OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[HowardRoark]

When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less. I meant by "ostentatiousness" that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Swede is not known for his cloying panoply of pleonastics; at least not in a nefarious manner. He comes across rather, well, phlegmatic.

As for this topic of Favre, a little vergangenheitsbewältigung I think is in order (now THAT is a pulchritudinous word).

[Scott Campbell]

Some of us like small words Howard.

[HowardRoark]

Some of us like small words Howard.

In the future I will keep it tout court. Sorry Hoosier, meant tout court.

[superfan]

http://www.movieforum.com/movies/titles/labyrinth/images/labyrinth.jpg

If a picture truly equals 1000 words, then this picture - more than any other possibly could - accurately summarizes the contents of this 330+ page thread.

[MJZiggy]

I don't need 1000 words to describe this thread when I can just use clusterfuck and be done with it.

[mraynrand]

vergangenheitsbewältigung.

Does your stomach feel better now?

[Tarlam!]

vergangenheitsbewältigung.

Does your stomach feel better now?

its a great word, ya gotta admit.

[Fritz]

Fahrvegnugen!

[vince]

Fritz I'm surprised you haven't yet learned how to spell the man's name, although I have to admit I like that spelling better.

[HowardRoark]

vergangenheitsbewältigung.

Does your stomach feel better now?

My stomach never feels better until 17 minutes after my third cup of coffee. Unless I eat pancakes, then it's 13 minutes.

[woodbuck27]

I also have a decent set of manners and am of good character Tarlam! I always have tried my very best to reach you as such and I constantly have failed. I don't have excessive pride and always can admit any error as it applys.


In the US we generally find character references more compelling when they come from people other than ourselves. I've never understood why you choose to post this stuff Woody. It reads like a job application.

That's not an attack or anything - just an observation.

Anywho - on to football!

Do you feel the need to help me Scott Campbell? I'll not justify the manner or way I choose to take my position (s). How I choose to respond to anything. I just write honestly.

I know very well who I am and I'm honest with myself. It's my integrity and 'the TRUTH', no matter what anyone may wish to think or challenge me on. I'm honest.

A question just for yourself Scott Campbell? I seek no response. I want this latest attack to go away Scott. It's never fun to have to sustain myself through such abuse. There should never be a place for that sort of thing and the destructiveness of such behaviour.

I challenge anyone in here to determine times when I made ' a first attack ' against any member of Packerrats; and send that info. to the owner of this board. It's not my nature to be an antagonist. Any such accusation is unfair towords me and certainly so in terms of recent history.

Why do/did you feel the need to get involved 'at all' in this attack? .

Secondly: This is a football forum. A Green Bay Packer Forum not a social gathering of the ' YOU Vs anyone else that doesn't act or accept YOU ' SOCIETY.

I've never been a joiner.[/b] There's a club of people inside of Packerrats that I cannot agree with and you are in that group. No disrespect meant, but I seperate from that group.'If I'm not respecxted, so be it. I have to first respect myself. OK. :D

To elaborate I think for myself and like how that works for me. I think on my own two feet; just don't side with anyone or with any issue. That's what makes me different and gives me the edge that I need.

c) May I add this. Your an American and I'm a Canadian. We'rre different and in somethings/regards, diversely so. We think differently as we're influenced differently culturally and environmentally (ie politically) etc.

d) I never kiss anyone ass Scott. If your right I applaud it. Wrong or twisted or a bully; otherwise oppressive, use power incorrectly or assume power falsely and I oppose you. I don't stand straddling any line. OK

I know your sorry you asked ! Good !!! :idea:

Otherwise Scott have a nice day and a great weekend. I mean that sincerely, Ed. woodbuck27 :D

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

I don't need 1000 words to describe this thread when I can just use clusterfuck and be done with it.

clusterfuck ... mmmm :D ... is that in your Webster's dictionary. MJZiggy?

Long live the character and quality of ' the man ' I've come to observe, enjoy and appreciate inspite of any flaws and respectfully deserved or otherwise criticisms in Brett Favre. A man I respect as an outstanding Pro athlete and person who does his best to serve his personal needs and values as an NFL QB of distinction and immense talent.

