OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Gunakor]

http://www.dumbfans.com/wp-content/uploads/deannapalm.jpg

Leave the women and children at home.

[packerbacker1234]

http://johnweldon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/favre.jpg

Cheap shot.

Depends on the era. Once upon a time it was simply called football.

Didn't see him complaining, and he strapped it up and kept playing. Like to see Manning do that. I think the only reason manning wouldn't keep playing is because he would still today, 5 months later, be complaining to the ref.

[falco]

Didn't see him complaining

I think that was because he was on the ground, motionless. :P

[Gunakor]

http://johnweldon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/favre.jpg

Cheap shot.

Depends on the era. Once upon a time it was simply called football.

Didn't see him complaining, and he strapped it up and kept playing. Like to see Manning do that. I think the only reason manning wouldn't keep playing is because he would still today, 5 months later, be complaining to the ref.

Oh I agree 100%. Favre is one of the last real gladiators left playing the game today, I'd be lying through my teeth if I said otherwise. I just find it funny that, with Favre being a gladiator playing a gladiator sport, that his fans or fans of this sport in general would be crying foul over this.

[Gunakor]

I blame Tom Brady's pussy ass for the uproar over this hit.

[Fritz]

http://www.dumbfans.com/wp-content/uploads/deannapalm.jpg

Leave the women and children at home.

If that's Favre's daughter to the left of Deanna, I'd have to say that he and his wife produce some fine looking offspring.

[mraynrand]

http://johnweldon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/favre.jpg

Cheap shot.

Depends on the era. Once upon a time it was simply called football.

Didn't see him complaining, and he strapped it up and kept playing. Like to see Manning do that. I think the only reason manning wouldn't keep playing is because he would still today, 5 months later, be complaining to the ref.

It's funny because it's true!

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/01/21/1169432371_4713.jpg

[Scott Campbell]

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[Patler]

http://johnweldon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/favre.jpg

Cheap shot.

Depends on the era. Once upon a time it was simply called football.

Didn't see him complaining, and he strapped it up and kept playing. Like to see Manning do that. I think the only reason manning wouldn't keep playing is because he would still today, 5 months later, be complaining to the ref.

I'm not a real Manning fan, but I'm not sure where the comment about Manning not playing through it comes from (assuming you meant Peyton). He has played 192 straight since game #1 as a rookie 12 seasons ago. I suspect during that time he has played through his share of things too. No one avoids it completely for 12 seasons.

When Favre's string was approaching 200, it was viewed by some as virtually unbelievable for a QB. Either Manning's streak deserves the same respect as Favre got at the same stage, or Favre's wasn't as impressive at that time as we were lead to believe. Which is it?

[Scott Campbell]

I think Manning deserves some more credit. What he's done doesn't diminish the stature of Bert's durability.

[Patler]

I think Manning deserves some more credit. What he's done doesn't diminish the stature of Bert's durability.

Yup, that's my point. Favre has long passed the 200 game mark, and that speaks for itself. But wasn't the old mark for QBs something in the 170's? Manning has exceeded that by a significant amount and deserves to be recognized for it too.

I doubt Manning will ever catch Favre, because he may retire before Favre! :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

I think Manning deserves some more credit. What he's done doesn't diminish the stature of Bert's durability.

Yup, that's my point. Favre has long passed the 200 game mark, and that speaks for itself. But wasn't the old mark for QBs something in the 170's? Manning has exceeded that by a significant amount and deserves to be recognized for it too.

I doubt Manning will ever catch Favre, because he may retire before Favre! :lol:


I know you're joking, but Peyton is 34. Who knows how much longer he'll play.

[KYPack]

I think Manning deserves some more credit. What he's done doesn't diminish the stature of Bert's durability.

Yup, that's my point. Favre has long passed the 200 game mark, and that speaks for itself. But wasn't the old mark for QBs something in the 170's? Manning has exceeded that by a significant amount and deserves to be recognized for it too.

I doubt Manning will ever catch Favre, because he may retire before Favre! :lol:

Peyton's over 200 if you count play-offs, BLF is over 300 if you count 'em.

Name Period Consecutive Starts Playoffs Total
1 Brett Favre 1992–present 285† 24 309
2 Peyton Manning 1998–present 192 18 210

I couldn't believe Brett has played the 24 play-off games, it doesn't seem that high, but I guess it is.....

(Sorry if the data is all skewed, I never did figure out how to insert a table in here.)

[Patler]

Peyton's over 200 if you count play-offs, BLF is over 300 if you count 'em.

Name Period Consecutive Starts Playoffs Total
1 Brett Favre 1992–present 285† 24 309
2 Peyton Manning 1998–present 192 18 210

I couldn't believe Brett has played the 24 play-off games, it doesn't seem that high, but I guess it is.....


24 for Favre is barely 1 per year! :lol:
Seriously though, 24 in 18 years as a starter. With two SB appearances and a few NFC Championship losses, the number runs up quite quickly.

Manning on a per season basis is a bit ahead, with 18 in 12 seasons as a starter.

[Scott Campbell]

A Viking fan perspective on the Favre signing from last year. I'm a little teary eyed.

This is just an excerpt. The full piece can be found here, and it's a must read.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/05/f-k-you-brett-favre.html


05.06.09
F–K YOU, BRETT FAVRE

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/brettfavre2.jpg

My favorite team is going to sign Brett Favre in the coming days, or weeks, or months, or however long it takes that fucking asshole to milk the publicity machine to his satisfaction. It’s going to happen. Debating whether or not it will is a complete waste of fucking time. When it comes to the Land Baron, speculation always becomes reality.

It’s fitting that it would come this. For years and years, I have fucking loathed Brett Favre with every fiber of my being. He is the single most self-aggrandizing piece of shit who ever walked the Earth, the most blatantly phony human being in America this side of Bobby Bowden. Say what you will of openly douchebaggy people like Matt Leinart or Spencer Pratt. At least there are no illusions when it comes to those gents’ intentions. Everything about Favre – from his style of play to his carefully cultivated everyman image – is complete bullshit, and everything about the man is tiresome, to the point where bitching about him being tiresome has become an even more tiresome enterprise than whatever it is that makes him tiresome to begin with. Not only am I sick of this dipshit, but I’m sick of being sick of him. And I resent that everyone is so tired of hating him, that I’m beating a dead horse by still hating him.

I have always argued that pro athletes should play their respective sports as long as they damn well please, because it’s still a kickass job even if you aren’t all that good at it anymore. So I don’t begrudge Favre his right to play football, even if it’s for the Vikings. What I do begrudge is the fact that this asshole NEVER WANTED TO FUCKING STOP PLAYING TO BEGIN WITH. He knew the second he rererereretired earlier this year that he’d try and get his release so he could play in Minnesota. This whole myth perpetrated by Peter King that, “I don’t think even Brett Favre knows what Brett Favre is going to do” is the most insulting pile of shit I’ve ever heard. That fuck knows exactly what the fuck he’s doing, and anyone who says otherwise probably spends all day licking radiators.

[Patler]

I think Manning deserves some more credit. What he's done doesn't diminish the stature of Bert's durability.

Yup, that's my point. Favre has long passed the 200 game mark, and that speaks for itself. But wasn't the old mark for QBs something in the 170's? Manning has exceeded that by a significant amount and deserves to be recognized for it too.

I doubt Manning will ever catch Favre, because he may retire before Favre! :lol:


I know you're joking, but Peyton is 34. Who knows how much longer he'll play.

I was only half joking. It wouldn't be a shock at all if Manning only played another 3 seasons or so. It also wouldn't be a shock if he is still playing 5 or 6 years from now. He doesn't seem to have any significant recurring physical issues, his performance hasn't declined, so he could last a long time yet, if he wants to.

[Patler]

A Viking fan perspective on the Favre signing from last year. I'm a little teary eyed.

This is just an excerpt. The full piece can be found here, and it's a must read.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/05/f-k-you-brett-favre.html



Whether you agree with the guy or not, you have to admire his style! :lol:
It's a long article, but consistent and well ordered. It would be entertaining even if you replaced the profanity.

I wonder if he wrote anything after their playoff loss???

[vince]

From the KSK post Campbell linked to:


Just know that I will fucking hunt you down with a goddamn bow when you end up fucking us in the end. And you will fuck us. Just know I’m far more excited by the thought of you getting booed at Lambeau than the thought of you being cheered at the Metrodome.
I'd love to read the epilogue to that awesome rant about a week after the late throw over the middle.

[mraynrand]

From the KSK post Campbell linked to:


Just know that I will fucking hunt you down with a goddamn bow when you end up fucking us in the end. And you will fuck us. Just know I’m far more excited by the thought of you getting booed at Lambeau than the thought of you being cheered at the Metrodome.
I'd love to read the epilogue to that awesome rant about a week after the late throw over the middle.

Maybe there is no epilogue because he got arrested. That was a pretty specific threat, and Favre fulfilled his part of the 'bargain.'

[swede]

A Viking fan perspective on the Favre signing from last year. I'm a little teary eyed.

This is just an excerpt. The full piece can be found here, and it's a must read.

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/05/f-k-you-brett-favre.html


05.06.09
F–K YOU, BRETT FAVRE

http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/brettfavre2.jpg

My favorite team is going to sign Brett Favre in the coming days, or weeks, or months, or however long it takes that fucking asshole to milk the publicity machine to his satisfaction. It’s going to happen. Debating whether or not it will is a complete waste of fucking time. When it comes to the Land Baron, speculation always becomes reality.

It’s fitting that it would come this. For years and years, I have fucking loathed Brett Favre with every fiber of my being. He is the single most self-aggrandizing piece of shit who ever walked the Earth, the most blatantly phony human being in America this side of Bobby Bowden. Say what you will of openly douchebaggy people like Matt Leinart or Spencer Pratt. At least there are no illusions when it comes to those gents’ intentions. Everything about Favre – from his style of play to his carefully cultivated everyman image – is complete bullshit, and everything about the man is tiresome, to the point where bitching about him being tiresome has become an even more tiresome enterprise than whatever it is that makes him tiresome to begin with. Not only am I sick of this dipshit, but I’m sick of being sick of him. And I resent that everyone is so tired of hating him, that I’m beating a dead horse by still hating him.

I have always argued that pro athletes should play their respective sports as long as they damn well please, because it’s still a kickass job even if you aren’t all that good at it anymore. So I don’t begrudge Favre his right to play football, even if it’s for the Vikings. What I do begrudge is the fact that this asshole NEVER WANTED TO FUCKING STOP PLAYING TO BEGIN WITH. He knew the second he rererereretired earlier this year that he’d try and get his release so he could play in Minnesota. This whole myth perpetrated by Peter King that, “I don’t think even Brett Favre knows what Brett Favre is going to do” is the most insulting pile of shit I’ve ever heard. That fuck knows exactly what the fuck he’s doing, and anyone who says otherwise probably spends all day licking radiators.

This guy needs to be recruited and given his own weekly column on Packerrats.

[Scott Campbell]

Imagine that. AP's pulling a Favre.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/11/tensions-rise-over-adrian-petersons-absence-from-minicamp/


When you enable Bert, everybody else wants the diva treatment too.

[Bretsky]

If it weren't for frickin Brett Favre dam Atari Bigby would be signed and in camp now

[Scott Campbell]

"I just know that there's a bunch of guys here," Childress said. "This has the term mandatory for a reason. The work's here."



Mandatory? Really??


http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2009/08/large_brett_favre_brad_childress.jpg

[channtheman]

I know this doesn't really have much to do with the current discussion but I have to say that I really like this Favre commercial here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pIvg-2vEY&feature=PlayList&p=D535C37FE94C968D&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=7

I don't really care for the first 20 seconds which are merely highlighted by Favre's teammate making a great catch on a bad throw, but I am intrigued that the commercial cuts away on the last throw by Favre. I have to think that Favre kept throwing interceptions and finally Wranglers was like "you know what, fuck it. Just cut away to the next commercial."

[falco]

Mandatory? Really?

:lol:

[Fritz]

I blame Peterson here. Clearly he has yet to learn how to manage his offseason lack of participation.

He hasn't learned the lessons that Favre has developed for superstar players: you simply claim that you are uncertain as to whether you want to continue to play or retire. You go on a few shows, proclaim your angst, acknowledge the bind it might put your team in, and - wala! - you don't have to attend anything because you're not really sure if you're playing next year or not.

Then you make your "decision" whenever you're ready to show up, and all is well.

AP has the tools at his disposal yet stands on the grounds of arrogance ("I'm going to the me parade") instead. The man has learned nothing at the feet of the Great One.

Minny fans should be disappointed.

[packerbacker1234]

Eh, AP has his home town having a big celebration for him. I think if AP had given more notice, this wouldn't even be talked about right now.

And I sort of agree with Childress - Favre gets special treatment because it's a far different situation. Sure, most are positive he is coming back, but if you call him up and say "your required to be here right now" when he hasn't officially stated it, he may just end up retiring and BOOM goes the superbowl shot in 2010.

I am guessing if peterson was still a top notch RB at age 40 (lol), he would be allowed ot miss shit right now too.


Fact is, he is still a young guy in this league who, for RB's, is entering his prime and he has a severe flaw that may or may not have causes the vikings to not be in the SB last season. He needs to be there working on it. Favre has been in the league too long to really be able to fix his mentality with the bad throws, but peterson still has time to fix his flaw.

[vince]

From the KSK post Campbell linked to:


Just know that I will fucking hunt you down with a goddamn bow when you end up fucking us in the end. And you will fuck us. Just know I’m far more excited by the thought of you getting booed at Lambeau than the thought of you being cheered at the Metrodome.
I'd love to read the epilogue to that awesome rant about a week after the late throw over the middle.

Maybe there is no epilogue because he got arrested. That was a pretty specific threat, and Favre fulfilled his part of the 'bargain.'
I found his book. It's called INTERCEPTED: Chronicles of my fucking failed attempt at avenging fucking Brett Favre, written from the Mississippit State fucking Penetentiary.

[Scott Campbell]

And I sort of agree with Childress - Favre gets special treatment because it's a far different situation.

ie..............

When does "mandatory" not mean "mandatory"?

When you're Bert frigg'n Favre - that's when.

[Scott Campbell]

Favre has been in the league too long to really be able to fix his mentality with the bad throws, but peterson still has time to fix his flaw.


So what you're saying is that Favre is beyond redemption for choking, but AP might yet be saved - if he goes to camp.

:lol:

[Bretsky]

Time to try to get caught up; well at least enough to get the posts to a 20-1 ratio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsP3rZWsxhI

[Bretsky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfaKoaAGNbo&feature=related

[Bretsky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrKCf8yoKkA&feature=related

[Bretsky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A6wvRgRM8Y&feature=related

[Scott Campbell]

Nice job rallying the troops.......errrrrr..........troop. :oops:

[Bretsky]

Nice job rallying the troops.......errrrrr..........troop. :oops:


Actually I'd rather rally by myself as much of the good hearted troops have been flushed out of the site.

[Scott Campbell]

Nice job rallying the troops.......errrrrr..........troop. :oops:


Actually I'd rather rally by myself as much of the good hearted troops have been flushed out of the site.


And you can watch them flushed out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJ_K4Mlt4w




They'll be back as soon as Bert makes a play - to say I told you so.

[Bretsky]

The good hearted ones don't rub everything into the faces of others. Part of the reason why I'd rather carry on alone

Barry Sanders

[Scott Campbell]

Barry Sanders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNMzWKn3OCE

[Bretsky]

Barry Sanders:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNMzWKn3OCE


he looked really stupid doing that

[RashanGary]

If you go to any Packer board, almost all of them are overrun with Packer fans. There aren't very many vocal Thompson haters or Favre lovers left anywhere.

[mraynrand]

From the KSK post Campbell linked to:


Just know that I will fucking hunt you down with a goddamn bow when you end up fucking us in the end. And you will fuck us. Just know I’m far more excited by the thought of you getting booed at Lambeau than the thought of you being cheered at the Metrodome.
I'd love to read the epilogue to that awesome rant about a week after the late throw over the middle.

Maybe there is no epilogue because he got arrested. That was a pretty specific threat, and Favre fulfilled his part of the 'bargain.'
I found his book. It's called INTERCEPTED: Chronicles of my fucking failed attempt at avenging fucking Brett Favre, written from the Mississippit State fucking Penetentiary.

LOL That's good copy.

[vince]

"I just know that there's a bunch of guys here," Childress said. "This has the term mandatory for a reason. The work's here."
She's pissed.
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad37/Pack_Attack/ba4ec57f03e4226bb068d94b8956309c_BR.jpg

[Joemailman]

I don't know for sure if there's a connection between what AP is doing, and the Favre situation. However, I will say that although I would have loved to see Favre as the Packers QB in 2008, the potential for this type of situation developing is one reason why I never criticized MM for deciding to go with Rodgers rather than bring Favre back. It is certainly understandable that a coach would not want to have one set of rules for one player, and another for everyone else. Obviously Childress doesn't have a problem with it. It would be interesting though to hear Childress explain why it is more important to have his starting running back at mini-camp than it is his starting quarterback.

[Scott Campbell]

People will put up with a lot when the alternative is Tavaris Jackson.

[mraynrand]

The work is here:

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/Chillylegs.jpg

[Iron Mike]

http://i50.tinypic.com/2hwdwdk.gif

[Merlin]

http://johnweldon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/favre.jpg

Cheap shot.

Depends on the era. Once upon a time it was simply called football.

Didn't see him complaining, and he strapped it up and kept playing. Like to see Manning do that. I think the only reason manning wouldn't keep playing is because he would still today, 5 months later, be complaining to the ref.

I'm not a real Manning fan, but I'm not sure where the comment about Manning not playing through it comes from (assuming you meant Peyton). He has played 192 straight since game #1 as a rookie 12 seasons ago. I suspect during that time he has played through his share of things too. No one avoids it completely for 12 seasons.

When Favre's string was approaching 200, it was viewed by some as virtually unbelievable for a QB. Either Manning's streak deserves the same respect as Favre got at the same stage, or Favre's wasn't as impressive at that time as we were lead to believe. Which is it?

If I remember right, didn't the refs screw the pooch on this call and then make up for it a play later with unnecessary roughness? This is the Tom Brady rule, or at least what the reult was supposed to prevent. Over the years two QB's have been way over protected by the refs: Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. Favre seldom has the call go his way and we also learned that they don't throw the flag for Rodgers much either. BUT, if you are Tom or Peyton - they can't be touched without a flag being thrown. I agree that they should just let them play the game but if you are going to make up rules to protect the QB, every team has one and they need to enforce it equally. I don't know what the points of emphasis are for 2010, but this whole favoritism thing that the refs pull is BS.

