OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Scott Campbell]

And when the pressure is really on, you'll get some of that Favre pin point accuracy:

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[sheepshead]

And when the pressure is really on, you'll get some of that Favre pin point accuracy:

http://media.jsonline.com/images/600*592/mct-sports-fbn-saints-vikings-21-ms.jpg[/img]

Randall Gay is jealous of Darren Sharper now.

[GoPackGo]

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What a great game for ex-Favre fans! I've been waiting all season to see Favre get hit like that.

[Bossman641]

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What a great game for ex-Favre fans! I've been waiting all season to see Favre get hit like that.

LOL, call me petty or a hater but I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Favre fuck up in spectacular fashion.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

[gbgary]

is it me or is the sun shining just a little brighter today!?

[sheepshead]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

I agree, while I understood his decision, I was rooting for the Saints in a big way yesterday. I guess maybe its because I have been a Packer fan a lot longer than I have been a Favre fan.

[Lurker64]

This was definitely my favorite image from the Saints Game, if you could just photoshop different colors for her outfit, it would apply in so many situations:

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/deannapalm.jpg

[channtheman]

is it me or is the sun shining just a little brighter today!

Well here in AZ it rained all last week. Ironically after Favre's terrible performance the sun is SHINING BRIGHT!

[ThunderDan]

is it me or is the sun shining just a little brighter today!

Actually, it just started snowing!

[Lurker64]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm laughing so hard there are tears running down my face. It hurts. :D :D :D :D

[MOBB DEEP]

u all are SUCH bastards! :lol:

but i cant front; im lmao at the images here and on the sports shows today...dont know why. maybe its because, like u all, ive grown to expect fuckery from favre. plus the fact that it REALLY is jus ENTERTAINMENT. i was vexed for like 3 hours he lost then moved on; thanks red for pointing that out when erin and pack choked IMMEDIATELY in ot

i LOVE laughing because its an escape from the REAL issues in the world like haiti and my friendly neighbor gettn raped last summer

cant get too invested in this mess and coming here reminds me of that

thanks fellas

[MOBB DEEP]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

lol

daughter

[MOBB DEEP]

This is how I'll always remember his time as a Viking:

http://media.jsonline.com/images/600*574/ap-nfc-championship-football(10).jpg

or maybe him gettn mvp vote SC? :roll:

keep it real

but stay funny my white n--

[gbgary]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.


LOL

[Scott Campbell]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

lol

daughter




:lol:

:lol: :lol:

She squeals like a pig. BEST VIDEO EVER!!!!!

[hoosier]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

Yes, definitely, but not all of us decided to pitch a tent in the TV room. What was with that? :lol:

[MOBB DEEP]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

Yes, definitely, but not all of us decided to pitch a tent in the TV room. What was with that? :lol:

borderline trailer parkish lol

[Scott Campbell]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

Yes, definitely, but not all of us decided to pitch a tent in the TV room. What was with that? :lol:

borderline trailer parkish lol



Dude - there in a basement. Look at the dropped ceiling. How many trailers have basements? :lol:

[Fosco33]

I can't believe how many hits Brent took yesterday. And it pisses me off that the Packers couldn't find a way to even touch him but once/twice in TWO games.

The fact that he kept getting up showed you how much he wanted it. And sure - he'd have been ready for the Colts - but you could see in pregame interviews that the old man looks - old. It's a long season and feels longer when your 2X the age of some of the rooks.


I don't feel bad for the Vikes or their fans. The Pack has had much more heartbreak (and success) at the hands of #4.

Things I'm saying to my MN friends today:
-Welcome to the club
-As much as things change - they really don't
-Enjoy the 8 month guessing game


And it's definitely not all on Brent. The 3 lost fumbles were much bigger - leading to a Saints easy TD and 2 lost scoring chances for Vikes (6-14 points) - a total swing of 3 scores is gigantic.

I'm happy for the Saints - that city really needs something good to happen. Hope they find a way to whoop Manning.

[Scott Campbell]

I can't believe how many hits Brent took yesterday.



I picked a bad day to quit the Vicodin.



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[red]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

lol, that almost makes the whole last 2 years worth it

[Fosco33]

I can't believe how many hits Brent took yesterday.



I picked a bad day to quit the Vicodin.



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House - can you hook me up? Pretty please.

http://thinkscience.today.com/files/2009/07/house_md3.jpg

[pbmax]

Man you guys are harsh. Isn't that just a kids indoor tent/fort?

They are $25 at Wal Mart to give a 3 or 4 year old something to hide in.

The video is priceless, esp. the Dad's reaction. Personally, I do less swearing and more stomping out of the room. Then the bitter, sarcastic comments.

Later Update: Even better, as he is cursing the INT he realizes the thing is in danger of going for six, so you need to turn off the complaints and root for a stop.

[Patler]

Many, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a hockey scout that it pays to take notes about players even when they are young, because it is who they are. While sometimes they can be changed to a certain extent, when crunch time comes they will instinctively react in the way that is natural for them. The trick for a scout is to evaluate if the great plays made by a 12-16 year old will be successful plays as a junior, college or pro player.

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was. Sometimes he got away with those plays, and fans cheered him for it, reinforcing something coaches probably wanted to stop. Yesterday, it came back to bite him.

[Scott Campbell]

Great moment in Viking history. I might have to burn that onto DVD's and Print a big purple #4 on it for giveaways to family and friends.

[Scott Campbell]

u all are SUCH bastards! :lol:

but i cant front; im lmao at the images here and on the sports shows today...dont know why. maybe its because, like u all, ive grown to expect fuckery from favre.


Now that you've completed step 1 of your 12 step program, it's time to embrace Aaron.

Packer fans wear green - not purple.

[PA Pack Fan]

He looks like a kid out there - just havin fun!

http://media.jsonline.com/images/364*600/ap-nfc-championship-footballb(2).jpg
Are those two guys the shortest trainers in the NFL? Bert looks like a giant!

[Scott Campbell]

For your listening pleasure:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/images/01/25/FavreINT.mp3




"You can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal!!!! This is not Detroit, man, this is the Superbowl!!!!".

[denverYooper]

Great moment in Viking history. I might have to burn that onto DVD's and Print a big purple #4 on it for giveaways to family and friends.

And here I thought this might be your handiwork:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0rcPIqguA

[red]

He looks like a kid out there - just havin fun!

http://media.jsonline.com/images/364*600/ap-nfc-championship-footballb(2).jpg
Are those two guys the shortest trainers in the NFL? Bert looks like a giant!

i think they prefer the term "little people"

bert is 6'2, but he's on his twinkle toes. i'd say those guys are both at least a foot shorter then him

[gbgary]

I can't believe how many hits Brent took yesterday.


that's exactly how we should have played them instead of the back-off, soft style we did.

[ThunderDan]

He looks like a kid out there - just havin fun!

http://media.jsonline.com/images/364*600/ap-nfc-championship-footballb(2).jpg
Are those two guys the shortest trainers in the NFL? Bert looks like a giant!

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Are the trainers both 5' 3" or is Brett 6' 10" on his toes?

[Scott Campbell]

He looks like a kid out there - just havin fun!


Are those two guys the shortest trainers in the NFL? Bert looks like a giant!

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Are the trainers both 5' 3" or is Brett 6' 10" on his toes?


Yeah, but I bet neither one of those guys would have thrown that pick to Tracy Porter.

[gbgary]

He looks like a kid out there - just havin fun!

http://media.jsonline.com/images/364*600/ap-nfc-championship-footballb(2).jpg
Are those two guys the shortest trainers in the NFL? Bert looks like a giant!

i thought the same thing. he could have put their heads under his arm pits and used them as crutches.

[pbmax]

Many, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a hockey scout that it pays to take notes about players even when they are young, because it is who they are. While sometimes they can be changed to a certain extent, when crunch time comes they will instinctively react in the way that is natural for them. The trick for a scout is to evaluate if the great plays made by a 12-16 year old will be successful plays as a junior, college or pro player.

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was. Sometimes he got away with those plays, and fans cheered him for it, reinforcing something coaches probably wanted to stop. Yesterday, it came back to bite him.
Actually, I think he gets away just often enough with that throw and others like it that it reinforces the high school or college assertiveness to continue to reappear.

And he receives probably his second greatest amount of praise and approbation from his willingness to take risks and make throws just like that. Other than his toughness, it is that trait that is lauded above all else. His footwork is not Montana like, he is not as tall as Manning or Brady, his arm is not quite Jeff George, Elway or Cunningham, he does not read a defense and go through progressions like Montana, Young or Manning and his release is not Marino or Namath lethal.

His standout traits are toughness and willingness to trust his arm. If you took his belief in those two things down a notch, I think he becomes far closer to average. McGinn said the thing that stood out, after all this time, was not his physical attributes but his willfulness.

[Brewhaha]

take into account im WASTED ppl

lol...the freaks come out at night

GET LIVES u loathesome losers...if i were a staunch vike fan i would remind yall that vikes beat pack twice and WON the division :roll: which is an acomplishment...in the past when the pack have lost i didnt get any REAL satisfaction out of ANY others teams struggles b/c i was too busy lamenting MY teams loss

and never mind that he took vikes further than last year huh?

lets all gloat at anothers "demise..." who does that? well-rounded individuals? NO!

...hahahaha nice charater trait and SO impressive...hope i can be like yall when i grow up; sure yall older than me and dispaly SUCH wisdom i want to emmulate

any broad bashn brett probaly had crush on him 3 years ago and got low self esteem, wishn aaron would get up with them

and who here REALLY believes what "ty" says anyway....he has no friends IM SURE; he was probaly WATCHN a bunch of "cool" guys watch the game from afar lmao

i can jus imagie how dumpy and gay some of u all look in person

trust me, suave, self assured ppl dont seek to down others they jus keep it moving

self evaluate; favre aint did JACK to you personally. and if the vikes or pack win or lose your life changes NONE; you will still be haters lol

obviously im still tryna finish the HUGE bottle of gin i bought for the championshipm games. i vowed to not drink any more after favre is eliminated; no need for big guts like u lazy, non athletic schmucks

again im wasted and other than meanie ty (who can EASILY take it and dish it) im not individualizn
So we allow this to turn into a Vikings forum, and then the few Packers fans that remain aren't even allowed to rip on the Vikings for losing? What is going on?

[mraynrand]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

Wow that was funny and horrible all at the same time. From the comments section:

"Oh man, that is funny. I remember that feeling as a Packer fan. Good Riddance. You Vikes got the complete Farve experience with your purchase. How does is feel now?"


I think they should have a ride at Disney called "The Favre Experience" and it would always end with a horrible interception and the reaction of that guy in the room. Probably would ruin Disney in a month.

[TravisWilliams23]

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was.

That's exactly what drove me nuts watching him all these years. He never learned, never became that ultimate qb like Starr, Montana.

When it's all said and done, it's those rings that matter most.
Ask Marino.

[Scott Campbell]

A new all time record was set yesterday. 30 career playoff interceptions.

[gbgary]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

[Patler]

Many, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a hockey scout that it pays to take notes about players even when they are young, because it is who they are. While sometimes they can be changed to a certain extent, when crunch time comes they will instinctively react in the way that is natural for them. The trick for a scout is to evaluate if the great plays made by a 12-16 year old will be successful plays as a junior, college or pro player.

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was. Sometimes he got away with those plays, and fans cheered him for it, reinforcing something coaches probably wanted to stop. Yesterday, it came back to bite him.
Actually, I think he gets away just often enough with that throw and others like it that it reinforces the high school or college assertiveness to continue to reappear.

And he receives probably his second greatest amount of praise and approbation from his willingness to take risks and make throws just like that. Other than his toughness, it is that trait that is lauded above all else. His footwork is not Montana like, he is not as tall as Manning or Brady, his arm is not quite Jeff George, Elway or Cunningham, he does not read a defense and go through progressions like Montana, Young or Manning and his release is not Marino or Namath lethal.

His standout traits are toughness and willingness to trust his arm. If you took his belief in those two things down a notch, I think he becomes far closer to average. McGinn said the thing that stood out, after all this time, was not his physical attributes but his willfulness.

I agree completely. But it is also what has failed him most in playoff football, when everything is kicked up a notch. The risks he took that succeeded often enough to be tolerable during the regular season have failed him miserably in playoffs since the Super Bowl years. This year, he didn't take those types of risks too often, until the biggest moment on the biggest setting.

His teams have lost a lot of playoff games that they should have won, and Favre's carelessness or risk taking have been significant factors in those losses. Ultimately, that is just who Favre is, too much of a risk taker for his own good in playoffs.

[Scott Campbell]

Yesterday was the purple 4th and 26.

[Patler]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

[gbgary]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

i hear ya!

[hoosier]

Many, many years ago it was pointed out to me by a hockey scout that it pays to take notes about players even when they are young, because it is who they are. While sometimes they can be changed to a certain extent, when crunch time comes they will instinctively react in the way that is natural for them. The trick for a scout is to evaluate if the great plays made by a 12-16 year old will be successful plays as a junior, college or pro player.

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was. Sometimes he got away with those plays, and fans cheered him for it, reinforcing something coaches probably wanted to stop. Yesterday, it came back to bite him.
Actually, I think he gets away just often enough with that throw and others like it that it reinforces the high school or college assertiveness to continue to reappear.