Long live ' this thread ', that is, and remains a tribute to his outstanding contributions to ' the Green Bay Packers ' when he was our QB and ' a leader ' of distinction among his peers yesterday and today.

The bottom line. We have to defeat Brett Favre and his team to advance ' the Packer ' cause and ideal goal. To get to and win a Super Bowl and hopefully so, while Brett Favre is still in the NFL.

GO PACKERS GO!

[Sparkey]

Long live the character and quality of ' the man ' I've come to observe, enjoy and appreciate inspite of any flaws and respectfully deserved or otherwise criticisms in Brett Favre. A man I respect as an outstanding Pro athlete and person who does his best to serve his personal needs and values as an NFL QB of distinction and immense talent.



:knll:

[RashanGary]

We all are what we are. We will all live and die. Judgment, be it one way or the other, doesn't change or even put in perspective the realities that are so simple they can't be put in words. We just are.

You don't appear to be at peace Woodbuck. Peacefulness feels good.

[channtheman]

Fuck Favre.

[Sparkey]

Fuck Favre.

:flm:

[Fritz]

Fuck Favre.

After that lovely string of deep, thoughtful, spiritual, peace-seeking posts, this was perfect!

[Tony Oday]

Fuck Favre.

After that lovely string of deep, thoughtful, spiritual, peace-seeking posts, this was perfect!

I giggled.

[Scott Campbell]

Why do/did you feel the need to get involved 'at all' in this attack?


1) I didn't attack you.
2) You don't get to dictate what I do and don't respond to.
3) You're a poster here - just like me. That's right - just like me.

[Gunakor]

Fuck Favre.

:lol:

[Cheesehead Craig]

If Favre cuts in front of me at a movie theatre, am I allowed to be upset and speak up?

[HowardRoark]

If Favre cuts in front of me at a movie theatre, am I allowed to be upset and speak up?

Depends. Was Hutch with him?

[hoosier]

If Favre cuts in front of me at a movie theatre, am I allowed to be upset and speak up?

Whatever you do, don't do it too loudly--chances are he would fart on you.

[Scott Campbell]

Actually, that quote predates Bert Wood. It dates back to the earliest Free Masons and my father told it to me when I was about 7 years old. The problem is, Ed, you don't take your own advice. You come on here, self righteuos, beating your chest and write pages of jiberish and you stick it to more posters than I care to count, all the while proclaiming your superior intellect and morals.


In the US were taught that it's not polite to talk about yourself - unless you're running for office, in which case nobody will believe you anyway.

[packerbacker1234]

If Favre cuts in front of me at a movie theatre, am I allowed to be upset and speak up?

I may like favre a lot as a player, but if he cuts in front of me at the movie theatre and I happen to be on a date, he better have a good explanation. And no, the "you're dating my daughter" line wont cut it #4. We went to the theatre to GET AWAY from you.


:)

[MJZiggy]

I don't need 1000 words to describe this thread when I can just use clusterfuck and be done with it.

clusterfuck ... mmmm :D ... is that in your Webster's dictionary. MJZiggy?

Long live the character and quality of ' the man ' I've come to observe, enjoy and appreciate inspite of any flaws and respectfully deserved or otherwise criticisms in Brett Favre. A man I respect as an outstanding Pro athlete and person who does his best to serve his personal needs and values as an NFL QB of distinction and immense talent.

Long live ' this thread ', that is, and remains a tribute to his outstanding contributions to ' the Green Bay Packers ' when he was our QB and ' a leader ' of distinction among his peers yesterday and today.

The bottom line. We have to defeat Brett Favre and his team to advance ' the Packer ' cause and ideal goal. To get to and win a Super Bowl and hopefully so, while Brett Favre is still in the NFL.

GO PACKERS GO!

The word is meant to apply to this thread as a whole. Read the whole thing from start to finish and then tell me it doesn't apply...

[woodbuck27]

We all are what we are. We will all live and die. Judgment, be it one way or the other, doesn't change or even put in perspective the realities that are so simple they can't be put in words. We just are.

You don't appear to be at peace Woodbuck. Peacefulness feels good.

Whhhhaaaaattt!!

