in Green Bay as the starting QB.

Members here believe that TT and MM were entirely on the up and up with Favre and his future as the starting QB. I believe those members are deluded. Both sides made errors and so far all the criticism has been against Brett Favre.

Ted Thompson and MM remain mum in terms of not admitting when it was their decision to turn the starting QB reins over to Aaron Rodgers.There was absolutely nothing wrong with that decision. Clearly it was time for Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy to see Aaron Rodgers as our starting QB before Ted Thompson had to deal with the threat of losing Aaron Rodgers in Free Agency.

The deceit is in Ted Thompsons intent to not ever have to contend with Brett Favre as an opposing teams QB. There is where some members here lose touch with real or reality.

Brett Favre is a Pro. Brett Favre just came off a fantastic season in 2007. It was one of the finest seasons in his second decade as our starting QB. He was getting better with age it seemed. BF demonstrated he had plenty to give. For all the time and loyalty BF gave the Packers;

It wasn't Ted Thompson's place to try and control Brett Favre's life; decisions ' in anything ' football.

Ted Thompson traded Favre to the NY Jets for a draft pick. That decision made TT incumbant to suffer anything Vs the Packers in the future and Brett Favre the NFL QB.

After Favre left the NY Jets. and PLEASE.... The Jets didn't dump Favre as many of you have decided to believe.

The Minnesota Vikings came calling on Brett Favre to fill their need at the starting QB spot. He simply agreed and was doing what he always did. Exercise his human rights to enjoy playing football and geting paid very well for that. Tghe fact it was with 'the arch rivals ...the Minnesota Vikings and took his former team down isn't anything but what it was.

All of the above is true.

Brett Favre is a Pro QB and it's entirely his right to play his position whenever/wherever. The fact that he easily led the Vikings over the Packers in the 2009 season is just another chapter in Favre the Legend. The player shunned comes back to smash the team that shuned him. It comes with the territory in Pro Sports. It's not unusual.

Do 'YOU' (any member here) have a grasp of what Pro Sports is all about in terms of the question of 'LOYALTY'?

Why havn't y'all just handled the Brett Favre post NFC championship game Vs the NY GIANTS @ PACKERS Jan. 20. 2008 with 'a laugh to a shoulder shrug' !? why get so bent out of shape over an obvious Packer great? Has the decision to be that way..wise> I really no longer give a damn Packerrats.

I love my position. I've always taken 'the HIGH road'. (-:


GO PACKERS !

[Tony Oday]

On this issue of Favre and not getting over anything 2008. He was upset with the Packer organizations intent for him th retire from the game. Favre just came off a monster season in 2007. His team was 13-3 and 7-1 at Lambeau Field. He 'only' needed to know as he always did. In terms of was he needed in Green Bay as the starting QB.

Members here believe that TT and MM were entirely on the up and up with Favre and his future as the starting QB. I believe those members are deluded. Both sides made errors and so far all the criticism has been against Brett Favre.

Ted Thompson and MM remain mum in terms of not admitting when it was their decision to turn the starting QB reins over to Aaron Rodgers.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with that decision. Clearly it was time for Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy to see Aaron Rodgers as our starting QB before he had to deal with the threat of losing Aaron Rodgers in free Agency.

The deceit is in Ted Thompsons intent to not ever have to contend with Brett Favre as an opposing teams QB.

Brett Favre is a Pro. Brett Favre just came off a fantastic season in 2007. BF demonstrated he had plenty to give some team. For all the time and loyalty BF gave the Packers it wasn't Ted Thompson's place to try and control Brett Favre's life; decisions in anything football.

Ted Thompson traded Favre tothe NY Jets for a draft pick. That decision made TT incumbant to suffer anything Vs the Packers in the future.

Wisely after Favre left the NY Jets. The Jets didn't dump Favre as many of you have decided to believe. The Minnesota Vikings came calling on Brett Favre to fill their need at the starting QB spot.

All of the above is true.

Brett Favre is a Pro QB and it's entirely his right to play his position whenever/wherever. The fact that he easily led the Vikings over the Packers in the 2009 season is just another chapter in Favre the Legend. The player shunned comes back to smash the team that shuned him. It comes with the territory in Pro Sports. It's not unusual.

Do 'YOU' (any member here) have a grasp of what Pro Sports is all about in terms of the question of 'LOYALTY'?

Why havn't y'aa just handled the Brett Favre post NFC championship game Vs the NY GIANTS @ PACKERS Jan. 20. 2008 with 'a laugh to a shoulder shrug'!? Why so intent on condemning a great Green bay Packer/ is it about him or about condemning woodbuck27/

I assure you of this. I can always back myself up. I believe I can back Brett Favre's position up as well. I'm not at all assured anymore if that's advisable....or necessary. I'm a Packerrat.

GO PACKERS !

You missed the tiny little fact that he RETIRED and unretired, retired unretired and held a franchise hostage! Did you forget that? In you brain tumor induced tirades on this site did you ever see that he did that or is it revisionist history here? F you could get a staff job with Obama.

[Deputy Nutz]

So let me get this right, he retired from the packers, then unretired from the packers, then retired again, and then unretired again from the packers? Can you please support your statement with dates, because you are wrong. he officially retired from the Packers in late winter of 2008, then came out of retirement when he was traded to the Jets, but if you have more proof of more retirements please feel free to share them.

[Tony Oday]

I am wrong he didnt actually retire every time. He did hold the Pack hostage for the last three years of his career here with Favre watch.

[Deputy Nutz]

Call it whatever you will, I remember Packer fans being pretty excited when Favre came back every season, I remember his teammates being excited when he came back for another season. when he came back for 2007 he didn't leave much of a gap, he made the decision pretty early. I might be wrong about that but I thought it was long before the draft.

