OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[MJZiggy]

Childress did a poor job with his game plan Monday
He announced to the Bears all week he was re establishing the run
Then they kicked his game plans ass
One series was run run draw play punt

In second half he came out to expose the Bears weaknesses in the secondary and it worked; should have started earlier

Regardless, I wonder where the Vikings Defense has went

Do they miss EJ Henderson that much ?

And yet people scream and holler when M3 won't talk about his game strategy beforehand...

[Patler]

Regardless, I wonder where the Vikings Defense has went

Do they miss EJ Henderson that much ?

One of the national writers (National Football Post, maybe?) brought up that very possibility the first week after the injury. He said Henderson was the key to that defense and would be missed tremendously.

Maybe he was right.

[Patler]

ALL the so-called experts are marveling at what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has) and how well he played last night (thus the redic smirk he had :cry: ).

"...no one ever has..." Why do so many just automatically assume whatever Favre does is so much better than anyone else, ever? Did you even check? You might want to look at the career of Warren Moon, and what he did at ages 39, 40, 41 and 42.

At age 39 - 377/606 for 4228 yards and 38 TDs.
At age 40, in 8 games, 134/247 for 1610 yards and 7 TDs.
At age 41, in 14 starts, 313/528, 3678 yards, 25 TDs.
At age 42 - 145/258, 1632 yards 11 TDs.

Yes, Favre is having a better year at age 40, but Moon was a lot better at 39. We'll see what happens next year and the year after for Favre, and how those years compare to Moon's at comparable ages..

[Scott Campbell]

ALL the so-called experts are marveling at what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has) and how well he played last night (thus the redic smirk he had :cry: ).

"...no one ever has..." Why do so many just automatically assume whatever Favre does is so much better than anyone else, ever? Did you even check? You might want to look at the career of Warren Moon, and what he did at ages 39, 40, 41 and 42.

At age 39 - 377/606 for 4228 yards and 38 TDs.
At age 40, in 8 games, 134/247 for 1610 yards and 7 TDs.
At age 41, in 14 starts, 313/528, 3678 yards, 25 TDs.
At age 42 - 145/258, 1632 yards 11 TDs.

Yes, Favre is having a better year at age 40, but Moon was a lot better at 39. We'll see what happens next year and the year after for Favre, and how those years compare to Moon's at comparable ages..


MOBB favors white quarterbacks.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

mobb straight up racist that sucker was simple and plain

[Fritz]

ALL the so-called experts are marveling at what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has) and how well he played last night (thus the redic smirk he had :cry: ).

"...no one ever has..." Why do so many just automatically assume whatever Favre does is so much better than anyone else, ever? Did you even check? You might want to look at the career of Warren Moon, and what he did at ages 39, 40, 41 and 42.

At age 39 - 377/606 for 4228 yards and 38 TDs.
At age 40, in 8 games, 134/247 for 1610 yards and 7 TDs.
At age 41, in 14 starts, 313/528, 3678 yards, 25 TDs.
At age 42 - 145/258, 1632 yards 11 TDs.

Yes, Favre is having a better year at age 40, but Moon was a lot better at 39. We'll see what happens next year and the year after for Favre, and how those years compare to Moon's at comparable ages..

Patlerized.

[MJZiggy]

ALL the so-called experts are marveling at what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has) and how well he played last night (thus the redic smirk he had :cry: ).

"...no one ever has..." Why do so many just automatically assume whatever Favre does is so much better than anyone else, ever? Did you even check? You might want to look at the career of Warren Moon, and what he did at ages 39, 40, 41 and 42.

At age 39 - 377/606 for 4228 yards and 38 TDs.
At age 40, in 8 games, 134/247 for 1610 yards and 7 TDs.
At age 41, in 14 starts, 313/528, 3678 yards, 25 TDs.
At age 42 - 145/258, 1632 yards 11 TDs.

Yes, Favre is having a better year at age 40, but Moon was a lot better at 39. We'll see what happens next year and the year after for Favre, and how those years compare to Moon's at comparable ages..

Patlerized.

In grand style.

[bobblehead]

ALL the so-called experts are marveling at what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has) and how well he played last night (thus the redic smirk he had :cry: ).

"...no one ever has..." Why do so many just automatically assume whatever Favre does is so much better than anyone else, ever? Did you even check? You might want to look at the career of Warren Moon, and what he did at ages 39, 40, 41 and 42.

At age 39 - 377/606 for 4228 yards and 38 TDs.
At age 40, in 8 games, 134/247 for 1610 yards and 7 TDs.
At age 41, in 14 starts, 313/528, 3678 yards, 25 TDs.
At age 42 - 145/258, 1632 yards 11 TDs.

Yes, Favre is having a better year at age 40, but Moon was a lot better at 39. We'll see what happens next year and the year after for Favre, and how those years compare to Moon's at comparable ages..

Patlerized.

I think Patlerized should be saved for when a normally intelligent poster gets faced by patler....everyone faces mobb.

[gex]

ALL the so-called experts are marveling at what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has) and how well he played last night (thus the redic smirk he had :cry: ).

"...no one ever has..." Why do so many just automatically assume whatever Favre does is so much better than anyone else, ever? Did you even check? You might want to look at the career of Warren Moon, and what he did at ages 39, 40, 41 and 42.

At age 39 - 377/606 for 4228 yards and 38 TDs.
At age 40, in 8 games, 134/247 for 1610 yards and 7 TDs.
At age 41, in 14 starts, 313/528, 3678 yards, 25 TDs.
At age 42 - 145/258, 1632 yards 11 TDs.

Yes, Favre is having a better year at age 40, but Moon was a lot better at 39. We'll see what happens next year and the year after for Favre, and how those years compare to Moon's at comparable ages..

Patlerized.

I think Patlerized should be saved for when a normally intelligent poster gets faced by patler....everyone faces mobb.
"what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has)"

Actually, if you want to get real nit picky, Mobb was correct in this statement alone. He did state THIS YEAR and at AGE 40.

But what the hell, cmon gang lets pile on!

[bobblehead]

ALL the so-called experts are marveling at what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has) and how well he played last night (thus the redic smirk he had :cry: ).

"...no one ever has..." Why do so many just automatically assume whatever Favre does is so much better than anyone else, ever? Did you even check? You might want to look at the career of Warren Moon, and what he did at ages 39, 40, 41 and 42.

At age 39 - 377/606 for 4228 yards and 38 TDs.
At age 40, in 8 games, 134/247 for 1610 yards and 7 TDs.
At age 41, in 14 starts, 313/528, 3678 yards, 25 TDs.
At age 42 - 145/258, 1632 yards 11 TDs.

Yes, Favre is having a better year at age 40, but Moon was a lot better at 39. We'll see what happens next year and the year after for Favre, and how those years compare to Moon's at comparable ages..

Patlerized.

I think Patlerized should be saved for when a normally intelligent poster gets faced by patler....everyone faces mobb.
"what he's done this year at his age (no one ever has)"

Actually, if you want to get real nit picky, Mobb was correct in this statement alone. He did state THIS YEAR and at AGE 40.

But what the hell, cmon gang lets pile on!

In fairness I like mobb and had no problem with his statement. The spirit of what he said was pretty spot on. I would have bet the house that Brett could in no way be effective and throw under 10 picks as well. Moon might be the most under rated/appreciated QB of all time.

[Fritz]

Saw a few lines in the JSO article on scouts looking at playoff teams' chances, and one said that it wasn't clear who was running the offense in Minny....

Wonder if there really is anything to that?

[Bretsky]

Saw a few lines in the JSO article on scouts looking at playoff teams' chances, and one said that it wasn't clear who was running the offense in Minny....

Wonder if there really is anything to that?


Rumors are all over that Favre audibles more than Chilly would like. Chilly wants the run to set up the pass; I don't think their OL is powerful enough for that mentality. They seem to function best when they spread everything out and run and pass out of that formation. But it sounds like that is not Chilly's preference.

[Patler]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.

[The Shadow]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.


Having A. Peterson might just have a wee bit to do with that.

[Joemailman]

Well, Viking QB's threw 17 INT's last year, so we probably should give the old guy a little credit. Hopefully, he's saved up some INT's for the playoffs though.

[GrnBay007]

Welcome back Joe!

[Scott Campbell]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.


He's played great for the most part this year. Much to my dismay.


Hey Joe!

[Patler]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.

Having A. Peterson might just have a wee bit to do with that.

I'm not sure why? He has still had 500 attempts this year. When Green was having his big years with the Packers, and led the NFL in yards over a 4 year period, Favre was still throwing 15-20 interceptions each year.

Something is different this year.

[mraynrand]

Welcome back Joe!

+1

[mraynrand]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.

Having A. Peterson might just have a wee bit to do with that.

I'm not sure why? He has still had 500 attempts this year. When Green was having his big years with the Packers, and led the NFL in yards over a 4 year period, Favre was still throwing 15-20 interceptions each year.

Something is different this year.

I agree. Other than the games against the Packers, I've watched Favre in all but two or three games. He's been outstanding. And ever since that comeback against the 49ers, the playbook was opened to him (until recently) and the Vikings became a dominant passing team. It only makes sense: The NFL is built around the passing game and ALL the best teams - ALL the successful teams have QBs who are in control of the offense and are good passers. Running/play good defense is the vast exception.

Look at that last Chicago game: The Vikings screwed it up trying to rely on the pound it out run game in the first half. Open it up and let Favre run the show. He's been deadly accurate this year - and in complete control. I hope the Vikings keep refusing to figure this out.

[MJZiggy]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.

And just WHY couldn't he have ever done that for US?????

Hi Joe. Welcome home.

[Patler]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.

And just WHY couldn't he have ever done that for US?????


I have a theory about that, which includes:

1. An awakening on Favre's part after two teams "rejected" him following:
a.) another playoff loss ending on one of his interceptions,
b.) a season end that was ugly after he was deified at the start, and
c.) the sports world recognizing how bad his season ends have been recently.

2. The extremely powerful motivation of revenge in Favre's nature.

[Joemailman]

I wonder if getting called out publicly by Thomas Jones after last season was a wake up call for Favre. Getting publicly criticized by a teammate had never happened to him before.

[Fritz]

My theory is that Favre started with the "I'm just a cog" routine, and ended up buying into it. I thought he played well against Chicago - a game in which I thought he might revert to old habits, given Peterson's lack of production. Favre has resisted that old "I have to carry the team" mentality all season long, I think. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps it up.

[bobblehead]

Favre throwing just 7 interceptions is truly astounding. His lowest totals as a starter were 13 in 1992, 1995 and 1996. To go from averaging 20 per year over the last 5 years, to just 7 this year, barely half of his previous low, is quite a change.

And just WHY couldn't he have ever done that for US?????


I have a theory about that, which includes:

1. An awakening on Favre's part after two teams "rejected" him following:
a.) another playoff loss ending on one of his interceptions,
b.) a season end that was ugly after he was deified at the start, and
c.) the sports world recognizing how bad his season ends have been recently.