And he receives probably his second greatest amount of praise and approbation from his willingness to take risks and make throws just like that. Other than his toughness, it is that trait that is lauded above all else. His footwork is not Montana like, he is not as tall as Manning or Brady, his arm is not quite Jeff George, Elway or Cunningham, he does not read a defense and go through progressions like Montana, Young or Manning and his release is not Marino or Namath lethal.

His standout traits are toughness and willingness to trust his arm. If you took his belief in those two things down a notch, I think he becomes far closer to average. McGinn said the thing that stood out, after all this time, was not his physical attributes but his willfulness.

I agree completely. But it is also what has failed him most in playoff football, when everything is kicked up a notch. The risks he took that succeeded often enough to be tolerable during the regular season have failed him miserably in playoffs since the Super Bowl years. This year, he didn't take those types of risks too often, until the biggest moment on the biggest setting.

His teams have lost a lot of playoff games that they should have won, and Favre's carelessness or risk taking have been significant factors in those losses. Ultimately, that is just who Favre is, too much of a risk taker for his own good in playoffs.

I do not disagree entirely with what you're saying but just the same, when I think back on recent Packer history (let's say, starting with the loss to Denver in the '98 SB) I am not sure how many of their losses can be attributed to Favre's risk taking, at least not to the extent that we could say his risk taking cost the team a game it should have won. How many playoff games did Favre really cost the Packers after the '96 season? Maybe two?

1997: The loss to Denver was due primarily to the inability to stop Terrell Davis and their inability to deal with the Denver blitz. Favre had one pick and one fumble on a sack, compared to three passing TDs.

1998: The loss to SF = "The Catch II"

2001: The loss to St Louis in which Favre threw 6 picks. Granted that one looked pretty bad, but I don't think anyone could argue that Green Bay should have won the game or even that they would have if Favre had played better. Most of his terrible throws came after GB had already fallen behind to a more talented team.

2002: The homefield loss to Atlanta, where a Packer team depleted by injuries got thoroughly outplayed.

2003: 4th and 26. Favre's silly INT in OT in a game that the Packers had dominated certainly falls within the tendency you're describing.

2004: Wildcard loss to Minnesota at Lambeau. I admit to having repressed almost all memories of this game and can't recall what role Favre played in this loss. My gut tells me that GB simply got outplayed.

2007: The OT loss to NYG. The INT certainly cost the Packers the game, but had he not thrown that pick I could not say with any confidence that the Packers probably would have won. They were outplayed on both side of the ball for most of the game and I think the Giants were really the better team that day.

[cheesner]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

i hear ya!Risk taking is fine, I don't think Brint succeeded more times than failing, but you don't need to in order to have success. The problem (from a vikes POV, to me it was a perfect play) with yesterdays pick was the wisdom of even taking the risk. There were just a few seconds left, you were already in field goal range. His choices were the following:

1. Make a stupid throw. 2 of the rules of QB play is never throw late to the middle of the field and never throw across your body into traffic (the angles are too easy for DBs)

2. Throw the ball away, try another play, in that doesn't work then go for the FG.

Brint went for #1.

[gbgary]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

i hear ya!Risk taking is fine, I don't think Brint succeeded more times than failing, but you don't need to in order to have success. The problem (from a vikes POV, to me it was a perfect play) with yesterdays pick was the wisdom of even taking the risk. There were just a few seconds left, you were already in field goal range. His choices were the following:

1. Make a stupid throw. 2 of the rules of QB play is never throw late to the middle of the field and never throw across your body into traffic (the angles are too easy for DBs)

2. Throw the ball away, try another play, in that doesn't work then go for the FG.

Brint went for #1.


come on now...over the years i'll bet you said "how'd he do that", or "that was amazing" many, many, more than you said "that was too risky a throw."

[LEWCWA]

Last time Favre was in the playoffs he had his biggest comeback ever (14 pts.) He followed that up with an abysmal performance in the cold where he looked like he really didn't want to be out there

This year he broke his single postseason record for TD's in a game (4) and followed that up with another of his classic playoff performances. Favre will possibly put you in a position to win, but rest assured that mother fucker WILL rip it away and stomp on your hearts at the same time.

I pissed off a lot of Viking fans at the Card/Vike game a month ago and told them just wait, when it matters most, he will destroy you. Well, fuckers look who's laughing now. I loved seeing Favre finally fuck up this season. For the most part he played within himself and took what he was given. But none of that matters when in the biggest game of the year you fuck something up in such an elementary fashion.

I may have said I was indifferent to Favre, but yesterday I still wanted to see that bastard fuck the game up and boy did he deliver! So will this bastard retire or will he come back. Who cares now because we get to laugh at the Vikings as they deal with it and be glad we've got a top 5 young QB for the next 10 years.

Wow such emotion. You'd think this guy banged your wife or something....

[gbgary]

the risk taking never bothered me...because it succeeded more than it failed. holding the team ransom every off-season got tiresome but i was perfectly happy with him until be came a viking.

But it hasn't succeeded in the playoffs. Ultimately, I think that is what convinced TT and MM that it was OK to try a new direction, even if Favre still had some years left in him.

i hear ya!Risk taking is fine, I don't think Brint succeeded more times than failing, but you don't need to in order to have success. The problem (from a vikes POV, to me it was a perfect play) with yesterdays pick was the wisdom of even taking the risk. There were just a few seconds left, you were already in field goal range. His choices were the following:

1. Make a stupid throw. 2 of the rules of QB play is never throw late to the middle of the field and never throw across your body into traffic (the angles are too easy for DBs)

2. Throw the ball away, try another play, in that doesn't work then go for the FG.

Brint went for #1.


come on now. over the years i'll bet you said "how'd he do that", or "that was amazing" many, many, more than you said "that was too risky a throw." in his mind i don't think he thought that throw was risky. he saw an open man and made a throw. it was more bad decision than risk.

[mraynrand]

2003: 4th and 26. Favre's silly INT in OT in a game that the Packers had dominated certainly falls within the tendency you're describing.

Yes, it certainly falls within the tendency described.

[LEWCWA]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

been there, done that :P

[pbmax]

2004: Wildcard loss to Minnesota at Lambeau. I admit to having repressed almost all memories of this game and can't recall what role Favre played in this loss. My gut tells me that GB simply got outplayed.
He was far from alone, but like St. Louis, he wasn't helping:

22-33-216-1-4

My argument about playoff games like St. Louis, Minnesota and the Falcons (I will never understand the Philly game - in no way shape or form did Philly matchup in that game save one goal line stand and one pass) is that while the opposition might have several advantages and perhaps momentum on its side, that is the last time you want your leader playing like someone has cut his head off. Or in a frenzied panic. Stay the course, keep calm, make small plays, put points on the board. The competition committee has not created a 9 point line for touchdowns from 70 yards and out. Give the rest of your team a chance to catch its breath and make a play. Don't jump on top when they are down.

[Patler]

2004: Wildcard loss to Minnesota at Lambeau. I admit to having repressed almost all memories of this game and can't recall what role Favre played in this loss. My gut tells me that GB simply got outplayed.
He was far from alone, but like St. Louis, he wasn't helping:

22-33-216-1-4

My argument about playoff games like St. Louis, Minnesota and the Falcons (I will never understand the Philly game - in no way shape or form did Philly matchup in that game save one goal line stand and one pass) is that while the opposition might have several advantages and perhaps momentum on its side, that is the last time you want your leader playing like someone has cut his head off. Or in a frenzied panic. Stay the course, keep calm, make small plays, put points on the board. The competition committee has not created a 9 point line for touchdowns from 70 yards and out. Give the rest of your team a chance to catch its breath and make a play. Don't jump on top when they are down.

Yup, keeping your head when all those around you are losing theirs. The QB is in a unique position sometimes to stop the snowballing effect and keep a game from getting out of hand. Early in the game, it doesn't necessarily even require scoring. Getting a few first downs, gaining some confidence, etc.

[SkinBasket]

If we've learned anything from these past few years, it looks like Favre is definitely coming back next season per his own comments:


Brett Favre's return for another season is "highly unlikely, but it has been an awesome year," the Minnesota Vikings quarterback told ESPN's Ed Werder after the Vikings' loss to the New Orleans Saints in the NFC Championship Game on Sunday.

Favre, who returned to the NFL from retirement with the goal of leading the Vikings to a championship, fell just short when his pass with seconds left in regulation was intercepted. The Saints won in overtime to advance to the franchise's first-ever Super Bowl.

Favre also told Werder before the game that not one Vikings player had inquired about his future because they were so focused on the game.

Favre wasn't quite ready to make a decision on his future immediately following the loss, but he said he wouldn't take long to make his plans known this time.

"Just wondering if I can hold up, especially after a day like today," Favre said after throwing for 310 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. "Physically and mentally. That was pretty draining. I am going to go home, a couple of days and just talk it over with the family."

After Sunday's game, Favre staggered to the podium, an abrasion between his eyes, welts on his forehead and tears in his eyes from the beating he took at the hands of the Saints and the realization that his quest to get back to Super Bowl fell just short again.

For a quarterback who derived so much joy during an improbably successful season for the Vikings, Favre sure didn't look or sound like a player who had much left after a heartbreaking 31-28 overtime loss to the Saints.

Favre has one year left on the two-year contract he signed with Minnesota in August, but Vikings coach Brad Childress isn't going to rush him into making a decision on returning for a 20th NFL season.

"I told him go home and lick your wounds and I'll do the same and we'll catch up down the road," Childress said. "Nobody wants to be rash about any decision-making, I'm sure, right now."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4857006

[packerbacker1234]

It is the most brutal beating I think I have seen his body take in a single game. Did anyone else see that press conference? How he was able to stay in the game and play is beyond me. Reports show that he was even more beat up than he appeared too.

Time will tell. I am sure he thinks the vikings are good enough and will be better next season to take a shot, but the game he just had... how many more of these physical beat downs can his body handle? I think thats just a question he has to answer himself. Again, we never know for sure until the first game next year for hte vikes, but we shall see if he has one more season left in him. He has to know he's on borrowed time.

He can still play, and play at a high level. He no longer has tp prove that to anyone. The only thing left to prove is he can get over the NFC championship hump to get to another Super Bowl. I just don't know if that is going to be enough to make him come back.

But hey... it's brett. Who knows?

[Scott Campbell]

http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/640*467/3QfavreHURT9BPVikes0125.jpg

[The Shadow]

Favre showed us yesterday that this is true for him. While he seemed to change this year, controlling himself to a degree Packer fans have never seen, when crunch time came, he reacted as Packer fans have seen for years, The throw back into the middle of the field, late in the play, was probably something he got away with often in college, but pro coaches harp and harp on it. Favre was conditioned to do it by who he is, a risk taker. At the time he threw it he probably saw "great play!" Unfortunately, high risk takers don't see the downside until its too late. Too often it gets you in trouble in the NFL.

When crunch time came, Favre became the Favre he always was.

That's exactly what drove me nuts watching him all these years. He never learned, never became that ultimate qb like Starr, Montana.
When it's all said and done, it's those rings that matter most.
Ask Marino.

BINGO!

[Joemailman]

"Highly unlikely" he'll return.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/53249/favre-says-its-unlikely-hell-play-football-again

[Fosco33]

"Highly unlikely" he'll return.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/53249/favre-says-its-unlikely-hell-play-football-again

Highly unlikely that he'll be believed until he goes an entire season away from the game... and even then I wouldn't rule him out.

[Joemailman]

What? You think he'll change his mind once he makes a decision?

[Bossman641]

If we've learned anything from these past few years, it looks like Favre is definitely coming back next season per his own comments:


"I told him go home and lick your wounds and I'll do the same and I'll provide chauffeuring services down the road in August," Childress said. "Nobody wants to be rash about any decision-making, I'm sure, right now."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4857006

http://www.houstonsportsrapp.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/large_brett_favre_brad_childress.jpg

[Fosco33]

What? You think he'll change his mind once he makes a decision?

The Sears commercial is my main source :P

[green_bowl_packer]

Brett currently is 3 touchdown passes away from 500. Does he go for it?

[Lurker64]

I wonder if, after the beating that Brett took in the last game, Deanna might just put her foot down and say "You're done", since I'm sure that at least one other team that the Vikings play next year will adopt a similar strategy of "try to rattle Favre by hitting him early, often, and hard."

If you're a multimillionaire, have a superbowl ring, and your wife insists that you be done with football, are you really going to fight too hard?

[Pugger]

Chilly tried to send Longwell out to kick the game winning field goal, but Favre wouldn't come out of the game. :rs:

[Pugger]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

[Kiwon]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

I can hear him later on talking to his daughter, "Now sweetie, that was the way big people talk when they get upset."

Well, on second thought, that's probably normal for this guy.

Oh man, it's funny though. How many times have WE been there with Favre?

[pbmax]

NSFW (contains loud swearing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0

It's funny since we've all been there, probably wearing different colors.

I can hear him later on talking to his daughter, "Now sweetie, that was the way big people talk when they get upset."

Well, on second thought, that's probably normal for this guy.

Oh man, it's funny though. How many times have WE been there with Favre?
Those are garage words only, honey.

Or Favre words.