[woodbuck27]

You missed the tiny little fact that he RETIRED and unretired, retired unretired and held a franchise hostage! Did you forget that? In you brain tumor induced tirades on this site did you ever see that he did that or is it revisionist history here? F you could get a staff job with Obama.

"In you brain tumor induced tirades on this site did you ever see that he did that or is it revisionist history here? F you could get a staff job with Obama." Tony Oday

The above extablishes your credibility as a member here that has a clue regarding 'the TRUTH'!?

Nope. You failed yourself miserably in the above false judgements and in terms of your conduct and manners.

Your out to lunch Tony Oday. You beat yourself. The weird thing here is that 'the usual suspects' will applaud you.

[Tony Oday]

Will he retire, wont he retire, will he retire, wont he retire...Will he text wont he text will he text wont he text? Will he throw a pick that is always a yes.

[woodbuck27]

I am wrong he didnt actually retire every time. He did hold the Pack hostage for the last three years of his career here with Favre watch.

Bullshit !

Favre always said the same thing at the end of his last few seasons as a Packer. Re: returning.

As the season ended he said he wasn't sure he would be back but felt he could still contribute.. That he would have to see if 'in fact' the Packer organization wanted him back.

[woodbuck27]

Will he retire, wont he retire, will he retire, wont he retire...Will he text wont he text will he text wont he text? Will he throw a pick that is always a yes.
WOW! I get it.

Your an angry man. Lie down. Take a break.

[Tony Oday]

Your right Favre always said he would come back right away ESPN was just looking for ratings and faked it all.

[Tony Oday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POyFvDgV2cU

[MadtownPacker]

Tony, there was no issue until you made it personal. I'm gonna to shut you down for the day until you cool off. You will be active again tomorrow.

[woodbuck27]

Well Woodbuck let's get to the TRUTH then. I will start with a list of statements and we will decide if they are true or false. Maybe that way we can have some ground rules to argue by.

True or False (My answers in brackets):
1. BF was the starting QB for the Packers for the 2007 NFC Championship game. (True)
2. BF retired from the NFL. (True)
3. The Packers stated that ARod was their starting QB for the 2008 season. (True)
4. BF called the Packers and said he wanted to unretire. (True)
5. MM and TT were ready to fly to MS to meet with BF regarding his position with the Packers. (True)
6. BF called TT and said he was going to stay retired. (True)
7. BF calls the Packers and says he wants to play. (True)
8. MM tells BF that he has to compete for the starting QB position. (True)

Let's start with that and see what we come up with.

This true and fase post though I appreciate the effort put forth in it is moot and off topic.

ThunderDan...Focus please on the status of Brett Favre Vs TT and MM... 'in terms of continued bad feeling' or NOT.

I assure you. To go on trying to establish that Favre has such bad feelings is a losing position ThunderDan. I'll advise you further.

Maybe? consider this Thunderdan.

It's not self gratifying when I certainly know I can back myself up. It might just be easier for you to save face by standing down. Your position 'will lose' for you.

I've been a teacher most of my life. A good teacher ensures that the student puts in the necessary effort towords arriving at the correct answer / response / TRUTH. The window of time to arrive at that TRUTH is from AQugust 2008 untill well today. fill your boots.

Find the TRUTH and don't expect me to spoon feed you that TRUTH. Are you familiar at all with martial arts? My way and methods are much derived from that.

I won't give to you what I worked so hard to find.

[MadtownPacker]

Let's make sure to keep our argument about the topic and not make it personal.

[woodbuck27]

Let's make sure to keep our argument about the topic and not make it personal.

Correct Mad.

It serves no logical purpose not to simply question the post whenever another member feels that's relevant. Ignorance may warrant a return post that only demonstrates a mutual disrespect and results in a 'no win' situation. A sad outcome. We deserve more from one another as members here.

To attack the poster with 'flaming language and accusations that cannot be justified': with poor manners.

Is certainly unacceptable.

[MadtownPacker]

Correct Mad.

It serves no logical purpose not to simply question the post whenever another member feels that's relevant. Ignorance may warrant a return post that only demonstrates a mutual disrespect and results in a 'no win' situation. A sad outcome. We deserve more from one another as members here.

To attack the poster with 'flaming language and accusations that cannot be justified': with poor manners.

Is certainly unacceptable.
Youre right its not acceptable so before you declare yourself a moral authority think about when you start jumping down on someones throat for having any opinion that differs from yours.

[woodbuck27]

To change the quote from Hamlet - the man doth protests too much - especially when it comes to Favre. Good lord, if some of us have no use for our previous QB why does that bother you so much??? You are still a fan. Bully for you. Don't preach to us if we feel differently.

The Packers offered an olive branch. Let's see how #4 responds.

Did the Packers offer 'an olive branch'? Has that offer been made concretely?

I do not see it that way Pugger.

[ThunderDan]

It wasn't Ted Thompson's place to try and control Brett Favre's life; decisions ' in anything ' football.



Sorry, woodbuck but that highlighted statement is a complete and utter bold faced lie!

As the GM of the GB Packers, TT's job was to "control" all of the players under contract with the GB Packers.

If TT would have released BF with no compensation I would have been on board with demanding TT's resignation.

The job of the GM is to make their team as competitive as possible in the NFL and releasing players for no compensation and letting them go to a divisional foe is complete mismanagement by a GM.

[ThunderDan]

After Favre left the NY Jets. and PLEASE.... The Jets didn't dump Favre as many of you have decided to believe.


Now let's see the real TRUTH that woodbuck claims.

BF retired from the Jets. He then told Mike Tannenbaum that he wanted his release from the Jets assuring the GM that he was done playing in the NFL. Tannenbaum said NO. Then Bus Cook got into the act again saying BF wasn't going to play again and wanted his release from the Jets. This time Mike Tannenbaum did.