2. The extremely powerful motivation of revenge in Favre's nature.

I agree with this and for those that bother to read what I type (I don't blame you if you don't) , they can attest to my mantra of: favre is doing exactly what MM begged him to do in an attempt to show him whats up.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

My theory is that Favre started with the "I'm just a cog" routine, and ended up buying into it. I thought he played well against Chicago - a game in which I thought he might revert to old habits, given Peterson's lack of production. Favre has resisted that old "I have to carry the team" mentality all season long, I think. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps it up.

Really? Ty saw a different game then.

Ty saw Bert throw at least 3 balls that a good defense woulda picked off. Bert definitely made some bad choices. Against a very depleted Bears team..and one that lost Tillman in the second half. HOLY FUCK...ty is becoming a bear apologist!

Bert has played well, but he is having a magical season not just for his play, but the play of his opponents..ex: San fran game.

[Packerarcher]

Give it up Ty,Favre played a hell of a game the SECOND half of the Chicago game. When you continually argue it,all it does is make you look like more of an idiot.

[Patler]

Give it up Ty,Favre played a hell of a game the SECOND half of the Chicago game. When you continually argue it,all it does is make you look like more of an idiot.

Ty is right. Wasn't there a drop by a DB on the final scoring drive by the Vikings? A drop on what should have been an easy interception? Or, was that one of the earlier scoring drives?

[pbmax]

Give it up Ty,Favre played a hell of a game the SECOND half of the Chicago game. When you continually argue it,all it does is make you look like more of an idiot.

Ty is right. Wasn't there a drop by a DB on the final scoring drive by the Vikings? A drop on what should have been an easy interception? Or, was that one of the earlier scoring drives?
Yes there was, I thought it was the last Viking regulation drive. And Favre did do damage against a depleted defense, newly depleted in the secondary. But we are pretty deep in the weeds here looking for signs about his play. How many other QBs besides Rodgers have we considered backup DBs and dropped INTs? :lol:

The only way to straighten this whole mess out is to beat the pants off him in the Dome in two weeks.

[b bulldog]

He did play well in the second half but that shouldn't give him a pass for his first half. One could say that Brett was the reason the Vikings cme back but than on the other hand, seeing his second half, one could also say that he was one of thne main reasons for the L because of his fist half play. What it really comes down to is when Brett gets time, he will carve you up, like any NFL QB. Arod is the only NFL QB that I have seen this year that can put numbers up while getting a heavy dose of pressure.

[b bulldog]

I am so glad the diva isn't a Packer anymore. TT's best move to date is the drafting of Rodgers, thanks Ted.

[gex]

That pass was a thing of beauty! Very Favresque.

[GrnBay007]

That pass was a thing of beauty! Very Favresque.

that was great!

[GrnBay007]

He's close to 200 yards with 8 min left of 1st half.

[gex]

Well, It appears Min is taking care of things on their end.

[gex]

Haha that was funny.

[gex]

DAYUM!!! On a frozen rope! Old boy still has the arm to make all the throws :D

[gex]

Even tho it was called back, it was still fun to watch!

[ThunderDan]

What the hell happened to the NYG these last 2 weeks?

[packerbacker1234]

Favre threw the ball 9 times in the first half of last weeks game.

This week, they opened up the pass early and blew them out.

Coincidence? Thats what they were doing back when they were undefeated.

[Fritz]

Ty, I thought about bringing up the near-intercept that Favre threw on that last drive, but decided not to, because I think all QB's do that from time to time, and it didn't seem fair to single out Favre for something that really is a part of the game. I didn't see three near interceptions, though - I saw one.

Rodgers has done it, other QB's do it. The fact is, he didn't get picked off. And he did lead the Vikes to the tying touchdown and capped it with a beautiful throw.

Believe me, I'd like nothing better than for the Pack to face the Vikes again and have Favre throw four of five picks, but in truth the old man is playing much better than most people, including me, anticipated.

[ThunderDan]

Favre threw the ball 9 times in the first half of last weeks game.

This week, they opened up the pass early and blew them out.

Coincidence? Thats what they were doing back when they were undefeated.

You do realize they only ran 24 plays the entire 1st half? So they threw 38% of the time or 3 pass plays short of 50/50.

[ThunderDan]

Just looking back at the Vikings season.

They ran 1,054 plays and attempted 553 passes. They passed 52% of the time.

Week 1 - 41% pass
Week 2 - 55% pass
Week 3 - 64% pass, SF miracle TD game
Week 4 - 52% pass

Seems like a pretty balanced team that went 12-4. They had a lot of leads so they probably ran a lot in the 4th quarter. I would guess they are closer to 55/45, but why wouldn't you be with AP in the backfield?

[Scott Campbell]

I thought the Vikings looked terrific yesterday, but you have to temper that against their competition who clearly had mentally already begun their off season vacations. They ended a 2 game skid against a team that had quit.


The Vikings now get a bye week and a home playoff game in their temperature and humidity controlled enclosure. They'll have no excuses if they lose.

[woodbuck27]

I thought the Vikings looked terrific yesterday, but you have to temper that against their competition who clearly had mentally already begun their off season vacations. They ended a 2 game skid against a team that had quit.


The Vikings now get a bye week and a home playoff game in their temperature and humidity controlled enclosure. They'll have no excuses if they lose.

The Giants played a tough team at home on a short week too Scott. Those always factors. The Giants have been a hurting team for half a schedule at least and as well. No less a big win for the Vikings who played a complete game on offense and defense.

'' They'll have no excuses ... if ... they ... lose. '' SC

Of course they, ' the Vikings ' may not be considering either losing or excuses. I would imagine all their thinking is win in the Metrodome to get to the NFC final. Winning the bye had to be encouraging.

As I see it the NFC is wide open now. The Packers are looking very good on both sides of the ball and if they go up against the Vikings for the third time this season, Brett Favre will, of all people, be very aware of how difficult three wins is. Re-call the Viking playoff win and the real beginning of Favre's end in Green Bay IMO and recall.

[woodbuck27]

Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate

1 Matt Schaub 396 583 67.9 36.4 4,770 8.2 298.1 29 15 230 39.5 72T 62 15 25 98.6

2 Peyton Manning 393 571 68.8 35.7 4,500 7.9 281.2 33 16 237 41.5 80T 59 8 10 99.9

3 Tony Romo 347 550 63.1 34.4 4,483 8.2 280.2 26 9 203 36.9 80T 61 17 34 97.6

4 Aaron Rodgers 350 541 64.7 33.8 4,434 8.2 277.1 30 7 197 36.4 83T 55 17 50 103.2

5 Tom Brady 371 565 65.7 35.3 4,398 7.8 274.9 28 13 214 37.9 81T 43 12 16 96.2

6 Drew Brees 363 514 70.6 34.3 4,388 8.5 292.5 34 11 210 40.9 75T 58 11 20 109.6

7 Ben Roethlisberger 337 506 66.6 33.7 4,328 8.6 288.5 26 12 202 39.9 60T 61 14 50 100.5

8 Philip Rivers 317 486 65.2 30.4 4,254 8.8 265.9 28 9 208 42.8 81T 64 12 25 104.4

9 Brett Favre 363 531 68.4 33.2 4,202 7.9 262.6 33 7 211 39.7 63 52 13 34 107.2

10 Eli Manning 317 509 62.3 31.8 4,021 7.9 251.3 27 14 183 36.0 74T 60 12 30 93.1

[Jimx29]

Not sure wth a "Bobby" is, but....

Favre Sears commercial wins the Bobby awards for best celebrity performance (http://adage.com/garfield/post?article_id=141254)

[Scott Campbell]

The Bottom Line:
The Packers finished 6-10 in 2008, missing the playoffs for the third time in four years under Thompson after qualifying 10 times in the 12 seasons before that.


Your signature is looking a little dated.

[Jimx29]

The Bottom Line:
The Packers finished 6-10 in 2008, missing the playoffs for the third time in four years under Thompson after qualifying 10 times in the 12 seasons before that.


Your signature is looking a little dated.It's still accurate. 8-)

[MOBB DEEP]

rofl

Favre comes in 4th in comeback player of the year voting :?:

whats the criteria? have a bad ending to ur season? foolish imo

CLEARLY, cadilac wil shoulda won considering TWO wreck legs and all but given-up on. no one gave up on favre except TT, fatboy, and a few hosers here

[mraynrand]

rofl

Favre comes in 4th in comeback player of the year voting :?:

whats the criteria? have a bad ending to ur season? foolish imo

Maybe Favre didn't come back from much. He had a pretty good year last year until he started faking the shoulder injury to get out of NY.

[MOBB DEEP]

rofl

Favre comes in 4th in comeback player of the year voting :?:

whats the criteria? have a bad ending to ur season? foolish imo

Maybe Favre didn't come back from much. He had a pretty good year last year until he started faking the shoulder injury to get out of NY.


thats a good one m :lol: :x :wink:

[Bossman641]

rofl

Favre comes in 4th in comeback player of the year voting :?:

whats the criteria? have a bad ending to ur season? foolish imo

CLEARLY, cadilac wil shoulda won considering TWO wreck legs and all but given-up on. no one gave up on favre except TT, fatboy, and a few hosers here

You fool, Favre gave up on himself when he retired 2 years ago. Remember? Give it up already

[Scott Campbell]

I think he's comeback pretty well since his coach wanted to bench him.

[gex]

no one gave up on favre except TT, fatboy, and a few hosers here

Love it! :D

[MOBB DEEP]

Well we always have Favre to root for next week! :lol:

who will also be 1 and done....NO WAY they beat peaking cowgirls

that will be the consolation prize for all the favre haters; "at least favre didnt win mvp or a playoff game with the queens...he sucks. Blah blah, blah.... like girlie men"

hating skirts.. :roll:[/quote]

Warner old tail still gettn it done too....

Glad he's a man of God but cant believe aaron didnt display proper pocket awareness at such a critical time! :x

[gex]

Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset.

[esoxx]

Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset.

Except for one glaring fact you're overlooking....

HE PLAYS FOR THE VIKINGS!!!

[retailguy]

Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset.

I'm rooting for whomever PLAYS AGAINST the Vikings. I'm hoping for another six interception Favre performance.

[Joemailman]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

[b bulldog]

ROOT FOR THE VIKINGS......YOU NUTS

[digitaldean]

Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset.

You are free to root for Favre. I want him to face the frustration that he has gotten in his final playoff appearances in GB. No malice or injury sought. I just don't want him to succeed.

I, for one, am sick & tired on how i SHOULD be happy for Favre and root for him. It's well documented on how he gamed the system after he was given the opportunity to come back or not. He gets traded to the Jets when he wants to come back at the last minute and then retires from the Jets so he can eventually get what he always wanted.

I will do something I never thought I'd do, root for Dallas. Eventually, I want N.O. in the SB since we can't. I don't want this big prima donna to win out in the end.

[MJZiggy]

Dean,

You shouldn't root for Favre if you don't want to. I am now rooting for the Saints and for the Ravens. And this week, I don't care whether Dallas or Minnesota wins because it would be fine with me if he made it within one game--again.

[Joemailman]

Can't cheer for the Vikings ever...Sean Payton is a smug little jerk...I wish Jerry Jones would die...do I cheer for the team that beat the Packers?

[Bretsky]

For Gosh sakes root for him if you want and root against him if you want.

As I stated at the season's beginning, I'll cheer my heart out for the Packers but if they get eliminated I hope Favre wins a Super Bowl and retires on top.