[pbmax]

Favre seldom has the call go his way and we also learned that they don't throw the flag for Rodgers much either.
Where does his assessment come from? Doesn't get the flag? People have been complaining for years about the stuff he gets away with. For just one example, recall the Viking (while he was still a Packer) game where he removed his helmet, then remembered it was a penalty and slammed it back down on his head, all in front of the Head Ref. No call. No Viking fan who remembers that play will agree that Favre doesn't get calls.

And I think Manning's rep on this is confused with the fact that Polian got a point of emphasis passed by the Competition Committee after their yearly playoff loss to the Patriots, where the Patriots roughed up the Colts receivers multiple times inside (and sometime after) five yards. Mostly Peyton just whines.

As for the non flag vs. New Orleans, I have no idea how it was supposed to be called. Did Perreira do his NFL Network segment on it? At the time, I thought that the fact that the initial hit was just above the knee, and the fact that it came from behind (as opposed to the ligament shredding hit from the side or front) saved the lineman from the flag. The NFL has taking QB roughing and the catch and possession rules and made them impenetrable for me.

[retailguy]

Favre seldom has the call go his way and we also learned that they don't throw the flag for Rodgers much either.
Where does his assessment come from? Doesn't get the flag? People have been complaining for years about the stuff he gets away with. For just one example, recall the Viking (while he was still a Packer) game where he removed his helmet, then remembered it was a penalty and slammed it back down on his head, all in front of the Head Ref. No call. No Viking fan who remembers that play will agree that Favre doesn't get calls.

And I think Manning's rep on this is confused with the fact that Polian got a point of emphasis passed by the Competition Committee after their yearly playoff loss to the Patriots, where the Patriots roughed up the Colts receivers multiple times inside (and sometime after) five yards. Mostly Peyton just whines.

As for the non flag vs. New Orleans, I have no idea how it was supposed to be called. Did Perreira do his NFL Network segment on it? At the time, I thought that the fact that the initial hit was just above the knee, and the fact that it came from behind (as opposed to the ligament shredding hit from the side or front) saved the lineman from the flag. The NFL has taking QB roughing and the catch and possession rules and made them impenetrable for me.

well said, PB.

[Iron Mike]

Favre has been in the league too long to really be able to fix his mentality with the bad throws, but peterson still has time to fix his flaw.


So what you're saying is that Favre is beyond redemption for choking, but AP might yet be saved - if he goes to camp.

:lol:

What I'm saying is that if BrINT doesn't have to show up for camp, Purple Jesus shouldn't have to either......

[Scott Campbell]

Hey Brad, good luck trying to fine AP for missing camp. :lol:

[Bossman641]

I know this doesn't really have much to do with the current discussion but I have to say that I really like this Favre commercial here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2pIvg-2vEY&feature=PlayList&p=D535C37FE94C968D&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=7

I don't really care for the first 20 seconds which are merely highlighted by Favre's teammate making a great catch on a bad throw, but I am intrigued that the commercial cuts away on the last throw by Favre. I have to think that Favre kept throwing interceptions and finally Wranglers was like "you know what, fuck it. Just cut away to the next commercial."

If they really wanted to make the commercial realistic they would have begun it with video of Favre sitting at home while all the other players called and texted him begging him to come play and telling him how much they really needed him. :D

[Fritz]

It would be fun to write a commercial for him. Sears did pretty well with the indecisiveness bit, but maybe a car company could hire him to be a spokesperson for the theme of cutting corners. Y'know, Brent could be shown sitting on his lawn tractor with a beer in hand, then cut to his teammates sweating in the hot Mankato sun, busting their butts, training. Cut to Brent sitting on a beach in a speedo with the hot wife beside him. Cut back to players listening to Chilly delivering a lecture on the new wrinkles to the offense. Then cut to players being introduced at the Metrodome, polite applause following each. Then Favre coming out of the Viking tunnel, and the place explodes.

The voice over: "Don't work hard. Don't work smart. Don't work at all."

[swede]

It would be fun to write a commercial for him. Sears did pretty well with the indecisiveness bit, but maybe a car company could hire him to be a spokesperson for the theme of cutting corners. Y'know, Brent could be shown sitting on his lawn tractor with a beer in hand, then cut to his teammates sweating in the hot Mankato sun, busting their butts, training. Cut to Brent sitting on a beach in a speedo with the hot wife beside him. Cut back to players listening to Chilly delivering a lecture on the new wrinkles to the offense. Then cut to players being introduced at the Metrodome, polite applause following each. Then Favre coming out of the Viking tunnel, and the place explodes.

The voice over: "Don't work hard. Don't work smart. Don't work at all."

And a fan in Viking horns leaning over the railing above the tunnel yelling at Brent as he trots out to huge applause, "Save something for the post-season once, willya?!!""

[pbmax]

If you go to any Packer board, almost all of them are overrun with Packer fans. There aren't very many vocal Thompson haters or Favre lovers left anywhere.
There are a good number of TT doubters (haters might be too strong a term for most) around at some places. You can regularly see them at PFT, GBPG and the JSO article comment boards.

[RashanGary]

If you go to any Packer board, almost all of them are overrun with Packer fans. There aren't very many vocal Thompson haters or Favre lovers left anywhere.
There are a good number of TT doubters (haters might be too strong a term for most) around at some places. You can regularly see them at PFT, GBPG and the JSO article comment boards.

Those are trolls that are banned from every moderated forum. I don't read those comments because they're overrun with spamming trolls.

[retailguy]

If you go to any Packer board, almost all of them are overrun with Packer fans. There aren't very many vocal Thompson haters or Favre lovers left anywhere.
There are a good number of TT doubters (haters might be too strong a term for most) around at some places. You can regularly see them at PFT, GBPG and the JSO article comment boards.

Those are trolls that are banned from every moderated forum. I don't read those comments because they're overrun with spamming trolls.

How do you know this?

[Joemailman]

Favre Update! Nobody knows. :P

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/69047/brett-favre-update-vikings-visanthe-shiancoe-dr-andrews-dont-know

[pbmax]

Dr. James Andrews reports that Brett is recovering fine (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/06/16/favre.ap/index.html?eref=sihp) after the ankle cleanup surgery last month and has a few weeks left of rehabilitation. So 4 more weeks of rehab, 4 more weeks of soul searching. I predict Mort Edwerderson will get a Tweet on the 11th of August and report on the 13th to Mankato. That will be followed by a re-re-re-retirement, then a renegotiation and he will begin to practice on the 20th.

But in even more interesting news, I just learned that Dr. James Andrews operated on Brett in 1990 to fix his elbow while the Gunslinger was still matriculating down the field at Southern Miss. Too many 12 oz. curls, apparently.

But all kidding aside, everyone on this board has been told in no certain terms that two major injuries in college means that anyone with a brain (meaning everyone but Thompson) forgets about drafting such a risk. Unfortunately, for all the people that have followed Brett's remarkable career, that means that Brett should not have been drafted at all, not by Wolf, Herock or Glanville. Everyone should have drafted Browning Nagle, Scott Zolak or Donald Hollis; those were the wise choices.

I urge all good hearted Rat readers to email Roger Goodell, Stephen A. Perry, President/Executive Director of the Hall of Fame and all the HOF voters to have all of Brett's accomplishments stricken from the record since he was so clearly drafted incorrectly. Its only fair to the code of the draft: No one drafts a twice injured player. Everyone knows this.

[Merlin]

Favre seldom has the call go his way and we also learned that they don't throw the flag for Rodgers much either.
Where does his assessment come from? Doesn't get the flag? People have been complaining for years about the stuff he gets away with. For just one example, recall the Viking (while he was still a Packer) game where he removed his helmet, then remembered it was a penalty and slammed it back down on his head, all in front of the Head Ref. No call. No Viking fan who remembers that play will agree that Favre doesn't get calls.

And I think Manning's rep on this is confused with the fact that Polian got a point of emphasis passed by the Competition Committee after their yearly playoff loss to the Patriots, where the Patriots roughed up the Colts receivers multiple times inside (and sometime after) five yards. Mostly Peyton just whines.

As for the non flag vs. New Orleans, I have no idea how it was supposed to be called. Did Perreira do his NFL Network segment on it? At the time, I thought that the fact that the initial hit was just above the knee, and the fact that it came from behind (as opposed to the ligament shredding hit from the side or front) saved the lineman from the flag. The NFL has taking QB roughing and the catch and possession rules and made them impenetrable for me.

Apparently you don't watch too many Colts, Patriots games. If a player gets within 3 feet of either of those QB's you can bet that the official has his hand on his flag and will suffer from "premature flagging". With Rodgers and Favre (and most other QB's), they have to think about it after the fact. So in the case of the "rule" in that split second, do you really think the official is looking to see exactly where the low hit is which is part of the basis of your argument? OR as I contend, do they look at who the player is and determine if it's a flag? Clearly the hit on Favre went against the rule which was intended to protect a QB from that type of hit. If it was Manning or Brady, the flag would have been out of their pocket the second they saw two players in a position to make that kind of hit, which is why the officials need to understand that the rule applies to all, not just one. I mentioned the other flag for unnecessary roughness they called in the NO game because I don't recall if it happened before or after that particular play, I do know that it was the wrong call so the two negated each other IMO.

Mannings "Rep" is based on the fact he is a whiny twerp who doesn't like to take responsibility for his own play and places blame on everyone else. It has nothing to do with a rule change or who brought about that change. He has gotten better at keeping his mouth shut but that doesn't erase the years of him throwing his team under the bus, the temper tantrums he throws when he doesn't get his way, and the way he is constantly whining to the refs. He won the Super Bowl MVP after arguably one of the most mediocre games in Super Bowl history, the Colts won DESPITE Manning, not because of. That just adds more creditability to the fact that Manning gets treated much differently than anyone else. Brady goes about his game and doesn't have that kind of rep He has won a bunch of Super Bowls and that has catapulted him to Super Star status. It isn't his fault the rule was in place but he is in that "super protected" status group with the refs.

Favre and now Rodgers have reputations of being football players, and that plays into how much abuse the officials let them take. I also never said "Favre doesn't get calls" in his favor, nor did I say he doesn't get away with anything. In the case of unnecessary roughness both Favre and Rodgers are highly unlikely to get that flag thrown than are Manning and Brady. If I remember right, someone looked up that type of information awhile back when Kampman got called for a blow to the head in a game where he never even touched the QB.

[mraynrand]

Wow, I can almost hear John Madden; "That Favre, he plays QB like a nose tackle. That's why he doesn't get the absurdly protective late hit penalties."

Horse shit. Favre got all sorts of protection calls. The difference is that Brady and Manning just don't take as many hard hits - either because they get rid of the ball quicker because they are better at it or because they are wusses who hate getting hit - or both). Favre got the stuffing knocked out of him a lot because he was running around like crazy trying to make plays when either the play 'broke down' due to good defense or (more during the early part of his career) he didn't know what the hell he was doing (Tuck and run baby!).

Favre gets plenty of protection. Refs are much more reluctant to throw late hit/personal foul flags in playoff games, just like the don't like to call fouls at the end of playoff basketball games. Most refs don't want to decide games - except maybe Ed Hochuli...

People who think Favre isn't getting the calls are mostly looking through Favre colored glasses. BFFFs are hard to stomach....

[Bossman641]

Wow, I can almost hear John Madden; "That Favre, he plays QB like a nose tackle. That's why he doesn't get the absurdly protective late hit penalties."

Horse shit. Favre got all sorts of protection calls. The difference is that Brady and Manning just don't take as many hard hits - either because they get rid of the ball quicker because they are better at it or because they are wusses who hate getting hit - or both). Favre got the stuffing knocked out of him a lot because he was running around like crazy trying to make plays when either the play 'broke down' due to good defense or (more during the early part of his career) he didn't know what the hell he was doing (Tuck and run baby!).

Favre gets plenty of protection. Refs are much more reluctant to throw late hit/personal foul flags in playoff games, just like the don't like to call fouls at the end of playoff basketball games. Most refs don't want to decide games - except maybe Ed Hochuli...

People who think Favre isn't getting the calls are mostly looking through Favre colored glasses. BFFFs are hard to stomach....

X 1

His last couple of years in GB, Favre got plenty of calls that were questionable at best.

[RashanGary]

I've never seen Brady and Manning lay down to would be tacklers the way Favre does. Shit, might as well just bend over and take it in the ass, Bert.

[Joemailman]

Favre, Manning and Brady get protection others don't get because they're the veteran marquee QB's right now. When Favre was younger, he didn't get the kind of protection that Marino and Montana got. It will be interesting to see if Rodgers starts getting more protection. That shot to the head against Arizona got a lot of publicity.

[Iron Mike]

People who think Favre isn't getting the calls are mostly looking through Favre colored glasses. BFFFs are hard to stomach....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/mike_zankle/notjesus.jpg

[gex]

Favre seldom has the call go his way and we also learned that they don't throw the flag for Rodgers much either.
Where does his assessment come from? Doesn't get the flag? People have been complaining for years about the stuff he gets away with. For just one example, recall the Viking (while he was still a Packer) game where he removed his helmet, then remembered it was a penalty and slammed it back down on his head, all in front of the Head Ref. No call. No Viking fan who remembers that play will agree that Favre doesn't get calls.

And I think Manning's rep on this is confused with the fact that Polian got a point of emphasis passed by the Competition Committee after their yearly playoff loss to the Patriots, where the Patriots roughed up the Colts receivers multiple times inside (and sometime after) five yards. Mostly Peyton just whines.

As for the non flag vs. New Orleans, I have no idea how it was supposed to be called. Did Perreira do his NFL Network segment on it? At the time, I thought that the fact that the initial hit was just above the knee, and the fact that it came from behind (as opposed to the ligament shredding hit from the side or front) saved the lineman from the flag. The NFL has taking QB roughing and the catch and possession rules and made them impenetrable for me.Favre and now Rodgers have reputations of being football players, and that plays into how much abuse the officials let them take

.
QFT... Favre and A-Rod are both rugged football players out on the field, and therefore do not get the protection calls some of the more"finesse" QB's get.

[pbmax]

Clearly the hit on Favre went against the rule which was intended to protect a QB from that type of hit.
My entire point was that I do not think the hit was illegal. But the rule is so convoluted, I could easily be wrong. It has been substantially changed twice. Once once in response to Carson Palmer and again for Brady. If you have an explanation for the hit qualifying as illegal, I am all ears.

And no, I do not think Brady and Manning get the same treatment as an NBA star. Perhaps on pulling off your helmet calls, but not on QB hits. I think the NFL goes overboard protecting all QBs.

[pbmax]

Favre, Manning and Brady get protection others don't get because they're the veteran marquee QB's right now. When Favre was younger, he didn't get the kind of protection that Marino and Montana got. It will be interesting to see if Rodgers starts getting more protection. That shot to the head against Arizona got a lot of publicity.
Maybe, but it didn't even make it to the officials review on NFL Network that week, did it?

[Tarlam!]

I've never seen Brady and Manning lay down to would be tacklers the way Favre does. Shit, might as well just bend over and take it in the ass, Bert.

I can't agree with this assessment. I've seen all 3 take on hits if plays were developing and they needed to throw late. They keep their eyes downfield and not swivelling to pick up pass rushers. I've seen all 3 tuck it in and take the sack. And what is a "would-be" tackler anyways? The only time Bert helped out in that department was to one guy to get the sack record. Bert is widely lauded for his ability to keep plays alive by escaping and flipping a ball in the most unlikely fashion. I have never read that he lays down.

All 3 of these QBs are locks for Canton and IMHO, deservedly so. I really don't get the hate. I feel priviliged to be a fan during a time when the NFL has 3 plus HOF QBs active.

I also think it assinine to on the one hand criticise Bert for taking a sack all the while criticising him for making stupid throws that turn into INTs for not taking a sack. I am no longer a fan of Bert, because IMHO, his conduct is unbefitting a professional/Packer. But I will try and evaluate his on-field activities without a G&G bias.

[RashanGary]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.

Aaron is tough though, I'll agree with that.

[mngolf19]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.

Aaron is tough though, I'll agree with that.

Yeah, 41 year old guys should be taking all the hits they can. :roll: He at least would try to block people. Not many QB's will even try.

[Scott Campbell]

He at least would try to illegally block people.


Fixed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4446703

[sharpe1027]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.


What you call "bravery," I'd call stupidity. The guy is as old as dirt. WTF is he supposed to do?

[Scott Campbell]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.


What you call "bravery," I'd call stupidity. The guy is as old as dirt. WTF is he supposed to do?

Stay down.

http://media.nola.com/saints_impact/photo/brett-favre4jpg-341da68307fd1d8e_medium.jpg

[sharpe1027]

Stay down.


I'd prefer he just stayed home.

[RashanGary]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.

Aaron is tough though, I'll agree with that.

Yeah, 41 year old guys should be taking all the hits they can. :roll: He at least would try to block people. Not many QB's will even try.

I agree it's smart. He made it through the year for a reason, but let's stop this charade about Favre being a warrior out there. The guy is the poster boy for self preservation.

Favre used to be a physical player playing QB but that was 15-20 years ago. Now, he's the wimpiest person on the field 100% of the time he takes the snap and he plays that way, it's not just the position.

[packerbacker1234]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.

Aaron is tough though, I'll agree with that.

Yeah, 41 year old guys should be taking all the hits they can. :roll: He at least would try to block people. Not many QB's will even try.

I agree it's smart. He made it through the year for a reason, but let's stop this charade about Favre being a warrior out there. The guy is the poster boy for self preservation.

Favre used to be a physical player playing QB but that was 15-20 years ago. Now, he's the wimpiest person on the field 100% of the time he takes the snap and he plays that way, it's not just the position.

Try more like "when the Peyton Manning rule" came into affect. Then the carson palmer rule... etc etc. The fact remains, they virtually made the QB be a position of which isn't suppose to be touched.

Last year, Favre took A LOT of punishment and hits that are considered against the rules, and he got back up and kept playing. Sure, he may do a lot in his career to "avoid the big hit" - but we all forget that before these "crappy" QB rules came into play, Favre was getting hit... A LOT. He was always "buying time" and "throwing at the last moment"... and he got hit.

Even last year. There were times when he pulled a Peyton Manning - saw the sack coming and just went down. Then there were times when he moved around, avoided sacks, and made stuff happen. He just does it situationaly now, because doing that sort of stuff all game, at age 40+, just isn't a smart idea to last all season.

He is a warrior. AR took some punishment this year, sure. Favre took a lot too early. Lets see how much punishment AR takes long haul and compare to favre. because right now, Peyton Manning tops my "pussiest players" list. In fact, if he got hit ONCE like favre did in that NFC Championship game, I am not sure Manning would of came back in the game.

[Tarlam!]

I have no problem with JH's position. I don't share it one bit, especially after witnessing the punishment he took against NO last NFCCCG.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[packerbacker1234]

I have no problem with JH's position. I don't share it one bit, especially after witnessing the punishment he took against NO last NFCCCG.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yeah, it's really just a difference in opinion. I don't even know too many YOUNG QB's who would of kept playing with that sort of punishment happening. His ankle was all f'd up, and favre was in there, injured, diving on his teammates fumbles.