After BF got his release he started talking with the Vikings saying he wanted to stick it to TT and Packers.

[Deputy Nutz]

Sorry, woodbuck but that highlighted statement is a complete and utter bold faced lie!

As the GM of the GB Packers, TT's job was to "control" all of the players under contract with the GB Packers.

If TT would have released BF with no compensation I would have been on board with demanding TT's resignation.

The job of the GM is to make their team as competitive as possible in the NFL and releasing players for no compensation and letting them go to a divisional foe is complete mismanagement by a GM.


I think if Favre wanted to play, then it was Thompson's responsibility to open up the facility and locker room to Favre, or cut him, but not sit on him and hope he would go away. I never heard McCarthy say that he was opening up competition between Favre and Rodgers. The only thing I heard was that Rodgers was open to competition with Favre, and that when Favre was asked by the media Favre stated that he didn't believe a competition existed, that he had already earned the starting position, which was true. Packer fan wouldn't have stood for Rodgers starting over Favre in the 2008 season. Especially the way the season turned out.

Thompson in fact told Favre that he was going to be traded to the Bucs, then turned around and traded him to the Jets because he didn't want Favre to play against the Packers.

[woodbuck27]

Youre right its not acceptable so before you declare yourself a moral authority think about when you start jumping down on someones throat for having any opinion that differs from yours.

If I jumped down every members throat here for having a position or opinion different from mine. I would be one angry ass'd man Mad. I do not get that way as I know I'm generally right. My positions...solid. If you imagine that gives me certain satisfaction ... your wrong.

I'm actually incredulous to the ignorance of some here. That's what makes the earth spin.

Inspite of that I post by far with manners with decency even if I can't agree with some here.

Considered 'my manners' in an objective sense Mad:

I'm a true gentleman here and by far overall a solid support for you and Packerrats. I know there's alot of heat on you 'to piss all over me'. I understand the heat on you by members here that I can 'only try my very best' to respect.

We both have a true test.

I can meet mine. (-:

[Deputy Nutz]

Now let's see the real TRUTH that woodbuck claims.

BF retired from the Jets. He then told Mike Tannenbaum that he wanted his release from the Jets assuring the GM that he was done playing in the NFL. Tannenbaum said NO. Then Bus Cook got into the act again saying BF wasn't going to play again and wanted his release from the Jets. This time Mike Tannenbaum did.

After BF got his release he started talking with the Vikings saying he wanted to stick it to TT and Packers.

Actually they needed the cap space, and had to cut him before the draft. If Favre was going to play he would have gotten to Minnesota a little bit earlier than the 3rd preseason game. The Jets would have been fools to hold on to Favre's contract, he was old and hurt, and couldn't play unless he had surgery on his bicep. You are telling me that you were gonna pay Favre 15 million dollars after he fell apart at the end of the season and damaged his throwing arm in the process?

Don't act like Bus Cook came out of no where, he was Favre's agent, of course he is going to act in his clients best interest.

[woodbuck27]

Sorry, woodbuck but that highlighted statement is a complete and utter bold faced lie!

As the GM of the GB Packers, TT's job was to "control" all of the players under contract with the GB Packers.

If TT would have released BF with no compensation I would have been on board with demanding TT's resignation.

The job of the GM is to make their team as competitive as possible in the NFL and releasing players for no compensation and letting them go to a divisional foe is complete mismanagement by a GM.

I do not stress that it wasn't TT's job to control Brett Favre RE: any possibility of Favre going to a divisional rival. I stress that I meant that in strictly this sense:

TT could NOT ethically or reasonably control Brett Favre's love of the game of football and whether or not he could play elsewhere....retire or not...retire and unretire.

[ThunderDan]

I do not stress that it wasn't TT's job to control Brett Favre RE: any possibility of Favre going to a divisional rival. I stress that I meant that in strictly this sense:

TT could NOT ethically or reasonably control Brett Favre's love of the game of football and whether or not he could play elsewhere....retire or not...retire and unretire.

Yes he could, it's called a 10 year $100,000,000 contract thru 2010. TT got to decide exactly where BF played. If BF wanted to retire that was his personal choice. If he didn't want to retire it was TT choice until he released BF from the contract or traded BF to another team.

[woodbuck27]

Yes he could, it's called a 10 year $100,000,000 contract thru 2010. TT got to decide exactly where BF played. If BF wanted to retire that was his personal choice. If he didn't want to retire it was TT choice until he released BF from the contract or traded BF to another team.

TT made a $20 million$ offer (might ne considered a bribe?) to retire a Green Bay Packer. By doing that he was doing all he could to ensure that Favre never played again and that he would never have to contend with Brett Favre the opponent.

[Deputy Nutz]

TT didn't make that offer, Murphy did.

[woodbuck27]

Actually they needed the cap space, and had to cut him before the draft. If Favre was going to play he would have gotten to Minnesota a little bit earlier than the 3rd preseason game. The Jets would have been fools to hold on to Favre's contract, he was old and hurt, and couldn't play unless he had surgery on his bicep. You are telling me that you were gonna pay Favre 15 million dollars after he fell apart at the end of the season and damaged his throwing arm in the process?

Don't act like Bus Cook came out of no where, he was Favre's agent, of course he is going to act in his clients best interest.


The TRUTH of Favre Vs Ted Thompson and or Mike McCarthy is with the Brett Favre and NY Jets history. I refer to 'football related' history.

What happened RE: Brett Favre immediately after the final game of the 2008 season? It's right there ThunderDan.

After that season Brett Favre informed the NY Jets 'clearly'... to not consider that he would be their QB in the 2009 season. That it would be prudent to consider another QB for their starting position in the 2009 season.

We might speculate why Brett Favre took that position but rather than that... let's look at that facts;

Yes RE: Deputy Nutz's post.