I hope Favre wins it all this year, retires, and the Packers win it all next year

[Scott Campbell]

Today was the kind of game that Favre wilted in.

[packerbacker1234]

Today was the kind of game that Favre wilted in.

Typical Favre end - turnover at end to give other team win.

Aaron Rodgers end today - turnover at end to give other team win.

Not sure if Favre wilts or not. The way he has played this year... maybe today he is the reason you have a chance? End result may still be the same, but who knows.

[Packerarcher]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

[pbmax]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.
Oddly enough, Bob McGinn agrees with you. Of course, Robert seems to have also forgotten that defenses are allowed to try and win.

[channtheman]

Today was the kind of game that Favre wilted in.

No shit. Last time Favre was in a playoff game where he threw an INT at the start to put his team in a hole, he ended up throwing 6 INT's.

Now that was a shitty throw by Rodgers (no HORRIBLE) he did keep his composure and bring us back.

[MOBB DEEP]

Today was the kind of game that Favre wilted in.

Brent sucks! cut him

In case u didnt tune in SC, erin was shook daddy in the 1st half; lookn like deer in head lights off the break

thus we had big hole to climb out

[MOBB DEEP]

For Gosh sakes root for him if you want and root against him if you want.

As I stated at the season's beginning, I'll cheer my heart out for the Packers but if they get eliminated I hope Favre wins a Super Bowl and retires on top.

I hope Favre wins it all this year, retires, and the Packers win it all next year

PERFECT mindset B

My only addtion is DONT MINIMIZE WHAT FAVRE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE GAME! he earned those records playing against the BEST in the world

I dont root for brady but am AMAZED at what he's acomplished because I DIDNT/CANT DO IT!

for those on a higher plane of thinkn: in essence, i wish i woulda had ahmad carroll's career even with getn burned in the PROS! give credit even when it hurts ppl; says alot about ones OWN character

[Scott Campbell]

For Gosh sakes root for him if you want and root against him if you want.

As I stated at the season's beginning, I'll cheer my heart out for the Packers but if they get eliminated I hope Favre wins a Super Bowl and retires on top.

I hope Favre wins it all this year, retires, and the Packers win it all next year

PERFECT mindset B

My only addtion is DONT MINIMIZE WHAT FAVRE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE GAME! he earned those records playing against the BEST in the world.



Like the all time INT record. He sure earned that.

[gex]

For Gosh sakes root for him if you want and root against him if you want.

As I stated at the season's beginning, I'll cheer my heart out for the Packers but if they get eliminated I hope Favre wins a Super Bowl and retires on top.

I hope Favre wins it all this year, retires, and the Packers win it all next year

That is excatly how I feel.

[gex]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

[ThunderDan]

Today was the kind of game that Favre wilted in.

Brent sucks! cut him

In case u didnt tune in SC, erin was shook daddy in the 1st half; lookn like deer in head lights off the break

thus we had big hole to climb out

Other than that 1 throw we had 1 punt in the first half. How do you call the fumble by DD that Arod was in the head lights? ARod played like a stud.

[Bossman641]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Is it OK if I root for him to fail miserably, further embarass himself, and throw some coaches and players under the bus as he rides off on his tractor?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

[Sparkey]

We all want the Vikings to win the NFC Championship so that they can lose in the Super Bowl.

NOT BECAUSE BF is their QB. But because the only team that should ever have the distinction of LOSING 5 SUPER BOWLS should be the Queens!! :twisted:

[gex]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

We all want the Vikings to win the NFC Championship so that they can lose in the Super Bowl.

NOT BECAUSE BF is their QB. But because the only team that should ever have the distinction of LOSING 5 SUPER BOWLS should be the Queens!! :twisted:

Hmm, which is more humiliating to Bert. Losing in the Superbowl...putting him the 2x loser category OR flaming out before he can even get to the NFC championship game.

[packerbacker1234]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

No idea, this thread is about Favre and the the vikings, and then people come in here and complain were talking about favre and the vikings.

I mean, thats the idea of this thread, is it not?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.

[MJZiggy]

We all want the Vikings to win the NFC Championship so that they can lose in the Super Bowl.

NOT BECAUSE BF is their QB. But because the only team that should ever have the distinction of LOSING 5 SUPER BOWLS should be the Queens!! :twisted:

While you make a compelling argument here, I would offer that perhaps it's better to see him get oh so close one more time and flame out in grand style in the NFCC--thus leaving him a game short of the "reason he came back" (this time)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

No idea, this thread is about Favre and the the vikings, and then people come in here and complain were talking about favre and the vikings.

I mean, thats the idea of this thread, is it not?

No, the thread is about Bert. Nobody said it was a lovefest. Nobody proclaimed this the official dicksucking Bert thread.

Nobody is complaining about talking about Bert. People are laughing, complaining, etc..about a stupid post telling them that it is fine now to root for the Vikings.

[Bretsky]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Actually the title of the thread is aobut Brett Favre and one could certainly argue it's childish to refer to him by using Bert

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Actually the title of the thread is aobut Brett Favre and one could certainly argue it's childish to refer to him by using Bert

Agreed. And, it has been going on for months in this thread. So, why now wonder about childish behavior?

Quite simply, no freaking packer fan is going to be rooting for the vikes to win the superbowl. At best, one could say that a pack fan should/could root for the NFC over the AFC, but that still leaves plenty of NFC teams to root for before having to cheer for the vikes.

[HowardRoark]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.

Damn, your good at what you do.

[Bretsky]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Actually the title of the thread is aobut Brett Favre and one could certainly argue it's childish to refer to him by using Bert

Agreed. And, it has been going on for months in this thread. So, why now wonder about childish behavior?

Quite simply, no freaking packer fan is going to be rooting for the vikes to win the superbowl. At best, one could say that a pack fan should/could root for the NFC over the AFC, but that still leaves plenty of NFC teams to root for before having to cheer for the vikes.


Actually I didnt' bring up the childish behavior and I rarely wonder about it although we all witness plenty of it. You brought it up a couple posts above, and it was only after you pointed it out to another poster that I decided to point out another example.

I completely disagree with your last paragraph. I know several diehard Packer fans who will now be rooting for MN now that Green Bay has been eliminated. I know some find it hard to believe that not every Packer fan hates the Vikings and Brett Favre; I've never bought into it.

[MOBB DEEP]

We all want the Vikings to win the NFC Championship so that they can lose in the Super Bowl.

NOT BECAUSE BF is their QB. But because the only team that should ever have the distinction of LOSING 5 SUPER BOWLS should be the Queens!! :twisted:

Hmm, which is more humiliating to Bert. Losing in the Superbowl...putting him the 2x loser category OR flaming out before he can even get to the NFC championship game.

SERIOUS question Ty; why do you want bert to be humiliated at all? Forget all the banter, im just curious

And I actually think the bert or brent thing is kinda funny. asanine, yet funny

[Bossman641]

We all want the Vikings to win the NFC Championship so that they can lose in the Super Bowl.

NOT BECAUSE BF is their QB. But because the only team that should ever have the distinction of LOSING 5 SUPER BOWLS should be the Queens!! :twisted:

Hmm, which is more humiliating to Bert. Losing in the Superbowl...putting him the 2x loser category OR flaming out before he can even get to the NFC championship game.

SERIOUS question Ty; why do you want bert to be humiliated at all? Forget all the banter, im just curious

I'm not Ty, but I'll bite.

I want him to be humiliated because he doesn't seem like a standup guy. He has shown that he is all about himself and has no problem throwing others under the bus. He is a diva and things he is above the system. Anyone who can't see how he gamed and schemed his way out of the Packers and then the Jets is blind. Simply put, the way he acted was wrong. It's the same reason I have no respect for Eli Manning, Michael Vick, Vince Carter, etc.

[Pugger]

I want the girls to knock the snot out of him because he chose to play for the hated Vikings. If all he wanted to do was 'just play football' he should have stayed in NY for the final year of his contract. But no, he 'retired' yet again, got his release and sauntered over to Minneapolis. I didn't root for the bears a few years ago when they last played in the Super Bowl and I won't root for BF as long as he is wearing that hideous purple getup. :P Comprende?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Actually the title of the thread is aobut Brett Favre and one could certainly argue it's childish to refer to him by using Bert

Agreed. And, it has been going on for months in this thread. So, why now wonder about childish behavior?

Quite simply, no freaking packer fan is going to be rooting for the vikes to win the superbowl. At best, one could say that a pack fan should/could root for the NFC over the AFC, but that still leaves plenty of NFC teams to root for before having to cheer for the vikes.


Actually I didnt' bring up the childish behavior and I rarely wonder about it although we all witness plenty of it. You brought it up a couple posts above, and it was only after you pointed it out to another poster that I decided to point out another example.

I completely disagree with your last paragraph. I know several diehard Packer fans who will now be rooting for MN now that Green Bay has been eliminated. I know some find it hard to believe that not every Packer fan hates the Vikings and Brett Favre; I've never bought into it.

Um, wrong. The word childish was used by Gex. Ty then responded to that word and used it.

Diehard pack fans that are rooting for MN. Um, they aren't diehard pack fans.

Pack fans should hate/detest/loathe/etc. the vikes. How they feel about Favre isn't the issue. He is a viking now.

Ty would suggest you stay away from those "diehard" fans. Bad influence on you and your family.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

We all want the Vikings to win the NFC Championship so that they can lose in the Super Bowl.

NOT BECAUSE BF is their QB. But because the only team that should ever have the distinction of LOSING 5 SUPER BOWLS should be the Queens!! :twisted:

Hmm, which is more humiliating to Bert. Losing in the Superbowl...putting him the 2x loser category OR flaming out before he can even get to the NFC championship game.

SERIOUS question Ty; why do you want bert to be humiliated at all? Forget all the banter, im just curious

And I actually think the bert or brent thing is kinda funny. asanine, yet funny

Ty doesn't care if he is humiliated. A loss is just fine.

Ty wants him to lose for the same reason others want to see him win.

[ThunderDan]

I want the girls to knock the snot out of him because he chose to play for the hated Vikings. If all he wanted to do was 'just play football' he should have stayed in NY for the final year of his contract. But no, he 'retired' yet again, got his release and sauntered over to Minneapolis. I didn't root for the bears a few years ago when they last played in the Super Bowl and I won't root for BF as long as he is wearing that hideous purple getup. :P Comprende?

I think it would be poetic justice if the NYJ make it to the SuperBowl and win!

[gex]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.Wrong on all 3 points, but I'm not gonna get into the back and forth with you on it Ty, I've seen how those end(or don't end) with you.
My friends and I were all cheering hard for the Pack to win on Sunday, and like I've said before, when Favre leaves Min they can lose every game as far as I care.
Its kinda like kids in a divorce..do we have to pick one over the other(there is no way a normal person can love/like 2 things at the same time....does not compute..does not compute...blam! :) )
I think Mobb might have it right when he says "evolve" past the hatred and name calling. I've gotten past the dislike for TT and see how he has gotten our Packers heading in the right direction.
It's ok to be conlflicted...You can love 2 things at the same time..EVOLVE...its not the end,its just football...Favre will retire soon and I don't believe any Favre fans will be converted to purple passion..like Bretsky said, I too know of many diehard Pack fans rooting for Favre now.