[MadtownPacker]

Chilly tried to send Longwell out to kick the game winning field goal, but Favre wouldn't come out of the game. :rs:I gotta admit that's a good one SC. But the injury pics you posted speak almost as much about Favre as they do about you posting them in glee.

I hope he rides off in his lawnmower so that this forum can get back to the place it once was.

[Bretsky]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here ; I called this one last week

[Harlan Huckleby]

When Favre threw The Interception I did a little fist pump. I was happy to see Favre play well this past season, but seeing him in the Superbowl with the Vikings would be too much. I don't want to hear about him 24x7x2.

He played a great game, kept fighting even though he was clearly exhausted. I think the final bad decision was related to fatigue.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I hope he rides off in his lawnmower so that this forum can get back to the place it once was.

Where was that?
Surprised you still care about Favre. I thought you'd be too busy collecting sports memorabilia for your Mark Sanchez room.

[MadtownPacker]

I did a little fist pump.Aint the GC for this kind of stuff you sick bastard?

You on here again? I havent been on in a minute but when I have you are never around. PM me your # so I can call you sometime.

[MadtownPacker]

I thought you'd be too busy collecting sports memorabilia for your Mark Sanchez room.Nah, dont like any Mex who takes shit from some fatass White boy. Besides he is a Southern Mexican.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The only "good old days" were at Christian Encourager. The forum lost something when we turned our backs on the lord.

[Joemailman]

Will people laugh if Favre announces his retirement? Will he qualify it by saying "As of now."? Will Mooch cry?

[pbmax]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here ; I called this one last week
B, there is no Packer news. This is the only football going on unless you count Tebow studying under Marc Trestman* for 2 days and then fumbling 5 or 6 of his snaps from under center today in Mobile.

What else are we supposed to chat about?


* That's just a joke Woodbuck! :lol:

[mraynrand]

The only "good old days" were at Christian Encourager. The forum lost something when we turned our backs on the lord.

Lord Favre!

[mraynrand]

What else are we supposed to chat about?

What? no interest in Browns off-season moves? What is Big Show up to?

[pbmax]

What else are we supposed to chat about?

What? no interest in Browns off-season moves? What is Big Show up to?
About 285 from the looks of it. :rs:

I am sure he is looking for a quiet Bookstore to own when he retires soon from this gig, just like when he left Seattle. :lol:

And I can't get excited about Cribbs' imminent arrival yet.

[GrnBay007]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here


It surprises me a little. My 14 yo son gave me shit all year about cheering for Brett. Yet last night when all was said and done after the game he posted something on FB that was way more mature then most I've read in the last 5-6 pages. Made me proud he presented himself, as an athlete and a fan, in that way. To sit back and wait and watch for someone to fail or not to rise to your expectations and then to point the finger and laugh and belittle is surely not a character trait I'd wish upon anyone. To each their own.

[mraynrand]

To sit back and wait and watch for someone to fail or not to rise to your expectations and then to point the finger and laugh and belittle is surely not a character trait I'd wish upon anyone.

I agree.

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/41d3e90314f6011c2b62e1136c27f3aa.jpg

[TennesseePackerBacker]

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD! THE WITCH IS DEAD! THE WITCH IS DEAD!

[vince]

Yeah, but I bet neither one of those guys would have thrown that pick to Tracy Porter.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/twernke/Packers/ThanksTed.jpg

[Scott Campbell]

When Favre threw The Interception I did a little fist pump.



:lol:

[Bossman641]

To sit back and wait and watch for someone to fail or not to rise to your expectations and then to point the finger and laugh and belittle is surely not a character trait I'd wish upon anyone.

I agree.

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/41d3e90314f6011c2b62e1136c27f3aa.jpg

Haha, too perfect

[Fritz]

"After Sunday's game, Favre staggered to the podium"

I get the whole Favre mythmaking thing. But "staggered"? Okay, "limped." "Eased himself to the podium," maybe. But "staggered"? That's not far from "grasping at the podium to keep from falling," then on to "he spoke as he duct taped his foot back onto his ankle."

Wow. It's in high gear. If only he could save a baby from being hit by a car while simultaneously talking a teenager out of committing suicide!

[sheepshead]

Chilly tried to send Longwell out to kick the game winning field goal, but Favre wouldn't come out of the game. :rs:I gotta admit that's a good one SC. But the injury pics you posted speak almost as much about Favre as they do about you posting them in glee.

I hope he rides off in his lawnmower so that this forum can get back to the place it once was.


:lol: Good One Scott

[Scott Campbell]

"After Sunday's game, Favre staggered to the podium"

I get the whole Favre mythmaking thing. But "staggered"? Okay, "limped." "Eased himself to the podium," maybe. But "staggered"? That's not far from "grasping at the podium to keep from falling," then on to "he spoke as he duct taped his foot back onto his ankle."

Wow. It's in high gear. If only he could save a baby from being hit by a car while simultaneously talking a teenager out of committing suicide!


You know what really sickened me most? Joe Buck. He became a parody of himself when he previously mimicked Madden by saying "Look at the way the light just glistens off his helmet".

He did the same damned thing in this game that Madden always did.

[Patler]

"After Sunday's game, Favre staggered to the podium"

I get the whole Favre mythmaking thing. But "staggered"? Okay, "limped." "Eased himself to the podium," maybe. But "staggered"? That's not far from "grasping at the podium to keep from falling," then on to "he spoke as he duct taped his foot back onto his ankle."

Wow. It's in high gear. If only he could save a baby from being hit by a car while simultaneously talking a teenager out of committing suicide!

I saw another report that commented on the injury by noting that he left the room without a limp.

[Scott Campbell]

For Viking fans, I almost feel bad for them. This was their purple 4th and 26 game. It will haunt them forever - especially since they still have no championships. They were the better team on Sunday, and should have won by 10+. It took a series of impossible catastrophes to bring them down - the last one being one of the most gut wrenching things I can ever imagine watching in sports. Or as I like to say - magically delicious.

For us Packers first fans, I thought we were toast. The game was in the bag. Over. The fat lady had sung and Harlan was already hitting her up for a "ride" home. I had braced myself for the inevitable suffering that would be PackerRats. Thompson would have been vilified for trading they guy that put the Vikings in the Superbowl. It was my worst nightmare as a long time poster. I felt completely helpless. And it was absolutely going to happen.










And then it didn't.


Thanks Bert!
:P

[pbmax]

I thought you'd be too busy collecting sports memorabilia for your Mark Sanchez room.Nah, dont like any Mex who takes shit from some fatass White boy. Besides he is a Southern Mexican.
OK, I ask for a point of clarification.

Is this someone from the Southern US? Southern California? Or Southern Mexico?

[Scott Campbell]

"After Sunday's game, Favre staggered to the podium"

I get the whole Favre mythmaking thing. But "staggered"? Okay, "limped." "Eased himself to the podium," maybe. But "staggered"? That's not far from "grasping at the podium to keep from falling," then on to "he spoke as he duct taped his foot back onto his ankle."

Wow. It's in high gear. If only he could save a baby from being hit by a car while simultaneously talking a teenager out of committing suicide!

I saw another report that commented on the injury by noting that he left the room without a limp.


I saw one comment about him forgetting which leg to limp on.

[Scott Campbell]

Life isn't fair. Bert should be getting ready to disregard the Indy game plan and audible out of running plays.

[Scott Campbell]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here ; I called this one last week


I wanted to make sure you got this one right, because God knows you won't be close on draft day.


:wink:

[Iron Mike]

Check out the consternation in the Land Of Choke (http://www.purple-pride.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=57&func=view&catid=8&id=19603&lang=en).

[MichiganPackerFan]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Thank god for our two classy vikes fans in here!!!

[Lurker64]

Check out the consternation in the Land Of Choke (http://www.purple-pride.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=57&func=view&catid=8&id=19603&lang=en).

Oh, even funnier, in the absence of a CBA extension, since the Vikings finished in the the top four teams in the league, so they won't be allowed to sign any free agents who were not cuts (or Vikings whose contracts have expired).

[gex]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here


It surprises me a little. My 14 yo son gave me shit all year about cheering for Brett. Yet last night when all was said and done after the game he posted something on FB that was way more mature then most I've read in the last 5-6 pages. Made me proud he presented himself, as an athlete and a fan, in that way. To sit back and wait and watch for someone to fail or not to rise to your expectations and then to point the finger and laugh and belittle is surely not a character trait I'd wish upon anyone. To each their own.

The only thing about that is, I do not consider the season Brett had anything close to a failure. Making it to the championship game and having one of your best years ever at the age of 40 is far from failing. Also, on top of that the courage,grit, and willpower to keep getting up hit after hit, play after play just cemented his ironman legacy forever.
Not making the superbowl with the Vikes....oh well, proving to himself and the world what he is made of,and having fun while doing it....priceless! :D

[mraynrand]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here


It surprises me a little. My 14 yo son gave me shit all year about cheering for Brett. Yet last night when all was said and done after the game he posted something on FB that was way more mature then most I've read in the last 5-6 pages. Made me proud he presented himself, as an athlete and a fan, in that way. To sit back and wait and watch for someone to fail or not to rise to your expectations and then to point the finger and laugh and belittle is surely not a character trait I'd wish upon anyone. To each their own.

The only thing about that is, I do not consider the season Brett had anything close to a failure. Making it to the championship game and having one of your best years ever at the age of 40 is far from failing. Also, on top of that the courage,grit, and willpower to keep getting up hit after hit, play after play just cemented his ironman legacy forever.
Not making the superbowl with the Vikes....oh well, proving to himself and the world what he is made of,and having fun while doing it....priceless! :D

Those are nice things for an FFF. And for an FFF, you can't expect more. But the Vikings brought Favre in to win the Superbowl. They made the playoffs and almost won a Wildcard with T Jack. Favre should have given them the trophy. He failed them. And the rest of the team helped.

[GrnBay007]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here


It surprises me a little. My 14 yo son gave me shit all year about cheering for Brett. Yet last night when all was said and done after the game he posted something on FB that was way more mature then most I've read in the last 5-6 pages. Made me proud he presented himself, as an athlete and a fan, in that way. To sit back and wait and watch for someone to fail or not to rise to your expectations and then to point the finger and laugh and belittle is surely not a character trait I'd wish upon anyone. To each their own.

The only thing about that is, I do not consider the season Brett had anything close to a failure. Making it to the championship game and having one of your best years ever at the age of 40 is far from failing. Also, on top of that the courage,grit, and willpower to keep getting up hit after hit, play after play just cemented his ironman legacy forever.
Not making the superbowl with the Vikes....oh well, proving to himself and the world what he is made of,and having fun while doing it....priceless! :D

:tup:

He had a fantastic season and played his heart out in that last game. He didn't fail, or let any fans down. He was part of a TEAM that failed to win.

[Bretsky]

For Viking fans, I almost feel bad for them. This was their purple 4th and 26 game. It will haunt them forever - especially since they still have no championships. They were the better team on Sunday, and should have won by 10+. It took a series of impossible catastrophes to bring them down - the last one being one of the most gut wrenching things I can ever imagine watching in sports. Or as I like to say - magically delicious.

For us Packers first fans, I thought we were toast. The game was in the bag. Over. The fat lady had sung and Harlan was already hitting her up for a "ride" home. I had braced myself for the inevitable suffering that would be PackerRats. Thompson would have been vilified for trading they guy that put the Vikings in the Superbowl. It was my worst nightmare as a long time poster. I felt completely helpless. And it was absolutely going to happen.










And then it didn't.


Thanks Bert!
:P


Maybe I'm dead wrong, but had the Vikings won I thought those who were in favor of them would have taken the high road overall.

I can't imagine blaming TT for letting the QB go who led the Vikes to the Super Bowl. Saying that would just be over the top moronic.

We have our QB now; TT made the right choice for the future of the Packers.

[mraynrand]

He had a fantastic season and played his heart out in that last game.

true


He didn't fail, or let any fans down.

Not true. Ask this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUAgITZfq0 NSFW


He was part of a TEAM that failed to win.

Indeed

[mraynrand]

I can't imagine blaming TT for letting the QB go who led the Vikes to the Super Bowl. Saying that would just be over the top moronic.

It would have been a simple fact. A lot of FFFs blame TT for letting Favre go and think Favre should still be QBing the Pack. Why does this surprise you? I don't see anything moronic about it. It's just a GM making a decision he thought best and fans agreeing/disagreeing. It's just so heated because of who Favre is and where he went. TT is responsible.

[Bretsky]

I can't imagine blaming TT for letting the QB go who led the Vikes to the Super Bowl. Saying that would just be over the top moronic.

It would have been a simple fact. A lot of FFFs blame TT for letting Favre go and think Favre should still be QBing the Pack. Why does this surprise you? I don't see anything moronic about it. It's just a GM making a decision he thought best and fans agreeing/disagreeing. It's just so heated because of who Favre is and where he went. TT is responsible.


It's moronic to note that being negative because the decision to let Favre go has worked out fine for Green Bay. Lately it seems that I find myself being a really odd fan in my perceptions of this whole situation.