Trust me JustinHarrell. I'm very much 'at Peace'. :D

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

Why do/did you feel the need to get involved 'at all' in this attack?


1) I didn't attack you.
2) You don't get to dictate what I do and don't respond to.
3) You're a poster here - just like me. That's right - just like me.

Did I say you attacked me? I'll answer that. No!

I didn't even mean to infer that Scott. Post all you so desire Scott. Post away.

Bye. :D

[woodbuck27]

I don't need 1000 words to describe this thread when I can just use clusterfuck and be done with it.

clusterfuck ... mmmm :D ... is that in your Webster's dictionary. MJZiggy?

Long live the character and quality of ' the man ' I've come to observe, enjoy and appreciate inspite of any flaws and respectfully deserved or otherwise criticisms in Brett Favre. A man I respect as an outstanding Pro athlete and person who does his best to serve his personal needs and values as an NFL QB of distinction and immense talent.

Long live ' this thread ', that is, and remains a tribute to his outstanding contributions to ' the Green Bay Packers ' when he was our QB and ' a leader ' of distinction among his peers yesterday and today.

The bottom line. We have to defeat Brett Favre and his team to advance ' the Packer ' cause and ideal goal. To get to and win a Super Bowl and hopefully so, while Brett Favre is still in the NFL.

GO PACKERS GO!

The word is meant to apply to this thread as a whole. Read the whole thing from start to finish and then tell me it doesn't apply...

MJZiggy. You'd have to define that word. Darn. I cannot find it in any Canadian Dictionary.

GO PACK GO !

Big win coming over 'the Bills'. Tomorrow...errr today. Time to hit 'the hay'.

It's GAMEDAY !! :D

[Tarlam!]

Actually, that quote predates Bert Wood. It dates back to the earliest Free Masons and my father told it to me when I was about 7 years old. The problem is, Ed, you don't take your own advice. You come on here, self righteuos, beating your chest and write pages of jiberish and you stick it to more posters than I care to count, all the while proclaiming your superior intellect and morals.


In the US were taught that it's not polite to talk about yourself - unless you're running for office, in which case nobody will believe you anyway.

We're taught that in Australia, too. It's the 11th Commandment. Talking about or praising ones self is seen as vulgar, repulsive behaviour. I have a real problem with posters around here that need to continually blow their own horns.

[vince]

Big win coming over 'the Bills'. Tomorrow...errr today. Time to hit 'the hay'.

It's GAMEDAY !! :D
I'd say you were up a little too late last night Woody.

[woodbuck27]

Big win coming over 'the Bills'. Tomorrow...errr today. Time to hit 'the hay'.

It's GAMEDAY !! :D
I'd say you were up a little too late last night Woody.

Nope! vince I went to bed sometime shortly after midnight. Up early as usual working on the Pro Pick'Em. A poor start for me last week. Superfan, retailguy and Justin Harrell are all of to super starts. I need to reign those Packer fans in over the next 4-5 weeks.

How come your not entering that event vince. You's do very well at that. It's a solid challenge and interesting from the standpoint of understanding the NFL overall.

Come aboard next season vince. It's a blast. :D

GO PACKERS GO!

[swede]

[quote="Scott Campbell"][quote=Tarlam!] I have a real problem with posters around here that need to continually blow their own horns.

There once was a man from Nantucket...

[RashanGary]

3 ints, 1 fumble, 0-2


BERT!

[Cheesehead Craig]

It's been said that Brent is a competitor, I think after these first 2 games the Vikes wish he'd go compete for someone else.

[MJZiggy]

3 ints, 1 fumble, 0-2


BERT!

I saw about 30 seconds of that game. In that 30 seconds, Bert threw and interception and the announcer called him old. Then the Phins fumbled.

[Tarlam!]

It makes me very satisfied to see him get his just desserts.

[Iron Mike]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/mike_zankle/bratfart.jpg

[denverYooper]

(crickets)

[b bulldog]

I love Br-INT Favre

[Scott Campbell]

c) The above will be opposed by ' the Brett Favre Factor ' or Favre knowing and believing. That he still has all it takes to lead the Vikings with whatever they have that's positive and will prevail in the battle between his team and OUR's as he feels he can and must.