[MichiganPackerFan]

We all want the Vikings to win the NFC Championship so that they can lose in the Super Bowl.

NOT BECAUSE BF is their QB. But because the only team that should ever have the distinction of LOSING 5 SUPER BOWLS should be the Queens!! :twisted:

Hmm, which is more humiliating to Bert. Losing in the Superbowl...putting him the 2x loser category OR flaming out before he can even get to the NFC championship game.

SERIOUS question Ty; why do you want bert to be humiliated at all? Forget all the banter, im just curious

I'm not Ty, but I'll bite.

I want him to be humiliated because he doesn't seem like a standup guy. He has shown that he is all about himself and has no problem throwing others under the bus. He is a diva and things he is above the system. Anyone who can't see how he gamed and schemed his way out of the Packers and then the Jets is blind. Simply put, the way he acted was wrong. It's the same reason I have no respect for Eli Manning, Michael Vick, Vince Carter, etc.

I want him to be humiliated because he mailed in the last several seasons in Green Bay. He completely took for granted the support the team and fans gave him. He developed a spoiled-brat, entitlement mentality and put himself ahead of the team. I followed him for 16 years and often as I realize how little he put into it at the end I feel like a sucker. And his consistent choke jobs in the playoffs still make me cringe.

[MOBB DEEP]

I think Mobb might have it right when he says "evolve" past the hatred and name calling. I've gotten past the dislike for TT and see how he has gotten our Packers heading in the right direction.


One of the hardest things ive done is forgive tt...lol....but i started looking at the big picture. Pack is in good hands and favre is happy and gets MVP consideration. win-win

Life's so much better when we are able to keep things in persepctive. Not always easy because human nature/flesh/satan promotes angst and hatred

[woodbuck27]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Actually the title of the thread is aobut Brett Favre and one could certainly argue it's childish to refer to him by using Bert

Agreed. And, it has been going on for months in this thread. So, why now wonder about childish behavior?

Quite simply, no freaking packer fan is going to be rooting for the vikes to win the superbowl. At best, one could say that a pack fan should/could root for the NFC over the AFC, but that still leaves plenty of NFC teams to root for before having to cheer for the vikes.


Actually I didnt' bring up the childish behavior and I rarely wonder about it although we all witness plenty of it. You brought it up a couple posts above, and it was only after you pointed it out to another poster that I decided to point out another example.

I completely disagree with your last paragraph. I know several diehard Packer fans who will now be rooting for MN now that Green Bay has been eliminated. I know some find it hard to believe that not every Packer fan hates the Vikings and Brett Favre; I've never bought into it.

Yes! Way to stand up for yourself B. To set yourself aside from all Packer fans that reduce themselves to hatred. How pathetic such Packer fans are.

You know who you are. Your hatred diminishes you as a person and an NFL fan. I believe that your responsible for your own karma.

Green Bay Packers one and out. Does your hatred deserve more?

[ThunderDan]

Yes! Way to stand up for yourself B. To set yourself aside from all Packer fans that reduce themselves to hatred. How pathetic such Packer fans are.

You know who you are. Your hatred diminishes you as a person and an NFL fan. I believe that your responsible for your own karma.

Green Bay Packers one and out. Does your hatred deserve more?

WOW! Put your tinfoil hat back on!

[Packers4Ever]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."























And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

[woodbuck27]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."























And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

Bang on post.

Those of us that elect to remain civil and sane in how we approach the whole Brett Favre fiasco and in terms of our love for the game of football and the NFL as a whole will always be the winners.

I cannot write GO PACK GO for next weekend but I'll sure be pulling for the Vikings to defeat the Cowboys come 1 O'Clock Eastern this Sunday. Noone can take that away from me. :D

[Bossman641]

Yes! Way to stand up for yourself B. To set yourself aside from all Packer fans that reduce themselves to hatred. How pathetic such Packer fans are.

You know who you are. Your hatred diminishes you as a person and an NFL fan. I believe that your responsible for your own karma.

Green Bay Packers one and out. Does your hatred deserve more?

WOW! Put your tinfoil hat back on!

It never fails.

Packer fans hate on former Packer, current Viking QB Brett Favre. Supporters run to his aid and tell us how pathetic and awful we are for hating. They proceed to hate on us instead.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.Wrong on all 3 points, but I'm not gonna get into the back and forth with you on it Ty, I've seen how those end(or don't end) with you.
My friends and I were all cheering hard for the Pack to win on Sunday, and like I've said before, when Favre leaves Min they can lose every game as far as I care.
Its kinda like kids in a divorce..do we have to pick one over the other(there is no way a normal person can love/like 2 things at the same time....does not compute..does not compute...blam! :) )
I think Mobb might have it right when he says "evolve" past the hatred and name calling. I've gotten past the dislike for TT and see how he has gotten our Packers heading in the right direction.
It's ok to be conlflicted...You can love 2 things at the same time..EVOLVE...its not the end,its just football...Favre will retire soon and I don't believe any Favre fans will be converted to purple passion..like Bretsky said, I too know of many diehard Pack fans rooting for Favre now.

Evolve? LOL

More like devolve. You prove it by your statements. You worship favre and not a team. The vikings can lose after favre is gone? LOL

The sport is about teams, not about players...to bad you don't understand that, but i guess all the stern marketing of the NBA and how it affected the NFL has just fucked you up.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Yes! Way to stand up for yourself B. To set yourself aside from all Packer fans that reduce themselves to hatred. How pathetic such Packer fans are.

You know who you are. Your hatred diminishes you as a person and an NFL fan. I believe that your responsible for your own karma.

Green Bay Packers one and out. Does your hatred deserve more?

WOW! Put your tinfoil hat back on!

Woody removed it? When? :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."























And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

[hoosier]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."























And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

What's wrong with rooting for Darren Sharper? He plays for the Saints now. :lol:

[MJZiggy]

You make a compelling argument, Hoosier!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."















And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

What's wrong with rooting for Darren Sharper? He plays for the Saints now. :lol:

Exactly my point. Where are all the sharper fans posting for us to root for him.

[ThunderDan]

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

Go Saints, Go Darren!!!

[Administrator]

Yes! Way to stand up for yourself B. To set yourself aside from all Packer fans that reduce themselves to hatred. How pathetic such Packer fans are.

You know who you are. Your hatred diminishes you as a person and an NFL fan. I believe that your responsible for your own karma.

Green Bay Packers one and out. Does your hatred deserve more?

WOW! Put your tinfoil hat back on!

Knock it off Dan.

[Scott Campbell]

Those of us that elect to remain civil and sane in how we approach the whole Brett Favre fiasco and in terms of our love for the game of football and the NFL as a whole will always be the winners.



Very classy. :roll:

[Joemailman]

Go Tony Romo of Burlington, Wisconsin!!

[Bretsky]

Never bought into any of this much. Green Bay has been eliminated. If you cheer against the Packers to win I might question somebody as a Packer fan...but they are done.

You wanna cheer for Jim Leonard; cheer for the Jets. Fine by me
Wanna cheer for Romo; cheer for the Cowboys; fine by me
Wanna cheer for Sharper; cheer for the Saints; fine by me
Wanna cheer for Favre and Longwell; cheer for the Vikes; fine by me
Wanna hate any of those above; fine by me

And I'm not above or below anybody else in here, nor am I qualified to judge anybody as a Packer fan...based on the above

[ThunderDan]

Yes! Way to stand up for yourself B. To set yourself aside from all Packer fans that reduce themselves to hatred. How pathetic such Packer fans are.

You know who you are. Your hatred diminishes you as a person and an NFL fan. I believe that your responsible for your own karma.

Green Bay Packers one and out. Does your hatred deserve more?

WOW! Put your tinfoil hat back on!

Knock it off Dan.

10-4, over and out!

[Scott Campbell]

I'll be rooting for Bert to humiliate himself on national tv this weekend, because he deserves it. All his enablers and excuse makers deserve it. The Vikings deserve it. But I'm not sure he will. He's playing really well this year.

[HowardRoark]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."















And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

What's wrong with rooting for Darren Sharper? He plays for the Saints now. :lol:

Exactly my point. Where are all the sharper fans posting for us to root for him.

Remember Darrell Bevell's run in the Rose Bowl?

[HowardRoark]

[quote:c7c706688e="Joemailman"]Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."















And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

What's wrong with rooting for Darren Sharper? He plays for the Saints now. :lol:

Exactly my point. Where are all the sharper fans posting for us to root for him.

Remember Darrell Bevell's run in the Rose Bowl?[/quote:c7c706688e]

And how well Brad Childress ran the offense. Hand off the ball many, many times....and then TE in the flat,

That was a kick ass offense.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

[quote:d653386b4e="Packerarcher"][quote:d653386b4e="Joemailman"]Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."















And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

What's wrong with rooting for Darren Sharper? He plays for the Saints now. :lol:

Exactly my point. Where are all the sharper fans posting for us to root for him.

Remember Darrell Bevell's run in the Rose Bowl?[/quote:d653386b4e]

And how well Brad Childress ran the offense. Hand off the ball many, many times....and then TE in the flat,

That was a kick ass offense.[/quote:d653386b4e]

Chilly didn't run the offense. BA ran the offense. Chilly merely executed the orders BA gave.

[gex]

Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."

And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.Wrong on all 3 points, but I'm not gonna get into the back and forth with you on it Ty, I've seen how those end(or don't end) with you.
My friends and I were all cheering hard for the Pack to win on Sunday, and like I've said before, when Favre leaves Min they can lose every game as far as I care.
Its kinda like kids in a divorce..do we have to pick one over the other(there is no way a normal person can love/like 2 things at the same time....does not compute..does not compute...blam! :) )
I think Mobb might have it right when he says "evolve" past the hatred and name calling. I've gotten past the dislike for TT and see how he has gotten our Packers heading in the right direction.
It's ok to be conlflicted...You can love 2 things at the same time..EVOLVE...its not the end,its just football...Favre will retire soon and I don't believe any Favre fans will be converted to purple passion..like Bretsky said, I too know of many diehard Pack fans rooting for Favre now.

Evolve? LOL

More like devolve. You prove it by your statements. You worship favre and not a team. The vikings can lose after favre is gone? LOL

The sport is about teams, not about players...to bad you don't understand that, but i guess all the stern marketing of the NBA and how it affected the NFL has just fucked you up.ok

[BallHawk]

New page bump.

[Administrator]

both sides of this psycho debate are entitled to think whatever they want and to "feel" whatever they want.

When this discussion devolves into personal insults directed at a particular person or group of people I'll step in.

If it continues, I'll shut the thread down, and there won't be another one.

I've given great latitude to the debate, (which should have ended 2 years ago), but this is getting past pathetic.

Root for who you want, or root against who you want, but stop insulting each other in the process.

[Bretsky]

Just some random thoughts

A good couple years ago PR was ambushed with too much Favre stuff. While it was never really mandated, pressure and common sense led to most of the posting about Favre in this thread. Good intentions as there were too many flame wars.

Originally I think those that would have preferred to cheer for Favre were in here more it seemed and some even hinted that this should be a thread more for the fans and less for people who detested the guy.