As you may recall the New York Jets 'collapsed in the 2008 season's end'... going 1-5 down the stretch to lose the final game and miss what lookd like a sure playoff position after 10-11 games and following a 4-12 finish in 2007. This collapse was puzzling as Brett Favre was on FIRE in that seasons first ten games. For about a month that season Brett Favre looked like the best QB in the NFL. Then the floor collapsed.

It was revealed at seasons end 'in fact ... as was suspected', that Brett Favre was injured. inspite of that injury he was penciled in as the Jets starting QB and all to no avail. The New York Jets, collapse. For that the Jets HC was fined by the NFL HO.

Maybe alot of that may have contributed to Brett Favre and his solemn advice to the New York Jets for which he was appreciative of the opportunity to lead. It was clear that Brett Favre by his own volition was finished as a New York Jet. He was disappointed and hurting physically.

Can you NOT imagine he might have felt his career was finally at an end?

[woodbuck27]

TT didn't make that offer, Murphy did.

OK.

[MadtownPacker]

If I jumped down every members throat here for having a position or opinion different from mine. I would be one angry ass'd man Mad. I do not get that way as I know I'm generally right. My positions...solid. If you imagine that gives me certain satisfaction ... your wrong.

I'm actually incredulous to the ignorance of some here. That's what makes the earth spin.

Inspite of that I post by far with manners with decency even if I can't agree with some here.

Considered 'my manners' in an objective sense Mad:

I'm a true gentleman here and by far overall a solid support for you and Packerrats. I know there's alot of heat on you 'to piss all over me'. I understand the heat on you by members here that I can 'only try my very best' to respect.

We both have a true test.

I can meet mine. (-:I dont recall asking your opinion. So stick to the topic even if arguing about some shit from 3 years ago is a waste of time (my opinion only). Just dont forget that you ONLY speak for yourself, not PackerRats or any other poster here.

[Pugger]

Did the Packers offer 'an olive branch'? Has that offer been made concretely?

I do not see it that way Pugger.

I guess I thought this was an olive branch of sorts.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8292e2aa/article/packers-thinking-about-retiring-brett-favres-number-

[Pugger]

This true and fase post though I appreciate the effort put forth in it is moot and off topic.

ThunderDan...Focus please on the status of Brett Favre Vs TT and MM... 'in terms of continued bad feeling' or NOT.

I assure you. To go on trying to establish that Favre has such bad feelings is a losing position ThunderDan. I'll advise you further.

Maybe? consider this Thunderdan.

It's not self gratifying when I certainly know I can back myself up. It might just be easier for you to save face by standing down. Your position 'will lose' for you.

I've been a teacher most of my life. A good teacher ensures that the student puts in the necessary effort towords arriving at the correct answer / response / TRUTH. The window of time to arrive at that TRUTH is from AQugust 2008 untill well today. fill your boots.

Find the TRUTH and don't expect me to spoon feed you that TRUTH. Are you familiar at all with martial arts? My way and methods are much derived from that.

I won't give to you what I worked so hard to find.

I doubt we'll ever know the complete truth until someone writes a tell all book. I hope someone does!

[Pugger]

Sorry, woodbuck but that highlighted statement is a complete and utter bold faced lie!

As the GM of the GB Packers, TT's job was to "control" all of the players under contract with the GB Packers.

If TT would have released BF with no compensation I would have been on board with demanding TT's resignation.

The job of the GM is to make their team as competitive as possible in the NFL and releasing players for no compensation and letting them go to a divisional foe is complete mismanagement by a GM.


I agree. It would have been a stupid business decision to just let an asset - Favre - go for nothing. It would have been a nice gesture but only loser franchises do that. Remember when Miami let Pendington go and he signed with the Jets? All Chad did was come back to haunt the Dolphins by coming back to south Florida in the playoffs and knocking them out of the playoffs. Last I heard Miami is still searching for a QB. ;-)

[Smeefers]

I am a tough guy. Tough guys don't wear jackets, just really bad ass Affliction T-shirts.

Repped.

[Deputy Nutz]

I doubt we'll ever know the complete truth until someone writes a tell all book. I hope someone does!

I think Favre has said as much as he is going to say. He gave a pretty detailed interview with Mens' Health a while back during the summer of 2010, before all the sexting stuff happened. He didn't throw anyone under the bus or anything. Detailed some of the process when he came back to Green Bay in the summer of 2008. Favre has lost the battle for Green Bay Packer fans. Take a poll around here and I think that will prove my point. Someone already said that he would boo during the retirement of his jersey presentation. Nothing Favre says is going to alter the perspective of Packer Fan.

Thompson is never going to say anything. The only one that I could see really getting into it would be McCarthy when he is done as coach.

[Smeefers]

I think Favre has said as much as he is going to say. He gave a pretty detailed interview with Mens' Health a while back during the summer of 2010, before all the sexting stuff happened. He didn't throw anyone under the bus or anything. Detailed some of the process when he came back to Green Bay in the summer of 2008. Favre has lost the battle for Green Bay Packer fans. Take a poll around here and I think that will prove my point. Someone already said that he would boo during the retirement of his jersey presentation. Nothing Favre says is going to alter the perspective of Packer Fan.

Thompson is never going to say anything. The only one that I could see really getting into it would be McCarthy when he is done as coach.

No, there's a ton he could do to change my mind about him. He could say he was sorry about how everything turned out instead of saying that if you're a "real" packer fan, you'd support him. He could do an interview and actually praise the packers organization. I'll admit he's done that once, maybe twice since he's retired, but they're always one liners and most of the time whenever he's back in the news, it's about him sticking it to the pack - giving the lions hints, Saying he was surprised Rodgers hadn't won a Super Bowl earlier, although I'm not sure if that's a complement, I suppose you could take that one either way. One thing that he did that mended a bit of the fence for me was when he was chatting with the Army Reservists when they were training in Missouri before they deployed. That's frickin awesome. As of now though, in my opinion he hasn't done enough. I think time and a couple well placed comments will turn me around. I also think that there's some fans out there that will really hate him until the end, but there's nothing you can do about that. He played for the vikings just to get us and he beat the shit out of us when he played us. That's the thing rivalries are made of.