[BZnDallas]

nothing being posted surprises me at all in here


It surprises me a little. My 14 yo son gave me shit all year about cheering for Brett. Yet last night when all was said and done after the game he posted something on FB that was way more mature then most I've read in the last 5-6 pages. Made me proud he presented himself, as an athlete and a fan, in that way. To sit back and wait and watch for someone to fail or not to rise to your expectations and then to point the finger and laugh and belittle is surely not a character trait I'd wish upon anyone. To each their own.

The only thing about that is, I do not consider the season Brett had anything close to a failure. Making it to the championship game and having one of your best years ever at the age of 40 is far from failing. Also, on top of that the courage,grit, and willpower to keep getting up hit after hit, play after play just cemented his ironman legacy forever.
Not making the superbowl with the Vikes....oh well, proving to himself and the world what he is made of,and having fun while doing it....priceless! :D


thats good to know, b/c after playing almost 20 years w/o missing a game, i think the ironman legacy was in jeopardy... :oops: :wink:

[Bossman641]

For Viking fans, I almost feel bad for them. This was their purple 4th and 26 game. It will haunt them forever - especially since they still have no championships. They were the better team on Sunday, and should have won by 10+. It took a series of impossible catastrophes to bring them down - the last one being one of the most gut wrenching things I can ever imagine watching in sports. Or as I like to say - magically delicious.

For us Packers first fans, I thought we were toast. The game was in the bag. Over. The fat lady had sung and Harlan was already hitting her up for a "ride" home. I had braced myself for the inevitable suffering that would be PackerRats. Thompson would have been vilified for trading they guy that put the Vikings in the Superbowl. It was my worst nightmare as a long time poster. I felt completely helpless. And it was absolutely going to happen.










And then it didn't.


Thanks Bert!
:P

I was in the exact same boat. As the Vikings were driving I was already giving them the win and was thinking how much it was going to suck hearing about them for the next 2 weeks. I also was ready to hand them the SB and was thinking to myself how unfair and just plain wrong it was that somebody who had acted like such an asshole was going to get his way and achieve what he had wanted. And then, the 5 yard penalty and I'm thinking there's a chance. The old man rolls out right.....and the rest is history. :D

[Harlan Huckleby]

I thought you'd be too busy collecting sports memorabilia for your Mark Sanchez room.Nah, dont like any Mex who takes shit from some fatass White boy. Besides he is a Southern Mexican.
OK, I ask for a point of clarification.

Is this someone from the Southern US? Southern California? Or Southern Mexico?

I was confused by this as well, since he was a high school star in Northern Mexico, a.k.a. California. He was a nortorious cheap shot artist at safety, known widely as Dirty Sanchez

[Zool]

Maybe I'm dead wrong, but had the Vikings won I thought those who were in favor of them would have taken the high road overall.

You clearly don't live in MN

[Fritz]

Players come and go and switch teams all the time. Even players who've been with one team a long time sometimes switch teams and go on, yet there seems to be little in the way of previous occurrences that matches the intensity of Packer fans' feelings about Favre.

Those on the negative side are, I think, deeply resentful of the fact that Favre played into every fan's fantasy - that the players care as much as the fans do about the franchise itself. The whole "I grew up wanting to play for Team X and now I am" fantasy. In Favre's case, he repeatedly made it clear over the years that he considered himself a Packer, that he would only play for the Packers, that if he was ever no longer wanted he'd retire because he could only envison himself as a Packer, and on and on.

People believed him. Heck, I believed him. And I know players are encouraged to say supportive things about the city and team they're in, but Favre really went over the top and seemed to really believe this was his organization, his team, and there could be no other.

If one interprets (as I do) the events of his first Packer retirement as basically manipulated by Favre to get himself out of town without having to seem the hypocrite, then you can see how many people feel absolutely betrayed.

This is one reason many posters are so glad to see him fall short.

But I think we can move on now. He's Minnesota's off season problem now, and it appears that the team and organization has given him a pass.

My prediction is that it would look a bit unseemly if he said he was staying then didn't show up for any offseason stuff and maybe even skipped the first two weeks of training camp. Thus, it would be far easier to say he's retiring, then go be retired until two weeks before the season.

One monkey wrench that could get thrown would be Minnesota drafting a QB in the first round, thus troubling Favre, who might prefer immediate help for the coming season and in addition seems amazingly insecure, given his accomplishments.

[mngolf19]

I actually believe they will trade for a QB. Before the draft. Then draft one sometime after round 1.

Thankfully I have let go of Sunday's game already and now am looking forward to the draft. I am looking at '09 as a continued trend upward for the team as they have improved every year under Chilly's watch. (whether it has to do with him or not and his first year is counted as the beginning of said trend)

[Fritz]

If they do those two things, MN, do you think this means Favre won't be coming back?

[Pugger]

"After Sunday's game, Favre staggered to the podium"

I get the whole Favre mythmaking thing. But "staggered"? Okay, "limped." "Eased himself to the podium," maybe. But "staggered"? That's not far from "grasping at the podium to keep from falling," then on to "he spoke as he duct taped his foot back onto his ankle."

Wow. It's in high gear. If only he could save a baby from being hit by a car while simultaneously talking a teenager out of committing suicide!

I saw another report that commented on the injury by noting that he left the room without a limp.

But when he left the podium after the presser after the game he was pretty gimpy doing down those couple of stairs. He held onto the railing hard. You could almost feel his pain. He really took a beating in that game.

[The Shadow]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/100126&sportCat=nfl

The Fatal Flaw

[RashanGary]

For Viking fans, I almost feel bad for them. This was their purple 4th and 26 game. It will haunt them forever - especially since they still have no championships. They were the better team on Sunday, and should have won by 10+. It took a series of impossible catastrophes to bring them down - the last one being one of the most gut wrenching things I can ever imagine watching in sports. Or as I like to say - magically delicious.

For us Packers first fans, I thought we were toast. The game was in the bag. Over. The fat lady had sung and Harlan was already hitting her up for a "ride" home. I had braced myself for the inevitable suffering that would be PackerRats. Thompson would have been vilified for trading they guy that put the Vikings in the Superbowl. It was my worst nightmare as a long time poster. I felt completely helpless. And it was absolutely going to happen.










And then it didn't.





This is hilariously true. I was feeling exactly the same way. My stomach was ill. Then, when it happened, my brother and I said it together, "this is how it was meant to end". And that was the night. A certain satisfaction that lies and extreme arrogance didn't pay off set in and nothing more had to be said.

I think Bert knows his chance is passed. He'll be lucky to even beat the ascending Packers again, let alone make the playoffs and win a playoff game again. I think this is Bert's goodbye. Him lying on the turf in pain, his dumb ass interception, the lies, the diva act. . . Favre was about to go down as the most charismatic, stand up athletes ever and instead he's going out as one of the most selfish, polarizing, arrogant athletes to ever play the game and Ted brought it all to the surface. There is no wonder BrINT hates Ted. Ted destroyed his legacy by simply treating brett like a person. BrINT couldn't handle that. In his mind, he deserved to be treated like a diva.

[pbmax]

Maybe I'm dead wrong, but had the Vikings won I thought those who were in favor of them would have taken the high road overall.

You clearly don't live in MN
I think Bretsky meant those still in support of Favre on this board, not those that favor the Vikings in general.

But I am not putting anything past Gex's emoticons.

[MJZiggy]

For Viking fans, I almost feel bad for them. This was their purple 4th and 26 game. It will haunt them forever - especially since they still have no championships. They were the better team on Sunday, and should have won by 10+. It took a series of impossible catastrophes to bring them down - the last one being one of the most gut wrenching things I can ever imagine watching in sports. Or as I like to say - magically delicious.

For us Packers first fans, I thought we were toast. The game was in the bag. Over. The fat lady had sung and Harlan was already hitting her up for a "ride" home. I had braced myself for the inevitable suffering that would be PackerRats. Thompson would have been vilified for trading they guy that put the Vikings in the Superbowl. It was my worst nightmare as a long time poster. I felt completely helpless. And it was absolutely going to happen.










And then it didn't.





This is hilariously true. I was feeling exactly the same way. My stomach was ill. Then, when it happened, my brother and I said it together, "this is how it was meant to end". And that was the night. A certain satisfaction that lies and extreme arrogance didn't pay off set in and nothing more had to be said.

I think Bert knows his chance is passed. He'll be lucky to even beat the ascending Packers again, let alone make the playoffs and win a playoff game again. I think this is Bert's goodbye. Him lying on the turf in pain, his dumb ass interception, the lies, the diva act. . . Favre was about to go down as the most charismatic, stand up athletes ever and instead he's going out as one of the most selfish, polarizing, arrogant athletes to ever play the game and Ted brought it all to the surface. There is no wonder BrINT hates Ted. Ted destroyed his legacy by simply treating brett like a person. BrINT couldn't handle that. In his mind, he deserved to be treated like a diva.

He was always afraid to have stayed one year too long. I think we can trim that down to one game. Damn he paid for playing that one.

[MJZiggy]

Also, on top of that the courage,grit, and willpower to keep getting up hit after hit, play after play just cemented his ironman legacy forever.


This statement struck me. But honestly, what choice did he have at that point? He's going to come out of the NFCC game because he got hit too much?? Sit on the sidelines and cry like a man with the flu? They paid him 12 million to do whatever he had to do to get there (except maybe throw the winning drive away on an ill-advised pick).

Serious question, by the way.

[Scott Campbell]

He didn't fail, or let any fans down.


You can sure say that again. He exceeded every expectation I had for him. :lol:

[Bretsky]

Maybe I'm dead wrong, but had the Vikings won I thought those who were in favor of them would have taken the high road overall.

You clearly don't live in MN
I think Bretsky meant those still in support of Favre on this board, not those that favor the Vikings in general.

But I am not putting anything past Gex's emoticons.


that would be 100% correct; if MN wins I think the posters who still enjoy the success of Brett Fave would have taken the high road so there would have been no fear of them rubbins salt in the wounds of other posters who dislike him

[Scott Campbell]

Maybe I'm dead wrong, but had the Vikings won I thought those who were in favor of them would have taken the high road overall.

You clearly don't live in MN
I think Bretsky meant those still in support of Favre on this board, not those that favor the Vikings in general.

But I am not putting anything past Gex's emoticons.


that would be 100% correct; if MN wins I think the posters who still enjoy the success of Brett Fave would have taken the high road so there would have been no fear of them rubbins salt in the wounds of other posters who dislike him


That's because they're better people than the rest of us.

[GrnBay007]

Maybe I'm dead wrong, but had the Vikings won I thought those who were in favor of them would have taken the high road overall.

You clearly don't live in MN
I think Bretsky meant those still in support of Favre on this board, not those that favor the Vikings in general.

But I am not putting anything past Gex's emoticons.


that would be 100% correct; if MN wins I think the posters who still enjoy the success of Brett Fave would have taken the high road so there would have been no fear of them rubbins salt in the wounds of other posters who dislike him


That's because they're better people than the rest of us.

I wouldn't say better. I'd say more compassionate and more common sense. :D I do agree with B though.

[gex]

Maybe I'm dead wrong, but had the Vikings won I thought those who were in favor of them would have taken the high road overall.

You clearly don't live in MN
I think Bretsky meant those still in support of Favre on this board, not those that favor the Vikings in general.

But I am not putting anything past Gex's emoticons.


that would be 100% correct; if MN wins I think the posters who still enjoy the success of Brett Fave would have taken the high road so there would have been no fear of them rubbins salt in the wounds of other posters who dislike him


That's because they're better people than the rest of us.

I wouldn't say better. I'd say more compassionate and more common sense. :D I do agree with B though.
+1

[Joemailman]

Chilly says there is no deadline for Favre to decide for next year. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-01-26/childress-says-he-wont-give-favre-deadline

Better stock up on popcorn.

[hoosier]

Chilly says there is no deadline for Favre to decide for next year. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-01-26/childress-says-he-wont-give-favre-deadline

Better stock up on popcorn.

And the Vikings thought they had been Favred last Sunday! Guess what... :lol:

[LP]

It will be interesting to see if he does retire, will he ask to be released. If he does, he's finished. If he doesnt, he's leaving the door open for a mid to late august "glorious return".

[The Shadow]

He didn't fail, or let any fans down.


You can sure say that again. He exceeded every expectation I had for him. :lol:

:P

[mngolf19]

If they do those two things, MN, do you think this means Favre won't be coming back?

They'll find out first I believe. Crazy I know. If he's coming back, they'll still try to draft one after rd 1. If not, they try to trade the day trading opens. I think Favre will be back and I'm positive they would take him back. They have to look at all options since their window is still open. And they've never been afraid to go for it on personnel moves.

[hoosier]

If they do those two things, MN, do you think this means Favre won't be coming back?

They'll find out first I believe. Crazy I know. If he's coming back, they'll still try to draft one after rd 1. If not, they try to trade the day trading opens. I think Favre will be back and I'm positive they would take him back. They have to look at all options since their window is still open. And they've never been afraid to go for it on personnel moves.

Maybe the Bears would be willing to part with Jay Cutler for an early second day pick. :P

[Scott Campbell]

If they do those two things, MN, do you think this means Favre won't be coming back?

They'll find out first I believe. Crazy I know. If he's coming back, they'll still try to draft one after rd 1. If not, they try to trade the day trading opens. I think Favre will be back and I'm positive they would take him back. They have to look at all options since their window is still open. And they've never been afraid to go for it on personnel moves.