As time wore on it seems to me more and more people who detested the guy came in here, and more flame wars occured in this thread.

I completely agree there is no need at all for personal insults.

I also think there is no need to judge any fan based on his viewpoints regarding Brett Favre, Javon Walker, or anybody else for that manner.

I'd hate for this thread to be closed down because it's turned into what many did not want it to be turned into.

I'm think there would be a portion that would love to see it closed down forever so the threat of even doing so might spur some on to try to make that occur.

Some clearly don't want to read about Favre or his accomplishments anymore; perhaps the solution is that group should stop reading this thread in hopes that this would turn into a positive thread with less confrontation.

Or, go back to what some originally thought this thread would turn into...a one stop spot for people who support him to post so multiple threads are not being made in the football forum about him.

Just my thoughts

[Administrator]

I'm think there would be a portion that would love to see it closed down forever so the threat of even doing so might spur some on to try to make that occur.



Any clear attempts at this won't work. They'll join partial and the thread will continue.

Bretsky, the issue is on both sides of the fence. both sides have devolved to insults. that tells me that there is nothing left to talk about.... but hey that's me.

if it were one sided, I'd have dealt with it differently but it isn't.

[packerbacker1234]

I sort of cheer for my division first, NFC, then whoever.

Like when the bears and sexy rexy were in the super bowl a few years back.

1. Rather see the bears win a ring then Peyton Manning.
2. A win secures, most likely, Sexy Rexy as teh future QB for the bears
3. It's a love hate relationship.

Super Bowl wins by teams in our division make our division look better. The better our division looks, the more it means next season when you beat division oponents.

Aka: Once the pack is out, I don't think it's shameful to root for the vikings, or any other team in the playoffs. It is what it is. I like AP, I like Favre. I like LT and Philip Rivers. I don't like Romo and Dallas. (almost by default). I like drew brees, but hate reggie bush. I like the Jets D and Thomas Jones - I don't like Mark Sanchez.

I have reasons to like and hate every team from here to the Super Bowl, and really I don't think your less of a packer fan if now you cheer for a Favre lead vikings team. the reasons to cheer are obvious: We are mostly cheering for Favre, and are we not allowed to without being rediculed? Yeah, some of us still like the guy who became a HOF QB playing 16 years for the pack. Just like I am sure some ram fans still like Kurt Warner and are cheering on the cardinals. Or back when Joe Montana was shown the door in san fran and played for Kansas City. I am sure many a niners fan cheered him on.

It's more or less to me: My way of showing my appreciation for him as a player. He is exciting to watch, and I still enjoy him on the field. I am sour about how both sides handled things 2 years ago, but that doesn't mean I am anti-rodgers. I am not, we are very lucky to have AR. He is our present and future, and we will continue to a build a championship team around him.

The point is: Let people cheer for who they want to cheer for. As long as we cheer for packers firfst, who cares who we cheer for second? If the packers and vikings were playing this weekend, no doubt we all root for the packers right?

[denverYooper]

This just popped up in my Tweets.



RT @JuddZulgad: Favre: "I see us sitting here next week having this press conf. again. If that doesn't happen, to me it will be a shock."


Hot Damn!

[MOBB DEEP]

This just popped up in my Tweets.



RT @JuddZulgad: Favre: "I see us sitting here next week having this press conf. again. If that doesn't happen, to me it will be a shock."


Hot Damn!

Whatsup dY?

Thats not a good look....Dayum...! Shut your mouth for one Bretty, ramble like a girl too much...no offense female posters

[MichiganPackerFan]

Shut your mouth for one Bretty, ramble like a girl too much...

That's great!! Strongly thinking about making this my signature...

[gex]

Just some random thoughts

A good couple years ago PR was ambushed with too much Favre stuff. While it was never really mandated, pressure and common sense led to most of the posting about Favre in this thread. Good intentions as there were too many flame wars.

Originally I think those that would have preferred to cheer for Favre were in here more it seemed and some even hinted that this should be a thread more for the fans and less for people who detested the guy.

As time wore on it seems to me more and more people who detested the guy came in here, and more flame wars occured in this thread.

I completely agree there is no need at all for personal insults.

I also think there is no need to judge any fan based on his viewpoints regarding Brett Favre, Javon Walker, or anybody else for that manner.

I'd hate for this thread to be closed down because it's turned into what many did not want it to be turned into.

I'm think there would be a portion that would love to see it closed down forever so the threat of even doing so might spur some on to try to make that occur.

Some clearly don't want to read about Favre or his accomplishments anymore; perhaps the solution is that group should stop reading this thread in hopes that this would turn into a positive thread with less confrontation.

Or, go back to what some originally thought this thread would turn into...a one stop spot for people who support him to post so multiple threads are not being made in the football forum about him.

Just my thoughts

That is about as dead on as a post can get :tup:

[HowardRoark]

[quote:8ffdd12612="gex"][quote:8ffdd12612="Packerarcher"][quote:8ffdd12612="Joemailman"]Gex battling Packerarcher for Troll Of The Year.

Why I am flattered,I didn't think anyone had noticed. Get over it people,just because I see without G&G tinted glasses does not make me a troll. I am a realist,and I call them like I see em.

Kids these days :(
I write this,
"Well, now that the conflict of the Packers and Favre both in the playoffs are no longer an issue, everyone should feel free to root for the Packers all time record holder to get himself another ring and finally ride off into the sunset."















And get childish name calling in return :oops:

Because you wrote a childish post. Get over yourself and stop bringing up Bert.

If you can't see that just because the Pack lost that the conflict isn't an issue then you are clueless.

Hint: Bert plays for the vikings. Nobody hear wants to root for the vikings.

What the title of this thread again?
Why are you (or anyone for that matter) even opening the Favre thread if you cant stand to read about him?
Does anyone have a logical answer to that?

The thread is titled Bert favre.
That doesn't mean you can be childish and not expect to get called on it.
Who said we can't stand to read about him. Who said this thread was supposed to be a positive thread? this thread was about feelings one way or the other about him.

If you want logic, what logic is there in rooting for a vikings QB and team to win a SuperBowl if you are a pack fan.


Talk about childish and pathetic, a bunch of grown ups (boys, I assume) You guys still haven't figured out WHAT you want ? I was messed up for a while too, until I realized I still loved the Pack - but following that, I was still a Brett Favre fan too and probably always will be. So far it "works" for me.

So today I am sad that we lost to the Cards yesterday, shouldn't have - but
if our Pack can't go on, Brett can - with the Vikes' help. Moreso Brett's of course.
Good Luck in your search for an answer, hope you all retain your sanity. :roll: I'll check back in a month or so.
:wink:

WE have figured out what we want. The pack to win. You haven't. You are rooting for a team and a player on another squad. How fucked up is that.

It is asinine. Should pack fans also be darren sharper fans, longwell fans, etc.

Should Ty post, "hey pack is out, but now you can root for sharper."

What's wrong with rooting for Darren Sharper? He plays for the Saints now. :lol:

Exactly my point. Where are all the sharper fans posting for us to root for him.

Remember Darrell Bevell's run in the Rose Bowl?[/quote:8ffdd12612]

And how well Brad Childress ran the offense. Hand off the ball many, many times....and then TE in the flat,

That was a kick ass offense.[/quote:8ffdd12612]

Chilly didn't run the offense. BA ran the offense. Chilly merely executed the orders BA gave.[/quote:8ffdd12612]

He was a chauffeur for Barry's orders? Now he takes orders from Brett? I am starting to feel a little pity for Brad.

He is a kick ass chauffeur.

http://middleburgfolkartstudio.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/tn2_driving_miss_daisy_2.jpg

[GrnBay007]

Just some random thoughts

A good couple years ago PR was ambushed with too much Favre stuff. While it was never really mandated, pressure and common sense led to most of the posting about Favre in this thread. Good intentions as there were too many flame wars.

Originally I think those that would have preferred to cheer for Favre were in here more it seemed and some even hinted that this should be a thread more for the fans and less for people who detested the guy.

As time wore on it seems to me more and more people who detested the guy came in here, and more flame wars occured in this thread.

I completely agree there is no need at all for personal insults.

I also think there is no need to judge any fan based on his viewpoints regarding Brett Favre, Javon Walker, or anybody else for that manner.

I'd hate for this thread to be closed down because it's turned into what many did not want it to be turned into.

I'm think there would be a portion that would love to see it closed down forever so the threat of even doing so might spur some on to try to make that occur.

Some clearly don't want to read about Favre or his accomplishments anymore; perhaps the solution is that group should stop reading this thread in hopes that this would turn into a positive thread with less confrontation.

Or, go back to what some originally thought this thread would turn into...a one stop spot for people who support him to post so multiple threads are not being made in the football forum about him.

Just my thoughts

:tup:

[GrnBay007]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

[SnakeLH2006]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

Nice stats 007. Brett is still a beast at 40. Now that the Packers are out of it, I'll root for Brett getting ring #2. I'm a HUGE ARod/Packer fan, but always loved Brett (love seeing him play), as there's not many players in sports I've loved watching play (knowing you won't get to see the same caliber/type of play again)...Jordan, Favre, Gretsky, Montana, Neon Deion, Mike Tyson, Paul Molitor (loved that guy with the Brew and Jays for clutch plays)...

I don't care that most will hate hearing about Brett. Arod proved EVERYTHING to Snake when that OL got solved up and he started playing it safe in the 2nd half of 2009, as he's really, really good and love ARod, but still love some Brett Favre. His mechanics/mannerisms/leadership/charisma set him apart from the greats....and just love to watch him. This isn't a list of BEST EVER, but the guys I most loved watching play. I enjoy seeing Favre play, esp. at an MVP level at 40. I'll root for him to win a SuperBowl this year. That guy is amazingly fun to watch, even on a rival.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

[Patler]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

That's the part I do not understand. Coach after coach tried to get Favre to take better care of the ball, and it didn't sink in until he was 40. Did his season with the Jets finally get it through to him? Did getting rejected by two teams in two successive years finally open his eyes?

What might have happened in some of the Packer seasons, and some of the packer playoff games if he would have taken more of the approach that he took this year.

For all of the stats he racked up as a Packer, I never felt he was as good of a QB as he could have been. This year, as a Viking, might be his best.

[Packerarcher]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

[Bossman641]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though :roll:

[Gunakor]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

As usual, Packerarcher calls out another poster for being unconstructive without adding anything constructive himself.

Instead of trying to bait him into a fight with you, why don't you tell us all why he's wrong?

[MichiganPackerFan]

For all of the stats he racked up as a Packer, I never felt he was as good of a QB as he could have been. This year, as a Viking, might be his best.

I think this is the core issue of why I was/am so pissed at him about the whole situation. I feel he didn't care enough to put 100% in until he was playing for a bitter rival.

[MOBB DEEP]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though :roll:

LOL...Ty's so transparent! Patler pretty much said the same thing as TY but notice the different "tone" and thoughtful approach, thus intent

U are smart Bossy so i KNOW you see the difference

It's NO big to me though so I should stay out of it; i continue to think Ty is funny and this forum, afterall, is ENTERTAINMENT

[MOBB DEEP]

For all of the stats he racked up as a Packer, I never felt he was as good of a QB as he could have been. This year, as a Viking, might be his best.