Manning, when healthy, walked away from a fumble in the super bowl to "avoid getting hit". Favre also runs out and "tries" to block - note I did say he tries. Obviously, he has no idea what he is doing, but sometimes it works. At least he is going in there for his teammates.

Look, I hate to bring the hate train on Peyton - but I only do it because he is unquestionably considered the best QB in hte league, yet he has just as many super bowl appearances, and rings, as #4, and he is a complete pussy. He refused to take any sort of hit for the benefit of his team, and if he DOES get hit - it's the OL's fault (remember him throwing his OL under the bus, all but blaiming them for the playoff loss?) Favre has thrown a lot of bad passes and done some stupid stuff - but he always comes to play.

I understand the reasons to not like favre - but it's not like Peyton's actual resume is so much better. He throws less ints, more TD's,a nd more yards per season, but he hasn't gotten any better results than Favre in the playoffs.

And for as bad as "#4's pick" was in the NFCCG last year, his TEAM still ha da chance to win.

After Peyton's pick in the SB... that was the DAGGER. It still took OT to take out the vikes - it took a PM pick 6 to end the game for the colts. Just saying, while I understand the intracies of how favre's throw was just "not good" - the results were vastly different. The vikes still had a chance, the colts did not.

[Bretsky]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.

Aaron is tough though, I'll agree with that.

Yeah, 41 year old guys should be taking all the hits they can. :roll: He at least would try to block people. Not many QB's will even try.


Ya, rugged football players would never play hurt, would they ? They are briuttle and clearly could never make it through a season, or two, or three, or four, or five, or six, or seven, or eight, or nine, or ten, or eleven, or twelve, or thirteen, or fourteen, or fifteen, or sixteen, or seventeen seasons in a row. That's weak.

Honestly mn, I'm surprised you don't just kick back and laugh your ass off at some of the crap posted in here. It's rarely worth responding to. They should just renanme the thread a million ways to take potshots at Brett Favre for those who still carry a grudge. Many who are obsessed can't even refer to him by name anymore.

[Scott Campbell]

They should just renanme the thread a million ways to take potshots at Brett Favre for those who still carry a grudge.



I'd support that idea. Think we can get Mobb to go for it?

[Bretsky]

I've never seen Brady and Manning lay down to would be tacklers the way Favre does. Shit, might as well just bend over and take it in the ass, Bert.

I can't agree with this assessment. I've seen all 3 take on hits if plays were developing and they needed to throw late. They keep their eyes downfield and not swivelling to pick up pass rushers. I've seen all 3 tuck it in and take the sack. And what is a "would-be" tackler anyways? The only time Bert helped out in that department was to one guy to get the sack record. Bert is widely lauded for his ability to keep plays alive by escaping and flipping a ball in the most unlikely fashion. I have never read that he lays down.

All 3 of these QBs are locks for Canton and IMHO, deservedly so. I really don't get the hate. I feel priviliged to be a fan during a time when the NFL has 3 plus HOF QBs active.

I also think it assinine to on the one hand criticise Bert for taking a sack all the while criticising him for making stupid throws that turn into INTs for not taking a sack. I am no longer a fan of Bert, because IMHO, his conduct is unbefitting a professional/Packer. But I will try and evaluate his on-field activities without a G&G bias.


Great post Tarlem :bclap:

But if you haven't noticed, I'm not sure logic and good common sense belongs in this thread

[Scott Campbell]

But if you haven't noticed, I'm not sure logic and good common sense belongs in this thread



If Bert used logic and common sense, we wouldn't have seen this:

http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/saints-vikings-nfc-championship-game-tracy-porter-be772fb81dda5f7b_large.jpg

[Bretsky]

But if you haven't noticed, I'm not sure logic and good common sense belongs in this thread



If Bert used logic and common sense, we wouldn't have seen this:

http://media.nj.com/giants_impact/photo/saints-vikings-nfc-championship-game-tracy-porter-be772fb81dda5f7b_large.jpg


he's made plenty of great plays and plenty of terrible ones each year

[Patler]

he's made plenty of great plays and plenty of terrible ones each year

Exactly why many could never cozy up to him as the greatest QB ever in GB. They kept waiting for the playing maturity to kick in and reduce the terrible ones. Over time, the terrible ones take on more significance than the great ones for many fans.

That's OK. It is what being a fan is all about. It would be kind of boring if we all had the same opinions about all of the players.

I have seen two sides to Favre the last 5-6 years. Still plays with lots of injuries, etc. No question about that. Also seems to fear being hit in lots of situations. One of the earliest I recall was when he was running toward the endzone (against the Vikings?) and at about the 5 yard line, a good 3 or 4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, he simply threw the ball toward someone rather than take a hit or drive toward the TD. It looked like a panic move. For me, it signified a new phase in his career.

Since then, I've seen Favre run away from fumbles too. Seems to panic just a little in the face of a hit coming, etc. All QBs do in some situations. Not necessarily anything wrong with that.

But it is clear the years have taken their toll on Favre and his willingness to dive toward the endzone as he did against the Bears in a memorable game early in his career. In your 20's you feel invulnerable. As you age you know it isn't so.

Just remember how the QB sneak completely disappeared from the playbook for both Sherman and MM, reportedly because Favre hated going into a pile. favre ran a lot at one time in his career. As soon as Rodgers took over, it returned for MM. If Rodgers is playing in his late 30's he won't run as much either. Only a few have, to my recollection.

But the comments that NO ONE would play with what Favre did is also baloney, in my opinion. Lots of athletes play with lots of very significant injuries, including Manning who a few years ago played the early season while recovering from two knee surgeries that were performed just before TC. Several players mentioned how much pain he was in, and how he gained a lot of respect from the team for it. Yes, he is a whiner and complainer a bit, but has never missed a game in his career either. That is also significant.

[bobblehead]

I have no problem with JH's position. I don't share it one bit, especially after witnessing the punishment he took against NO last NFCCCG.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I have a problem with it, and I can't stand BF anymore. I also like most things JH posts, but I flat out have a problem with this position. I WANT my QB to be a bit of a pussy if it avoids a turnover or injury. Except in the most key moments I WANT him to throw it away when the hit is coming. (or take the sack). The young BF that refused to give up on a play was cool and all, but this most recent year was the BEST SEASON HE EVER HAD. If he had to realize his mortality to achieve it, then so what.

Bert was battered and bloodied on the field against NO and he kept getting up. He chokes at the worst moments, he has been an asshat off the field and to his GB teammates recently, but his heart on the field will never be a question in my book. I can't recall too many times in 20 years that he got up begging for a flag....can you say the same about Brady or Manning??

[mraynrand]

One of the earliest I recall was when he was running toward the endzone (against the Vikings?) and at about the 5 yard line, a good 3 or 4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, he simply threw the ball toward someone rather than take a hit or drive toward the TD. It looked like a panic move. For me, it signified a new phase in his career.


http://s453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/?action=view&current=favrebailout.flv

[pbmax]

I watched Favre play 5 or 6 games last year. He is not a rugged football player. Outside of a few punters, kickers and backup QB's, Favre is one of the weakest, cowardly players on the field and that's not an exaggeration because I think he's a dill weed. That's jsut how he plays the game.

Aaron is tough though, I'll agree with that.
Would you just stop laying it on so think? We get it. You disapprove of him now.

[mngolf19]

He at least would try to illegally block people.


Fixed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4446703

What's that go to do with it?

[sharpe1027]

He at least would try to illegally block people.


Fixed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4446703

What's that go to do with it?

That depends on what "it" is. If "it" is your original point, then nothing. If "it" is ways to stir the pot by taking shots at Brett Favre...

[Pugger]

If the officials are gonna "protect" QBs like P. Manning and Brady then they should do it for EVERY QB no matter if they are vets or rookies. The Old Man did take a beating in NO and Rodgers got hit late/face masked with nary a flag in AZ and it costs both teams.

[Tarlam!]

If the officials are gonna "protect" QBs like P. Manning and Brady then they should do it for EVERY QB no matter if they are vets or rookies. The Old Man did take a beating in NO and Rodgers got hit late/face masked with nary a flag in AZ and it costs both teams.

Oh for heaven's sake, Pugger. You're being logical in this thread! Have you no shame?? :twisted:

[Pugger]

If the officials are gonna "protect" QBs like P. Manning and Brady then they should do it for EVERY QB no matter if they are vets or rookies. The Old Man did take a beating in NO and Rodgers got hit late/face masked with nary a flag in AZ and it costs both teams.

Oh for heaven's sake, Pugger. You're being logical in this thread! Have you no shame?? :twisted:

:lol: :lol:

[packerbacker1234]

He at least would try to illegally block people.


Fixed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4446703

What's that go to do with it?

That depends on what "it" is. If "it" is your original point, then nothing. If "it" is ways to stir the pot by taking shots at Brett Favre...

No one had any problems when brett was making the same sort of blocks for us on reverses and stuff... but because it's in Purple it's now evil. Guy was never taught how to properly block, and has continued to do it the same way he has for what, 20 seasons now? I don't expect him to stop.

[channtheman]

He at least would try to illegally block people.


Fixed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4446703

What's that go to do with it?

That depends on what "it" is. If "it" is your original point, then nothing. If "it" is ways to stir the pot by taking shots at Brett Favre...

No one had any problems when brett was making the same sort of blocks for us on reverses and stuff... but because it's in Purple it's now evil. Guy was never taught how to properly block, and has continued to do it the same way he has for what, 20 seasons now? I don't expect him to stop.

Pretty much. What I don't get is why you think it is weird that people would now hate Bert because he plays in purple.

[ThunderDan]

He at least would try to illegally block people.


Fixed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4446703

What's that go to do with it?

That depends on what "it" is. If "it" is your original point, then nothing. If "it" is ways to stir the pot by taking shots at Brett Favre...

No one had any problems when brett was making the same sort of blocks for us on reverses and stuff... but because it's in Purple it's now evil. Guy was never taught how to properly block, and has continued to do it the same way he has for what, 20 seasons now? I don't expect him to stop.

I have a problem with any player no matter what team he plays for (GB included) that goes low and illegally blocks another player.

[sharpe1027]

No one had any problems when brett was making the same sort of blocks for us on reverses and stuff... but because it's in Purple it's now evil. Guy was never taught how to properly block, and has continued to do it the same way he has for what, 20 seasons now? I don't expect him to stop.

That's the first time I remember him throwing a blocks both from behind the defender and at the knees. Not to mention that the guy had to leave the game with knee pain.

Then again, he was wearing purple and that DOES make it evil in my book. :wink:

[mraynrand]

No one had any problems when brett was making the same sort of blocks for us on reverses and stuff... but because it's in Purple it's now evil. Guy was never taught how to properly block, and has continued to do it the same way he has for what, 20 seasons now? I don't expect him to stop.

That's the first time I remember him throwing a blocks both from behind the defender and at the knees. Not to mention that the guy had to leave the game with knee pain.

Then again, he was wearing purple and that DOES make it evil in my book. :wink:

If only he had done that to Sapp in 2002. The only Packer who had any balls to get in Sapp's face after Clifton was Shermy. Pathetic.

[Joemailman]

Yep. Mike Sherman's finest moment.

[channtheman]

Yep. Mike Sherman's finest moment.

I think I remember hearing a "Fuck you" from Shermy that the network was unable to bleep. Was really something to see Sherman go after Sapp like that though.

[vince]

That was not one of Favre's stellar performances. He had 4 picks in the loss.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2002/11/24/sherman_sapp_ap/

Green Bay head coach Mike Sherman angrily confronted Tampa Bay's Warren Sapp after the Packers' 21-7 loss to the Buccaneers Sunday, complaining that the All-Pro defensive tackle knocked one of his players out of the game with a cheap shot.

Sapp denied the accusation and said he was stunned Sherman came up to him and initiated an obscenity-laced exchange after the player finished a television interview on the field.

"He cursed at me. He said something to set me off," Sapp said, declining to say what Sherman said.
I still get a kick out of Sapp's disbelief in being confronted by Sugar Bear.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0306/nfl_a_sapp_sherman_600.jpg

[mraynrand]

I have the tape:

Sherman: "What you did was wrong." That pretty much sums it up. To ad insult to injury, the hit came following an INT on a 'crossing route' by Terry Glenn, that he turned upfield at the last second, resulting in a pick. That one wasn't on Favre, it was on Terry "I get injured every time I'm tackled" Glenn.

[Pugger]

Sapp is a sap. I can't stand him on NFLN either. :P

[Fritz]

Shermy stood tall that day.

[swede]

I see your points about Shermy sticking up for his player and all, but he came off as a purse-swinger to me and I felt a little embarrassed for him.

"Chicken shit" was the only profane utterance I remember from him. I thought it was Sapp that dropped the F bomb.

Why Michael Irvin and Warren Sapp have broadcast careers I do not know. Drag a crack rock through any East St. Louis neighborhood and you're sure to find a couple of candidates with similar skills in the areas of elocution and charm.

[mraynrand]

I see your points about Shermy sticking up for his player and all, but he came off as a purse-swinger to me and I felt a little embarrassed for him.

I agree. That's why I called it pathetic. Sherman looked pathetic, and it was pathetic that he was the only one to go after Sapp. Other Packers should have kicked his ass during the game, Favre leading the way. Maybe they were he chicken shits and Shermy was just projecting.

[Bossman641]

I disagree with Sherman looking pathetic. That was my favorite MS moment.

[swede]

I disagree with Sherman looking pathetic. That was my favorite MS moment.

I started a fight like this last time and I regretted it then and I don't want to mess up this celebration of all things Brent with another squabble.

I say he looked like a big, soft sissy saying really bad words to show that bad man that he was really cheesed off, goll stinking dammit!

You say he stood up to a bully and showed some moxie in support of the team and his injured player.

I can dig that.

I looked for the video on You Tube and couldn't find it. I'd be interested in seeing if my opinion would change with another fresh look at the "Mike Sherman yells at Warren Sapp" moment.[/url]

[mraynrand]

I disagree with Sherman looking pathetic. That was my favorite MS moment.

I started a fight like this last time and I regretted it then and I don't want to mess up this celebration of all things Brent with another squabble.

I say he looked like a big, soft sissy saying really bad words to show that bad man that he was really cheesed off, goll stinking dammit!

You say he stood up to a bully and showed some moxie in support of the team and his injured player.

I can dig that.

I looked for the video on You Tube and couldn't find it. I'd be interested in seeing if my opinion would change with another fresh look at the "Mike Sherman yells at Warren Sapp" moment.[/url]

I'll upload it in a little while. What bothered me the most is that Shermy had to do it. Once Packer players figured out what Sapp had done, they should have taken his knees out at the very next play on offense. Favre was a pussy for not going after his 'buddy.' Fuck 'em all.

[hoosier]

I disagree with Sherman looking pathetic. That was my favorite MS moment.

I started a fight like this last time and I regretted it then and I don't want to mess up this celebration of all things Brent with another squabble.

I say he looked like a big, soft sissy saying really bad words to show that bad man that he was really cheesed off, goll stinking dammit!

You say he stood up to a bully and showed some moxie in support of the team and his injured player.

I can dig that.

I looked for the video on You Tube and couldn't find it. I'd be interested in seeing if my opinion would change with another fresh look at the "Mike Sherman yells at Warren Sapp" moment.[/url]

I'll upload it in a little while. What bothered me the most is that Shermy had to do it. Once Packer players figured out what Sapp had done, they should have taken his knees out at the very next play on offense. Favre was a pussy for not going after his 'buddy.' Fuck 'em all.

I remember the Packers OL coach (Lovat?) saying that they were not cut-blocking Sapp before that play because he was having such a great year, but that after the cheap shot they would start cutting. That was the extent of any talk of retaliation. Wahle was asked about it after the game and said he didn't want to retaliate when the outcome of the game was still in doubt.

[Pugger]

I see your points about Shermy sticking up for his player and all, but he came off as a purse-swinger to me and I felt a little embarrassed for him.

"Chicken shit" was the only profane utterance I remember from him. I thought it was Sapp that dropped the F bomb.

Why Michael Irvin and Warren Sapp have broadcast careers I do not know. Drag a crack rock through any East St. Louis neighborhood and you're sure to find a couple of candidates with similar skills in the areas of elocution and charm.

:lol: :lol:

[mraynrand]

I disagree with Sherman looking pathetic. That was my favorite MS moment.

I started a fight like this last time and I regretted it then and I don't want to mess up this celebration of all things Brent with another squabble.

I say he looked like a big, soft sissy saying really bad words to show that bad man that he was really cheesed off, goll stinking dammit!

You say he stood up to a bully and showed some moxie in support of the team and his injured player.

I can dig that.

I looked for the video on You Tube and couldn't find it. I'd be interested in seeing if my opinion would change with another fresh look at the "Mike Sherman yells at Warren Sapp" moment.[/url]

I'll upload it in a little while. What bothered me the most is that Shermy had to do it. Once Packer players figured out what Sapp had done, they should have taken his knees out at the very next play on offense. Favre was a pussy for not going after his 'buddy.' Fuck 'em all.

I remember the Packers OL coach (Lovat?) saying that they were not cut-blocking Sapp before that play because he was having such a great year, but that after the cheap shot they would start cutting. That was the extent of any talk of retaliation. Wahle was asked about it after the game and said he didn't want to retaliate when the outcome of the game was still in doubt.

I have the video of Shermy, but there is no sound. I might make a youtube of that fat-lipped asshat Sapp talking after the game. What a tool.

[packrulz]

Favre Doesn’t Sound Like He’s Retiring
Posted by Mike Vandermause June 24th, 2010, 4:49 pm
I have maintained for some time now that Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre will return to play a 20th NFL season.
It’s not a matter of if the 40-year-old Favre decides to return, but when he makes that decision.
This morning Favre sounded like a man who had no intention of retiring.
During an interview with Mississippi newspaper sports reporter Al Jones, who works for the Sun Herald, Favre said: ‘‘I would love to go beat the Saints. I know I can still play at a high level. Last year was a great year, but it could have been better (winning NFC Championship).’’
The Vikings play the Saints in their regular-season opener in a rematch of last year’s NFC title game. In that contest, with the Vikings in position to kick a last-second, game-winning field goal, Favre threw a fateful interception and the Saints won in overtime.
The Sun Herald also reports Favre is healing on schedule from surgery on his left ankle, and bicycling is part of his rehabilitation regimen.
Favre’s agent, Bus Cook, was asked by The Associated Press if his clilent has made a decision on playing. His reply? “Nope.” The Vikings declined comment.
Favre isn’t ready to say it. His agent isn’t ready to say it. The Vikings aren’t ready to say it. So I’ll say it. Favre will return to play in 2010.
Favre’s former team, the Green Bay Packers, play host to the Vikings on Sunday night, Oct. 24, and face Minnesota again on Nov. 21 at the Metrodome in Minneapolis.