It's just like Holgrem. I hated him when he left after we lost the big game for Seattle. I found a way to blame everything on him and I just sort of stewed in it for years. Then I started seeing those NFL Films "behind the games" kind of shows and they had a few about the Pack. Specifically the super bowl in 96, I listened to MH talk about how awesome the whole team was. He talked about Brett like he was his son and he talked about Reggie like he was the best DE he'd ever seen. He talked about how great the fans were in Green Bay and what a great town it was and under so much praise, I had a hard time remembering why I was so mad at him. Yeah, you can go on about the things he did wrong - and there was a ton of things he did wrong on his way out - but he fixed it with those few interviews.

[Zool]

Are we still going over this fucking thing? It's amazing how there can be experts on something with they are only fed information from the media.

The first person here who can claim they were working in the Packers front office during the time can say what they think is fact. Everyone else is arguing conjecture, here say, and down right idiocy.

Let this shit be in the past where it belongs.

[Smeefers]

Are we still going over this fucking thing? It's amazing how there can be experts on something with they are only fed information from the media.

The first person here who can claim they were working in the Packers front office during the time can say what they think is fact. Everyone else is arguing conjecture, here say, and down right idiocy.

Let this shit be in the past where it belongs.

But... but... it's so much fun!
:drma:
:cat: :beat: :cat:

[Deputy Nutz]

No, there's a ton he could do to change my mind about him. He could say he was sorry about how everything turned out instead of saying that if you're a "real" packer fan, you'd support him. He could do an interview and actually praise the packers organization. I'll admit he's done that once, maybe twice since he's retired, but they're always one liners and most of the time whenever he's back in the news, it's about him sticking it to the pack - giving the lions hints, Saying he was surprised Rodgers hadn't won a Super Bowl earlier, although I'm not sure if that's a complement, I suppose you could take that one either way. One thing that he did that mended a bit of the fence for me was when he was chatting with the Army Reservists when they were training in Missouri before they deployed. That's frickin awesome. As of now though, in my opinion he hasn't done enough. I think time and a couple well placed comments will turn me around. I also think that there's some fans out there that will really hate him until the end, but there's nothing you can do about that. He played for the vikings just to get us and he beat the shit out of us when he played us. That's the thing rivalries are made of.

It's just like Holgrem. I hated him when he left after we lost the big game for Seattle. I found a way to blame everything on him and I just sort of stewed in it for years. Then I started seeing those NFL Films "behind the games" kind of shows and they had a few about the Pack. Specifically the super bowl in 96, I listened to MH talk about how awesome the whole team was. He talked about Brett like he was his son and he talked about Reggie like he was the best DE he'd ever seen. He talked about how great the fans were in Green Bay and what a great town it was and under so much praise, I had a hard time remembering why I was so mad at him. Yeah, you can go on about the things he did wrong - and there was a ton of things he did wrong on his way out - but he fixed it with those few interviews.

So he has to apologize, and beg for your acceptance, and praise the Packers for how awesome they are. Forget about all the games he won and all the excitement he brought to the fans when he actually played for the Packers, none of that actually counts for anything anymore.
Take a step back and recognize that this is only professional football. This isn't your career or your family, you are a fan and take it for what it is. Entertainment for 3 hours on a Sunday afternoon.

[Bossman641]

I can't believe people still think that Favre has some giant secret on how the Packers screwed him but that he is only keeping it to himself.

Yes, the guy who went on Greta and was going to set the story straight and tell all about how he had been wronged. What were his complaints? That he couldn't play GM. That TT wouldn't sign Moss or bring in Mooch as coach. Boo fucking hoo.

The guy who had his family members speaking to the press for him. The guy who called the Lions out of nowhere to provide them with info about the Packers in hopes the Packers would lose. The same guy who told Urlacher "good luck and now go beat the Packers." The same guy whose family booked a block of 30 hotel rooms in April 2009 for the Packers-Vikings game that coming November, while he was still a member of the Jets.

Yes, I'm sure Favre has all kinds of dirt on MM and TT. He must just be too classy to make it public

[sharpe1027]

He doesn't have to apologize. He's a grown man and can do what he wants...but it would help.

I appreciated, and still appreciate, the time he put in to help the Packers. I did not appreciate his time put in to try to stick it to the Packers. Different people weigh those two things differently and come to their own personal opinions. No opinion is entirely wrong; no opinion is entirely right. For me, I have no problem honoring him for his time on the field (by retiring his number, etc.); but that doesn't mean I will defend when someone mentions the crap he pulled.

The sooner people on both sides stop trying to defend their position as if they could prove themselves right and others wrong, the better.

[Fritz]

So he has to apologize, and beg for your acceptance, and praise the Packers for how awesome they are. Forget about all the games he won and all the excitement he brought to the fans when he actually played for the Packers, none of that actually counts for anything anymore.
Take a step back and recognize that this is only professional football. This isn't your career or your family, you are a fan and take it for what it is. Entertainment for 3 hours on a Sunday afternoon.

If he would let me have sex with his wife, that would go a long way toward helping me feel better about him.

[Brandon494]

Wow yall are losers! Three years later and we are still talking about this? We have a super bowl trophy, MVP at QB, and Farve showed exactly why we had to let him go in the playoff game against the Saints. You Farve lovers were wrong, TT was right... let's move on!

[sharpe1027]

If he would let me have sex with his wife, that would go a long way toward helping me feel better about him.