I think this is the core issue of why I was/am so pissed at him about the whole situation. I feel he didn't care enough to put 100% in until he was playing for a bitter rival.

Even though u jumped ship on our boy :cry: you continue to express similar thoughts to mine

Good post Patler.

Madtown can attest to the fact that I used to be the BIGGEST bert basher over at JSO; explaining that you're toughest on the one's you love. We debated fiercly about favre's boneheaded plays; I couldnt understand why, with all his skills and intangibles, he committed SO many errors

Now, is it possilble that revenge motivated him to finally become more cerebral? Quite possibly as we ALL know it can be a great motivator, like a woman scorned, right 007? :wink:

I wrote a LONG post yesterday that i wasnt able to submit because I hadnt refreshed the whatchamacallit in time.... :evil: ....while i was my usual preachy self I also included some things even those with hardend hearts could appreciate. I will try to summon up the desire to rewrite it this weekend

In essence, Im still not satisfied with the rationale that packer "nation" has used for their disdain for Bretty

I asked if someone, without evil words or "intent," can at long last explain why favre is such a villain in ur minds. arrogant like at least 75% of pro athletes and millionaires? spoiled by the way WE treat him and other sports figures? Selfish, like everyone but Jesus? i KNOW im a wretch undone so i TRY not to place standards on others

Its HARD but we should not judge others by standards we dont, or even attempt to, live up to ourselves. who here WOULDNT do what lane kiffin did, improve his career. All the backlash he's experiencing from the Vols fans who will graduate and fall right in line with the go-for-self mentality of upwardly mobil ppl in the USA...would they cry for him if he was fired?? Hate the game not the player...harsh reality in this fallen world

who here HASNT done worse things than bart when no one's watching? to me his whoring on deanna is MUCH worse than anything he's done to packer "nation!" but i bet some of you wish u coulda been with the hotties in the hot tubs instead of chewy regardless if u're married. who here doesnt have at least a lil envy about those bombshells Tiger swings with?

But how dare bretty want to play for a contender, make millions, prove he still has it, and do what he knows best while still young in life! Some here might care more about the Pack (ppl they will NEVER come into contact with)than they do their fam members or their ailing neighbor. Not judging because I fall short in MANY areas. jus sayn....perspective is needed about ENTERTAINMENT!

Ask yourSELF though, because it's REAL easy to pontificate on a forum about another's bad deeds and feign moralism

Darnit, I digressed again! I know this isnt the forum for real talk but hard to seprate my faith from anything I do rather good or bad, business or ENTERTAINMENT

Basically, what standards did you place on favre that he didnt live up to that has you hating him? he's a mere man; girlie man at that with all those darn mood swings and emotional pressers..."i just dont know if i want to" :cry: :cry: :cry:

[MichiganPackerFan]

Nice post there Mobb!!

[ThunderDan]

Nice post Mobb. I truely mean it and am not being sarcastic.

I started to write a response to point out the other side but it has been done so many times I just stopped and deleted what I was writing.

And I know I have never done anything like BF in my life. I didn't want to be in the hottub with Chewy and as much fun as sleeping with 14 different women would be like TW I am very happy with my life being married.

[Gunakor]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

[CaptainKickass]

Seems like a good time to hoist up the 'ol middle finger and wave it in the general direction of Minnesota, Favre & the Vikings.

Nothing in football would please me more than to see GrandFavre and the Vikes choke it up on Sunday like every other Viking playoff team.

And I absolutely hate Dallas.

[Patler]

Mobb;

I don't hate Favre, but then again I never loved the man either. (Lets forget the whole, "love all of mankind" discussion. You know that's not what I am talking about.). I have always had a stronger personal feeling for the organization, what it has accomplished and what it provides the state, than I have ever had for any individual player on the team. Once they are gone, they don't mean much to me. The team entertains me as much in its operations during the off season as the players do on the field during the season.

Favre was always just an entertainer for me, one that I came to mistrust in big situations the last half of his career in GB. I was very vocal about it throughout the Sherman years. Basically, I was one who was of the opinion that Favre manipulated Sherman more than Sherman controlled Favre.

I have written for the last two years that I believed Favre was scheming to get out of Green Bay since right after McCarthy arrived. His attitude toward Thompson changed after Sherman was fired and McCarthy arrived. Favre's actions began separating from his words. He had a new goal.

I have always suspected that much of the off-season melodramas each year, which were set-up by Favre with comments during the season, were just an act, intended to garner sympathy, play on fans' emotions, gain leverage with the team. When it backfired on him two years ago, from what I observed I formed an opinion that he became vindictive, deceitful and untrustworthy in negotiations. Without knowing him, I began to dislike him because he appeared untrustworthy to me. He is the exact type of individual I would never chose to enter into a business relationship with.

As for envying the pro athletes' lifestyles? Not me. Not ever. I will confess to frailties of man and having coveted their financial where with all, but never the women, never the meaningless possessions, never the late nights partying. Particularly with respect to women, I was not that way before I was married and it has never crossed my mind since I married at age 22. I can't understand what drives a single man to that lifestyle, and I understand it even less for Tiger Woods, Mark Chmura or my married neighbor down the street.

So, envy the pro athletes? Not hardly.

[packerbacker1234]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

[Patler]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

To be honest, not being there, it is hard to know anything for sure. I look at keys, such as Favre standing by and chatting with Thompson often the first year, often referring to "Ted", etc. A year or two later he often said "the team" "the front office", "management" or similar terms when referring to Thompson. When I noticed he referred to "Ted" less often, I suspected a differing relationship. This followed his open lobbying for Sherman to be kept, and his veiled threat the last month of Sherman's last season that he (Favre) didn't want to and might not be willing to play for a new coach at that stage of his career.

TT got the Packers to the NFC Championship game in his third year. That's when Favre jumped ship. The last few trips to the playoffs under Sherman they got in almost by default due to a weak NFC North. They were never really considered a strong competitor in the playoffs, and Favre should have realized that. He didn't give TT much of a chance, he butted heads with him, even after TT's way showed success.

I don't buy the comparison to NE. What significant offensive help did NE bringing in in 2005-07 other than Moss, who TT tried hard to get as well? I'm really asking, I don't recall any, but may have forgotten.

[Bossman641]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

To be honest, not being there, it is hard to know anything for sure. I look at keys, such as Favre standing by and chatting with Thompson often the first year, often referring to "Ted", etc. A year or two later he often said "the team" "the front office", "management" or similar terms when referring to Thompson. When I noticed he referred to "Ted" less often, I suspected a differing relationship. This followed his open lobbying for Sherman to be kept, and his veiled threat the last month of Sherman's last season that he (Favre) didn't want to and might not be willing to play for a new coach at that stage of his career.

TT got the Packers to the NFC Championship game in his third year. That's when Favre jumped ship. The last few trips to the playoffs under Sherman they got in almost by default due to a weak NFC North. They were never really considered a strong competitor in the playoffs, and Favre should have realized that. He didn't give TT much of a chance, he butted heads with him, even after TT's way showed success.

I don't buy the comparison to NE. What significant offensive help did NE bringing in in 2005-07 other than Moss, who TT tried hard to get as well? I'm really asking, I don't recall any, but may have forgotten.

Patriots brought in Moss, Welker, and Gaffney all in the same offseason - dramatically improving their WR corps. Honestly, hearing that complaint bugs me though. Prior to 2007 Brady had about the sorriest group of WR around.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

It is funny coming back and watching others smack you down.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though :roll:

LOL...Ty's so transparent! Patler pretty much said the same thing as TY but notice the different "tone" and thoughtful approach, thus intent

U are smart Bossy so i KNOW you see the difference

It's NO big to me though so I should stay out of it; i continue to think Ty is funny and this forum, afterall, is ENTERTAINMENT

Ty had no intent..other than to post what Ty thinks.

Bert pisses Ty off..that ain't stirring the pot.

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Patler]

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though :roll:

LOL...Ty's so transparent! Patler pretty much said the same thing as TY but notice the different "tone" and thoughtful approach, thus intent

U are smart Bossy so i KNOW you see the difference

It's NO big to me though so I should stay out of it; i continue to think Ty is funny and this forum, afterall, is ENTERTAINMENT

Ty had no intent..other than to post what Ty thinks.

Bert pisses Ty off..that ain't stirring the pot.

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Does that mean I'm on my way?! :shock:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

That is a rewriting of history. Excluding the 4-12 season, Bert enjoyed success with TT. 8-8 and then 13-3.

And, we did get FA help..or don't you count Pickett, Woodson, etc. as help.

[Scott Campbell]

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.


I'm not so sure about that. If he wins a Superbowl this year, he might remember his Grand Finale and sticking it to his nemesis more than anything else.

[MJZiggy]

I agree with Patler's assessment. Remember it was over this particular period that Favre went from being a "Packer for Life" to forcing his way to arguably our biggest rival--intently. It HAD to be the Vikings. Why not the Saints or Cards?

And I share Ty's irritation that he couldn't be reigned in for the Packers, nor for the Jets, but the minute he's playing against us, he plays the best he's ever played. Why weren't we worth that kind of discipline and effort?

The other problem that I have at the moment is arrogance. I hate Belichick's arrogance and Jerry Jones and the whole Cowboy's aura (era) of arrogance. Favre's grit and determination has shifted. He's changed. He's not the Favre I loved having on my team.

[esoxx]

It HAD to be the Vikings. Why not the Saints or Cards?



Drew Brees and Kurt Warner?

[MOBB DEEP]

And I know I have never done anything like BF in my life. I didn't want to be in the hottub with Chewy and as much fun as sleeping with 14 different women would be like TW I am very happy with my life being married.

Are u serious??

good for you bro

even today nearing my 40s i have brief desires to have any woman I want in spite of the fact that i have a REAL Queen in my life; even married ones or ppl's mothers. thats MY struggle; lust of the eyes and flesh

just imagine being able to do and have whatever u want! granted it leads only to temp satisfaction and not fulfilment of the soul but how many things do we do that fit that category anyway? e.g., buy a new car and a year later u want something "better"

im truly happy for you if you are completly content with wifey and dont fantasize about others. thats rare because as the book "Every man's battle" points out, its in our nature (not spirit) to lust - google the book men; its powerful and was the impetus for the small group i belong to at church. personally, i would NEVR cheat on wifey. but maybe (subconsciously)thats why im not married...hmmm....

Mj, hard for me to take the position that it "had" to be a rival when he emphatically said he wanted to compete in packers camp that year. feel me? vikes and any other team was his SECOND choice

NO WAY im gonna sit here and say i would never have done what brett or kiffin did career-wise. im happy to be gainfully employed but they have options i wouldnt mind having

good posts and discussion all, especially Patler....i remember you sayn some things just didnt know how strongly u felt

all i desire is a civil talk about this...lets not let some hicks decison have us flaming each other. WE had no control. only he and packer brass did

[MJZiggy]

Mj, hard for me to take the position that it "had" to be a rival when he emphatically said he wanted to compete in packers camp that year. feel me? vikes and any other team was his SECOND choice


all i desire is a civil talk about this...lets not let some hicks decison have us flaming each other. WE had no control. only he and packer brass did

Think back a bit and remember the problem with him competing in camp. As I recall the offer to compete was there but there was a small glitch with it...