[Fritz]

Is there anyone out there who actually thinks Favre is even contemplating retirement?

[wootah]

Is there anyone out there who actually thinks Favre is even contemplating retirement?

Tarvaris prays every night...

[mraynrand]

Who had the Favre returning 'checklist?' Wasn't talking to Al jones the First step? Then comes ?? followed by throwing to the high school kids, etc. It would be boring and tedious if it weren't so funny.

[Pugger]

Is there anyone out there who actually thinks Favre is even contemplating retirement?

I don't think he ever actually contemplated retirement - he only used the retirement card to get out of Green Bay and NY so he could get to where he wanted to go all along = MN.

[wootah]

I don't think he ever actually contemplated retirement - he only used the retirement card to get out of Green Bay and NY so he could get to where he wanted to go all along = MN.

Once he discovered there was no longer a place for him on the team and ARod became the guy, yes.

Before that, no.

[packers11]

imagine if T.T. let Favre come back in 2008... There is no chance in hell Aaron Rodgers would be waiting another year (past 2010)... The packers would be truley screwed because of the flip flopping he has been doing since 2005/2006... I'm glad my most hated draft pick (at the time) turned out to be one of the best choices a packers G.M. has made in the past decade.

[mngolf19]

Is there anyone out there who actually thinks Favre is even contemplating retirement?

Tarvaris prays every night...

This is true but an interesting thing has been happening in MN that will make this even more true. 6th round pick Joe Webb, drafted as a WR spent 2 days in rookie camp and showed enough as a QB to unseat Rosenfels. Webb is now behind Jackson and if he can improve at all he may unseat Jackson by next year. Jackson's contract is up after this year and will be interesting to see how they deal with him next year.

[mraynrand]

6th round pick Joe Webb, drafted as a WR spent 2 days in rookie camp and showed enough as a QB to unseat Rosenfels.

Wow. I didn't think Rosenfels was quite this bad, even though I've never seen a QB (other than Favre) give away a game quite like he did to Indy a couple of years back...

[Fritz]

A sixth rounder drafted as a receiver unseated Rosenfels as QB?

[packerbacker1234]

A sixth rounder drafted as a receiver unseated Rosenfels as QB?

This is certainly news to me.

As for Favre, there was realistically little doubt he was coming back, especially after the ankle surgery. That ankle would of been the only thing to prevent him from coming back after the season he had.

[mraynrand]

A sixth rounder drafted as a receiver unseated Rosenfels as QB?

This is certainly news to me.

As for Favre, there was realistically little doubt he was coming back, especially after the ankle surgery. That ankle would of been the only thing to prevent him from coming back after the season he had.

When does he start throwing at the high school? That Favre, he's like a kid out there!

[mraynrand]

imagine if T.T. let Favre come back in 2008... There is no chance in hell Aaron Rodgers would be waiting another year (past 2010)... The packers would be truley screwed because of the flip flopping he has been doing since 2005/2006... I'm glad my most hated draft pick (at the time) turned out to be one of the best choices a packers G.M. has made in the past decade.

They would have finished with maybe a 10-6 record and then traded Aaron Rodgers along with their #1 pick to Seattle in the 2008-2009 offseason to move up and draft Aaron Maybin.

[Joemailman]

imagine if T.T. let Favre come back in 2008... There is no chance in hell Aaron Rodgers would be waiting another year (past 2010)... The packers would be truley screwed because of the flip flopping he has been doing since 2005/2006... I'm glad my most hated draft pick (at the time) turned out to be one of the best choices a packers G.M. has made in the past decade.

They would have finished with maybe a 10-6 record and then traded Aaron Rodgers along with their #1 pick to Seattle in the 2008-2009 offseason to move up and draft Aaron Maybin.

TT gets most of the blame, or credit (depending on your view), but I'm inclined to think it was ultimately MM's call. If MM had wanted Favre back, I don't think TT would have overruled him, even though he may have disagreed.

[swede]

A sixth rounder drafted as a receiver unseated Rosenfels as QB?

Maybe Sage Rosenfels was watching the 6th round of the draft mumbling "Not Joe Webb...not Joe Webb... please not Joe Webb...DAMMIT!"

[mraynrand]

A sixth rounder drafted as a receiver unseated Rosenfels as QB?

Maybe Sage Rosenfels was watching the 6th round of the draft mumbling "Not Joe Webb...not Joe Webb... please not Joe Webb...DAMMIT!"

Swede, you are like a kid in here!

[swede]

A sixth rounder drafted as a receiver unseated Rosenfels as QB?

Maybe Sage Rosenfels was watching the 6th round of the draft mumbling "Not Joe Webb...not Joe Webb... please not Joe Webb...DAMMIT!"

Swede, you are like a kid in here!

Where is it in the rules that a 14 year old can't join this forum and pretend to be fifty-year old conservative Scandinavian?

[bobblehead]

I don't think he ever actually contemplated retirement - he only used the retirement card to get out of Green Bay and NY so he could get to where he wanted to go all along = MN.

Once he discovered there was no longer a place for him on the team and ARod became the guy, yes.

Before that, no.

Your timeline is a bit off there chief. Pretty sure BF was slated to be the opening day starter in 2008 when he retired. If you have something to contradict that please speak up and show me I'm wrong.

[mraynrand]

A sixth rounder drafted as a receiver unseated Rosenfels as QB?

Maybe Sage Rosenfels was watching the 6th round of the draft mumbling "Not Joe Webb...not Joe Webb... please not Joe Webb...DAMMIT!"

Swede, you are like a kid in here!

Where is it in the rules that a 14 year old can't join this forum and pretend to be fifty-year old conservative Scandinavian?

Ask Harlan - if he's still respondig to you.

[Joemailman]

Is there anyone out there who actually thinks Favre is even contemplating retirement?

I think it's possible he'll retire. It's also possible I'll decide to never eat pizza again. It's possible Bretsky will lose his interest in girl on girl action...well okay, that's not possible.

[wootah]

I don't think he ever actually contemplated retirement - he only used the retirement card to get out of Green Bay and NY so he could get to where he wanted to go all along = MN.

Once he discovered there was no longer a place for him on the team and ARod became the guy, yes.

Before that, no.

Your timeline is a bit off there chief. Pretty sure BF was slated to be the opening day starter in 2008 when he retired. If you have something to contradict that please speak up and show me I'm wrong.

My remarks were regarding the 'he wanted to go to MN all along' part.

[packrulz]

Childress not happy with Peterson's absence from Vikings minicamp

Associated Press
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Adrian Peterson Day took priority over Minnesota Vikings minicamp.

Peterson was absent from Friday's mandatory practice because of an event in his honor in his hometown, and coach Brad Childress is unhappy about it.

Minnesota minicamp update
NFL.com senior columnist Vic Carucci visted Minnesota's minicamp on Friday and writes that the Vikings are still feeling the sting from the bitter NFC Championship loss last season. More ...

» Harvin hopes to avoid headaches
» Vikes won't change Peterson's style
» Video: Fixing the fumbling
» Shiancoe: Favre has earned exceptions
"I just know that there's a bunch of guys here," Childress said. "This has the term mandatory for a reason. The work's here."

The fourth annual Adrian Peterson Day is scheduled for Saturday in Palestine, Tex., where the All-Pro running back was raised. There will be a parade and a meet-and-greet session for the locals with Peterson, who has been mostly working out on his own in Houston this offseason.

Childress said he "had an inkling" about the conflict but that Peterson didn't tell him until an appearance at the team's facility this week.

"I don't know if it's going to be like every year they're going to have that," Childress said, "but we're going to have this too."

Asked whether he would consider this absence excused, Childress demurred.

"That's something that we'll talk about upstairs," he said.

Peterson, like several Vikings veterans, has chosen not to attend the voluntary practices and workouts in Minnesota this spring. The organized team activities (OTAs), as they're called by the NFL, are important to the coaches and have become a part of the offseason routine around the league even if they're not contractually required for the players.


Wide receivers Percy Harvin and Sidney Rice and cornerback Antoine Winfield have all been working out on their own in warmer places, and Brett Favre is still in Mississippi without a confirmation if he's coming back for a 20th NFL season.

Asked whether he's worried that Favre's refusal to commit can give other players an excuse to skip town until training camp, Childress called the 40-year-old quarterback's situation a "special circumstance."

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."

Favre's decision to have ankle surgery and a court ruling that kept a hold on pending four-game suspensions for defensive tackles Kevin Williams and Pat Williams set the Vikings up to return their entire starting lineup from last season's NFC runner-up team. That's assuming linebacker E.J. Henderson and cornerback Cedric Griffin are able to eventually recover from their injuries, which might not happen in time for the season opener.

For this weekend at least, this model of stability was missing a few important pieces -- though these are non-contact workouts for a team that has had the same offensive and defensive systems in place for four years.

Childress said his understanding was that Peterson would miss the entire weekend minicamp, which includes two practices on Saturday and one more on Sunday.

Favre and defensive end Ray Edwards were missing too, but Childress didn't express concern about Edwards, who has yet to sign his contract tender and is expected to do so by Tuesday's deadline.

"I think he'd probably want to do that, wouldn't you?" Childress said.

Edwards was upset that because of the upcoming expiration of the collective bargaining agreement he was ineligible for unrestricted free agency. He had restricted status and signed a one-year tender.

"I know he understands that this is business," Childress said. "We've communicated back and forth, because nobody likes to practice more and play more than Ray Edwards."

The Vikings have been working on Peterson's fumbling problem, and on the field earlier this week Peterson and the other running backs carried a 14-pound, sand-filled ball that is supposed to help players develop a stronger feel for the ol' pigskin.

"It's akin to putting a weight on a bat and swinging it before you go to the plate," Childress said.

Asked whether the Vikings want to change the way Peterson carries the ball, the coach said: "When he's here."

The players, at least publicly, weren't worried about their missing-in-action teammates.

"I cry myself to sleep every night," defensive end Jared Allen said, with heavy sarcasm. He added: "Those guys are their own people. They're going to do what they do."

Allen was then asked what he would do if there were a Jared Allen Day planned in his hometown. "I'd be doing jumping jacks ... right now. I wouldn't even be here."

Winfield gave Peterson a pass, too.

"We know what he brings to the table. We know he's a hard worker. We're not worried about that," Winfield said.

Notes: Winfield said his broken right foot, which kept him out of six games last season, finally felt better two months ago. "I went and had an injection that stopped the inflammation and knocked everything out," he said. "I've been running without any pain. I can't wait" for the season to start. ... Winfield said he has been focusing on footwork drills and workouts he used to do at Ohio State "that kept me healthy." ... Griffin only took part in stretching, but Henderson participated in footwork drills and is ahead of schedule following surgery on his broken left leg. "Nobody's told me to be pessimistic about it," Childress said, asked about Henderson's chance of playing in the opener.

[Iron Mike]

How about another helping of schadenfreude, Packer Rats???

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/mike_zankle/dumber.jpg

Redeem himself???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/mike_zankle/favrehands1.jpg

Like, screwing the pooch so hard, even Mike Vick thought it was overkill???
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/mike_zankle/favre-vikings.jpg

[Iron Mike]

Check out our #4 on draft day, boys:

http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2008/03/favreretirebig.jpg

[Fritz]

Everybody knows there are different rules for different players. I have no problem with that. But how your superstar running back gets a public dressing down for skipping a couple days while another is given a pass is a mystery to me.

I'm not sure if I was a Vikes fan that I'd like a second year guy (Harvin) skipping the voluntary stuff, either.

[Joemailman]

Harvin can just say, "Not now, I have a headache." I've heard that works for some people in other situations.

[bobblehead]

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."


See, this is where Brad is an idiot. Not everyone understands that. Explain again to a 22 year old millionaire why the QB he admires gets a pass, but he doesn't. But hey, thats just the way it is....nothing to see here.

[Scott Campbell]

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."


See, this is where Brad is an idiot. Not everyone understands that. Explain again to a 22 year old millionaire why the QB he admires gets a pass, but he doesn't. But hey, thats just the way it is....nothing to see here.


Bert's back to throwing at the high school. That'll have to be good enough for the Vikings until he's good and ready to head north.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/97612834.html

[packerbacker1234]

Different players do have different rules - this isn't knew. the team itself all knew brett was going to get special treatment this off season. It's really no big secret.

If Peyton manning wanted to miss time right now for really "no other reason then not wanting to practice" - you think the colts would punish him? I am not saying AP isn't "special" enough to warrant SOME missed time, but skipping mandatory camps when you have a MAJOR problem that is holding you back from being one of the best ever, and is costing your team games, is just not acceptable.

Brett Favre is who he is. Him being at camp is not really going to make him any better of a player than he already is. He proved that last season.

Adrian is different, They want to change the way he holds the ball, and thats hard to do if your not there. I am sure Jared Allen could miss time too if he wanted.

It's the NFL - everyone has different rules. It doesn't give anyone a true excuse. Favre was already excused from missing the practices before they ever came about - AP was not. favre also, in general, has given fair warning he wouldn't be there (simply by not stating if he is coming back or not) AP gave what, 2 days? Something like that.

[packrulz]

Don't you think Brett is manipulating the team though, and some of the other players like AP might resent it? He can still play, and I understand he's getting older and needs to save himself for the regular season, but why can't he give a straight answer and just say "I'm going to play", and come to camp to throw a few passes around? He's throwing them to the high schoolers: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d818ee82a/article/coach-says-favre-back-throwing-to-high-schoolers-in-mississippi
Think of the other players who have to come in and bust their asses and he can waltz in at the last minute and be a starter, year after year. I think it's selfish of him. I'm just glad the Packers don't have to deal with that, ARod will be here working like the rest of the guys.

[Scott Campbell]

Hey, it's Bert frigg'n Favre. He'll be there when he's good and ready. And Chilly better damn well be waiting for him at the airport.

[Bretsky]

Bring Back Mobb

[Pugger]

I don't think he ever actually contemplated retirement - he only used the retirement card to get out of Green Bay and NY so he could get to where he wanted to go all along = MN.

Once he discovered there was no longer a place for him on the team and ARod became the guy, yes.

Before that, no.

Your timeline is a bit off there chief. Pretty sure BF was slated to be the opening day starter in 2008 when he retired. If you have something to contradict that please speak up and show me I'm wrong.

My remarks were regarding the 'he wanted to go to MN all along' part.

Then why would a guy who was slated to be our starter in 2008 and had just weeks before his teary "retirement" PC quarterbacked the Packers to OT in the conference championship game decide to 'retire' unless he wanted OUT of Green Bay?

[Freak Out]

Lord Favre! DAYUM!

[Bossman641]

Different players do have different rules - this isn't knew. the team itself all knew brett was going to get special treatment this off season. It's really no big secret.

If Peyton manning wanted to miss time right now for really "no other reason then not wanting to practice" - you think the colts would punish him? I am not saying AP isn't "special" enough to warrant SOME missed time, but skipping mandatory camps when you have a MAJOR problem that is holding you back from being one of the best ever, and is costing your team games, is just not acceptable.

Brett Favre is who he is. Him being at camp is not really going to make him any better of a player than he already is. He proved that last season.

Adrian is different, They want to change the way he holds the ball, and thats hard to do if your not there. I am sure Jared Allen could miss time too if he wanted.

It's the NFL - everyone has different rules. It doesn't give anyone a true excuse. Favre was already excused from missing the practices before they ever came about - AP was not. favre also, in general, has given fair warning he wouldn't be there (simply by not stating if he is coming back or not) AP gave what, 2 days? Something like that.

The bolded part reminds me of a certain quarterback

[mngolf19]

6th round pick Joe Webb, drafted as a WR spent 2 days in rookie camp and showed enough as a QB to unseat Rosenfels.

Wow. I didn't think Rosenfels was quite this bad, even though I've never seen a QB (other than Favre) give away a game quite like he did to Indy a couple of years back...

Well WR wasn't his true position in college. He was Conf USA Offensive POY as QB at UAB last year. He was just looked at by the NFL as a great "athlete" so at the combine he came in as a WR and a couple other teams were ready to draft him as one as well. He just got a chance to throw a few in rookie camp and......

In the recent mini camp he took all of Rosenfels snaps as #2 which because of Favre coming back are vital to a #2 now. By middle of training camp if Favre back and no injuries, Rosenfels will be traded or released.

[packerbacker1234]

Don't you think Brett is manipulating the team though, and some of the other players like AP might resent it? He can still play, and I understand he's getting older and needs to save himself for the regular season, but why can't he give a straight answer and just say "I'm going to play", and come to camp to throw a few passes around? He's throwing them to the high schoolers: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d818ee82a/article/coach-says-favre-back-throwing-to-high-schoolers-in-mississippi
Think of the other players who have to come in and bust their asses and he can waltz in at the last minute and be a starter, year after year. I think it's selfish of him. I'm just glad the Packers don't have to deal with that, ARod will be here working like the rest of the guys.

yes and no. There are some camps that believe favre has already privately committed to the vikings in coming back, and they are just withholding it publicly because they feel it may be harder to excuse him missing time if he was back for certain. Or something like that.

Favre had the ankle surgery required to play, not required to sit on a tractor back home. He has been rehabbing and reportedly staying in "football" shape, and is now working out his arm throwing to HS wr's, something he has done MANY times before.

All in all, everything points to him coming back. He said he wants to beat the saints bad week one. He said if he physically was too hurt to play he would of already retired.

Fact remains, he knows he is coming back, and something tells me the vikings front office knew it too. I think they knew it as far back as the draft, which explains why they didn't grab a QB at all.

So is he minpulating the team, or is the front office? Naturally, they don't want the players to know because, well, the more people that know... the better chance of it getting leaked and all this media attention blah blah, constant questions on why #4 is excused when he IS going to play etc.

I mean, it's obvious why he is excused even if he is coming back - He is still rehabbing the ankle needs to rest his body for the regular season. Last year was a big indicator that in his old age, it truly is best if he saves himself for the season because there was very minimal decline in his play down the stretch, unlike prior years, and he had the most time off in the offseason he has ever had.

I think this is just a case of we, as fans, not knowing the full situation.

Anywyas, would I be okay if this was happening in GB? I think I would. This is a vastly better situation then we had in 2007.

[esoxx]

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."


See, this is where Brad is an idiot. Not everyone understands that. Explain again to a 22 year old millionaire why the QB he admires gets a pass, but he doesn't. But hey, thats just the way it is....nothing to see here.


Bert's back to throwing at the high school. That'll have to be good enough for the Vikings until he's good and ready to head north.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/97612834.html

Anyone else hear he's also running for class president?

Yes, you can have it all.

[Gunakor]

So is he minpulating the team, or is the front office?

Yes.