Maybe the Bears would be willing to part with Jay Cutler for an early second day pick. :P


I'm in Chicago this week. They're talking about trading him on the radio here for a first round pick. Just one first round pick. Perhaps to Shanny in Washington.

And you thought your house dropped a lot of value in the last year.

[Fritz]

How many picks did they give up? thirty-two?

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.upshizzle.com/gallery/albums/01.10/favre-kicked.gif

[mraynrand]

If they do those two things, MN, do you think this means Favre won't be coming back?

They'll find out first I believe. Crazy I know. If he's coming back, they'll still try to draft one after rd 1. If not, they try to trade the day trading opens. I think Favre will be back and I'm positive they would take him back. They have to look at all options since their window is still open. And they've never been afraid to go for it on personnel moves.

Favre should only come back if MN promises to surround him with the talent he needs to win. Maybe MN can sign that Randy Moss guy to take 'em over the top to a Superbowl win, just like he did for NE.

[MOBB DEEP]

so basically this has turned into a brett bashn thread lol

SO gay and sophomoric like the whole "lets demean and minimize all brett did for/with the pack and nfl in general."

the same hosers who were all for him a mere 2 years ago :cry: ...yet he shoulda cared about packer fans feelns about him tho? look what he did for franchise and the thanks he gets is all the name calln...silly for me to care of cousre b/c he SURELY doesnt...

so, in esssence, the meanies here only want to make us favre supporters feel bad...UTMOST of classy since you all know us better than ANY player you might "love" or "respect"

fans are gay; so many unstable ones

REAL easy to bash so i laugh at the fools who failed to give brett credit ALL year and have to gloat now; i have my own character flaws but dont subscribe to the "F everything not packers" nonsense like so misguided bamas

ENETERTAINMENT and favre still more entertaining than TT; if tt was on field, and provided me excitement for 2 decades, i woulda supported him when brett jetted

im sure its already been stated this week, but i belive the loathesome posters are happier that brett lost than they were mad that aaron choked TOO!

like ive said in the past, answer the way u want here, but when ur alone in the dark at night do self exam and realize how underdeveloped you are and pray for growth....not jus the favre thing but sports and life in general...i FIRMLY believe if we truly love self we will love EVERYONE or at least see the value in it, regardless of a darn uniform color - some1 show me how irrational my belief is PLEASE

dont get me wrong, not judging b/c ive "hated" pl;ayers before but NO LONGER hope or gloat for their demise.. jus happy when my fav team or player beats them - not into seeing them or their supporters saddened

[MOBB DEEP]

http://www.upshizzle.com/gallery/albums/01.10/favre-kicked.gif

funny as heck tho SC

[Fritz]

Mobb, this page of the thread - the most recent - looks pretty focused on laughing at the Bears over the Cutler trade.

Except for Scott's picture. Which is really kinda funny.

[Bretsky]

yes, better get the focus on ripping on Favre. Create a Cutler thread if you want to take cheap shots at him all week :!:

[The Shadow]

If they do those two things, MN, do you think this means Favre won't be coming back?

They'll find out first I believe. Crazy I know. If he's coming back, they'll still try to draft one after rd 1. If not, they try to trade the day trading opens. I think Favre will be back and I'm positive they would take him back. They have to look at all options since their window is still open. And they've never been afraid to go for it on personnel moves.

Favre should only come back if MN promises to surround him with the talent he needs to win. Maybe MN can sign that Randy Moss guy to take 'em over the top to a Superbowl win, just like he did for NE.

He didn't have far more than enough THIS year?????

[The Shadow]

http://www.upshizzle.com/gallery/albums/01.10/favre-kicked.gif

funny as heck tho SC

Hysterical! :P

[Joemailman]

What will Shadow do when he doesn't have Favre around to bash? Chase kids off his lawn?

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82746307.html?results=y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82746307


When Brett Favre finally decides to officially retire, how will you remember his post-season performances?
His victory in Super Bowl XXXI (35%)
His game-changing interceptions (65%)
Total Responses: 13875

[Gunakor]

ENETERTAINMENT and favre still more entertaining than TT; if tt was on field, and provided me excitement for 2 decades, i woulda supported him when brett jetted

Thompson isn't paid to be an entertainer, Mobb. He's paid to hire entertainers.

Were you not entertained by the 53 players we had on our roster this year?

[Joemailman]

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82746307.html?results=y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82746307


When Brett Favre finally decides to officially retire, how will you remember his post-season performances?
His victory in Super Bowl XXXI (35%)
His game-changing interceptions (65%)
Total Responses: 13875

This may be what keeps him coming back. I suspect he desperately wants to be remembered for something other than those INT's. Which is why I suspect he'll be back.

[Lurker64]

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82746307.html?results=y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82746307


When Brett Favre finally decides to officially retire, how will you remember his post-season performances?
His victory in Super Bowl XXXI (35%)
His game-changing interceptions (65%)
Total Responses: 13875

This may be what keeps him coming back. I suspect he desperately wants to be remembered for something other than those INT's. Which is why I suspect he'll be back.

And his desperation is going to ensure that he's even more likely to be known for throwing interceptions in key games.

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82746307.html?results=y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82746307


When Brett Favre finally decides to officially retire, how will you remember his post-season performances?
His victory in Super Bowl XXXI (35%)
His game-changing interceptions (65%)
Total Responses: 13875

This may be what keeps him coming back. I suspect he desperately wants to be remembered for something other than those INT's. Which is why I suspect he'll be back.


The defining play of his career is now that horrific choke that kept MN out of the Superbowl. In his shoes, I wouldn't be real happy with that. But he really got the crap beaten out himself in that last game. Who wants to subject themselves to that kind of beating at 41 years old?

I've given up trying to guess what he might do. If he quits - great. Were done hearing about him. If he plays - great. We get another shot at kicking his ass for what he did. Regardless of what he does, I expect most find him beyond redemption. He'll get boo'd in Lambeau for the rest of his life. IMO.

[pbmax]

A terrific breakdown of the INT from NFL and Greg Cosell. A nice look at what was happening on both sides of the ball.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Anatomy-of-a-Play-Favres-Final-Pick/8b7d92da-8072-47e8-8c36-8b5c484a97f0

via PFT

[Brandon494]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.

[MJZiggy]

A terrific breakdown of the INT from NFL and Greg Cosell. A nice look at what was happening on both sides of the ball.

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Anatomy-of-a-Play-Favres-Final-Pick/8b7d92da-8072-47e8-8c36-8b5c484a97f0

via PFT

That was really explanatory. Very good stuff.

[Joemailman]

The explanation about the Saints switching from man to zone does perhaps make Favre's decision to throw a little easier to understand. If he thought Rice was going to be single covered, it's not that surprising he would try it. He completed a number of passes this season to the tall Rice where Rice was not exactly open. Now, throwing the ball across your body down the middle of the field is never a good idea, so I'm not defending the decision, but I think I can see what he was thinking.

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82746307.html?results=y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82746307


When Brett Favre finally decides to officially retire, how will you remember his post-season performances?
His victory in Super Bowl XXXI (35%)
His game-changing interceptions (65%)
Total Responses: 13875

This may be what keeps him coming back. I suspect he desperately wants to be remembered for something other than those INT's. Which is why I suspect he'll be back.


The defining play of his career is now that horrific choke that kept MN out of the Superbowl. In his shoes, I wouldn't be real happy with that. But he really got the crap beaten out himself in that last game. Who wants to subject themselves to that kind of beating at 41 years old?

I've given up trying to guess what he might do. If he quits - great. Were done hearing about him. If he plays - great. We get another shot at kicking his ass for what he did. Regardless of what he does, I expect most find him beyond redemption. He'll get boo'd in Lambeau for the rest of his life. IMO.


Defining play of his career is the opening pass to Andre Rison; most Packer fans are far more forgiving than you are IMO

[Bretsky]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.


why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

[RashanGary]

why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Bretsky, Favre is a great player, he had a great career. Most of us more happy that he wasn't able to sleeze his way out of here to a team that sleezed their way into getting him, then have the ultimate success.


As far as defending this, I don't know, this is the exact type of decision that defines Favre's post season's. He went to two SB's, but if it weren't for the bone headed passes (Philly, NY, NO), he might have been to 5 SB's and won 3. Great player, but he had weakness that I don't think you can even put him in the conversation for best ever. Best ever, don't make those mistakes and have 3 rings.

[Scott Campbell]

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/ptisme/favre.jpg


Don't shoot the messenger.

[Bretsky]

I use to put him in the best ever conversation; now I agree with you. I'd put him in top ten....but not even top five anymore. Too many bad mistakes

[Scott Campbell]

.....most Packer fans are far more forgiving than you are IMO



Quite possibly every Packer fan is more forgiving than I am. However, that doesn't mean that most would forgive him. I'd point to his Lambeau reception as evidence.

[Bossman641]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.


why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

He's given Rice a lot of plays on jump balls and one on one matchups. I'd say say that's a little different then across your body to the middle of the field.

BTW, what is the Vikings radio guy's name? Paul Allen? I loved his call on the last play.

[Joemailman]

I use to put him in the best ever conversation; now I agree with you. I'd put him in top ten....but not even top five anymore. Too many bad mistakes

Favre might have been remembered as the greatest ever if Holmgren had stayed in Green Bay. In 7 seasons with Holmgren: 3 MVP's, 2 Super Bowls, 9-5 playoff record.

Post Holmgren: 0 MVP's, 0 Super Bowls, 4-6 playoff record.

[Scott Campbell]

BTW, what is the Vikings radio guy's name? Paul Allen? I loved his call on the last play.



Hilarious. One of the best calls of all time. "THIS IS NOT DETROIT!" :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

Written by CheeseCityFan at Sportsbubbler and copied here with his permission.

http://community.sportsbubbler.com/forums/p/89660/961305.aspx#961305




http://bp3.blogger.com/_FdEdvFQfwAU/SAZhLEoLDmI/AAAAAAAADTI/mXQ6A3KHFfE/s400/Favros+God+of+War.jpg


Come hear the epic tale of the hero, Favros, who was blessed by the gods with superhuman strength and endurance in throwing the leather disc, but was also cursed by them with a fatal flaw for his hubris. Our tale finds Favros and his consort, Deanna, exiled from the kingdom of Lambos on the shores of the Bay of Green when he clashed wills with the ruler of the kingdom of Lambos, Theodore the Snow-haired one, when Favros, in a fit of indecision and hubris first let go of the mantle of leadership and then took it, and then let it go, and then took it up, and then let it go. Theodore the Snow-haird exiled Favros and his consort to the Kingdom of Gotham where he had some success in hurling the leather disk until the gods struck his arm causing it go dead. Favros was then permitted to leave the Kingdom of Gotham and continue his wanderings.

Hippocrates Andrews repaired the arm of Favros in the spring and Favros wandered to the land of the Heidi-hairs, to the kingdom of the Berserkers in purple, lead by the cognitively disabled ruler, Chillios, who also doubles as a chairoteer in his spare time. After much entreating by Chillios, and the payment of a king's ransom, Favros agrees to hurl the leather disc for the Heidi-hairs as he continues his quest for vindication over Theodore the Snow-haird and his search for the ever-elusive and much coveted Trophy of Lombardos which Favros once held in his younger years.

After much success hurling the leather disc and conquering the minions of Theodore the Snow-haired, Favros still sought the Trophy of Lombardos and was one contest away from dueling Manning the Younger, general of the Blue Equines, for possession of it, needing to conquer the army of the kingdom of The Big Easy. It was a fiercely fought contest. Many strong warriors attacked Favros savagely, yet, he still remained in the battle. Victory was in sight. However, in a key skirmish Favros hears the harpies calling in the secondary, "I'm open. I'm open. I'm open."

Favros falls prey to his inability to ignore the harpies and his hubris in trusting the strength of his right arm. Defenders from out of nowhere take possession of the leather disc and Favros and Heidi-hairs lose the contest. The football gods punish Favros for his hubris.

What will happen to Favros next? Will he remain with the Heidi-hairs? Will he take his shield and sword and retire to the Bayou Kingdom?

Only the gods know.

[pbmax]

Written by CheeseCityFan at Sportsbubbler and copied here with his permission.

http://community.sportsbubbler.com/forums/p/89660/961305.aspx#961305

... However, in a key skirmish Favros hears the harpies calling in the secondary, "I'm open. I'm open. I'm open."

Favros falls prey to his inability to ignore the harpies and his hubris in trusting the strength of his right arm.
That's got to read sirens, doesn't it? Harpies might describe KC Joyner, Colin Cowherd (pre-2009 - anyone else notice how his conclusion on Favre did a complete 180 this year?) and Paul Zimmerman.

[MOBB DEEP]

[quote=Bretsky]
Best ever, don't make those mistakes and have 3 rings.

i agree

and NUTHN wrong with being top 10 imo....

legacy coulda been better but also coulda been worse

i was highschool rb and woulda gave a kidney for ricky waters career, despite sweetness is GOAT, e.g.

[MOBB DEEP]

ENETERTAINMENT and favre still more entertaining than TT; if tt was on field, and provided me excitement for 2 decades, i woulda supported him when brett jetted

Thompson isn't paid to be an entertainer, Mobb. He's paid to hire entertainers.