[Cheesehead Craig]

Go Tony Romo of Burlington, Wisconsin!!

I'll root for my hometown boy!

[LEWCWA]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

[Administrator]

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

didn't you tell everybody that there was no hell? :lol:

[GrnBay007]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

Not only that, but people here are looking at it from a fan perspective only. That's much different from the business side of things. AND.....a reminder to all, there are only 2 or 3 people that know exactly how things went down back then. Everyone would like their idea of how it went down to be the right one, but really, we don't know and probably never will. It's just time to accept it and move on. Really, no need to put a negative spin on things to feel better. It is what it is and I think if he had the choice he would have liked to end his career as a Packer. Maybe on his own terms.....which wasn't an option anymore, but I truly believe he would have like to retire.......ON TOP, as a Packer.

[Gunakor]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

No fucking way. Look, they play in one of the worst venues in all of sport in front of one of the worst fan bases in all of sport. They do it all wearing purple. And above all else, they are the enemy. Fuck that noise. Maybe you don't understand, and that's fine.

[GrnBay007]

Back to the question of why his numbers were not that good as a Packer....seriously, who knows? I don't buy the answer that quit trying for the Packers. Maybe getting so close to the SB in 2007 made a big impact on him. Maybe MM saying they are moving on made a big impact on him. There were a lot of years with the Packers it appeared he felt he needed (and he did) to put the team on his back and carry them. Maybe getting chased by a team that told him all he needed to do was manage the game felt right....at his age...who were good and appeared to be a step away from the SB. Granted it didn't actually work out that way because AP didn't do as well this year.........but really WE don't know why. It just sucks reading that people actually think BF wasn't putting forth his best effort as a Packer. Maybe it wasn't really his best effort....but maybe the best effort he was able to at that time, with the players there and the relationship with the bosses.

[Gunakor]

I think he had a little extra fuel for his effort this year than he's ever had before. He finally got what he wanted. Where he wanted. If he fails, then what was all of this about for him in the first place? It's more than winning for him now. It's being right. It's knowing he made the right decision. He didn't have that powerful motivator as a Packer, and it's benefits are evident this year.

[GrnBay007]

He finally got what he wanted. Where he wanted.

I don't agree with that if you mean he had been planning this for some time. Things fell into place, IMO.....after a bitter departure from the Pack.


It's more than winning for him now. It's being right. It's knowing he made the right decision.

This is the part I don't understand. What you said above is no more than human nature. It's the competitive nature, not only in sports but in the business world and could be with any of our chosen fields. I just don't understand hating someone for that.

[Gunakor]

He finally got what he wanted. Where he wanted.

I don't agree with that if you mean he had been planning this for some time. Things fell into place, IMO.....after a bitter departure from the Pack.


It's more than winning for him now. It's being right. It's knowing he made the right decision.

This is the part I don't understand. What you said above is no more than human nature. It's the competitive nature, not only in sports but in the business world and could be with any of our chosen fields. I just don't understand hating someone for that.

Having been planned or not is completely irrelevant. Do you dispute that he wanted to be a Viking even before the trade to the Jets? Even if it didn't work out the way he wanted, in the end he got exactly what he wanted. He's a Viking, just like he envisioned in the summer of 2008. Doesn't matter that everything didn't go according to plan.

I don't hate him for wanting to be right. I hate him because he's a goddamn Viking. I'm hoping like hell he's wrong. I never ever ever want to see those purple fucks to the west win OUR trophy. And it sickens me that one of OUR legends is trying to hand it to them. That is plenty enough reason to hate.

In any case, that was the answer to the question posed here. Why is it that Brett is playing the best football of his career this year? Why couldn't he do this for the Packers? Because it's about more than football to him now. It's about being right. That's bigger than football. Bigger than winning even. While he was a Packer he never had to prove himself right, he just had to go out and play football.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

didn't you tell everybody that there was no hell? :lol:

are you really that obtuse?

The expression works whether it is real or a metaphor. Jesus.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though :roll:

LOL...Ty's so transparent! Patler pretty much said the same thing as TY but notice the different "tone" and thoughtful approach, thus intent

U are smart Bossy so i KNOW you see the difference

It's NO big to me though so I should stay out of it; i continue to think Ty is funny and this forum, afterall, is ENTERTAINMENT

Ty had no intent..other than to post what Ty thinks.

Bert pisses Ty off..that ain't stirring the pot.

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Does that mean I'm on my way?! :shock:

This thread is hell. You are already in hell. :wink:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty wants to make sure all the favre lovers actually understand. Ty didn't say packers couldn't control Bert...MM only.

Bert clearly had the ability to protect the ball, and he was "reached" by Holmgren.

Look back at his int% under holmgren and it is good. But, after Holmgren left, his int % rose. Not until MM did we see a return of the semi careful Bert...that we last saw in 02.

But, even then, he never reached the 2.3/2.4 that we saw under Holmgren. QBs are suppose to learn and get more careful, not get worse as they get older.

4.8% in Shermy's last season, 4.2% under Mangini. Coincidence..right. :roll:

[Patler]

Really, no need to put a negative spin on things to feel better. It is what it is and I think if he had the choice he would have liked to end his career as a Packer. Maybe on his own terms.....which wasn't an option anymore, but I truly believe he would have like to retire.......ON TOP, as a Packer.

..or, alternatively from another perspective:

Really, no need to put a positive spin on things to feel better. It is what it is and I think if he had the choice he would have left Green Bay a year or two earlier than he did, for a team that ran a Sherman-like offense he was familiar with, like the Vikings. Maybe on his own terms.....which wasn't an option at that time, but I truly believe he simply was no longer happy in Green Bay under McCarthy and wanted to play a few more years somewhere else.
:lol: :lol:

You see, that scenario doesn't make me angry, it doesn't make me happy. It simply fits what I observed to be facts (rightly or wrongly). It answers all of my questions.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Favre no longer being happy in, or fulfilled by Green Bay. There is nothing inherently wrong with him wanting to play for the Vikings (unless it was based only on spite). In the business world, long time employees often leave an employer that did well by them for decades. Sometimes they leave for a "hated" rival in the same field. My only issue is how they go about achieving that change. Sometimes employees have unexpired non-compete clauses which prevent them from doing what they really want to do. In effect, that's what Favre's contract was with the Packers. An unexpired non-compete contract for which he had been paid very, very well. I don't particularly respect how Favre went about getting what he wanted, getting out of the non-compete provisions.

To be honest, expressing that doesn't make me feel better, just the opposite, it makes me sort of sad.

[Scott Campbell]

It simply fits what I observed to be facts (rightly or wrongly). It answers all of my questions.


You and I perceive the events the same way - except I get a little more worked up about it when people try and portray Bert's move as Ted running him out of town. I think it was terrible the way he threw the organization under the bus. But I understand why he wanted to leave.

[gex]

Those of us that elect to remain civil and sane in how we approach the whole Brett Favre fiasco and in terms of our love for the game of football and the NFL as a whole will always be the winners.

I cannot write GO PACK GO for next weekend but I'll sure be pulling for the Vikings to defeat the Cowboys come 1 O'Clock Eastern this Sunday. No one can take that away from me. :D

I don't understand how anyone outside of Texas could root for the evil empire that is the Cowboys :D

[packerbacker1234]

Why is everyone so insistent that AP is having a bad year?

One could argue this is a great year for AP, especially with all the scoring he is doing.

Carries: 314 (still 300+, which is a lot) Yards: 1,383 (5th best in the NFL) TD: 18 (#1 in the nfl for RB) Rec: 43 (highest in career) Rec Yards: 436

Totals for 2007-2009

2007:

238 Carries, 19 Catches, 1589 Total Yards, 13 TD

2008:

363 Carries, 21 Catches, 1885 Total Yards, 10 TD

2009:

314 Carries, 43 Catches, 1819 Total Yards, 18 TD

Last I checked, AP was picked for the probowl, had almost 1400 yards rushing, and still posted 1800+ yards from scrimmage 2 years straight. He also produce 18 rushing TD's, which is beastly. So Favre's arrival as just needing to be a game manager changed because Adrian is having a down year? In what respect, less carries = less rushing yards? It also equals more catches to make up for it.

Also, the reason they became a pass first team is because favre has simply been that good this year, and it's been that way through most of his career (pass first). In retrospec, favre may be proloning Peterson's career. What do you what, 350+ carries and 1,700 yard seasons for 4 or 5 years, or 1,300 to 1,400 yard seasons, 300 carries, for 10? It's been a great year for AP, second only to last year except less fumbles (7) and way more TD's.

AP has had an astounding year. That is with Favre putting up the numbers he has.

[pbmax]

Why is everyone so insistent that AP is having a bad year?

One could argue this is a great year for AP, especially with all the scoring he is doing.

Carries: 314 (still 300+, which is a lot) Yards: 1,383 (5th best in the NFL) TD: 18 (#1 in the nfl for RB) Rec: 43 (highest in career) Rec Yards: 436

Totals for 2007-2009

2007:

238 Carries, 19 Catches, 1589 Total Yards, 13 TD

2008:

363 Carries, 21 Catches, 1885 Total Yards, 10 TD

2009:

314 Carries, 43 Catches, 1819 Total Yards, 18 TD

Last I checked, AP was picked for the probowl, had almost 1400 yards rushing, and still posted 1800+ yards from scrimmage 2 years straight. He also produce 18 rushing TD's, which is beastly. So Favre's arrival as just needing to be a game manager changed because Adrian is having a down year? In what respect, less carries = less rushing yards? It also equals more catches to make up for it.

Also, the reason they became a pass first team is because favre has simply been that good this year, and it's been that way through most of his career (pass first). In retrospec, favre may be proloning Peterson's career. What do you what, 350+ carries and 1,700 yard seasons for 4 or 5 years, or 1,300 to 1,400 yard seasons, 300 carries, for 10? It's been a great year for AP, second only to last year except less fumbles (7) and way more TD's.

AP has had an astounding year. That is with Favre putting up the numbers he has.
Because his average per carry is down and his O line this year is not run blocking as well as they have previously. Also, he is not the focus of the offense and therefore has fewer game changing highlight runs and more carries grinding out the clock.

[gex]

Why is everyone so insistent that AP is having a bad year?

One could argue this is a great year for AP, especially with all the scoring he is doing.

Carries: 314 (still 300+, which is a lot) Yards: 1,383 (5th best in the NFL) TD: 18 (#1 in the nfl for RB) Rec: 43 (highest in career) Rec Yards: 436

Totals for 2007-2009

2007:

238 Carries, 19 Catches, 1589 Total Yards, 13 TD

2008:

363 Carries, 21 Catches, 1885 Total Yards, 10 TD

2009:

314 Carries, 43 Catches, 1819 Total Yards, 18 TD

Last I checked, AP was picked for the probowl, had almost 1400 yards rushing, and still posted 1800+ yards from scrimmage 2 years straight. He also produce 18 rushing TD's, which is beastly. So Favre's arrival as just needing to be a game manager changed because Adrian is having a down year? In what respect, less carries = less rushing yards? It also equals more catches to make up for it.