[woodbuck27]

imagine if T.T. let Favre come back in 2008... There is no chance in hell Aaron Rodgers would be waiting another year (past 2010)... The packers would be truley screwed because of the flip flopping he has been doing since 2005/2006... I'm glad my most hated draft pick (at the time) turned out to be one of the best choices a packers G.M. has made in the past decade.

Yup! Its worked out very well for Aaron Rodgers and Farve and their teams.

Favre will be back this season after such a fine season last. The drama will build.

Its very 8-)

[woodbuck27]

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."


See, this is where Brad is an idiot. Not everyone understands that. Explain again to a 22 year old millionaire why the QB he admires gets a pass, but he doesn't. But hey, thats just the way it is....nothing to see here.


Bert's back to throwing at the high school. That'll have to be good enough for the Vikings until he's good and ready to head north.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/97612834.html

" His (Brett Favre) arm is great like always," Barr told the Star Tribune.

Imagine that now! :D

[retailguy]

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."


See, this is where Brad is an idiot. Not everyone understands that. Explain again to a 22 year old millionaire why the QB he admires gets a pass, but he doesn't. But hey, thats just the way it is....nothing to see here.


Bert's back to throwing at the high school. That'll have to be good enough for the Vikings until he's good and ready to head north.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/97612834.html

" His (Brett Favre) arm is great like always," Barr told the Star Tribune.

Imagine that now! :D

Welcome back Woodbuck! :P

[woodbuck27]

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."


See, this is where Brad is an idiot. Not everyone understands that. Explain again to a 22 year old millionaire why the QB he admires gets a pass, but he doesn't. But hey, thats just the way it is....nothing to see here.


Bert's back to throwing at the high school. That'll have to be good enough for the Vikings until he's good and ready to head north.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/97612834.html

" His (Brett Favre) arm is great like always," Barr told the Star Tribune.

Imagine that now! :D

Welcome back Woodbuck! :P

Thanks man I just droped in for a cool drink of spring water. :D

This is ... the place... for Packer related and NFL news overall retailguy.

retailguy. I purchased a wonderful puter with all the bells and whistles last May after an extended trip - vacation to the Maritime Provinces (Home)... and for some reason still havn't taken it on-line. It just looks nice at my place.

I'm at a Buds in Saint John retailguy, New Brunswick... and I introduced him to the Packers. Shoot ! The first time he saw me this trip I'm wearing my summer Packer hat. The TC's are close at hand so I'm doing a little catching up and... if I'm going to knock you retailguy off that top rung in Pro Pickem.... I need to seee whats going on around the league. Just joking of course. I had the pleasure of . . .MY YEAR. It's pretty cool ehh............. lots goes into a win in Pro Pickem and its a testimony to 'the cream always rises to the top'... theory.

There is a certain female member here I expect to win this season....Ehh... :D hint: like me and some others who will admit it. She continues to admire Brett Favre and his exploits. He is just....remarkable.

After I won the Championship the first year I changed my name to Hank and then Bert Bosch for reasons that may be obvious to people here like you retailguy .... or that know ... all the history of PackerRats. Some things unfortunately will never change in this small society. I am Canadian and that will always be made fun of. SCREW em.

The main thing ... PackerRats still exists ... for the better of the whole.
The Rednecks can go screw themselves. It*s taken me three years to come right out and say that retailguy. It feels OK.

[retailguy]

I'm going to "repeat" Woody. Patriot style domination is just beginning... :P After winning both the Packers Fantasy league and the Pro-Pickum, I'd say I had a pretty good year.

But, if it weren't for the final week stumble of our favorite female pro picker, I might not have caught her, but I'd have still beaten you.... :twisted:

[retailguy]

I'm going to "repeat" Woody. Patriot style domination is just beginning... :P After winning both the Packers Fantasy league and the Pro-Pickum, I'd say I had a pretty good year.

But, if it weren't for the final week stumble of our favorite female pro picker, I might not have caught her, but I'd have still beaten you.... :twisted:

[Bossman641]

"I don't think Adrian's batting around retirement in his mind, I don't believe," Childress said, adding: "Is everything equal? Obviously it's not. That's just the way it is. That's matter of fact. I think everybody understands that part of the equation."


See, this is where Brad is an idiot. Not everyone understands that. Explain again to a 22 year old millionaire why the QB he admires gets a pass, but he doesn't. But hey, thats just the way it is....nothing to see here.


Bert's back to throwing at the high school. That'll have to be good enough for the Vikings until he's good and ready to head north.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/97612834.html

" His (Brett Favre) arm is great like always," Barr told the Star Tribune.

Imagine that now! :D

Welcome back Woodbuck! :P

Thanks man I just droped in for a cool drink of spring water. :D

This is ... the place... for Packer related and NFL news overall retailguy.

retailguy. I purchased a wonderful puter with all the bells and whistles last May after an extended trip - vacation to the Maritime Provinces (Home)... and for some reason still havn*t taken it on-line. It just looks nice at my place.

I*m at a Buds in Saint John retailguy, New Brunswick and I introduced him to the Packers. Shhot ! The first time he saw me this trip I*m wearing my summer packer hat. The TC*s are close at hand so I*m doing a little catching up and... if I*m going to knock you retailguy off that top rung in Pro Pickem.... I need to seee whats going on around the league. Just joking of course. I had the pleasure of . . .MY YEAR. It*s pretty cool ehh............. lots goes into a win in Pro pickem and its a testimony to *the cream always rises to the top* theory.

There is a certain female member here I expect to win this season....Ehh... :D hint: like me and some others who will admit it. She continues to admire Brett Favre and his exploits. He is just....remarkable.

After I won the Championship the first year I changed my name to Hank and then Bert Bosch for reasons that may be obvious to people here like you retailguy .... or that know * all the history of PackerRats *. Some things unfortunately will never change in this small society. I am Canadian and that will always be made fun of. SCREW em.

The main thing ... PackerRats still exists ... for the better of the whole.
The Rednecks can go screw themselves. It*s taken me three years to come right out and say that retailguy. It feels OK.

It*s too hiliarious really. They rub. You pick up whats on the ground and rub it back or toss it in the closest garbage can. It*s the sickness that amazes me...... the arrogance..... coupled with they can give it but No... Noo ... Noooo they won*t take it. Then the most amazing thing is they have *absolutely no shame*.



* = french language keyboard retailguy. It jiggers with my punctuation.

Translation anyone?

Welcome back WB!

[swede]

Welcome back, eh?

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[cheesner]

ahhhh, never mind.

[Freak Out]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Awesome.

[falco]

favre is at home watching the lebron show, taking notes...

[retailguy]

favre is at home watching the lebron show, taking notes...

Bus Cook is in Connecticut negotiating a contract for a 90 minute show

[packers11]

That was the dumbest press conference ever... I hate ESPN and I hate the NBA for allowing it...

[Tony Oday]

That was the dumbest press conference ever... I hate ESPN and I hate the NBA for allowing it...

I hope he blows out his knee, loses all his cash and has to pull tricks in South Beach.

[retailguy]

That was the dumbest press conference ever... I hate ESPN and I hate the NBA for allowing it...

I hope he blows out his knee, loses all his cash and has to pull tricks in South Beach.

I just don't understand hoping that anyone gets injured. :?: :roll:

[packers11]

imagine if T.T. had such harsh words for Brett when he left :lol:


Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his "decision" unlike anything ever "witnessed" in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

You have given so much and deserve so much more.

In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER 'KING' WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

Sorry, but that's simply not how it works.

This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become.

But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio.

The self-declared former "King" will be taking the "curse" with him down south. And until he does "right" by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

Just watch.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day....

I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:

DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue....

Dan Gilbert

Majority Owner

Cleveland Cavaliers

[packerbacker1234]

Honestly, all the cavs are doing is making themselves look like crap.

I get the attention and all that crap Lebron got was unheard of, but lets face facts with facts - the cavs were NOTHING until Lebron showed up, and in seven, could it, SEVEN seasons you couldn't put enough around him to get a ring. A bunch of role players is what you put around him, instead of getting him one or two other "stars" to compliment him. This is why he went to miami - the cavs didn't add anyone, while miami showed a direct commitment to winning multiple rings.

Cavs, you need to take note - to keep a superstar, you have to go out and get other stars. You didn't do it, so he bounced.

[vince]

http://olbagofdonuts.com/index.php/2010/07/08/a-message-to-cavs-fans-from-a-guy-whos-been-here-before/#more-2427

A message to Cavs fans from a guy who's been here before

Cleveland Cavaliers fans, I feel your pain.

No matter the color of the jersey or the sport, it always really hurts to find out someone doesn’t care about you as much as you thought they did.

You guys learned that lesson the hard way tonight. For that, I am sorry.

Outsiders will tell you that you shouldn’t be so upset. “It’s a business” will be the line of crap that they feed you. They’ll tell you LeBron James has to do what’s best for him. Miami gives him a better shot to win, the Cavs couldn’t surround him with a similar set of talent and, in the end, LeBron had to take that opportunity.

Is that true? Yeah, maybe.

Doesn’t matter – that’s not the point.

The point is that you loved him through it all. Success or not, he was your guy. He made you proud. You supported him. You treated him like he was one of your own – which, well, he was. Or, at least, was supposed to be.

You felt like you had a special relationship, one that fans everywhere admired. He had to feel that way too, didn’t he? I mean, he said he did, so you took him at his word.

In the end, though, he didn’t really feel anything at all. The giant middle finger he showed you guys on ESPN proved that. It was a nasty sight to see, even for a guy who admittedly cares very little about the NBA.

I know that middle finger - I’ve seen it before.

I had to endure my own “Summer of Torture” around this same time two years ago (and again last summer). You can’t believe your guy is doing this to you. Has he lost his mind? What is he thinking?

You calm yourself by thinking he’ll come to his senses and remember how special the relationship is, especially with the way sports are nowadays. He wouldn’t just throw that all away, would he? Even if he goes somewhere else, they’ll never love him like you did. He knows that, right?

And surely he knows that, once that bridge is torched, it can never be rebuilt, right?

It’s at that exact moment that he drops the match on the gasoline that he himself has spent weeks pouring.

Gone baby, gone.

You’re angry. Scratch that – you’re furious.

You’re going to yell and curse. You’re going to hate yourself for getting suckered in by such an utterly despicable person. You’re going to have too much to drink and, maybe, you’ll get sad enough to cry. You’re going to want to throw away the posters, bury the ticket stubs and, perhaps, break out that jersey and do a little torching of your own.

If you think I’m going to tell you any of these actions are “wrong” or “classless,” you are incorrect. You’re talking to a guy who kept his autographed Brett Favre photo on the wall of his apartment for the sole purpose of drawing a vulgar thought bubble out of his mouth (think of the movie “Clerks” and you’ll know what I wrote). I am not above such actions.

Do it. Do all of it. You’ll be amazed how much better it makes you feel.

So far, I’ve tried to steer clear of giving you any advice. After all, everyone hates the guy who tries to throw those tired, pathetic cliches at you after you’ve just had your heart ripped out.

That said, I want to end this thing on a positive and, hopefully, this makes you feel just a bit better.

You’re down on your team now. I get that. But don’t be down forever.

In fact, when the season rolls around, go to Quicken Loans Arena as soon as you can. Sell the place out. Be louder than you’ve ever been before, even if your team stinks (and by all accounts, it’s going to). Let LeDouche know it was never about him – it was about the team. That is what really matters. It’s their building, their town, your town - he was just renting some space.

And when the traitor returns home, do NOT listen to those who tell you it’s wrong to boo him. Don’t be above that. Boo the living daylights out of him. Let him know how disgusting he really is.

His new team might beat yours – and that’ll stink if it happens – but he will get the message. Even moronic, self-obsessed professional athletes know what 20,000 boos means.

It means that the oldest cliche of them all really is true: You can never go home again.

-Chris Lempesis

[Fritz]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

[Joemailman]

Sort of makes we wonder if the rift between Favre and Packer Nation can ever be fixed. It's one thing for fans to get tired of a player they think has stayed too long. It's another thing for the player to be regarded by a large portion of the fans as Benedict Arnold.

In Chicago, Dick Butkus has a long rift with Bear management. It took more than 20 years for them to retire his number. However, Butkus' rift was with management. It was never with the fans, who remained loyal to Butkus.

This is different. Can't really think of another situation quite like it.

[retailguy]

Sort of makes we wonder if the rift between Favre and Packer Nation can ever be fixed. It's one thing for fans to get tired of a player they think has stayed too long. It's another thing for the player to be regarded by a large portion of the fans as Benedict Arnold.

In Chicago, Dick Butkus has a long rift with Bear management. It took more than 20 years for them to retire his number. However, Butkus' rift was with management. It was never with the fans, who remained loyal to Butkus.

This is different. Can't really think of another situation quite like it.

I don't really think it will ever be "fixed". His number will get retired, he'll go into the hall of fame (both NFL and GB), and that'll be it. The endorsement deals, speaking opportunities, and other things that would've been there won't return. I'm not so sure that's a bad thing either.

If Rodgers wins a Super Bowl, and gets enshrined himself, he'll "Majikowski" Favre. A fitting irony, dontchathink?

[Joemailman]

Usually when you retire a player's number, there's a ceremony that goes with it. Will they have a ceremony with a possibility that half the crowd will boo? Will they just issue a press release saying Favre's number has been retired? Will Favre even want his number retired, especially if he finishes out his career with a Super Bowl win in Minnesota?

[mraynrand]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

That was a great post. But it still illustrates the undeniable: Danny Ferry and Chris Grant didn't surround LeBron with the talent he needed to win. Just like Ted Thompson.

THANKS DANNY

[packerbacker1234]

Look we can all say or do whatever, what favre did, lebron, it's just an example of something we all know but wish to dream it's not the case: Everyone is selfish, both in life and in their jobs.

One thing I think as fans we tend to forget about sports is that while we are doing our 40 hour a week jobs (usually more these days) and all that, kicking back on sunday watching football - these athletes are at work. They put in almost as much time into their job as we do every year, and there jobs, like ours, are kept based on performance, among several other factors.

Point is, was my heart torn from my chest in 2007? Sure, for a moment. That's before realization set in that hey, this is just a sport, and hey, this is what he does for a living. This is his job. If he wants to work elsewhere, who are we to stop him?

Point is that we let athletes, somehow, transend what normal human behavior is. You hear it all the time tehse days with people who meet favre, go out to his house - he's a great guy, fun to be around, and all that jazz, yet we sit back and blast him because hey, turns out he is human like everyone else and wants what is best for him.

Hey, aren't we the same way? Lets say I worked for oh, Walmart for 20 years. I was a store manager, heck, maybe even a supervisor of the entire walmart chain in a state. Best Buy comes along and offerse me a position of equal stature with more pay, and a better opportunity for advancement. Does Walmart think I betrayed them by quitting after 20 years and joining up at Best Buy? Not really. If I was "that valuable" - they would of bent over backwards to convince me not to leave. Instead, in general, they just let you go, realizing you made a personal decision for yourself alone. Life moves on, and people forget about it.

In sports, it's not easy to forget about anything - fans wont let that happen- but this is their job. This is what Favre, Lebron, and everyone else does for a living. I refuse to remain pissed off at a player for choosing (especially for lebron who wasn't even under contract and was a FA) to play elsewhere. They are human too, and as such, selfish.

We as fans need to stop putting players on a pedestal. All of us that are so heartbroken and pissed off are really our own issues, not #4's, and not Lebron. Say what you want, and abotu tbe "business" aspect - but this shit is their job. We get entertained by what they do.

They are people, no different then your neighbor, your kids, your spouse, your friends at work. Their job just happens to be sports.

[Bossman641]

Look we can all say or do whatever, what favre did, lebron, it's just an example of something we all know but wish to dream it's not the case: Everyone is selfish, both in life and in their jobs.

One thing I think as fans we tend to forget about sports is that while we are doing our 40 hour a week jobs (usually more these days) and all that, kicking back on sunday watching football - these athletes are at work. They put in almost as much time into their job as we do every year, and there jobs, like ours, are kept based on performance, among several other factors.

Point is, was my heart torn from my chest in 2007? Sure, for a moment. That's before realization set in that hey, this is just a sport, and hey, this is what he does for a living. This is his job. If he wants to work elsewhere, who are we to stop him?

Point is that we let athletes, somehow, transend what normal human behavior is. You hear it all the time tehse days with people who meet favre, go out to his house - he's a great guy, fun to be around, and all that jazz, yet we sit back and blast him because hey, turns out he is human like everyone else and wants what is best for him.

Hey, aren't we the same way? Lets say I worked for oh, Walmart for 20 years. I was a store manager, heck, maybe even a supervisor of the entire walmart chain in a state. Best Buy comes along and offerse me a position of equal stature with more pay, and a better opportunity for advancement. Does Walmart think I betrayed them by quitting after 20 years and joining up at Best Buy? Not really. If I was "that valuable" - they would of bent over backwards to convince me not to leave. Instead, in general, they just let you go, realizing you made a personal decision for yourself alone. Life moves on, and people forget about it.

In sports, it's not easy to forget about anything - fans wont let that happen- but this is their job. This is what Favre, Lebron, and everyone else does for a living. I refuse to remain pissed off at a player for choosing (especially for lebron who wasn't even under contract and was a FA) to play elsewhere. They are human too, and as such, selfish.

We as fans need to stop putting players on a pedestal. All of us that are so heartbroken and pissed off are really our own issues, not #4's, and not Lebron. Say what you want, and abotu tbe "business" aspect - but this shit is their job. We get entertained by what they do.

They are people, no different then your neighbor, your kids, your spouse, your friends at work. Their job just happens to be sports.

If only it were that simple. A lot of the hate for Favre and Lebron is not based on the decisions they made, but moreso how they went about them. From Favre's media games and manipulating his way to Minnesota to Lebron scheduling an hour TV special in order to take a dump on Cleveland, they both acted like complete assholes.

[RashanGary]

If Rodgers wins a Super Bowl, and gets enshrined himself, he'll "Majikowski" Favre. A fitting irony, dontchathink?

That would be the fairytale ending!

[mraynrand]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

[woodbuck27]

I'm going to "repeat" Woody. Patriot style domination is just beginning... :P After winning both the Packers Fantasy league and the Pro-Pickum, I'd say I had a pretty good year.

But, if it weren't for the final week stumble of our favorite female pro picker, I might not have caught her, but I'd have still beaten you.... :twisted:

YES and ....watch out for 'the Lady'...She's due retailguy. :D

GO PACKERS!!

[woodbuck27]

Welcome back, eh?

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Hi Swede:

The HABS gave goalie Jaroslav Halak away for almost nothing. He was the heart and soul of that team. Most nights e carried the HABS.Alot of us Montreal Canadian fans really had a tough time with this trade to the St Louis Blues.

GO PACK GO!!

[packerbacker1234]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

obviously no analogy is perfect, but it is a job.

If the vikings are willing to, well, give special treatment for him, then that is their business decision.