If he let Fritz do this, I would also feel better about him. Should we get a petition going?

[Cheesehead Craig]

If he let Fritz do this, I would also feel better about him. Should we get a petition going?
Feel better about Fritz or Favre?

[Deputy Nutz]

If he would let me have sex with his wife, that would go a long way toward helping me feel better about him.

He just might.

[Deputy Nutz]

Wow yall are losers! Three years later and we are still talking about this? We have a super bowl trophy, MVP at QB, and Farve showed exactly why we had to let him go in the playoff game against the Saints. You Farve lovers were wrong, TT was right... let's move on!

Fuck you, there is nothing to talk about, unless you enjoy the babble about DD on dancing with the stars.

[sharpe1027]

Feel better about Fritz or Favre?

Both.

[Smeefers]

So he has to apologize, and beg for your acceptance, and praise the Packers for how awesome they are. Forget about all the games he won and all the excitement he brought to the fans when he actually played for the Packers, none of that actually counts for anything anymore.
Take a step back and recognize that this is only professional football. This isn't your career or your family, you are a fan and take it for what it is. Entertainment for 3 hours on a Sunday afternoon.

YOU'RE the one who said there was nothing he could do to turn the minds and hearts of packers fans. I was just giving you an example of how he could. I never said beg, you did. Way to twist words around to make your point. I never said what he did on the field didn't count, you did. The whole reason I give a shit about him is because of what he did on the field. That's why I want him to make amends! So I can go back to loving the guy and talking about how great he was without the "ya, but man, he sure did leave like the biggest, stinkiest, pile of shit I've ever seen."

It's also sure a helluva lot more than just 3 hours on a Sunday afternoon for me. I'm writing in a damn blog about the packers in the middle of May. I have just a bit more invested in the organization than a lousy 48 hours a year (plus playoffs). It's a hobby I take seriously and being so involved in it is what makes it so much fun. I'm going to take what happens to the team with more than just a little grain of salt. Brett Favre is the biggest baddest player of my lifetime to play on the Pack. Of course I'm going to get pissed at him when he takes a squat over the franchise and just has explosive bloody diarrhea over the whole thing.

[Deputy Nutz]

I was just like you Smeefers, until the Lacrosse team shoved a parking cone up my ass. Then I understood that no matter how many articles or blogs I wrote the Packers and every other professional sporting event was simply entertainment and being misserable for days or weeks because a team lost was a bit pathetic. What was even more pathetic was dry heaving in my friends driveway because I was so upset that the Packers lost in the NFC Title Game. There is a time to walk away, and then there is a time to run away and seek help. The parting of Favre from the Packers helped me see the light.

[Deputy Nutz]

Also when I threatened to beat the crap out of a 72 year old man at a fine Asian Resturant/Bar was a bit pathetic as well, but if you can't stand up for your heros who will you stand up for?

[Deputy Nutz]

All of this is a true story, Skinbasket was there for the incident at the Asian Resturant, he was also there when I taunted the entire bar and they refused to serve us any more booze.

[George Cumby]

I was just like you Smeefers, until the Lacrosse team shoved a parking cone up my ass. Then I understood that no matter how many articles or blogs I wrote the Packers and every other professional sporting event was simply entertainment and being misserable for days or weeks because a team lost was a bit pathetic. What was even more pathetic was dry heaving in my friends driveway because I was so upset that the Packers lost in the NFC Title Game. There is a time to walk away, and then there is a time to run away and seek help. The parting of Favre from the Packers helped me see the light.

My moment was 4th and 26.

Almost got in a fight with this dick who was needling me after the game (It didn't help he was hitting on my fiancee).

Did get into a fight with the fiancee, now wife (verbal, only).

A real WTF moment.

[KYPack]

I was just like you Smeefers, until the Lacrosse team shoved a parking cone up my ass. Then I understood that no matter how many articles or blogs I wrote the Packers and every other professional sporting event was simply entertainment and being misserable for days or weeks because a team lost was a bit pathetic. What was even more pathetic was dry heaving in my friends driveway because I was so upset that the Packers lost in the NFC Title Game. There is a time to walk away, and then there is a time to run away and seek help. The parting of Favre from the Packers helped me see the light.

Let's go over this part again.

WTF are you talking about?

[Tony Oday]

Billy Madison Quote modified...

[Deputy Nutz]

Totally Billy Madison, which is just a damn fine movie.

[Brandon494]

In loser denial....

[Lurker64]

I really don't want to hear about, or from, Brett Favre until he is inducted in the NFL Hall of Fame. Is that too much to ask?

[Joemailman]

I really don't want to hear about, or from, Brett Favre until he is inducted in the NFL Hall of Fame. Is that too much to ask?

On a Packer fan site? Probably. I think the Packers will try to patch things up with Favre before then, so you'll be hearing about him.

[Smeefers]

I was just like you Smeefers, until the Lacrosse team shoved a parking cone up my ass. Then I understood that no matter how many articles or blogs I wrote the Packers and every other professional sporting event was simply entertainment and being misserable for days or weeks because a team lost was a bit pathetic. What was even more pathetic was dry heaving in my friends driveway because I was so upset that the Packers lost in the NFC Title Game. There is a time to walk away, and then there is a time to run away and seek help. The parting of Favre from the Packers helped me see the light.

But.. but I'm not miserable for days and I don't throw up when they loose and I don't Threaten to beat people up. I just go "aww man..." and am maybe a little sad for a day or two (up to 3 days when we lost the SB in 97). But then ya bounce right back. It didn't even bother me all that much when we lost last year because...well, damn! 15-1, are you kiddin me!? I also get that me writing what I do here isn't going to change a damn thing. That's pretty elementary stuff. The only thing it is going to change is my perspective on the game. I come to this website to learn other view points and try to get a better understanding of the game. I mean, this topic doesn't have a lot to do with the game, but it's close enough for me.