Were you not entertained by the 53 players we had on our roster this year?

hehehehe


u didnt get my point? i was merely sayn that, for me, the impetus for anger in 2007 was my memories of favre wowing, wooing, and wrecking me not the GMs picking the squads

i dont have the same respect of persons any longer; i value whatever whoever brings to the table

im impressed by what both favre AND tt have done the past couple of years for real for real; they're doing well at their jobs. im jus more enamored with the players over the brass. OF COURSE it matters, i jus dont sweat draft position and depth charts, just the finished product

to be transparent, im pretty much sure that im more devasted by favres choking than any one in this world....lol.....as much as i prayed to keep the game/outcome in perspective, i didnt watch any sports ANYTHING until celtics choked tonite lol...jus great; both teams full of morons (jared allen play? KG washed up?)

i was iron clad; cant get too emotional fool! then was pacing the entire game, gin didnt calm me down (wish i had herb), and yelled so much wifey way upstairs and neighbors in next development HAD to be cringing

the bastard did it to me again but thats my white nig for life! i roll with that cat no matter what; not jumping ship.. and im very SURE he's the last, now i jus dig the game overall, not with as much passion as i did in 02....some are oblivious but lord favre is the LAST link to the old-to-semi-old-school, the nfl has changed, it NOT for the better imo...better than nba, but i miss the 80s and 90s in both...toughies are extinct, even the fans.....bring back chuck cecil and bravaro

i think packerarcher said the nfl wont be the same when brett REALLY retires....i'll submit that sports in genreral wont be the same! im worried; what hobby should i pick up? watch so many documentaries, larry david, and law n order as is...hmmmm....maybe get back to reading good books....hit the links like my upwardly mobile brethren, become a hubby

[packrulz]

Tarkenton says Favre's last pass 'stupid'
By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 28, 2010

Former Minnesota Vikings quarterback Fran Tarkenton, who has taken some shots at Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the past, took a few more today during an interview with radio station 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia.

Tarkenton was asked to assess the Vikings' performance in the NFC title game against New Orleans.

“I think the Vikings were clearly the best team,” Tarkenton said. “They held this New Orleans offense to under 300 yards. They made Drew Brees look ordinary. He didn’t even throw for 200 yards. The guys have been throwing for 400, 500 yards. They were the better team. Their offense turned the ball over five times, the Viking offense. But still if (Favre) didn’t make that stupid play at the end of the game they would have won the game. Now you are in Philadelphia, remember a few years ago when Green Bay played you guys? . . . I mean he throws the ball straight up in the air, free falls. Do you remember that? I have never seen any quarterback much less, well he is going to be a Hall of Fame quarterback, make plays like that at a critical time. He has done the same thing in the Giants’ game (2007 season). He plays at home, has the better team and plays against Eli (Manning). He was a young kid right? And he throws the pick…. and then he does what he did the other night which was just shameful because great quarterbacks, and he is a great quarterback, they don’t do that. You don’t see Peyton Manning do that.”

Tarkenton said he is not down on Favre’s abilities.

“No, I think he has been a great, great player,” Tarkenton said. “I am not a great fan of Brett Favre’s because he goes out and all I heard them talk about is Brett Favre and he is tough, he is getting hit. You know Peyton Manning gets hit. I have played with a torn ACL. Donovan McNabb gets hit. We all get hit but he is flapping around and jumping around and he is getting hit and he talks in the soft voice. I would rather it be about the team and not Brett Favre. I get the idea that it is more about Brett Favre than the team. A quarterback is to make his teammates better but he is not about that. Now as a player, he has been a great player. No question about it. Also great players, my gosh, I have never seen great quarterbacks make that many bad plays in a critical moment in a playoff game.”

Tarkenton was asked about Favre’s career passing yards and touchdown records.

“He has done great and Peyton Manning is going to go by his records because you play 16 games today,” Tarkenton said. “It is a quarterbacks league, they changed the rules in 1979 where you couldn’t hit the receiver past five yards. That changed the whole offense. Now most anybody can throw for 300 yards. Back in our day if you threw for 300 yards that was a huge thing. Now these records are going to continually be broken because of the nature of the game and Peyton will beat Favre. Favre has been a great, great player. No question about it. One of the greats of all-time. I am just not a great Brett Favre fan.”

[Gunakor]

i think packerarcher said the nfl wont be the same when brett REALLY retires....i'll submit that sports in genreral wont be the same! im worried; what hobby should i pick up? watch so many documentaries, larry david, and law n order as is...hmmmm....maybe get back to reading good books....hit the links like my upwardly mobile brethren, become a hubby

Well I can agree that the NFL won't be exactly the same after Favre retires, but that doesn't mean it'll be any less entertaining. As one entertainer is sent to pasture, another is reborn and is rearing to go in the starting gate. I don't idolize individual players like you do, but if I did I could certainly find plenty of worthy candidates.

Sports in general - it'll be the same. Favre didn't usher in a new era in sport. Let me offer a little perspective here: Jackie Robinson changed sport. Brett Favre played/plays football. Sport will go on after Favre same as it always has.

[Scott Campbell]

i think packerarcher said the nfl wont be the same when brett REALLY retires....i'll submit that sports in genreral wont be the same!



We all survived when Bill Buckner retired. Some young gun will choke away a golden opportunity just like Brett did this weekend, and then the sting will start to fade. Lets just hope its not Rodgers.

[MichiganPackerFan]

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82746307.html?results=y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82746307


When Brett Favre finally decides to officially retire, how will you remember his post-season performances?
His victory in Super Bowl XXXI (35%)
His game-changing interceptions (65%)
Total Responses: 13875



Defining play of his career is the opening pass to Andre Rison; most Packer fans are far more forgiving than you are IMO

I think that opinions will change as things heal with time. I have no doubt that ultimately what I remember most is the triumphs, but right now I'd still fall in the 65%. Time heals all!



Written by CheeseCityFan at Sportsbubbler and copied here with his permission.


Come hear the epic tale of the hero, Favros, who was blessed by the gods with superhuman strength and endurance in throwing the leather disc, but was also cursed by them with a fatal flaw for his hubris. ...

This was wonderful!!

[MadScientist]

Jared Allen's Queen plea for the BF to return:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/29/an-offer-favre-may-not-be-able-to-refuse/

[hoosier]

The explanation about the Saints switching from man to zone does perhaps make Favre's decision to throw a little easier to understand. If he thought Rice was going to be single covered, it's not that surprising he would try it. He completed a number of passes this season to the tall Rice where Rice was not exactly open. Now, throwing the ball across your body down the middle of the field is never a good idea, so I'm not defending the decision, but I think I can see what he was thinking.

But certainly there are "man" coverage schemes (or, techically, "mixed" schemes) where you would expect to see a LB dropping into coverage instead of staying with the RB, TE or blitzing. Besides, Favre surely must have recognized almost immediately after the ball was snapped that it wasn't man coverage but rather cover 2 that the Saints were playing.

[ThunderDan]

The explanation about the Saints switching from man to zone does perhaps make Favre's decision to throw a little easier to understand. If he thought Rice was going to be single covered, it's not that surprising he would try it. He completed a number of passes this season to the tall Rice where Rice was not exactly open. Now, throwing the ball across your body down the middle of the field is never a good idea, so I'm not defending the decision, but I think I can see what he was thinking.

But certainly there are "man" coverage schemes (or, techically, "mixed" schemes) where you would expect to see a LB dropping into coverage instead of staying with the RB, TE or blitzing. Besides, Favre surely must have recognized almost immediately after the ball was snapped that it wasn't man coverage but rather cover 2 that the Saints were playing.

I was thinking the same thing. If the QB rolls right the defenders on the left side of the field are going to cheat and play off of their responsibility and shadow the middle of the field.

[MJZiggy]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.


why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

[GrnBay007]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.


why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

[packerbacker1234]

Not to mention Favre after the game admitted he got to the throw late, which gave the defender time to get that jump. He needed to pull the trigger sooner... so he felt at least. I am sure he looked at it ont he sideline to get that idea in his head, since the game wasn't over yet.

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2010-01-21-sean-salisbury_N.htm?csp=hf


Bradshaw says Favre's main motivation, after feeling hurt and then mad at the Green Bay Packers, is to "embarrass them, put it in their face. And nothing would throw it in their face more than winning the Super Bowl."




Bert tried to embarrass the Packers, and he ended up embarrassing himself. Perhaps the best excuse of all for choking in the clutch is because that's what he deserved. It was karma.

[Maxie the Taxi]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2010-01-21-sean-salisbury_N.htm?csp=hf


Bradshaw says Favre's main motivation, after feeling hurt and then mad at the Green Bay Packers, is to "embarrass them, put it in their face. And nothing would throw it in their face more than winning the Super Bowl."




Bert tried to embarrass the Packers, and he ended up embarrassing himself. Perhaps the best excuse of all for choking in the clutch is because that's what he deserved. It was karma.

I talked to the Commissioner. He says spite is not a good enough reason to return to the Super Bowl.

[MJZiggy]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.


why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

I know because I saw the throw (and the wonderful analysis of the play) If it had been the normal pass that he makes to Rice, Rice could have gone up for it. That's what he does. He's a big receiver and has had success when Favre throws high and he can go over the shorter defenders. When it was intercepted, what'shisname caught it in his gut. That's not letting Rice go up and get it. That's how I know. By not being completely blind to any possible criticism of Favre. It was an absolutely boneheaded throw and not the first in his career. It's ok to admit it.

[Scott Campbell]

Rolling way out to the right, throwing across his body, ball security at the highest possible priority level, getting very little zip on the ball, targeting a guy that was supposed to be a decoy on that play, launching one across the field. He broke every QB rule in the book on that one play.

[Bossman641]

I understand a lot of you still love favre and root for him and are probably not having the best day today. I respect that opinion, even though I disagree.

After watching #4 go play for the team I most passionately hate after cheering for him for 16 years, I felt deeply betrayed. And yes, I am still bitter about it. But the game yesterday gave me a bit of relief: I loved watching the saints go after him and pound him into the ground over and over. I also enjoyed watching him limp off the field, because that's what a sports traitor deserves. To me it felt like he got exactly what he gave to the fans. And seeing him choke with the picks was great seeing him do that for the rival team, just as he did to us over and over. I've had to listen to people mock him for his playoff chokes for a decade and always defended him. Today, I get to listen to them talk about how he choked for another team, and there is something distinctly satisfying about that. I hope he comes back for one last season, because I want the Packers to steamroll through them now that they've got some experience in the 3-4 and not playing them twice as the scheme is in its infancy.

Anyway, I do understand that many of you disagree, which is your right, but this is MY opinion!

MichiganPackerFan, you are reading my mind. I cheered for that goofball for 16 years. It hasn't been any fun AT ALL watching him play so well for the one team I loathe the most. On some Packer boards queen fans would come on and rub it in our faces on top of it all. Nausiating to say the least. And now that #4 has thrown yet another pick in a playoff game to ruin the Vikes' season I will revel in this. If Favre fans don't like it, I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

Totally with you, no way in hell could I stomach seeing Favre win the Vikings their first SB title. I almost felt bad for him but then I thought about all the INTs he threw as a Packer that cost us games, it was about time that shit happened to the Vikings. It amazing me after almost 20 years playing this game he still made that throw. Thats one thing I love about Rodgers, even though he did have the game losing fumble he rarely turns the ball over.


why would it surprise you ? He's successfully made that throw most of his career and much of this year to Sydney Rice. You can celebrate in his failure or feel empathy; but I'm surprised many you be shocked he tried.

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

Common sense and a general understanding of football.

[b bulldog]

Brett is not a big game QB, THAT IS OBVIOUS. :lol: That comment will probably get me banned. What happened to this site, it was once a place where we could banter, now, the pro4 people get you banned. Stating the obvious isn't tolerated by those in power, oh well, all the good posters from the past are gone anyway. Disliked 4 years ago, literally can't staND the diva now, the dumbest QB of all time.

[ThunderDan]

Usually when he makes the throw to Rice it's about 2 feet higher because he knows the defender's there. He got fooled.

Really? And you know that how? Being a Packer fan and hating the Vikings and all.


Good Lord people give it a rest!

This is the same reason Arod throws the ball high to Finley. Tall athletic WR/TE that can go up and grab the ball at a higher point than the shorter DB can get up to. It's also why NFL teams are in love with 6 foot plus CB and will draft them earlier than the should based on potential alone.

[mraynrand]

When you've lost three NFCC games all on late interceptions, all of which were poor decisions and unforced errors, you start to recognize a pattern. What's interesting is that ultimately Favre never changed. His first pick was a risky throw into coverage when he had Chewy for a short gain or could have run it way back in 1995, his second was a waffler to the most covered of four receivers in 2007 and his final was an entirely risky throw when he could have run it in 2009. Not to mention the hot air ballon in Philly, or the beyond the line of scrimmage toss against MN because he was afraid of getting hit. Not flukes, but rather a consistent pattern throughout his career.