Bert sure sucked again today. 3 INT's - 0 TD's. And he choked again with the game on the line.

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[Iron Mike]

I love Br-INT Favre

He's just like a kid out there!!!!

[Scott Campbell]

Maybe Longwell, Allen and Hutch can escort him back down to Hattiesburgh.

[MJZiggy]

I love Br-INT Favre

He's just like a kid out there!!!!

Think pee-wee.

[Scott Campbell]

Think Bert can pull off the improbable choke against Detroit at home next week?


Nah. :lol:

[Fritz]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

[Travbrew]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

[MJZiggy]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

No. You're fine. It's always ok to dance a little when your rival's qb stinks. And stink he does this week. Not like he'll ALWAYS stink right? Just the random game here and there and playoff games when everything's on the line...

[Travbrew]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

No. You're fine. It's always ok to dance a little when your rival's qb stinks. And stink he does this week. Not like he'll ALWAYS stink right? Just the random game here and there and playoff games when everything's on the line...

Prefect. I love you. :oops:

[Travbrew]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

No. You're fine. It's always ok to dance a little when your rival's qb stinks. And stink he does this week. Not like he'll ALWAYS stink right? Just the random game here and there and playoff games when everything's on the line...

Prefect. I love you. :oops:

:oops: Ok J/K, maybe I should have said "I love your your train of thought?
I'm just a loving type of guy!!
All in fun!

[Fritz]

Zig is awesome. No question.

By the way, I just skated through a Vikes' message board. Cliffs are being jumped from.. Someone even suggested that the Vikes would've won that game today with T. Jack...

Oh my.

[MJZiggy]

:lol: :lol: No worries. Doesn't even compare to some stuff I've seen here... :shock:

[Travbrew]

Zig is awesome. No question.

By the way, I just skated through a Vikes' message board. Cliffs are being jumped from.. Someone even suggested that the Vikes would've won that game today with T. Jack...

Oh my.

:lol: :lol:
I have this overwhelming urge to knock on my neighbor's door and rub it in to the same jackass that went out of his way to inform me that he's a queen fan on Halloween (after seeing my hand carved Packer pumpkin) when he brought his kids to my house to trick or treat.

[Scott Campbell]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?




Upstanding people of extraordinary high character everywhere are enjoying his suckiness. :lol:

[Fritz]

So it must be okay for a lowlife like me, then!

[Iron Mike]

By the way, I just skated through a Vikes' message board. Cliffs are being jumped from.. Someone even suggested that the Vikes would've won that game today with T. Jack...

Wow....Purple Pride has a Freakout also:

http://www.purplepride.org/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/1066896-official-vikes-vs-miami-postgame-discussion

[MJZiggy]

By the way, I just skated through a Vikes' message board. Cliffs are being jumped from.. Someone even suggested that the Vikes would've won that game today with T. Jack...

Wow....Purple Pride has a Freakout also:

http://www.purplepride.org/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/1066896-official-vikes-vs-miami-postgame-discussion

Our Freakout is way cooler!

[Scott Campbell]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0Y8UUVkP6DM/0.jpg

[bobblehead]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

Back on the old JS board my sig was: 258 wrong routes run since 1995.

I try to be classier now, but I am admitting to a childish delight watching him toss one pick after the other.

[RashanGary]

I watched his press conference. He's out there being stubborn, saying he's not going to change the way he plays. This is the Bert we know.

Something tells me he's going to give Packer fans a lot of joy this year.

[Pugger]

I love Br-INT Favre

He's just like a kid out there!!!!

:lol: :lol:

[Pugger]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?




Upstanding people of extraordinary high character everywhere are enjoying his suckiness. :lol:

:D

[HowardRoark]

I love Br-INT Favre

He's just like a kid out there!!!!

:lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7s3pQ1VFI

[mraynrand]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

It's OK, just don't tip all the way to the other extreme. Andre Rison, Terry Glenn - some of their creative route running was epic.

[mraynrand]

I love Br-INT Favre

He's just like a kid out there!!!!

:lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7s3pQ1VFI

He plays the position like a NOSETACKLE! (throws like one too!)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/04/16/nm_john_madden_090416_main.jpg

[Patler]

Today was a part of the overall Brett Favre experience that Vikings fans were not exposed to last year. They had a hint of it with the playoff interception, but not a whole game experience. It's times like this that Packer fans were told that you have to take the bad with the good. But when the good does not take you as far as you want to go, over time the bad becomes harder to accept.

[pbmax]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

It's OK, just don't tip all the way to the other extreme. Andre Rison, Terry Glenn - some of their creative route running was epic.
Don't forget Mike Holmgren's favorite Bill Schroeder.

[mraynrand]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

It's OK, just don't tip all the way to the other extreme. Andre Rison, Terry Glenn - some of their creative route running was epic.
Don't forget Mike Holmgren's favorite Bill Schroeder.

Schroeder ran routes? I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't recall any of them.

[retailguy]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

It's OK, just don't tip all the way to the other extreme. Andre Rison, Terry Glenn - some of their creative route running was epic.
Don't forget Mike Holmgren's favorite Bill Schroeder.

Schroeder ran routes? I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't recall any of them.

I thought he exclusively ran a fly pattern and then out jumped the defender.

[pbmax]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

It's OK, just don't tip all the way to the other extreme. Andre Rison, Terry Glenn - some of their creative route running was epic.
Don't forget Mike Holmgren's favorite Bill Schroeder.

Schroeder ran routes? I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't recall any of them.
Yes, he was running the route that called for him to raise his hand when he was open after the QB had thrown to someone else.

[mraynrand]

Is it awful of me that I am enjoying Brent's travails?

I mean, it's not like I'm wishing him personal ill in his family life or anything. But I feel so warm and fuzzy when he throws an interception then gestures angrily at the receiver...

Nope.

Bliss. Nothing but bliss. Of course those picks weren't his fualt, remember all those years when we all thought it was the receivers fault? I want to kick my own ass for being such an apologist.

It's OK, just don't tip all the way to the other extreme. Andre Rison, Terry Glenn - some of their creative route running was epic.
Don't forget Mike Holmgren's favorite Bill Schroeder.

Schroeder ran routes? I'll have to take your word for it, because I don't recall any of them.
Yes, he was running the route that called for him to raise his hand when he was open after the QB had thrown to someone else.

Like Aeneas Williams?

[Scott Campbell]

Today was a part of the overall Brett Favre experience that Vikings fans were not exposed to last year. They had a hint of it with the playoff interception, but not a whole game experience. It's times like this that Packer fans were told that you have to take the bad with the good. But when the good does not take you as far as you want to go, over time the bad becomes harder to accept.


Well said!

http://media.journalinteractive.com/images/DeannaFavre1.jpg

[channtheman]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brett-favre-wont-last-long-playing-like-this-092010

Interesting article. I wonder if the Vikings do indeed start 0-3 if Favre decides to bolt for the season and career. He came back for a Super Bowl and when that is not in the realm of possibility will he actually get "hurt" and end his career?

[Guiness]

Gawd, can you imagine the tears at the press conference if he were to retire after game 3?

I can see it - crying, dabbing it with a hanky, saying he tried to come back but it just wasn't the same, he gave it his all like he always does...

[Scott Campbell]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brett-favre-wont-last-long-playing-like-this-092010

Interesting article. I wonder if the Vikings do indeed start 0-3 if Favre decides to bolt for the season and career. He came back for a Super Bowl and when that is not in the realm of possibility will he actually get "hurt" and end his career?


Favre and the Vikes lose to Detroit at home - inconceivable.

[MichiganPackerFan]

...I have a real problem with posters around here that need to continually blow their own horns.

That sounds like something Skin would do if he had two fewer ribs...

[Scott Campbell]

Andrew Brandt: Revisiting Randy Moss (More Interesting Details About a Trade That Never Happened)

The strange ranting of Randy Moss this week takes me back to the weekend of the 2007 Draft; much of it spent trying to sign Moss. It was a brief but intense negotiation that fueled some fire with Brett Favre when, for the first of two times, the Packers couldn’t agree with Moss on a contract.