We were never willing to really do that, and if the jets had him earlier they most likely wouldn't of either.

Point is, he made a selfish decision and proved he is human like everyone else. Why should I fault any person for making such a decision? We make those same decisions all the time.

They are both great players, and I enjoyed watching them. I loved watching favre play for the pack, even through his mistakes because every time he was on the field he appeared to have fun, which made me have fun. You may see some sort of crazy play you may never see again. With Lebron it's the same thing in my mind. He is a great player, and did a lot of great things for the cavs - but let me ask you - what do they owe anyone?

They are great at what they do, and I appreciate what they did for their teams. If they want to move on, why should I get all pissed about it? It's a sport, and players are always moving around. Just because he moved so late in his career thats suppose to be a surprise? I mean, even some of the other all time greats (Joe Montana) had to move on from "his team" when he could still play because they already replaced him. Sure, favre retired and unretired (not unlike several other nfl players), but he was already replaced. Life moves on.

For lebron, I think is case is even MORE forgiving, for the simple fact that hey, he was a FA. What reason did he have to go back to the cavs who in 7 seasons never had enough to win the finals? Point is, people are selfish and I wont magically hate a guy because I was fooled into thinking x player was different. When you break it down, they are human. I appreciate what they do on the court/field and I will still enjoy some of what they do on the field/court, just maybe not as much. Like favre, I never want the vikings to really go anywhere, even if I still enjoy watching favre play. Things like that throw and amazing catch with Greg Lewis - stuff like that just seems to happen when favre is on your team. In the same breath, the int at the saints happens as well. Good and the bad. He is a fun player to watch, so is AP, but I still don't want their team to do well.

For lebron, I was never a big cavs fan, but I did enjoy watching him play, and I think I will still enjoy watching him play in Miami. I mean, if he was on the bucks and left, would I be more upset? Sure, but I wouldn't blame him. If we never gave him enough to win it all, why should he want to stick around. Guy wants multiple rings, and that is understandable.

I mean, look at MLB and Prince Fielder. We are either trading him this year, trading him next year, or letting him go after next season. Guy is considered one of the faces of the brewers, but because he and his agent selfishly want insane amounts of money, we can't keep him around.

Are we really all that upset at Fielder? The general consensus seems to be no. It really the same scenario. I think it was just upsetting to the us as pack fans because no one saw it coming, and to the cav fans because "he is home grown, so he must stay".

The fact he ever landed with the cavs via the draft was pure luck to begin with.

[swede]

My take on the LeBron/Favre nexus:

There is a finite amount of emotional energy in the world nearly in balance between joy and anguish. What sucks for Cleveland rocks for Miami. Embrace the anger, effuse the joy, or cling resolutely to the balanced center.

[cheesner]

Continuing the Walmart analogy . . . The employee would have to join Best Buy and in the mean time, call Target and give them tips on what where the 'price rollbacks' were going to be and how to undercut them. He would have to contact news reporters and bad-mouth Walmart. Complain about his working conditions and that they never surrounded him with the right cashiers. And when you requested a specific stock boy to be hired, management didn't act on it.

I believe the thing that upsets fans the most about Favre is that he fooled us. I personally thought he was this humble decent loyal person with little ego. Turns out he was not that person. I don't mind him playing for another team, it was the contacting other teams with tips on how to beat the Packers. It was the comment that he wanted to stick it to TT (and by this I take that as sticking it to the Packers) that is why he wanted to go to the Vikings. I don't hate him, and maybe some day I will appreciate him once again, but for now - not so much. If the Packers win a SB while he is still playing and the Vikings don't - that will go a long way towards mending the fences.

[Fritz]

Part of the stupid amount of money superstars make can be considered hazardous duty pay. They have to put up with ridiculously unrealistic fans.

I've never understood how people can make blanket statements like "If he doesn't win a championship this year, he's a failure. Even in individual sports that's a nutty thing to say. But in team sports, even more so. Was Ernie Banks a failure because the Cubbies never won a championship when he was with them? How is it his fault that the Cub management couldn't get the right mix there? And then there's luck, too.

As much as I enjoyed Favre throwing that pick in the Saints game, the loss is not all his fault. AP fumbled a bunch, I think, and maybe some special teams guy missed a block in the first quarter that would've sprung the returner for a touchdown.

[Pugger]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

That was a great post. But it still illustrates the undeniable: Danny Ferry and Chris Grant didn't surround LeBron with the talent he needed to win. Just like Ted Thompson.

THANKS DANNY

Then what was 2007?? Thompson surrounded #4 with enough talent to get to the conference championship game. Unfortunately yet another boneheaded INT by #4 prevented his team from the Promised Land.

[Pugger]

Look we can all say or do whatever, what favre did, lebron, it's just an example of something we all know but wish to dream it's not the case: Everyone is selfish, both in life and in their jobs.

One thing I think as fans we tend to forget about sports is that while we are doing our 40 hour a week jobs (usually more these days) and all that, kicking back on sunday watching football - these athletes are at work. They put in almost as much time into their job as we do every year, and there jobs, like ours, are kept based on performance, among several other factors.

Point is, was my heart torn from my chest in 2007? Sure, for a moment. That's before realization set in that hey, this is just a sport, and hey, this is what he does for a living. This is his job. If he wants to work elsewhere, who are we to stop him?

Point is that we let athletes, somehow, transend what normal human behavior is. You hear it all the time tehse days with people who meet favre, go out to his house - he's a great guy, fun to be around, and all that jazz, yet we sit back and blast him because hey, turns out he is human like everyone else and wants what is best for him.

Hey, aren't we the same way? Lets say I worked for oh, Walmart for 20 years. I was a store manager, heck, maybe even a supervisor of the entire walmart chain in a state. Best Buy comes along and offerse me a position of equal stature with more pay, and a better opportunity for advancement. Does Walmart think I betrayed them by quitting after 20 years and joining up at Best Buy? Not really. If I was "that valuable" - they would of bent over backwards to convince me not to leave. Instead, in general, they just let you go, realizing you made a personal decision for yourself alone. Life moves on, and people forget about it.

In sports, it's not easy to forget about anything - fans wont let that happen- but this is their job. This is what Favre, Lebron, and everyone else does for a living. I refuse to remain pissed off at a player for choosing (especially for lebron who wasn't even under contract and was a FA) to play elsewhere. They are human too, and as such, selfish.

We as fans need to stop putting players on a pedestal. All of us that are so heartbroken and pissed off are really our own issues, not #4's, and not Lebron. Say what you want, and abotu tbe "business" aspect - but this shit is their job. We get entertained by what they do.

They are people, no different then your neighbor, your kids, your spouse, your friends at work. Their job just happens to be sports.

But as you said, LeBron was a FA and #4 was not and was under contract for 2 more seasons before his teary PC. Favre didn't have the freedom to play wherever he wanted to like LaBron did. Favre was the one who dragged out that soap opera that summer. All he had to do was file for reinstatement and he would then be traded. Of course Favre wanted to be traded to MN but TT wasn't about to give a divisional rival the one piece of the puzzle they needed. I truly believe Favre dragged his feet in the hopes the PR nightmare would induce TT to give him his unconditional release. When it was obvious that wasn't gonna happen he filed his papers and was traded OUT of NFC to the Jets soon afterward.

[Guiness]

Welcome back, eh?

http://actionfigurecanada.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/450_cp_habs_090620.jpg

Hi Swede:

The HABS gave goalie Jaroslav Halak away for almost nothing. He was the heart and soul of that team. Most nights e carried the HABS.Alot of us Montreal Canadian fans really had a tough time with this trade to the St Louis Blues.

GO PACK GO!!

Neighbours didn't come over to make sure everything was alright with all the yelling and screaming that went on over here when I heard that announcement. No siree :oops:

[Pugger]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

That was a great post. But it still illustrates the undeniable: Danny Ferry and Chris Grant didn't surround LeBron with the talent he needed to win. Just like Ted Thompson.

THANKS DANNY

Then what was 2007?? Thompson surrounded #4 with enough talent to get to the conference championship game. Unfortunately yet another boneheaded INT by #4 prevented his team from reaching the Promised Land.

[mraynrand]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

That was a great post. But it still illustrates the undeniable: Danny Ferry and Chris Grant didn't surround LeBron with the talent he needed to win. Just like Ted Thompson.

THANKS DANNY

Then what was 2007?? Thompson surrounded #4 with enough talent to get to the conference championship game. Unfortunately yet another boneheaded INT by #4 prevented his team from the Promised Land.

You missed my sarcasm. I meant literally that Ted Thompson failed to surround Lebron with the talent he needed to win.

THANKSTED

[mraynrand]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

obviously no analogy is perfect, but it is a job.

If the vikings are willing to, well, give special treatment for him, then that is their business decision.

We were never willing to really do that, and if the jets had him earlier they most likely wouldn't of either.

Point is, he made a selfish decision and proved he is human like everyone else. Why should I fault any person for making such a decision? We make those same decisions all the time.

They are both great players, and I enjoyed watching them. I loved watching favre play for the pack, even through his mistakes because every time he was on the field he appeared to have fun, which made me have fun. You may see some sort of crazy play you may never see again. With Lebron it's the same thing in my mind. He is a great player, and did a lot of great things for the cavs - but let me ask you - what do they owe anyone?

They are great at what they do, and I appreciate what they did for their teams. If they want to move on, why should I get all pissed about it? It's a sport, and players are always moving around. Just because he moved so late in his career thats suppose to be a surprise? I mean, even some of the other all time greats (Joe Montana) had to move on from "his team" when he could still play because they already replaced him. Sure, favre retired and unretired (not unlike several other nfl players), but he was already replaced. Life moves on.

For lebron, I think is case is even MORE forgiving, for the simple fact that hey, he was a FA. What reason did he have to go back to the cavs who in 7 seasons never had enough to win the finals? Point is, people are selfish and I wont magically hate a guy because I was fooled into thinking x player was different. When you break it down, they are human. I appreciate what they do on the court/field and I will still enjoy some of what they do on the field/court, just maybe not as much. Like favre, I never want the vikings to really go anywhere, even if I still enjoy watching favre play. Things like that throw and amazing catch with Greg Lewis - stuff like that just seems to happen when favre is on your team. In the same breath, the int at the saints happens as well. Good and the bad. He is a fun player to watch, so is AP, but I still don't want their team to do well.

For lebron, I was never a big cavs fan, but I did enjoy watching him play, and I think I will still enjoy watching him play in Miami. I mean, if he was on the bucks and left, would I be more upset? Sure, but I wouldn't blame him. If we never gave him enough to win it all, why should he want to stick around. Guy wants multiple rings, and that is understandable.

I mean, look at MLB and Prince Fielder. We are either trading him this year, trading him next year, or letting him go after next season. Guy is considered one of the faces of the brewers, but because he and his agent selfishly want insane amounts of money, we can't keep him around.

Are we really all that upset at Fielder? The general consensus seems to be no. It really the same scenario. I think it was just upsetting to the us as pack fans because no one saw it coming, and to the cav fans because "he is home grown, so he must stay".

The fact he ever landed with the cavs via the draft was pure luck to begin with.

I think the point is that Favre (even moreso his relatives) behaved like a tool (Hi Greta, I'm here to complain!). Lebron could have shown a little more class vacating Cleveland, but he isn't anywhere near the Favre level tool status yet. He has to retire/unretire several times, fail to show up at team events and get special status, etc. etc., critique other players, etc. before he can even come close. "I just want to play."

LeBron pretty much just doing what the NBA allows and promotes (for reference, see the Celtics buying their championship a couple of years ago)

[ThunderDan]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

That was a great post. But it still illustrates the undeniable: Danny Ferry and Chris Grant didn't surround LeBron with the talent he needed to win. Just like Ted Thompson.

THANKS DANNY

Then what was 2007?? Thompson surrounded #4 with enough talent to get to the conference championship game. Unfortunately yet another boneheaded INT by #4 prevented his team from the Promised Land.

You missed my sarcasm. I meant literally that Ted Thompson failed to surround Lebron with the talent he needed to win.

THANKSTED

Another franchise ruined by TT!!! :lol: :lol:

[packerbacker1234]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

obviously no analogy is perfect, but it is a job.

If the vikings are willing to, well, give special treatment for him, then that is their business decision.

We were never willing to really do that, and if the jets had him earlier they most likely wouldn't of either.

Point is, he made a selfish decision and proved he is human like everyone else. Why should I fault any person for making such a decision? We make those same decisions all the time.

They are both great players, and I enjoyed watching them. I loved watching favre play for the pack, even through his mistakes because every time he was on the field he appeared to have fun, which made me have fun. You may see some sort of crazy play you may never see again. With Lebron it's the same thing in my mind. He is a great player, and did a lot of great things for the cavs - but let me ask you - what do they owe anyone?

They are great at what they do, and I appreciate what they did for their teams. If they want to move on, why should I get all pissed about it? It's a sport, and players are always moving around. Just because he moved so late in his career thats suppose to be a surprise? I mean, even some of the other all time greats (Joe Montana) had to move on from "his team" when he could still play because they already replaced him. Sure, favre retired and unretired (not unlike several other nfl players), but he was already replaced. Life moves on.

For lebron, I think is case is even MORE forgiving, for the simple fact that hey, he was a FA. What reason did he have to go back to the cavs who in 7 seasons never had enough to win the finals? Point is, people are selfish and I wont magically hate a guy because I was fooled into thinking x player was different. When you break it down, they are human. I appreciate what they do on the court/field and I will still enjoy some of what they do on the field/court, just maybe not as much. Like favre, I never want the vikings to really go anywhere, even if I still enjoy watching favre play. Things like that throw and amazing catch with Greg Lewis - stuff like that just seems to happen when favre is on your team. In the same breath, the int at the saints happens as well. Good and the bad. He is a fun player to watch, so is AP, but I still don't want their team to do well.

For lebron, I was never a big cavs fan, but I did enjoy watching him play, and I think I will still enjoy watching him play in Miami. I mean, if he was on the bucks and left, would I be more upset? Sure, but I wouldn't blame him. If we never gave him enough to win it all, why should he want to stick around. Guy wants multiple rings, and that is understandable.

I mean, look at MLB and Prince Fielder. We are either trading him this year, trading him next year, or letting him go after next season. Guy is considered one of the faces of the brewers, but because he and his agent selfishly want insane amounts of money, we can't keep him around.

Are we really all that upset at Fielder? The general consensus seems to be no. It really the same scenario. I think it was just upsetting to the us as pack fans because no one saw it coming, and to the cav fans because "he is home grown, so he must stay".

The fact he ever landed with the cavs via the draft was pure luck to begin with.

I think the point is that Favre (even moreso his relatives) behaved like a tool (Hi Greta, I'm here to complain!). Lebron could have shown a little more class vacating Cleveland, but he isn't anywhere near the Favre level tool status yet. He has to retire/unretire several times, fail to show up at team events and get special status, etc. etc., critique other players, etc. before he can even come close. "I just want to play."

LeBron pretty much just doing what the NBA allows and promotes (for reference, see the Celtics buying their championship a couple of years ago)

Yeah, Favre's relatives were actually worse then favre himself. I was actually surprised "how little" favre really said over the last 3 seasons, and how much his family keeps speaking up in his stead (especially in 2007). It's rather silly, but of course the family, as selfish people, want some spotlight on Sportscenter. lol

Like I said, players retire and unretire all the time in the NFL, so the fact favre did it twice, especially given his age, really isn't much of a shocker. The only team event that matters is showing up on sunday (or thursday, or saturday... thanks NFL network).

Hey, we critique players daily, and would still most likely do so if we were also NFL players. Were human, ermember? I don't fault brett for speaking out about silly things like Javon Walker's crap, because really he had a point. Sure, Favre may have been worse, but that doesn't lessen the truth about his previous critiques. And, it's not as if his critiques were really all that bad anyways. It wasn't like T.O. who threw McNabb under the bus after the Super Bowl.

Lebron is who he is. He wants rings. Cavs fans thinking their was any chacne Lebron comes back as a FA when the cavs signed, litterally, nobody with all the big stars out there, should of been a telling sign he is leaving.

[Bossman641]

I like the Walmart analogy. The greeter at our local store has set himself up as a good ol' boy from the south - he "just wants to work," and when they don't want him anymore, he'll retire. He's a local hero for his dedication to Walmart and the folks are going to retire his employee number and give him a standing O whenever he returns to shop after retirement. He's never had a spot of hypocrisy - he's criticized other players over the years for not showing up for work training sessions, but has never missed one himself or asked for special treatment. You'd love his family too - they never ask for special favors or poison his attitude as well. He's set all the Wallmart attendance records and is a first ballot wall of famer. Plus the millions he's made gurantee his loyalty to the community owned and operated store. Sure it's all 'just a business,' but he goes that extra mile....

obviously no analogy is perfect, but it is a job.

If the vikings are willing to, well, give special treatment for him, then that is their business decision.

We were never willing to really do that, and if the jets had him earlier they most likely wouldn't of either.

Point is, he made a selfish decision and proved he is human like everyone else. Why should I fault any person for making such a decision? We make those same decisions all the time.

They are both great players, and I enjoyed watching them. I loved watching favre play for the pack, even through his mistakes because every time he was on the field he appeared to have fun, which made me have fun. You may see some sort of crazy play you may never see again. With Lebron it's the same thing in my mind. He is a great player, and did a lot of great things for the cavs - but let me ask you - what do they owe anyone?

They are great at what they do, and I appreciate what they did for their teams. If they want to move on, why should I get all pissed about it? It's a sport, and players are always moving around. Just because he moved so late in his career thats suppose to be a surprise? I mean, even some of the other all time greats (Joe Montana) had to move on from "his team" when he could still play because they already replaced him. Sure, favre retired and unretired (not unlike several other nfl players), but he was already replaced. Life moves on.

For lebron, I think is case is even MORE forgiving, for the simple fact that hey, he was a FA. What reason did he have to go back to the cavs who in 7 seasons never had enough to win the finals? Point is, people are selfish and I wont magically hate a guy because I was fooled into thinking x player was different. When you break it down, they are human. I appreciate what they do on the court/field and I will still enjoy some of what they do on the field/court, just maybe not as much. Like favre, I never want the vikings to really go anywhere, even if I still enjoy watching favre play. Things like that throw and amazing catch with Greg Lewis - stuff like that just seems to happen when favre is on your team. In the same breath, the int at the saints happens as well. Good and the bad. He is a fun player to watch, so is AP, but I still don't want their team to do well.

For lebron, I was never a big cavs fan, but I did enjoy watching him play, and I think I will still enjoy watching him play in Miami. I mean, if he was on the bucks and left, would I be more upset? Sure, but I wouldn't blame him. If we never gave him enough to win it all, why should he want to stick around. Guy wants multiple rings, and that is understandable.

I mean, look at MLB and Prince Fielder. We are either trading him this year, trading him next year, or letting him go after next season. Guy is considered one of the faces of the brewers, but because he and his agent selfishly want insane amounts of money, we can't keep him around.