In all the playoff games Favre has lost, there were many other contributing factors to the losses (4th and 26 in Philly, bad defense against the Vikings and the Rams in 2004 and 2001, respectively, poor offensive line play against the Giants (no run game) in 2007, turnovers by MN this year, etc. etc.) but in none of these games did Favre play the kind of game you expect for a seasoned veteran, hall of fame QB. Game after game, he made critical, unforced errors that cost his team. Those teams probably would have lost many, if not all those games, even had Favre played 'perfectly.' But the point is that we'll never know, because far from playing perfectly, Favre played poorly in many of them. That's just the facts. Favre played poorly. For someone who wanted to see him win all but one of those games, it was pretty hard to take, especially since I know he was capable of so much more.

[Bretsky]

I use to put him in the best ever conversation; now I agree with you. I'd put him in top ten....but not even top five anymore. Too many bad mistakes

Favre might have been remembered as the greatest ever if Holmgren had stayed in Green Bay. In 7 seasons with Holmgren: 3 MVP's, 2 Super Bowls, 9-5 playoff record.

Post Holmgren: 0 MVP's, 0 Super Bowls, 4-6 playoff record.

Gotta agree with this; good point

[Bretsky]

Jared Allen's Queen plea for the BF to return:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/29/an-offer-favre-may-not-be-able-to-refuse/


Funny stuff

[Bretsky]

Brett is not a big game QB, THAT IS OBVIOUS. :lol: That comment will probably get me banned. What happened to this site, it was once a place where we could banter, now, the pro4 people get you banned. Stating the obvious isn't tolerated by those in power, oh well, all the good posters from the past are gone anyway. Disliked 4 years ago, literally can't staND the diva now, the dumbest QB of all time.

Part of this IMO is pretty ignorant.

What posters have got other posters banned ?

What gets people on timeouts are personal attacks and blatant disrespect and courtesy to others. Those who don't partake in that can choose to stay around if they want.

I may be incorrect but I don't think admin is pro4, as you refer to it as.

[Scott Campbell]

I would like to go Bert's HOF induction to participate in the heckling. Do you guys think the NFL will take steps to keep out all the people that hate the guy?

[Patler]

Favre might have been remembered as the greatest ever if Holmgren had stayed in Green Bay. In 7 seasons with Holmgren: 3 MVP's, 2 Super Bowls, 9-5 playoff record.

Post Holmgren: 0 MVP's, 0 Super Bowls, 4-6 playoff record.

Gotta agree with this; good point

Maybe, but I wonder. Holmgren often talked about how headstrong Favre was, and how difficult it was to control him. As Favre matured and gained fame and maybe ego, he may not have been as willing to toe the line for Holmgren either. Then again, maybe Holmgren would always have been the mentor to whom Favre would defer. Hard to know.

Of course, I am not as much of an admirer of Holmgren as some of you are. I think he was very good, but also let opportunities get away from him. I look at Holmgren being to coaching what Favre is to quarterbacking. Both are guys who were good enough to get better results than they did. In some ways neither confronted their own limitations adequately to be their best.

[Fritz]

I agree with Patler. Don't forget too that some of Favre's poorer play or records later came as he aged - one might argue that Holmgren had Favre in his physical prime..

And by the way, I agree about Holmgren as well. I really think he mishandled the second Super Bowl game as well as the entire season that followed, his last in GB.

[Pugger]

My husband has always thought that Favre was uncoachable to some extent, otherwise he wouldn't keep making the same boneheaded mistakes he does and we would never had heard of the 'disagreement' #4 and Chilly had earlier this season. BF needs a strong headed HC/father figure around to keep him in line and having a guy like Sherman all those years was probably the worse thing that could have happened to GB, BF and us fans. Sherman letting #4 do as he pleased created a monster and is why he is the way he is today. Losing his father didn't help either. Can you imagin this divorce would have gone down had Irv still been around??

[MJZiggy]

Ya know, a friend and I got into this very discussion yesterday. What would have happened had Irv still been around. I think Irv kicks him in the ass and tells him to shut up and play, that he's the QB not the coach. Irv was a coach and didn't put up with a lot of crap from what I could tell.

[mraynrand]

I would like to go Bert's HOF induction to participate in the heckling. Do you guys think the NFL will take steps to keep out all the people that hate the guy?

I plan on going and enjoying it. I've come around to the point that I realize it's probably been pretty hard for Favre to stay humble or not be a Diva when he has people kissing all his body parts all the time. When you look at a lot of Divas, they all share in common one thing: a cadre of adoring fans/sycophants who refuse to see any flaws in their dear leader. Favre is responsible for some/ a lot of this, but when ESPN allows Deanna to recite her Favre poetry twice in one broadcast, you have to ask yourself "What chance has the guy got?" The things that we all liked about Favre haven't changed much, unfortunately, we got to see too much behind the curtain and too much into the nature of the rest of his family. One wonders if the Favre downward slide into diva territory didn't really start or accelerate until 'Ole Irv bought the farm.

[Joemailman]

Ya know, a friend and I got into this very discussion yesterday. What would have happened had Irv still been around. I think Irv kicks him in the ass and tells him to shut up and play, that he's the QB not the coach. Irv was a coach and didn't put up with a lot of crap from what I could tell.

I've felt this way for a couple of years. Once Irv died, Favre was surrounded by yes people. Deanna, Bus Cook, the guy from the Biloxi newspaper. This can screw up anyone's mind. When you have people heaping adulation on you, you need someone to keep you grounded. I think that was Irv. When Irv was around, Favre always showed great respect for his coaches and the people running the Packer organization. That kind of dissipated in his later years.

[hoosier]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?

[Bretsky]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?


As I've noted time will heal all wounds and most of you will start respecting the guy enough to call him by his real name again some time after he retires.

Well, except Scott Campbell :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

That's the great thing about last Sunday. Time can't reverse that clutch choke job that kept his team out of the Superbowl. It's etched in stone for eternity.


:lol:

[pbmax]

But we all are still on for going to Sharper's induction and chanting 4th and 26? :lol:

I wonder if he will take a bad angle to the podium and end up sitting in Steve Young's lap.

[Scott Campbell]

Most Famous Quote Of All Time About Brett Favre:

A) He's like a kid out there.
B) He's like a linebacker in a QB's body.
C) He's the most entertaining QB in history.
D) THIS IS NOT DETROIT!!!


It's truly amazing what you can do to your legacy with one amazingly boneheaded play.





I'd have started a poll on this if it were still legal.

[mraynrand]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?

The reason you are an ideologue is because you choose to read only that which agrees with your perspective.



Favre is responsible for some/ a lot of this

[mraynrand]

Hilarious to hear even Aynrand making excuses for the guy. What ever happened to good old fashioned personal responsibility? Does Bert get a pass on that too?


As I've noted time will heal all wounds and most of you will start respecting the guy enough to call him by his real name again some time after he retires.



Favre is responsible for some/ a lot of this

[Bretsky]

That's the great thing about last Sunday. Time can't reverse that clutch choke job that kept his team out of the Superbowl. It's etched in stone for eternity.


:lol:


While I might agree this was his worst play of them all, most do remember that that the poor play is just a small portion of why MN is not going to the Super Bowl. Even if he does what he should Longwell still needs to nail a long field goal.....and I don't even need to remind..even you...of all the blunders by everyone else in that game...fumbles...calls...etc

[Bretsky]

But we all are still on for going to Sharper's induction and chanting 4th and 26? :lol:

I wonder if he will take a bad angle to the podium and end up sitting in Steve Young's lap.


Reminds me that I'm the odd bird

I'm happy when Sharper does well as well as Favre

[mraynrand]

That's the great thing about last Sunday. Time can't reverse that clutch choke job that kept his team out of the Superbowl. It's etched in stone for eternity.

While I might agree this was his worst play of them all

I wouldn't

http://s453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/?action=view&current=favremoonshot.flv

[mraynrand]

Most Famous Quote Of All Time About Brett Favre:


D) THIS IS NOT DETROIT!!!


It's truly amazing what you can do to your legacy with one amazingly boneheaded play.

l.

Or ten. It's interesting. Even the NFLN, which has a long history of licking Favre's anus, had a hard time wrapping their sycophantic player-apologetic arms around the Favre detonation in N.O. However, when they replayed the radio broadcast, they deliberately cut off Paul Allen before his (should be) famous line.

[Scott Campbell]

A week later and it's still priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_zlgCIIZkw

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder if I can make that into a ring tone for my cell phone.

[Scott Campbell]

More support for Brett from the purple faithful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ_K4Mlt4w

[Scott Campbell]

While I might agree this was his worst play of them all, most do remember that that the poor play is just a small portion of why MN is not going to the Super Bowl.



Agreed.


The remainder of the blame lays squarely on his character issues finally catching up with him.

[Packerarcher]

As I said before it was a terrible play and about the only one of the game that was a bad one for Brett. But they were at least in the NFC championship game,where again were Mcstubby,TT,and the rest of the Packer org during that game. OH,that's right at home watching it on tv.

[gex]

While I might agree this was his worst play of them all, most do remember that that the poor play is just a small portion of why MN is not going to the Super Bowl.



Agreed.


The remainder of the blame lays squarely on his character issues finally catching up with him.

Admin Joe, Cmon, How long you gonna let this joker sit here and bait people, he is adding nothing and trying his best to start a flame war!
:cry:

[Scott Campbell]

The more things change.........


http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/brett-favre-packers.jpg


http://i.cnn.net/si/fannation/01-favre-jets.jpg


http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/images/photos/000/807/449/96146949.jpg.5222.0_feature.jpg


........the more they stay the same.

[Scott Campbell]

Admin Joe, Cmon, How long you gonna let this joker sit here and bait people, he is adding nothing and trying his best to start a flame war!
:cry:



Cmon gex, lets keep it about Favre. It's not my fault that he choked. You didn't see me complaining about you or any of the others when he beat the Packers.










Favre comments are in the Favre thread. NOWHERE else.

Other threads will be immediately locked. repeat offenders will be deactivated.

Personal attacks on either side of the Favre aisle will not be looked upon well. Keep your personal opinions to yourself if you cannot express them without attacking someone elses position.

[Bossman641]

The more things change.........


http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/brett-favre-packers.jpg


http://i.cnn.net/si/fannation/01-favre-jets.jpg


http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/images/photos/000/807/449/96146949.jpg.5222.0_feature.jpg


........the more they stay the same.

LOL, that was pretty good

[pbmax]

But we all are still on for going to Sharper's induction and chanting 4th and 26? :lol:

I wonder if he will take a bad angle to the podium and end up sitting in Steve Young's lap.


Reminds me that I'm the odd bird

I'm happy when Sharper does well as well as Favre
Darren or Brett doing well doesn't bother me. Playing well against the Packers does, but that is simple self-interest and short lived.

4th and 26 bothers me, and that was when Sharper was a Packer. If Nutz and I have to go alone, we will be heard (I think it was Nutz I promised to accompany, might have been Skin).

[GrnBay007]

While I might agree this was his worst play of them all, most do remember that that the poor play is just a small portion of why MN is not going to the Super Bowl.



Agreed.


The remainder of the blame lays squarely on his character issues finally catching up with him.

After your little bash-fest are you really one to talk about character?




“There is nothing in which people more betray their character than in what they laugh at.” ~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[GrnBay007]

Cmon gex, lets keep it about Favre. It's not my fault that he choked. You didn't see me complaining about you or any of the others when he beat the Packers.

What exactly did Gex and the others do after he beat the Packers? Nothing if I remember correctly.

[Patler]

Cmon gex, lets keep it about Favre. It's not my fault that he choked. You didn't see me complaining about you or any of the others when he beat the Packers.

What exactly did Gex and the others do after he beat the Packers? Nothing if I remember correctly.

I thought it was the Vikings who beat the Packers, not Favre. :lol:
Seriously, though, it always intrigues me when comments are made about a player beating another team.

If Favre beat the Packers, then Favre lost the game to the Saints.

[channtheman]

I was wondering if anyone knew or knew of how you could find this stat. How many seasons of Favre's have ended on an INT and how many seasons did he have where the last throw was an INT in the playoffs?

[Scott Campbell]

While I might agree this was his worst play of them all, most do remember that that the poor play is just a small portion of why MN is not going to the Super Bowl.



Agreed.


The remainder of the blame lays squarely on his character issues finally catching up with him.

After your little bash-fest are you really one to talk about character?


You don't think I'm a character?


PackerRats is a lot like society in general. There are some people for Favre. There are some people against him. Especially after that last game.


It's how we act towards each other that's important.

[Administrator]

Admin Joe, Cmon, How long you gonna let this joker sit here and bait people, he is adding nothing and trying his best to start a flame war!
:cry:

So, I'm supposed to ban him because you disagree with him? :huh:

He's a self admitted jackass. Don't take the bait, and he'll go away... If you can't do that, well, then I don't know how to help you.

[Administrator]

It's how we act towards each other that's important.

Could you lead the parade with this flag? I think there are a fair number of folks here who would be surprised that you think this is important, judging from my PM inbox anyhow.

[Scott Campbell]

Yeah, my criticism of Favre is a bit over the top. Frankly there is so much new material from last week that the guy has really been a gold mine. And I'm not up to speed on the draft yet, so I don't have much to add there. But I'll get there.

This is a community, with opinions here that run the full range on many issues. This just happens to be the highest profile one from the last few years.