So uh... what now? Hug it out? :hrt:

[MJZiggy]

But.. but I'm not miserable for days and I don't throw up when they loose and I don't Threaten to beat people up. I just go "aww man..." and am maybe a little sad for a day or two (up to 3 days when we lost the SB in 97). But then ya bounce right back. It didn't even bother me all that much when we lost last year because...well, damn! 15-1, are you kiddin me!? I also get that me writing what I do here isn't going to change a damn thing. That's pretty elementary stuff. The only thing it is going to change is my perspective on the game. I come to this website to learn other view points and try to get a better understanding of the game. I mean, this topic doesn't have a lot to do with the game, but it's close enough for me.

So uh... what now? Hug it out? :hrt:

Ok.

[Joemailman]

Just tell Nutz you're impressed by how enlightened he's become by not being a Packer fan anymore, and everything will be fine.

[woodbuck27]

Just tell Nutz you're impressed by how enlightened he's become by not being a Packer fan anymore, and everything will be fine.

So ' the NEW Packer Fan' must ... to qualify:

** Be inspired by and promote hatred with 'a CERTAIN' SUSTAINED PASSION'.

** Get all that out there on the WWW as the propoganda of 'the truly enlightened'. Gather up 'the hoard'. The more the merrier.

** Mock and ridicule anyone 'that doesn't stand down' to their stances.

** Label 'as losers' any " I thought I was a Packer fan ", fan, that continues respecting an obvious Green Bay Packer GREAT. That earns you an automatic disqualification.

*** It earns one 'wanna be' ... NEW PACKER FAN, extra status. A virtual badge of MERIT.

If you promote propoganda with as much vigor for distain and self righteous hatred as possible. It's certainly best to demonstrate true passion for blind hatred, and utilizing really bad manners while doing so for EXTRA bonus points. You know..... it's like laughing with 'the devil'.

In 'the real world' that attitude waters it all down to nothing to say beyond nonsence and poison commentary. It loses for you.

For 'the NEW PACKER FAN' it's just all a big 'SO WHAT'. Afterall.... 'YOUR' ... JUST HATING.

[Deputy Nutz]

Just tell Nutz you're impressed by how enlightened he's become by not being a Packer fan anymore, and everything will be fine.

Thanks I appreciate that. My level of football knowledge has gone up significantly since moving on. Unfortunately I might have turned my kids into Vikings fans by pure accident.

[Deputy Nutz]

So ' the NEW Packer Fan' must ... to qualify:

** Be inspired by and promote hatred with 'a CERTAIN' SUSTAINED PASSION'.

** Get all that out there on the WWW as the propoganda of 'the truly enlightened'. Gather up 'the hoard'. The more the merrier.

** Mock and ridicule anyone 'that doesn't stand down' to their stances.

** Label 'as losers' any " I thought I was a Packer fan ", fan, that continues respecting an obvious Green Bay Packer GREAT. That earns you an automatic disqualification.

*** It earns one 'wanna be' ... NEW PACKER FAN, extra status. A virtual badge of MERIT.

If you promote propoganda with as much vigor for distain and self righteous hatred as possible. It's certainly best to demonstrate true passion for blind hatred, and utilizing really bad manners while doing so for EXTRA bonus points. You know..... it's like laughing with 'the devil'.

In 'the real world' that attitude waters it all down to nothing to say beyond nonsence and poison commentary. It loses for you.

For 'the NEW PACKER FAN' it's just all a big 'SO WHAT'. Afterall.... 'YOUR' ... JUST HATING.

Woody he is 100% right, I am not or nor longer a Packer Fan. I think I have made that point about 150 times since 2008.

[Deputy Nutz]

But.. but I'm not miserable for days and I don't throw up when they loose and I don't Threaten to beat people up. I just go "aww man..." and am maybe a little sad for a day or two (up to 3 days when we lost the SB in 97). But then ya bounce right back. It didn't even bother me all that much when we lost last year because...well, damn! 15-1, are you kiddin me!? I also get that me writing what I do here isn't going to change a damn thing. That's pretty elementary stuff. The only thing it is going to change is my perspective on the game. I come to this website to learn other view points and try to get a better understanding of the game. I mean, this topic doesn't have a lot to do with the game, but it's close enough for me.

So uh... what now? Hug it out? :hrt:

This is the emotional part of the game. Brett Favre is still the biggest news story in Wisconsin. He is the most polarizing figure in Wisconsin sports' history, and the next time he says anything it will immediately be picked up and reported by the Wisconsin news media. He gave an interview this fall before he did a broadcast for the Southern Miss game, and every single word was pull apart and analyized for hidden meanings, and slights.

What I don't get, if you are so easy going about actual losses that happen on the field, then why are you still so bent out of shape about Favre? When was the last time Favre impacted a loss for the Packers?

[Zool]

This is the emotional part of the game. Brett Favre is still the biggest news story in Wisconsin. He is the most polarizing figure in Wisconsin sports' history, and the next time he says anything it will immediately be picked up and reported by the Wisconsin news media. He gave an interview this fall before he did a broadcast for the Southern Miss game, and every single word was pull apart and analyized for hidden meanings, and slights.

What I don't get, if you are so easy going about actual losses that happen on the field, then why are you still so bent out of shape about Favre? When was the last time Favre impacted a loss for the Packers?

Seems to me you and Woody are really the only ones still bent on Favre. Everyone else would like to let it rest. Hard to do with the amount of trolling though.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Brett Favre has a little wiener and he is a big dick.

[Smeefers]

This is the emotional part of the game. Brett Favre is still the biggest news story in Wisconsin. He is the most polarizing figure in Wisconsin sports' history, and the next time he says anything it will immediately be picked up and reported by the Wisconsin news media. He gave an interview this fall before he did a broadcast for the Southern Miss game, and every single word was pull apart and analyized for hidden meanings, and slights.