Are we really all that upset at Fielder? The general consensus seems to be no. It really the same scenario. I think it was just upsetting to the us as pack fans because no one saw it coming, and to the cav fans because "he is home grown, so he must stay".

The fact he ever landed with the cavs via the draft was pure luck to begin with.

I think the point is that Favre (even moreso his relatives) behaved like a tool (Hi Greta, I'm here to complain!). Lebron could have shown a little more class vacating Cleveland, but he isn't anywhere near the Favre level tool status yet. He has to retire/unretire several times, fail to show up at team events and get special status, etc. etc., critique other players, etc. before he can even come close. "I just want to play."

LeBron pretty much just doing what the NBA allows and promotes (for reference, see the Celtics buying their championship a couple of years ago)

Yeah, Favre's relatives were actually worse then favre himself. I was actually surprised "how little" favre really said over the last 3 seasons, and how much his family keeps speaking up in his stead (especially in 2007). It's rather silly, but of course the family, as selfish people, want some spotlight on Sportscenter. lol

Like I said, players retire and unretire all the time in the NFL, so the fact favre did it twice, especially given his age, really isn't much of a shocker. The only team event that matters is showing up on sunday (or thursday, or saturday... thanks NFL network).

Hey, we critique players daily, and would still most likely do so if we were also NFL players. Were human, ermember? I don't fault brett for speaking out about silly things like Javon Walker's crap, because really he had a point. Sure, Favre may have been worse, but that doesn't lessen the truth about his previous critiques. And, it's not as if his critiques were really all that bad anyways. It wasn't like T.O. who threw McNabb under the bus after the Super Bowl.

Lebron is who he is. He wants rings. Cavs fans thinking their was any chacne Lebron comes back as a FA when the cavs signed, litterally, nobody with all the big stars out there, should of been a telling sign he is leaving.

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

[swede]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

[Bretsky]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?


Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

[swede]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?


Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

So this will be their point guard?

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/ken%20mink.jpg

[Bretsky]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?


Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

So this will be their point guard?

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/ken%20mink.jpg


actually they are meeting with Derek Fischer this week

[retailguy]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

EZ.....

The Denver Broncos school of cap management.

[ThunderDan]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

They have 5 players under contract. That's it. Same as a NFL team having 23 players because of cap issues.

Miami may be able to sign 1 more resoanable contract. The rest will be league minimums to fill the roster.

[mraynrand]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?

They have 5 players under contract. That's it. Same as a NFL team having 23 players because of cap issues.

Miami may be able to sign 1 more resoanable contract. The rest will be league minimums to fill the roster.

Where o where is their Bill Cartwright or Kurt Rambis?

[Joemailman]

:jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack:

Since we allow only 1 Favre thread, shouldn't this just be a Favre thread? We already have a Lebron thread in the RR. Just my humble opinion.

http://bettingblogger.com/brett-favre-odds/

Prop bets on Favre. Interesting that Vikes odds of winning NFC are better with Favre than without, but odds of winning Super Bowl are worse with Favre than without.> :huh:

[swede]

LeBron and Brett, loyalty and freedom, revenge and pride: this digression is just another facet that reflects the universality of the Brett Favre story. In the end, every story is Brett's story.

[Bossman641]

The Cavs had no money to sign anyone. When Lebron signed his 3 year deal, he put the Cavs into short-term mode. Much like the Packers under Sherman, the Cavs were constantly giving up draft picks for older veterans to try to get them over the hump. They have been in the luxury tax area due to all these actions.

Then how on earth did Miami swing LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in a time when it is hard for most clubs to get the cap room to hire ONE megafreeagent?


Masterful job by Pat Riley. They cleared out nearly every player on their roster so they had enough space to do this.

So this will be their point guard?

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/ken%20mink.jpg


actually they are meeting with Derek Fischer this week

Fischer resigned with the Lakers.

And now, to get back on topic, Favre worked out with the high schoolers today. The charade continues.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5373798

[MadScientist]

And now, to get back on topic, Favre worked out with the high schoolers today. The charade continues.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5373798
Ah that Favre double standard again. He can play with high school boys with people barely raising an eyebrow, but when Chewy played with HS girls, he got into a heap of trouble.

[Fritz]

LeBron and Brett, loyalty and freedom, revenge and pride: this digression is just another facet that reflects the universality of the Brett Favre story. In the end, every story is Brett's story.

Interesting proposition, Swede. Let's try it out:

BP oil spill. I still can't believe the hubris of the CEO and the disdain with which he treated the common people, who buy his product.

I still can't believe the refereeing in the World Cup, nor can I believe the swan dives the players take in an attempt to get calls. It takes much of the fun out of watching the sport. Refs blowing calls, players taking exaggerrated falls - ugh.

Okay - tie these to Brett.

[mraynrand]

LeBron and Brett, loyalty and freedom, revenge and pride: this digression is just another facet that reflects the universality of the Brett Favre story. In the end, every story is Brett's story.

Interesting proposition, Swede. Let's try it out:

BP oil spill. I still can't believe the hubris of the CEO and the disdain with which he treated the common people, who buy his product.

I still can't believe the refereeing in the World Cup, nor can I believe the swan dives the players take in an attempt to get calls. It takes much of the fun out of watching the sport. Refs blowing calls, players taking exaggerrated falls - ugh.

Okay - tie these to Brett.

The BP CEO is easy - "He's just a kid out there!" "He just wants to play."

The flopping of soccer players is more challenging, especially since most of them graduated from the Vlade Divac school of acting:

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/a/a1/Act_vlade_divac.jpg

Still, 'The great one' had a memorable 'flop' or two...

http://c.complex.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/favre_strahan.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/smcclintonjr/Farve%20Archives/FAVRE94TD.jpg

[Pugger]

A beautiful post above - gets the thread back on track. Wow. Good work, Vince!

That was a great post. But it still illustrates the undeniable: Danny Ferry and Chris Grant didn't surround LeBron with the talent he needed to win. Just like Ted Thompson.

THANKS DANNY

Then what was 2007?? Thompson surrounded #4 with enough talent to get to the conference championship game. Unfortunately yet another boneheaded INT by #4 prevented his team from the Promised Land.

You missed my sarcasm. I meant literally that Ted Thompson failed to surround Lebron with the talent he needed to win.

THANKSTED

Oh, sorry! :oops: :lol:

[packerbacker1234]

you know whats so great about favre just "giving" strahan that sack for the record without fighting or avoiding it like usual... is that Peyton Manning has that same sort of picture like, 10 times a year, where instead of trying to avoid the sack he just lays down.

Favre gets criticized, Manning is being called smart.


Interesting take.

[woodbuck27]

:jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack:

Since we allow only 1 Favre thread, shouldn't this just be a Favre thread? We already have a Lebron thread in the RR. Just my humble opinion.

http://bettingblogger.com/brett-favre-odds/

Prop bets on Favre. Interesting that Vikes odds of winning NFC are better with Favre than without, but odds of winning Super Bowl are worse with Favre than without.> :huh:

So looking at that:

If the Vikings are led to the Super Bowl Game and Favre suddenly retires before the Big game. The Vikings then have an enhanced shot at winning the Lombardi with say. . . T. Jackson as Favre's replacment at QB.

Ok got it!! :shock:

GO PACK GO !!

[retailguy]

you know whats so great about favre just "giving" strahan that sack for the record without fighting or avoiding it like usual... is that Peyton Manning has that same sort of picture like, 10 times a year, where instead of trying to avoid the sack he just lays down.

Favre gets criticized, Manning is being called smart.


Interesting take.

You have to know that you have this completely out of context. In the Favre example, you cleverly forgot to mention that the Packers OL had held Strahan (and everyone else) sack less for the majority of the game.

Strahan didn't penetrate at all, he merely stood up, Favre ran a bootleg to him, and he fell on him.

Manning, meanwhile, has always "fallen down" when defenders get close. It is no surprise any more.

It is certainly not comparable to the Favre incident.

[PlantPage55]

It is certainly not comparable to the Favre incident.

Exactly. It's silly to think otherwise. Peyton is doing it during a game to preserve his body. The Brett-Strahan situation was CLEARLY concocted simply to get him the record.

Ridiculous that the subtlety is actually missed by some people. It's not even subtle.

[Scott Campbell]

So looking at that:

If the Vikings are led to the Super Bowl Game and Favre suddenly retires before the Big game. The Vikings then have an enhanced shot at winning the Lombardi with say. . . T. Jackson as Favre's replacment at QB.

Ok got it!! :shock:

GO PACK GO !!

Have we learned NOTHING over the last 2 years????

I could see Bert doing that just to get out of the first week of Superbowl practice. He'd un-retire sometime after all the Bert tributes had aired, and in time for the pre-game show.

[Bossman641]

you know whats so great about favre just "giving" strahan that sack for the record without fighting or avoiding it like usual... is that Peyton Manning has that same sort of picture like, 10 times a year, where instead of trying to avoid the sack he just lays down.

Favre gets criticized, Manning is being called smart.


Interesting take.

You have to know that you have this completely out of context. In the Favre example, you cleverly forgot to mention that the Packers OL had held Strahan (and everyone else) sack less for the majority of the game.

Strahan didn't penetrate at all, he merely stood up, Favre ran a bootleg to him, and he fell on him.

Manning, meanwhile, has always "fallen down" when defenders get close. It is no surprise any more.

It is certainly not comparable to the Favre incident.

X 1

The 2 situations have nothing to do with one another at all.

[cheesner]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Favre-has-to-determine-how-badly-he-wants-to-kick-Packs-ass.html?team=115


"There was just silence. I said, 'Well, what are we gonna do?'” Favre recalled from the meeting when he announced he was coming out of retirement. “They made it pretty clear I wasn't going to play there, and I said, 'How about the Vikings or even the Lions?' I wanted to stay in the same division. They said that wasn't going to happen, but maybe Tampa.

“I said, 'Fine, trade me to Tampa. I'll whip your asses in week four.' Maybe that was a mistake. I'm flying back to Hattiesburg thinking I'm going to the Bucs, and I get off the plane and (agent) Bus (Cook) tells me I've been traded to the Jets. I said, 'Bull,' but they were smart; they released the news so I'd look like an ass if I backed out.”


I suspect Brett is putting more into this than TT or MM did. He makes it sound as if the Vikings weren't his first choice, almost an after-thought. But how would you explain all the phone contact between Brett and the Vikings.

[Scott Campbell]

“I said, 'Fine, trade me to Tampa. I'll whip your asses in week four.' Maybe that was a mistake. I'm flying back to Hattiesburg thinking I'm going to the Bucs, and I get off the plane and (agent) Bus (Cook) tells me I've been traded to the Jets. I said, 'Bull,' but they were smart; they released the news so I'd look like an ass if I backed out.”



So let's see if I have this straight. Bert is mad because the Packers changed their minds?

Really??? :lol:

[RashanGary]

The ultimate season, as it relates to Bert. . .

1. Packers win SB
2. Rodgers gets SB MVP
3. Rodgers gets league MVP
4. We beat Vikings twice
5. Rodgers outperforms Favre in both games


That would be the ultimate good riddance to Bert Farce.

[retailguy]

The ultimate season, as it relates to Bert. . .

1. Packers win SB
2. Rodgers gets SB MVP
3. Rodgers gets league MVP
4. We beat Vikings twice
5. Rodgers outperforms Favre in both games


That would be the ultimate good riddance to Bert Farce.

More than the ultimate, this SHOULD be the result this year. Anything short of #1 will have been a disappointment, I believe. I don't really care about the other 4 things on your list, but they'd be nice to have.

[RashanGary]

#1 is the ultimate punch to Bert's bag and the ultimate joy for Packer fans.

Everything else is secondary, but just to have all of that happen, it would be hilarious to hear that guys press conferences.

[falco]

Strahan didn't penetrate at all,

That's what LT said too. What's up with these guys??

[Freak Out]

This thread really does need to morph into the Packer SB run thread. :)

[mraynrand]

you know whats so great about favre just "giving" strahan that sack for the record without fighting or avoiding it like usual... is that Peyton Manning has that same sort of picture like, 10 times a year, where instead of trying to avoid the sack he just lays down.

Favre gets criticized, Manning is being called smart.


Interesting take.

Sorry, but I have to chime in here: This kills any credibility you might have as to objectively evaluating Favre - and possibly everything else in football.

[mraynrand]

The ultimate season, as it relates to Bert. . .

1. Packers win SB
2. Rodgers gets SB MVP
3. Rodgers gets league MVP
4. We beat Vikings twice
5. Rodgers outperforms Favre in both games


That would be the ultimate good riddance to Bert Farce.

It would be the ultimate, but all the Packers have to have is a home victory over the Vikings. Can't lose a home divisional game to a good rival. It severely damages your season. Look at the difference had the Packers won that game last year...

[HowardRoark]

Sorry if this has already been posted (new article)......Favre blames Rice for throw:


Favre Speaks To Men's Health
By Bill Michaels
Portions of this stroy were reported by the AP, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Access Vikings and USA Today.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre tells Men's Journal magazine that playing another year "probably isn't going to make a difference" when it comes to his long-term health.
Favre tells the magazine that enough damage has already been done to his body. The issue comes out on Friday.
The Vikings are still waiting to learn whether Favre will return for a 20th NFL season. His agent, Bus Cook, tells The Associated Press in an e-mail that he has no update on Favre's status.
Favre is scheduled to appear at the ESPY Awards ceremony in Los Angeles on Wednesday night. He has four nominations.

Star Tribune / USA Today -- Favre spoke of his final discussions with the Packers, prior to his trade to the Jets, "There was just silence. I said, 'Well, what are we gonna do?' They made it pretty clear I wasn't going to play there, and I said, 'How about the Vikings or even the Lions?' I wanted to stay in the same division. They said that wasn't going to happen, but maybe Tampa. I said, 'Fine, trade me to Tampa. I'll whip your asses in week four.' Maybe that was a mistake. I'm flying back to Hattiesburg thinking I'm going to the Bucs, and I get off the plane and Bus tell me I've been traded to the Jets. I said, 'Bull,' but they were smart; they released the news so I'd look like an ass if I backed out."

Access Vikings received an advanced copy (don’t worry, I’m sure I’ll get mine very soon) of Brett Favre’s interview in Men’s Health which will be released on Friday. Chip Scoggins’ snippets of the story are fairly revealing and have sold at least one more copy of Men’s Health (if they don’t get that advanced copy to me, that is).

The story includes a firsthand account of Favre’s agent Bus Cook going bonkers over the fact that Favre decided to tell ESPN’s Ed Werder about his ankle surgery. The story goes on to chronicle the phone call from the clueless Brad Childress inquiring about the surgery.

Favre also seems to still be smarting from the loss to the Saints in the NFC Championship Game, and speaks at length about the ill advised interception that ended the Vikings hopes of winning in regulation.

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

“As a player you’ve got to pull the trigger,” Favre added. “You can’t say, Well, is he going to do what I think he’s going to do? He wasn’t wrong, and in some ways, I wasn’t either.”

Favre was criticized for taking a gamble at such a crucial time. Rodrick wrote: “Some say it’s the Football Gods settling the score for his yearly tease.”

Responded Favre to the criticism: “They were the same people who said I’d suck all season. I don’t worry about that. A lot of plays go into a game; that was just one of them.”

However, Rodrick writes that Favre brought the subject up again a different day.

“Sometimes I say to myself, An interception? A whole year of making great decisions and it ends on an intercep*tion? You have got to be kidding me.”

The most touching quote (and, no, that isn’t sarcasm) comes when he speaks about what the 2010 season meant to him.

“I’ve had games when I almost threw seven picks,” Favre told Rodrick, laughing. “It was unreal. Before last year, I’d reached a point where I was sitting in meetings with guys 15 years younger than me thinking, What the hell am I doing here? Football became work. But last year it went back to being a game.”

[Scott Campbell]

Sorry if this has already been posted (new article)......Favre blames Rice for throw:


:shock:

Figures.

:lol:

[Pugger]

Sorry if this has already been posted (new article)......Favre blames Rice for throw:


Favre Speaks To Men's Health
By Bill Michaels
Portions of this stroy were reported by the AP, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Access Vikings and USA Today.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre tells Men's Journal magazine that playing another year "probably isn't going to make a difference" when it comes to his long-term health.
Favre tells the magazine that enough damage has already been done to his body. The issue comes out on Friday.
The Vikings are still waiting to learn whether Favre will return for a 20th NFL season. His agent, Bus Cook, tells The Associated Press in an e-mail that he has no update on Favre's status.
Favre is scheduled to appear at the ESPY Awards ceremony in Los Angeles on Wednesday night. He has four nominations.

Star Tribune / USA Today -- Favre spoke of his final discussions with the Packers, prior to his trade to the Jets, "There was just silence. I said, 'Well, what are we gonna do?' They made it pretty clear I wasn't going to play there, and I said, 'How about the Vikings or even the Lions?' I wanted to stay in the same division. They said that wasn't going to happen, but maybe Tampa. I said, 'Fine, trade me to Tampa. I'll whip your asses in week four.' Maybe that was a mistake. I'm flying back to Hattiesburg thinking I'm going to the Bucs, and I get off the plane and Bus tell me I've been traded to the Jets. I said, 'Bull,' but they were smart; they released the news so I'd look like an ass if I backed out."

Access Vikings received an advanced copy (don’t worry, I’m sure I’ll get mine very soon) of Brett Favre’s interview in Men’s Health which will be released on Friday. Chip Scoggins’ snippets of the story are fairly revealing and have sold at least one more copy of Men’s Health (if they don’t get that advanced copy to me, that is).

The story includes a firsthand account of Favre’s agent Bus Cook going bonkers over the fact that Favre decided to tell ESPN’s Ed Werder about his ankle surgery. The story goes on to chronicle the phone call from the clueless Brad Childress inquiring about the surgery.

Favre also seems to still be smarting from the loss to the Saints in the NFC Championship Game, and speaks at length about the ill advised interception that ended the Vikings hopes of winning in regulation.

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

“As a player you’ve got to pull the trigger,” Favre added. “You can’t say, Well, is he going to do what I think he’s going to do? He wasn’t wrong, and in some ways, I wasn’t either.”

Favre was criticized for taking a gamble at such a crucial time. Rodrick wrote: “Some say it’s the Football Gods settling the score for his yearly tease.”

Responded Favre to the criticism: “They were the same people who said I’d suck all season. I don’t worry about that. A lot of plays go into a game; that was just one of them.”

However, Rodrick writes that Favre brought the subject up again a different day.

“Sometimes I say to myself, An interception? A whole year of making great decisions and it ends on an intercep*tion? You have got to be kidding me.”

The most touching quote (and, no, that isn’t sarcasm) comes when he speaks about what the 2010 season meant to him.