Also, the reason they became a pass first team is because favre has simply been that good this year, and it's been that way through most of his career (pass first). In retrospec, favre may be proloning Peterson's career. What do you what, 350+ carries and 1,700 yard seasons for 4 or 5 years, or 1,300 to 1,400 yard seasons, 300 carries, for 10? It's been a great year for AP, second only to last year except less fumbles (7) and way more TD's.

AP has had an astounding year. That is with Favre putting up the numbers he has.

I do not think he is having a down year at all, maybe a little overshadowed, but your stats show that it is definitly not a down year for All Day.

[packerbacker1234]

4.4 ypc is lower then his previous 5+, but a lot of that is the fact they don't have to run it 60% of the time like last season. The more he ran it, the more he had chances to bust big runs. They were also a lower scoring team.

Overall, All Day has been very good this year, and surely responsible in part for the stats Favre has. The vikings are a threat in the air and on the ground. You start doubling WR's, they run it with AP. You stack the box and leave one on one, favre has been picking people apart.

Adrian Peterson and Favre are complementing eachother nicely. And yes, their OL doesn't seem to be as good as it was last year, for whatever reason that may be.

[ThunderDan]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

Bo Schembechler was scouting a player on our HS Football team and said he might be interested in a couple years to see me in maize and blue. I told him not to send the papers. Still have the pictures of Bo and me in a scrapbook.

Barry Alverez pissed me off so much last year that if my son when he gets old enough and plays football I would tell him to go to Mich, Ohio St or somewhere down South.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

Bo Schembechler was scouting a player on our HS Football team and said he might be interested in a couple years to see me in maize and blue. I told him not to send the papers. Still have the pictures of Bo and me in a scrapbook.

Barry Alverez pissed me off so much last year that if my son when he gets old enough and plays football I would tell him to go to Mich, Ohio St or somewhere down South.

The AD pissed you off so much? Over what?

[MOBB DEEP]

about and hour and 15 mins before kickoff

they say berts been REAL business like

95% of the so-called experts are pickn the girls

perhaps, minny will be like NO yesterday and remind folk of how they pretty much earned 1st round bye before hittn a rut in december

LETS GOOOOO.....!!!!

[denverYooper]

95% of the so-called experts are pickn the girls


Well that about seals it then. Might as well give the game to Minny now.

[denverYooper]

Schefter tweeted last night:



We are now 60 minutes away from a Starcaps NFC Championship Game.

[Scott Campbell]

I guess Warner doesn't want to be a diva:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/17/warner-says-retirement-wont-be-a-long-drawn-out-thing/



Kurt Warner isn't planning a Brett Favre-style retirement decision.

"I don't think it will be a long drawn-out thing. I wouldn't want to do that to an organization."





Remember when getting compared to Favre used to be a good thing?

[red]

come on cow pukes

i wanna see bert have one of his patented playoff games against the cowgirls

you remember those? where he shows up and chokes

i'd like to see a 6 pick game today

[MOBB DEEP]

95% of the so-called experts are pickn the girls


Well that about seals it then. Might as well give the game to Minny now.

so they may just be prisoners of the moment? giving dallas and romo a hard time last month and now are procaliming them best in nfl?

[MOBB DEEP]

come on cow pukes

i wanna see bert have one of his patented playoff games against the cowgirls

you remember those? where he shows up and chokes

i'd like to see a 6 pick game today

arnt you old school?

cheering for dallas.... :cry:

[MOBB DEEP]

Schefter tweeted last night:



We are now 60 minutes away from a Starcaps NFC Championship Game.


whats starcaps exactly?

[MOBB DEEP]

actually old school folk prob dislike minny more than us "youngns"

if u loved the pack before brett u prob dislike minny more than those of us who got on board in the 90s and hate the tripletts era of dallas

[denverYooper]

actually old school folk prob dislike minny more than us "youngns"

if u loved the pack before brett u prob dislike minny more than those of us who got on board in the 90s and hate the tripletts era of dallas

The good news is that one of Minnesota and Dallas will lose today :).

[denverYooper]

Schefter tweeted last night:



We are now 60 minutes away from a Starcaps NFC Championship Game.


whats starcaps exactly?

Weight loss supplement of the stars. And the big uglies.

[red]

actually old school folk prob dislike minny more than us "youngns"

if u loved the pack before brett u prob dislike minny more than those of us who got on board in the 90s and hate the tripletts era of dallas

The good news is that one of Minnesota and Dallas will lose today :).

best case is they both somehow lose

maybe one team wins but loses all their players to injury

[denverYooper]

actually old school folk prob dislike minny more than us "youngns"

if u loved the pack before brett u prob dislike minny more than those of us who got on board in the 90s and hate the tripletts era of dallas

The good news is that one of Minnesota and Dallas will lose today :).

best case is they both somehow lose

maybe one team wins but loses all their players to injury

Yeah, I'm just looking for a real physical game. Lots of hard hits. Maybe some late hits out of bounds and a couple of fights. "To the pit with those bloodthirsty sons of whores!"

[Patler]

actually old school folk prob dislike minny more than us "youngns"

if u loved the pack before brett u prob dislike minny more than those of us who got on board in the 90s and hate the tripletts era of dallas

The good news is that one of Minnesota and Dallas will lose today :).

best case is they both somehow lose

maybe one team wins but loses all their players to injury

A win this week and a loss next week will suffice for me!

[MJZiggy]

I was thinking that very same thing, Patler.

[MOBB DEEP]

Schefter tweeted last night:



We are now 60 minutes away from a Starcaps NFC Championship Game.


whats starcaps exactly?

Weight loss supplement of the stars. And the big uglies.

riiiiight, forgot about that...thnx dy

[MOBB DEEP]

actually old school folk prob dislike minny more than us "youngns"

if u loved the pack before brett u prob dislike minny more than those of us who got on board in the 90s and hate the tripletts era of dallas

The good news is that one of Minnesota and Dallas will lose today :).

best case is they both somehow lose

maybe one team wins but loses all their players to injury

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MOBB DEEP]

"To the pit with those bloodthirsty sons of whores!"

i love u

[MJZiggy]

"To the pit with those bloodthirsty sons of whores!"

i love u

You slut. Just the other day you were proposing to me...

[MOBB DEEP]

"To the pit with those bloodthirsty sons of whores!"

i love u

You slut. Just the other day you were proposing to me...

ever heard of down low brothers? if not google

need u both!

[gex]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :lol:

[MJZiggy]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :lol:

Go Tony? Shouldn't you be rooting for the Burlington boy?

[gex]

actually old school folk prob dislike minny more than us "youngns"

if u loved the pack before brett u prob dislike minny more than those of us who got on board in the 90s and hate the tripletts era of dallas

Im a Packer fan since way before the 90's, but those early 90's losses to the cowgirls in the playoffs and reg season really made them the most despised nfl team in my book(and all the arrogance of jerry jones and irving)

[Bretsky]

are we using this for the Cowboyz Vikings game thread ??

If so, key plays coming. Should be a great game

[Bretsky]

Vikes defense looks confused on these passes

[gex]

Boy o boy, I really hope Thee Favre doesn't have a bad game, I really want him to win it all and retire for good 8-)
Not go out with a mistake ridden game.

[Bretsky]

that almost looked like a lateral

[Bretsky]

Boy o boy, I really hope Thee Favre doesn't have a bad game, I really want him to win it all and retire for good 8-)
Not go out with a mistake ridden game.

2nded

3rd and 14; HUGE PLAY

[Bretsky]

FUMBLEROOSKI

[MOBB DEEP]

lets goooo

[gex]

wooohooo

[MOBB DEEP]

FUMBLEROOSKI

lol

this aint oklahoma either

[gex]

They are getting in the backfield pretty easy, keep that up and romo will be SHOOK

[MOBB DEEP]

dang. ware brings it

[MOBB DEEP]

They are getting in the backfield pretty easy, keep that up and romo will be SHOOK

shook daddy...

[Bretsky]

Demarcus Ware..........stud. If Favre didn't duck he was going to get his head taken off

[MOBB DEEP]

+1

[Scott Campbell]

Marion Barber has a swollen sack.

Bursa sack.

[gex]

Fumble!!!!! get it get it

dang

[red]

felix jones is starting to look like that stud many thought he might turn into

cowboys need to hold on to the god damn ball

[Scott Campbell]

Hang onto that damned ball Romo.

[denverYooper]

Romo's a little nervous.

[Scott Campbell]

Crap.

[gex]

miss

[red]

squeezem sucks

why the hell did they sign him?

[Bretsky]

felix jones is starting to look like that stud many thought he might turn into

cowboys need to hold on to the god damn ball


Note to Red's scouts

Felix Jones; sleeper for 2010 :lol:

He might be that RB that explodes next year

[MOBB DEEP]

lets go geezer! nerves should be settled now...bevell, earn your keep

get ball to PERCY!

[gex]

lets go geezer! nerves should be settled now...bevell, earn your keep

get ball to PERCY!
2nd

and maybe a healthy does off AP

[Bretsky]

Right now the Bozy seem stronger on both sides of the trenches

[red]

felix jones is starting to look like that stud many thought he might turn into

cowboys need to hold on to the god damn ball


Note to Red's scouts

Felix Jones; sleeper for 2010 :lol:

He might be that RB that explodes next year

no, i think he'll suck next year and should go undrafted in most leagues 8-)

[MOBB DEEP]

lord

[Bretsky]

TD BABY

[gex]

OMG WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! !~!!!!

[red]

when did the cowboys trade for jarrett bush?

[gex]

THEE FAVRE

[Scott Campbell]

squeezem sucks

why the hell did they sign him?


4th and 1 or a long field go with a guy they just signed off the street? I'd have gone for it.

[MOBB DEEP]

when did the cowboys trade for jarrett bush?

lovn u more each moment :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

when did the cowboys trade for jarrett bush?


And he had it defended initially. Pathetic play.

[MOBB DEEP]

amazn concentration rcie and hangn in theri favre

[Bretsky]

Did Longwell just kick it to the one yard line or am I imagining that ??

[GrnBay007]

Romo looks a lil flustered out there.

[denverYooper]

Ray Edwards is playing well.

[Bretsky]

just like GB.........gotta hit Romo a lot

I miss Jessica Simpson

Think he had to sell his soul to the devil to be hooking up with her and
Carrie Underwood :?: :?:

[denverYooper]

Well, boys are across midfield. Time for a Romo fumble...

[gex]

gotta go for the strip when you hold em up like that

[MOBB DEEP]

bend but dont break...minny has what, 10 yards other than td toss?

[denverYooper]

just like GB.........gotta hit Romo a lot

I miss Jessica Simpson

Think he had to sell his soul to the devil to be hooking up with her and
Carrie Underwood :?: :?:

Being QB of the Dallas Cowboys helps in the pullin' tail department.

[MOBB DEEP]

gotta go for the strip when you hold em up like that

OMG i was thnkn xact same thing

are u my twin rob nash?

[denverYooper]

gotta go for the strip when you hold em up like that

They should know that better than anyone from watching Peterson's film.

[denverYooper]

gotta go for the strip when you hold em up like that

OMG i was thnkn xact same thing

are u my twin rob nash?

Lil wake 'n bake this morning Mobb?

[red]

wow, that should have been a late hit and leading with the helmet