What I don't get, if you are so easy going about actual losses that happen on the field, then why are you still so bent out of shape about Favre? When was the last time Favre impacted a loss for the Packers?

Just because I don't jump to extremes, it doesn't mean I'm not emotionally attached to what happened. No matter how I try to come up with an explanation, I can't figure out how to explain to you why I'm more upset about Favre than I am over the loss of a single game. Favre played for us for 15 years, was the heart of the team and there was the messiest divorce in sports history between him and our team. And then there's that one game we played. It's just so very small in comparison.

[LEWCWA]

Brett Favre has a little wiener and he is a big dick.



This is funny....Thing I don't understand is how do you know? Everytime somebody's tool is posted online you have to go check it out?

[Harlan Huckleby]

To be fair, he has famously large hands, so objects may be larger than they appear.

[Deputy Nutz]

Seems to me you and Woody are really the only ones still bent on Favre. Everyone else would like to let it rest. Hard to do with the amount of trolling though.

Don't you have something to moderate?

[Fritz]

If he let Fritz do this, I would also feel better about him. Should we get a petition going?

I say yes! Start a full-out petition drive to allow me to have sex with Deanna. Deliver it into the hands of Brent Favre. Photo opp there for ol' #4.

Me and Deanna, alone for three and a half minutes. I walk out smiling, Deanna walks out frowning.

Once again, I love Brent. And once again, so does Deanna.

[MadtownPacker]

This is funny....Thing I don't understand is how do you know? Everytime somebody's tool is posted online you have to go check it out?
I betting he checks out tools offline also.

[woodbuck27]

Just because I don't jump to extremes, it doesn't mean I'm not emotionally attached to what happened. No matter how I try to come up with an explanation, I can't figure out how to explain to you why I'm more upset about Favre than I am over the loss of a single game. Favre played for us for 15 years, was the heart of the team and there was the messiest divorce in sports history between him and our team. And then there's that one game we played. It's just so very small in comparison.


"Favre played for us for 15 years, was the heart of the team" Smeefers

You're right Smeefers ! He demonstrated 'just that again' in his last game wearing the Green and Gold. A win or a loss. Should it all be read in just one play? If that was the case why ever watch a game live or on the tube. You better and as well might simply read about it in the sports section of your local newspaper.

Some of us football fans actually look at a football game in a much more concientious manner. Well ..... we watch the game.

If you look honestly at Favre's last game as a Packer. Favre's last play led to the eventual loss. Yet throughout that last game Brett Favre was the heart and soul and the BEST chance we had for a win over the New York GIANTS. Brett Favre was always our teams BEST Chance for a win. He was all that again on Jan. 29,2008 at Lambeau Field, inspite of so much against him.

In that game the GIANTS owned us again. It's looking like a habit. In that loss to the GIANTS we had the ball on offense for 'only' 22:34 Vs the Giants 40:01. At one point Brett Favre was on the sideline waiting to get a snap for 'a duration of 37 minutes' in extreme cold.

( -3 C degress with a wind chill of -22 ).

Eli Manning shook off conditions that were about as extreme as any in NFL history. He repeatedly put the Giants in position to win in the third-coldest championship game ever. It was so cold that sideline TV commenter Pam Oliver informed us that the heaters on the sidelines were virtually trumped by the extreme cold.

Favre came out of the blocks looking very sharp considering that his HC refused to recognize the impacy of playing the bigges game of the season in extreme conditions. Inspite of the fact he was obviously very cold. Brett Favre passed very well. At about the three quarter point of the 2nd quarter Favre showed us the GREATNESS of Favre. Favre got us into the dressing room at the half up 10-6.

Do you forget Favre's brilliant play-fake that sprung tight end Donald Lee free in the back of the end zone for a 12-yard TD reception and a 17-13 lead in the 3rd quarter?

Do you forget that Brett Favre staged yet another 4th quarter comeback and the game was tied 20-20 in regulation?

Our total offfense was 264 yards. 236 yards through the air and 'only' 28 yards rushing on 14 carrys.

Do members forget the poor effort put forward by our defense? That all day we observed Al Harris being owned by Plaxico Burris.

Time after time the announcers reminded us that Packer HC Mike McCarthy failed to recognize that Al Harris needed support to double team Burris. Do y'all recall that?

Did you observe CB Charles Woodson caught out of position missing tackles and falling to the ground. Don't you recall the penalty's imposed on our defense in crucial situations? Maybe y'all should review that game.

When Plaxico Burris was the decoy Eli Manning utilized the skills of WR Amani Toomer. Time after time Eli Manning put his team into position to dominate our team on the scoreboard. Only to see the Giants kicker Lawrence Tynes miss 2 normally automatic FG attempts of under 40 yards. The football was frozen.

Do you forget that on that day our leaders on defense were Corey Williams and KGB? Don't you recall Both along with Brett Favre soon to be expelled from Green Bay. Whatever 'our best' on that day did ....... it obviously wasn't enough.

On another note I have to comment on this silly stuff some of you delight in making fools of yourselves over.

It's funny how members here STOOP TO POSTING that members like myself should cash in our Green Bay Packer LOYALTY CARDS and support another NFL team. Why is that? Is it because some of us actually watch footnall games? Because we watch Packer games and not just the scoreboard. Because we don't just watch the football?

RE: member Deputy Nutz and believe this this member doesn't need my support Vs some of the most ignorant of you. It's my honest observation that by far 'most of the members at Packerrats' cannot hold a candle to Deputy Nutz's football knowledge nor his dedication to teaching that knowledge to youths and even his loyalty to Packerrats as he so willingly has donated his free time to this site with excellent knowledge and sharing that.

GO PACKERS !