“I’ve had games when I almost threw seven picks,” Favre told Rodrick, laughing. “It was unreal. Before last year, I’d reached a point where I was sitting in meetings with guys 15 years younger than me thinking, What the hell am I doing here? Football became work. But last year it went back to being a game.”

Because he can't see or admit he made a mistake on that INT in New Orleans is the reason why he keeps making the same stupid throws in big games since 1997. This is his Achille's heel and will prevent him from being considered one of the top QBs in league history.

[Fritz]

I don't know if he isn't already considered one of the top QB's in league history, but I do agree that his unwillingness to reconsider his sometimes ill-advised throws has kept him from being as great as he could have been.

[sharpe1027]

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

“As a player you’ve got to pull the trigger,” Favre added. “You can’t say, Well, is he going to do what I think he’s going to do? He wasn’t wrong, and in some ways, I wasn’t either.”


Just because it worked once before, doesn't excuse the throw. Throwing the ball back across the middle late is a bad idea, especially in the situation they were in. His excuse, especially the part where he seems to lay some of the blame on Rice, shows just how delusional/self-centered he can be.

[mraynrand]

That quote kinda says it all - Favre pretty much is saying that he'd do it all over again (and probably will). He's a stubborn dude. Part of his success/charm but also part of his failing, like Fritz suggests.

[Scott Campbell]

Just because it worked once before, doesn't excuse the throw.


A 50% interception rate would seem a bit high - even by his standards.

[packerbacker1234]

That quote kinda says it all - Favre pretty much is saying that he'd do it all over again (and probably will). He's a stubborn dude. Part of his success/charm but also part of his failing, like Fritz suggests.

As I said earlier this year - he is who he is. Yes he had his best season statistically ever, and he "stayed away" from the bad throws... or maybe he didn't? No one seemed to explore the fact that he still threw risky passes, and for what seemed like the first time since the 90's, they almost always worked.

That throw is excusable only if it was 100% necessary, like a 4th down need 8 yards or you lose situation. It wasn't excusable when it's a tie game and you at least have a fleeting shot at a very long FG.

Favre isn't why they lost, but he had a chance to lift his team late and he blew it.

I mean, naturally some of it is also on the WR - at least for the interception aspect. Like favre said, the week prior the same play happened and Rice came back TO the ball, and if he did that in the saints game he would of most likely broke up the int. To that, I agree, Rice should of broke back towards Favre and he just sort of stood there.

Favre is right in that regard. In terms of trying to defend the throw itself - there really is no defense for that decision, other than he is Brett Favre and this what he does. It had been working all season, hell look at the games against the packers where he threw TD passes into tripple coverage in tight games. It is what he is, and this is the downfall of how he plays.

He is a risk taker, a gun slinger, and a highly entertaining player on the field. He does stuff that just makes you go "WoW" - but that same stuff makes you go "man he is stupid" when it goes wrong.

He will be remembered as possibly the most entertaining and fun to watch QB to ever play, and as the biggest high risk, high reward thrower in the history of the game. He gets it to work more than anyone else who tries the same passes, and thats why he is still around and still putting up great #'s. It's also why he needs luck on his side to win another SB.

[Scott Campbell]

As I said earlier this year - he is who he is.



A one hit wonder.

[Bretsky]

mother in laws

[gex]

That quote kinda says it all - Favre pretty much is saying that he'd do it all over again (and probably will). He's a stubborn dude. Part of his success/charm but also part of his failing, like Fritz suggests.

As I said earlier this year - he is who he is. Yes he had his best season statistically ever, and he "stayed away" from the bad throws... or maybe he didn't? No one seemed to explore the fact that he still threw risky passes, and for what seemed like the first time since the 90's, they almost always worked.

That throw is excusable only if it was 100% necessary, like a 4th down need 8 yards or you lose situation. It wasn't excusable when it's a tie game and you at least have a fleeting shot at a very long FG.

Favre isn't why they lost, but he had a chance to lift his team late and he blew it.

I mean, naturally some of it is also on the WR - at least for the interception aspect. Like favre said, the week prior the same play happened and Rice came back TO the ball, and if he did that in the saints game he would of most likely broke up the int. To that, I agree, Rice should of broke back towards Favre and he just sort of stood there.

Favre is right in that regard. In terms of trying to defend the throw itself - there really is no defense for that decision, other than he is Brett Favre and this what he does. It had been working all season, hell look at the games against the packers where he threw TD passes into tripple coverage in tight games. It is what he is, and this is the downfall of how he plays.

He is a risk taker, a gun slinger, and a highly entertaining player on the field. He does stuff that just makes you go "WoW" - but that same stuff makes you go "man he is stupid" when it goes wrong.

He will be remembered as possibly the most entertaining and fun to watch QB to ever play, and as the biggest high risk, high reward thrower in the history of the game. He gets it to work more than anyone else who tries the same passes, and thats why he is still around and still putting up great #'s. It's also why he needs luck on his side to win another SB.

Right on!

[Pugger]

I don't know if he isn't already considered one of the top QB's in league history, but I do agree that his unwillingness to reconsider his sometimes ill-advised throws has kept him from being as great as he could have been.

Maybe I should have said top FIVE... :oops:

[Pugger]

That quote kinda says it all - Favre pretty much is saying that he'd do it all over again (and probably will). He's a stubborn dude. Part of his success/charm but also part of his failing, like Fritz suggests.

As I said earlier this year - he is who he is. Yes he had his best season statistically ever, and he "stayed away" from the bad throws... or maybe he didn't? No one seemed to explore the fact that he still threw risky passes, and for what seemed like the first time since the 90's, they almost always worked.

That throw is excusable only if it was 100% necessary, like a 4th down need 8 yards or you lose situation. It wasn't excusable when it's a tie game and you at least have a fleeting shot at a very long FG.

Favre isn't why they lost, but he had a chance to lift his team late and he blew it.

I mean, naturally some of it is also on the WR - at least for the interception aspect. Like favre said, the week prior the same play happened and Rice came back TO the ball, and if he did that in the saints game he would of most likely broke up the int. To that, I agree, Rice should of broke back towards Favre and he just sort of stood there.

Favre is right in that regard. In terms of trying to defend the throw itself - there really is no defense for that decision, other than he is Brett Favre and this what he does. It had been working all season, hell look at the games against the packers where he threw TD passes into tripple coverage in tight games. It is what he is, and this is the downfall of how he plays.

He is a risk taker, a gun slinger, and a highly entertaining player on the field. He does stuff that just makes you go "WoW" - but that same stuff makes you go "man he is stupid" when it goes wrong.

He will be remembered as possibly the most entertaining and fun to watch QB to ever play, and as the biggest high risk, high reward thrower in the history of the game. He gets it to work more than anyone else who tries the same passes, and thats why he is still around and still putting up great #'s. It's also why he needs luck on his side to win another SB.

Right on!

Luck? No, he should consider playing smarter in big games, something he has failed to do for a while now. He might be entertaining to fans but I seriously doubt coaches find his gunslinger mentality all that endearing. Of course they'd never say so in public. High reward? With his raw talent he should have won more than just one SB but his penchant to take risks has prevented him from doing just that.

[RashanGary]

He's like an and-1 basketball player. He's amazing but fundementally rough around the edges. He thrives on doing this his way. Watching the way he plays, he wants to win, but the drive inside him to try to make the amazing and-1 play gets in the way of him wanting to win, even thought he put that on hold for most of last year (making only one or two highlight plays all year)

To a casual football fan or even some serious football fans, his risk/reward, and-1 style is exciting and it draws fans, keeps interest.

To real football guys, and hardcore fans, I think just about everyone prefers to watch a Tom Brady, Joe Montana and maybe even Troy Aikman to a Brett Favre who just can't stop himself from ruining the game. In football, I appreciate a winner more than a few amazing plays.

I'd compare Brett Favre to Allen Iverson. Amazing numbers, some of the most amazing plays of all time, but not a champion, not a guy who makes the guys around him better, not a guy you want in crunch time of a playoff game.

[Patler]

To real football guys, and hardcore fans, I think just about everyone prefers to watch a Tom Brady, Joe Montana and maybe even Troy Aikman to a Brett Favre who just can't stop himself from ruining the game. In football, I appreciate a winner more than a few amazing plays.


Bart Starr, Bart Starr, Bart Starr!

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/lionsblog/index.php#ixzz0tsxlMbIl


Favre recently gave a revealing interview to Men's Journal magazine. He detailed his willingness to be traded to the Lions during his standoff with Packers general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy in 2007 after he ended his first retirement.

"There was just silence," Favre told the magazine. I said, 'Well, what are we gonna do?' They made it pretty clear I wasn't going to play there, and I said, 'How about the Vikings or even the Lions?' I wanted to stay in the same division."

[Fritz]

I thought at the time Favre said it wasn't about revenge, not at all.

Then why would he want to stay in the division?

I thought, at the time, he'd like to play somewhere closer to home. But I guess not.

Damn, Ted should've traded him to the Lions. He could've gotten Matt Millen to give up an entire draft.

[Scott Campbell]

Bert Favre Excusomatic Bingo:


http://www.vikingsgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/favrebingo1.jpg

[packerbacker1234]

He's like an and-1 basketball player. He's amazing but fundementally rough around the edges. He thrives on doing this his way. Watching the way he plays, he wants to win, but the drive inside him to try to make the amazing and-1 play gets in the way of him wanting to win, even thought he put that on hold for most of last year (making only one or two highlight plays all year)

To a casual football fan or even some serious football fans, his risk/reward, and-1 style is exciting and it draws fans, keeps interest.

To real football guys, and hardcore fans, I think just about everyone prefers to watch a Tom Brady, Joe Montana and maybe even Troy Aikman to a Brett Favre who just can't stop himself from ruining the game. In football, I appreciate a winner more than a few amazing plays.

I'd compare Brett Favre to Allen Iverson. Amazing numbers, some of the most amazing plays of all time, but not a champion, not a guy who makes the guys around him better, not a guy you want in crunch time of a playoff game.

Well he is a winner. He has had far more success then AI ever had in the NBA. He got a ring, he owns the record books, he has won more football games than any other QB, and he been the the big game twice, and had 5 total trips to the NFC championship game, which is far more than a player like AI ever accomplished.

And, of the 3 NFC Champ games he lost, he was not the only factor that lead to loss, he is just the one people remember. People easily forget all the other crap.

That doesn't excuse his poor play in other playoff games in the last decade, but is McNabb at Favre's level then? He can't seem to get it done in the playoffs either, despite all his trips to teh nfc championship team. It takes a "team" to win it all - thats what I keep seeing of late.

Peyton finally got a ring, and he played like crap. His team lifted him. In 2007, favre threw the OT int, but we couldn't run the ball like, at all, the OL played like shit, the DL played like shit, and we never gave any help to Harris on Plexico.

Vikings had 5 turnovers to the saints none, correct? Only 2 of those are on #4. His offense fell apart around him. OL played like shit, the players around him played like shit, and the only thing that went right for the vikings was that defense in the second half.

I am not trying to excuse his mistake and horrible throw - what I am saying is that I don't like the analogy. It's one of those things. Should he have more rings? Yes. Is it all his fault he doesn't? No. You need the complete package as a TEAM to get that ring, and throughout most the years in GB we didn't really have that complete team. We had glaring weaknesses that were taken advantage of, on top of favre playing bad.

Win as a team, lose as a team. Look at Drew Brees. He played great last year in the playoffs, and still his team was pretty close to not getting to the super bowl.

No matter how great you "should be" or you "are" - it still takes a team to win it.

Even without some of his playoff blow ups, I don't know if we would of won those games regardless.

[woodbuck27]

Sorry if this has already been posted (new article)......Favre blames Rice for throw:


Favre Speaks To Men's Health
By Bill Michaels
Portions of this stroy were reported by the AP, Minneapolis Star Tribune, Access Vikings and USA Today.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre tells Men's Journal magazine that playing another year "probably isn't going to make a difference" when it comes to his long-term health.
Favre tells the magazine that enough damage has already been done to his body. The issue comes out on Friday.
The Vikings are still waiting to learn whether Favre will return for a 20th NFL season. His agent, Bus Cook, tells The Associated Press in an e-mail that he has no update on Favre's status.
Favre is scheduled to appear at the ESPY Awards ceremony in Los Angeles on Wednesday night. He has four nominations.

Star Tribune / USA Today -- Favre spoke of his final discussions with the Packers, prior to his trade to the Jets, "There was just silence. I said, 'Well, what are we gonna do?' They made it pretty clear I wasn't going to play there, and I said, 'How about the Vikings or even the Lions?' I wanted to stay in the same division. They said that wasn't going to happen, but maybe Tampa. I said, 'Fine, trade me to Tampa. I'll whip your asses in week four.' Maybe that was a mistake. I'm flying back to Hattiesburg thinking I'm going to the Bucs, and I get off the plane and Bus tell me I've been traded to the Jets. I said, 'Bull,' but they were smart; they released the news so I'd look like an ass if I backed out."

Access Vikings received an advanced copy (don’t worry, I’m sure I’ll get mine very soon) of Brett Favre’s interview in Men’s Health which will be released on Friday. Chip Scoggins’ snippets of the story are fairly revealing and have sold at least one more copy of Men’s Health (if they don’t get that advanced copy to me, that is).

The story includes a firsthand account of Favre’s agent Bus Cook going bonkers over the fact that Favre decided to tell ESPN’s Ed Werder about his ankle surgery. The story goes on to chronicle the phone call from the clueless Brad Childress inquiring about the surgery.

Favre also seems to still be smarting from the loss to the Saints in the NFC Championship Game, and speaks at length about the ill advised interception that ended the Vikings hopes of winning in regulation.

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

“As a player you’ve got to pull the trigger,” Favre added. “You can’t say, Well, is he going to do what I think he’s going to do? He wasn’t wrong, and in some ways, I wasn’t either.”

Favre was criticized for taking a gamble at such a crucial time. Rodrick wrote: “Some say it’s the Football Gods settling the score for his yearly tease.”

Responded Favre to the criticism: “They were the same people who said I’d suck all season. I don’t worry about that. A lot of plays go into a game; that was just one of them.”

However, Rodrick writes that Favre brought the subject up again a different day.

“Sometimes I say to myself, An interception? A whole year of making great decisions and it ends on an intercep*tion? You have got to be kidding me.”

The most touching quote (and, no, that isn’t sarcasm) comes when he speaks about what the 2010 season meant to him.

“I’ve had games when I almost threw seven picks,” Favre told Rodrick, laughing. “It was unreal. Before last year, I’d reached a point where I was sitting in meetings with guys 15 years younger than me thinking, What the hell am I doing here? Football became work. But last year it went back to being a game.”

Yes here is the portion of the story Re: Favre pass to Sidney Rice and the pick.

“The previous week against the Cowboys, we did the same exact play to Rice,” Favre told Rodrick. “We were up about 25 at the time, so it was different. He came back to me on a broken play, and we got 20 yards. This time, when I let it go, I’m thinking he’s going to come back to me. As he drifted farther and farther away, I could see the corner come in from the other side, and I’m thinking, Oh, sh-t.”

The same play was called earlier in the season Vs 'the Cowboys'... and that was successful because Sidney Rice came back to the ball on a possible 25 yard pass and catch play.

Favre only says.. he threw (that ball that was picked) thinking that, Sidney Rice would come back to the throw. That he didn't and as a consequence the DB was able to come between Rice and the released ball and make the pick was 'just one of those things' that happens when execution isn't as perfect as the called play is designed for a positive result.

Favre doesn't per say blame Sidney Rice. He doesn't throw Sidney Rice under the bus. That was only one play that went bad and cost the Vikings a Super Bowl shot.

Favre played courageously in that game. It was brutal the pressure and pain (hurt) he endured and still pass for over 300 yards. It was brutal to see the results of the pressure that the Saints threw at Favre....and him just keep on producing in his position.

That game was alot more than that particular play gone bad and pick. I will not defend Favre on that play. He had an option he failed to see as he was too focused on a pass to Sidney Rice but he doesn't lay the blame on Sidney Rice. He threw that ball as it turned out into close coverage as Sidney Rice positioned himself to make the catch.

One of those things. No blame is layed.

GO PACK GO!

[HarveyWallbangers]

He learned from Obama. It's my fault, but here are the reasons it's not my fault.

[mission]

He learned from Obama. It's my fault, but here are the reasons it's not my fault.

I was gonna say!! If that's not passing the buck then I don't know what is ... he's perfect at blaming something while still leaving himself an out of not blaming anyone. It takes awhile to develop that kind of political ability.

[Bretsky]

I thought at the time Favre said it wasn't about revenge, not at all.

Then why would he want to stay in the division?

I thought, at the time, he'd like to play somewhere closer to home. But I guess not.




I find it hard to believe anybody thinks revenge isn't part of the reasoning
I find it equally hard to believe anybody thinks Ted and MM wanted him back

Ted and MM wanted to move on and there was nothing wrong with that
Brett was offended and wanted to stick it to them and still does

Now if everybody can just acknowledge those ideas then people can stop acting like divas (just as Favre often did) who are so and obsessed enough about the guy who hasn't played for us in two ye ars they can't even refer to him by his real name

P.S.- end commentary is not specifically for you or any particular poster

[HarveyWallbangers]

That's a nice response, Bretsky. For me, the wound isn't open anymore. Sure, I hope he fails miserably with the Vikings, but life goes on. (Unless, of course, the Vikings win a Super Bowl with him at the helm. Then, I'll never forgive him.) I still think he's a great player and decent person. He is a diva though, and I've seen the light on a lot of stuff that I was blind too or overlooked when he was a Packer. Tons of money + 20 years of being coddled/worshipped will do that to a person.

[Joemailman]

While there are many fans who cant just let it go, the fact is Favre can't either. His recent comments seek to justify his position, while trying to cast the Packers in a bad light. I am more and more convinced that there will never be a reconciliation between Favre and the Packers because Favre doesn't want one.

[Scott Campbell]

Favre doesn't per say blame Sidney Rice. He doesn't throw Sidney Rice under the bus.



That's what Chilly tried to tell Sidney, but Sidney isn't buying it. And neither are we. :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

I thought at the time Favre said it wasn't about revenge, not at all.

Then why would he want to stay in the division?

I thought, at the time, he'd like to play somewhere closer to home. But I guess not.




I find it hard to believe anybody thinks revenge isn't part of the reasoning
I find it equally hard to believe anybody thinks Ted and MM wanted him back

Ted and MM wanted to move on and there was nothing wrong with that
Brett was offended and wanted to stick it to them and still does

Now if everybody can just acknowledge those ideas then people can stop acting like divas (just as Favre often did) who are so and obsessed enough about the guy who hasn't played for us in two ye ars they can't even refer to him by his real name

P.S.- end commentary is not specifically for you or any particular poster


I think people should feel however they want to feel about it. And I'd like you to stop your obsession with telling us how we should feel about it.