I accept that those that still love and respect the guy. That's their right, and I'm not going to change their minds. But we all signed up for this when this thread started. It's not a PackerRats requirement that everyone love Favre. It should be easy enough to avoid this one thread if it's that upsetting.

Love me or hate me - just keep posting here at PackerRats. It takes all kinds to make a community.

[sheepshead]

More support for Brett from the purple faithful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ_K4Mlt4w

This is beautiful. I have to admit, I was the same way watching the giants game and 4th and 26. Thankfully no one had a camera.

[Scott Campbell]

More support for Brett from the purple faithful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ_K4Mlt4w

This is beautiful. I have to admit, I was the same way watching the giants game and 4th and 26. Thankfully no one had a camera.



I keep towels handy during games, because they don't break the television when I throw them.

[Scott Campbell]

.......,where again were Mcstubby,TT,and the rest of the Packer org during that game. OH,that's right at home watching it on tv.


Yeah, on TV - hopefully they recorded it. I imagine for the Packer brass, it had to be hard differentiating between Favre's epic collapse and America's Funniest Videos. I think you're just kidding yourself if you think they didn't relish watching Favre puke up all over himself yet again - this time keeping the Vikings from reaching the Superbowl. I'm sure Ted found the moment as magical as the rest of us did - even if he can't admit it.

[ThunderDan]

NFL NETWORK

Greatest 4th Quarters

Showing Pack vs Vikes in 2000


Didn't that asshole guy that everyone hates play in that game....the dude everyone boo's cause they hate him?



Yup, and that guy who completely sucks rocks and always has played pretty dang well that game.

Gex, isn't this pretty much what you're complaining SC does?

[hoosier]

Most Famous Quote Of All Time About Brett Favre:

A) He's like a kid out there.
B) He's like a linebacker in a QB's body.
C) He's the most entertaining QB in history.
D) THIS IS NOT DETROIT!!!

This may not be Detroit, but then again even Detroit manages to win an NFL championship every now and then (1935, '52, '53, '57). Bercich just wishes it were Detroit. :lol:

[MichiganPackerFan]

But we all are still on for going to Sharper's induction and chanting 4th and 26? :lol:

I wonder if he will take a bad angle to the podium and end up sitting in Steve Young's lap.

That is DAMN funny!!!

[sheepshead]

But we all are still on for going to Sharper's induction and chanting 4th and 26? :lol:

I wonder if he will take a bad angle to the podium and end up sitting in Steve Young's lap.

That is DAMN funny!!!

+1


I did see him make his first tackle since 2003 this month however.

[The Shadow]

.......,where again were Mcstubby,TT,and the rest of the Packer org during that game. OH,that's right at home watching it on tv.


Yeah, on TV - hopefully they recorded it. I imagine for the Packer brass, it had to be hard differentiating between Favre's epic collapse and America's Funniest Videos. I think you're just kidding yourself if you think they didn't relish watching Favre puke up all over himself yet again - this time keeping the Vikings from reaching the Superbowl. I'm sure Ted found the moment as magical as the rest of us did - even if he can't admit it.

:D

[esoxx]

Yeah, my criticism of Favre is a bit over the top. Frankly there is so much new material from last week that the guy has really been a gold mine.

At least you admit to being a troll.

[Scott Campbell]

Yeah, my criticism of Favre is a bit over the top. Frankly there is so much new material from last week that the guy has really been a gold mine.

At least you admit to being a troll.


If this were FavreRats, I'd be a troll. But as it stands, you'd have to hate on the Packers to be a troll here.

[BF4MVP]

A week later and it's still priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_zlgCIIZkw
I didn't even notice that the guy did Jared Allen's sack dance after the pick. Priceless stuff!! :lol: 8-) :D

[Fritz]

Cmon gex, lets keep it about Favre. It's not my fault that he choked. You didn't see me complaining about you or any of the others when he beat the Packers.

What exactly did Gex and the others do after he beat the Packers? Nothing if I remember correctly.

I thought it was the Vikings who beat the Packers, not Favre. :lol:
Seriously, though, it always intrigues me when comments are made about a player beating another team.

If Favre beat the Packers, then Favre lost the game to the Saints.

Exactly. It's a team game, all the way around. Favre's excellent passing was an asset to the Vikes this season, but the team beat the Packers twice. Jared Allen, Adrian Peterson, Antoine Winfield, et al. Same with the loss to the Saints. Lots of good plays, lots of bungled plays by lots of players.

But the QB position seems more in the spotlight and the tendency is to give the QB too much credit or too much blame. I don't agree with that way of seeing a QB, any more than I'd blame Ernie Banks for not being a "winner," but if you're going to do that, then be consistent.

[sheepshead]

Brett Favre’s Offseason Daily Planner

Jan 24 – Throw inexcusable pick to blow Vikings Super Bowl chances.
Jan 25 – Announce that “It’s highly unlikely” you’ll come back to play
again in 2010.
Feb 1 – Get interviewed for Peter King’s MMQB column. Tell him “no
decision” has been made, but “Deanna and I are going home to
Mississippi” and give it some thought. Fish for compliments by telling
King how banged up I am. Be sure to mention that this gets harder every
year.
Feb 1-9 – Quality time with family. Also monitor the web for
speculation about my future.
Feb 10 – Leak to John Clayton I’m retiring.
Feb 11 – Deny reports about my retirement.
Feb 15 – Formally announce my retirement in teary press conference.
Don’t forget to say “I don’t have anything left” and “I gave it
everything I had.”
Feb 15-19 - Keep schedule clear to watch “Brett Favre Tribute Week” on
ESPN. TiVo same on NFL Net.
March 1 – Call Adam Schefter to start “second thoughts” rumors.
March 2 – Deny second thoughts.
March 15 – Dinner with Chilly.
March 16 – Call Minneapolis Star Tribune. Say “This is the best I’ve
felt in 10 years.”
March 20 – Call in with “Mike & Mike.” Insist you’re not coming back
but if you did you could compete at a high level.
April 22-24 – NFL Draft. Encourage Chilly to draft a QB because you’re
done.
April 30-May 3. Skip mini camp.
May 30 – Have agent call Zigi Wulf re: new contract
June 1 – Tell Jason LaCanfora “I’m not sure” about coming back.
July 24 – Training camp opens. Go fishing in Lousiana.
Aug 24 – Sign record contract.
Aug 25 - Report to Vikings camp. Tell press “I’m here to win.” Say you
don’t want the focus to be on you”. Cry.

[KYPack]

This from an old Norman Chad column...

• Favre calls NBC's Peter King and tells him he's retiring for at least five days, maybe longer.
• Favre gets arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder while looking at carpet swatches for his pool room.
• Favre walks into CVS and buys Ben Gay.
• Scrambling for a parking spot at Home Depot, Favre throws his car up for grabs.
• ESPN's Ed Werder reports Favre was rubbing his right arm while dining at Applebee's in Clinton, Miss.
• Favre walks onto the set of "SportsCenter" and tells Neil Everett he can retire again that evening if they are having a slow news day.
• ESPN's John Clayton reports Favre has six fingers on his right (throwing) hand and five fingers on his left (non-throwing) hand.
• ESPN's Ed Werder reports Favre has five fingers on his right (throwing) hand and six fingers on his left (non-throwing) hand.
• Favre goes on HBO's "Joe Buck Live" and shows he has five fingers on each hand, but says he hasn't thrown a football in four months.
• ESPN's John Clayton reports that Ed Werder was on the phone with Sal Paolantonio while he was leaving a voice mail for Favre.
• ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirms Charles Lindbergh's baby has been kidnapped. Favre, house-hunting in Eden Prairie, runs into one of his errant passes from December '03 Packers-at-Vikings game.
• Brett Favre's Steakhouse in Green Bay changes its menu for the third time in 16 months.
• Favre switches from DirecTV to Dish TV.
• Favre, casting out for walleye in Little Sioux, Iowa, overthrows lake.
• Favre calls John Madden and tries to talk him out of retirement.
• Fox's Jay Glazer reports Favre is lifting weights that Glazer gave him.
• NBC's Peter King spills coffee on his notes from his most recent phone conversation with Favre.
• Favre tells a close friend he doesn't think he wants to wear pants any more.
• Favre walks away from Wrangler, begins discreet talks with Dockers.
• At monthly Retirees Anonymous meeting, Favre aggravates arm injury exchanging playful punches with Sugar Ray Leonard.
• ESPN reports Favre is talking to the Dalai Lama about a consulting position.
• Favre practices Hamlet's Act Three, Scene 1 soliloquy.
• Favre calls Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, asks operator if players can be inducted while still active.
• Favre fills out application for Greenpeace.
• Favre cancels life insurance, gambling he might live forever.
• Favre and wife Deanna discuss renewing vows, but he puts its off until shoulder is fully healed.
• Vikings officials watch Favre throw for 15 minutes at local high school.
• Vikings officials watch Favre parallel park for five minutes at local barbershop.
• Vikings officials watch Favre throw off the media for 45 minutes.
• Favre spurns Vikings, signs deal to split time between L.A. Galaxy and AC Milan

[red]

any one else see the pictures of favre after the last game?

ouch

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491&plckPostId=Blog:7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491Po st:555f5471-950c-4abf-b179-0ec2fa6438ed&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

he is and always has been one tough son of a bitch

[Brando19]

any one else see the pictures of favre after the last game?

ouch

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491&plckPostId=Blog:7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491Po st:555f5471-950c-4abf-b179-0ec2fa6438ed&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

he is and always has been one tough son of a bitch

I'll admit...that is a tough son of a gun. Unbelievable football player and not many would play through that. That being said...does anyone else...deeeeeep down inside believe he wanted these pictures to be leaked so fans would think, "Damn. No wonder he threw that interception and cost the Vikings the game. All is forgiven."?

[SkinBasket]

any one else see the pictures of favre after the last game?

ouch

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491&plckPostId=Blog:7dd1ad9f2be5463c88b30377822ff491Po st:555f5471-950c-4abf-b179-0ec2fa6438ed&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

he is and always has been one tough son of a bitch

I'll admit...that is a tough son of a gun. Unbelievable football player and not many would play through that. That being said...does anyone else...deeeeeep down inside believe he wanted these pictures to be leaked so fans would think, "Damn. No wonder he threw that interception and cost the Vikings the game. All is forgiven."?

I don't "wonder." His agent gave them to the media. Not much to wonder about except why Gretta didn't get the scoop.

While I do admire playing through the obvious pain, I can imagine a lot of guys could take these kind of pictures during the season.

[Joemailman]

Both of those injuries might have happened on the same play. McCray's helmet goes through Favre's legs and he puts a shoulder pad on each leg. That play shows what a freak of nature Favre is. A lot of guys would have had ligament damage from a hit like that. Favre ended up with a bad bruise. It was a dirty play IMO.

[Freak Out]

It was a dirty play IMO.

I don't remember the replay all that well but I think the NFL fined him 20G after the game and said that it was a missed call on the refs part.

[Bossman641]

Both of those injuries might have happened on the same play. McCray's helmet goes through Favre's legs and he puts a shoulder pad on each leg. That play shows what a freak of nature Favre is. A lot of guys would have had ligament damage from a hit like that. Favre ended up with a bad bruise. It was a dirty play IMO.

I dunno about dirty, I don't think McCray tried to hit him low the way he did. And he certainly didn't know Favre was getting hit up top as well. It looked pretty bad though.

[Fritz]

In order to really understand how bad those pictures are, it'd be useful to have pictures of other players' injured body parts (I just hope nobody hurt his penis) to compare.

They look really bad, for sure, but I don't know anything about professional football players and what exactly they go through, so I don't have anything to compare those pics to.

[mraynrand]

I think he looked worse at his press conference. He couldn't even stand at the podium.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y-jxFtv_Yzs/SQppKBA0P2I/AAAAAAAAAJg/7ZEgUJEmytg/s400/christ.jpg

[Bossman641]

I think he looked worse at his press conference. He couldn't even stand at the podium.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y-jxFtv_Yzs/SQppKBA0P2I/AAAAAAAAAJg/7ZEgUJEmytg/s400/christ.jpg

Hahahaha

[Brando19]

I think he looked worse at his press conference. He couldn't even stand at the podium.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y-jxFtv_Yzs/SQppKBA0P2I/AAAAAAAAAJg/7ZEgUJEmytg/s400/christ.jpg

Hahahaha

:shock: Really, guys?

[MJZiggy]

Ya know, that's not really Him, but an actor, right?

[Scott Campbell]

This is football. It ain't supposed to look like he was getting spa treatments.





I sure am glad that Aaron doesn't post pictures of his owies on the internet.

[KYPack]

Both of those injuries might have happened on the same play. McCray's helmet goes through Favre's legs and he puts a shoulder pad on each leg. That play shows what a freak of nature Favre is. A lot of guys would have had ligament damage from a hit like that. Favre ended up with a bad bruise. It was a dirty play IMO.

Dirty? Mebbe.

It's a penalty. The "Carson Palmer" rule says 15 on a hit below the knee on a QB in the pocket, intent or no.

[Patler]

What??? A football player played with a black & blue bruise? :shock: :shock: :shock:

[Zool]

WTF....seriously a football player having pictures of bruises posted on the web? I keep losing more and more respect for this guy with each ridiculous "LOOK AT ME" moment.