Moss for sale

The Raiders bold experiment with Moss – they had traded Napoleon Harris and the 7th pick in the 2005 Draft for him – ended after two seasons when Moss could be had for a mid-round pick. Ted Thompson surprisingly had some interest, having been impressed with the way Moss handled himself at a charity event that he happened to be at in Texas. And Brett, of course, was extremely jazzed about the idea.

Now there were two parts to the deal to make it happen. First, there had to be agreement with the Raiders on draft pick compensation. We were offering a fifth-round pick and the Patriots later came up with a fourth. That, however, was the not the key to the deal.

One-year deal breaker

Moss was scheduled to make $9.75 million for 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008. Those amounts may well have been $100 million and $200 million; he was not making what was on the contract. We needed to bring in Moss, coming off a year with a pedestrian 43 receptions, at a more reasonable number with upside. The Patriots were also showing interest.

I negotiated with Moss’s agent while the recruiting from the alpha dogs – Brett and Tom Brady -- intensified. Moss was getting texts and calls throughout the weekend from both Favre and Brady both imploring him to come and form a powerhouse duo.

The offers from both teams were very similar for 2007, both around $3 million with additional incentives. Our proposal allowed Moss to make more than the Patriots proposal, although we had significant money tied to 45-man active roster bonuses, protecting us from injury if he could not play.

Our offer, however, required a second year in 2008. Moss and his agents were adamant that he wanted only a one-year deal. Having lost market value from his Raider experience, Moss would agree to a massive pay reduction for 2007 but wanted to hit the open market in 2008 coming off what he expected to be a big season.

The feeling in our discussions was that we did not want to rent Randy for a year only to have him shop to highest bidder in a few months trying to recoup some of his lost earnings in 2007. We discussed different ideas, but in the end we were insistent on a two-year deal. While we haggled about an appropriate roster bonus to activate the second year of the deal, the Patriots relented on the length and agreed to a one-year deal. That was it; he was going with Brady.

Mississippi burning

Brett was livid. The rest of the weekend I was fielding calls from Bus Cook about what went wrong in trying to sign Randy. Ted did not want to deal with Bus, so I listened patiently to their rancor and tried to explain our position.

I truly empathized with Brett. He had befriended and admired Randy for years and the two of them had dreamed of playing together. Here was an opportunity for us to make it a reality. But ultimately, we stood on our principles requiring more than a one-year commitment.

I told Brett to trust what we had at the position; that Greg Jennings would be a star in a couple years. He said he didn’t have a couple of years. Brett offered to give up some of his salary for the following season – although that was his last season with the Packers (see below) -- to bring in Randy. I told that was much appreciated but we would never take his money away from him to sign another player.

Brett was forever wanting a more aggressive attitude by the front office toward player acquisition than the present regime. My constant message that our method of drafting and developing talent rather than acquiring proven commodities only served to infuriate him and his resentment of a general manager that showed him none of the compassion and welcomed input of previous regimes.

Patriot games

Fast forward to 2008. After a wonderful year for the Patriots, catching 98 balls for 1493 yards and 23 touchdowns, Moss was a free agent as he designed, now with interest from several teams to cash in on his one-year deal. And cash in he did, re-signing with the Patriots for a three-year, $27 million deal with over $14 million guaranteed.

And guess what team showed some decent interest again in 2008? Yes, the Packers (along with the Eagles and Cowboys). But again, despite getting Brett's hopes up again, the Packers bowed out of the bidding (I had left the Packers at that point but heard the anger and frustration from Brett’s camp). Moss re-signed with the Patriots on March 3rd. Favre retired from the Packers on March 4th. Coincidence?

Whither Randy?

Now Moss is coming to the end of that deal with deafening silence from the Patriots about re-signing for the third time. A lot can change between now and March, but it appears he has had his run wit the team, and it’s been a successful and lucrative one. And one that found the Packers in second place for his services twice.

Follow me on Twitter at adbrandt.

[Scott Campbell]

Andy Brandt: "Brett was forever wanting a more aggressive attitude by the front office toward player acquisition than the present regime. My constant message that our method of drafting and developing talent rather than acquiring proven commodities only served to infuriate him and his resentment of a general manager that showed him none of the compassion and welcomed input of previous regimes."




And that's when Bert decided to become a traitor.

[Scott Campbell]

Moss re-signed with the Patriots on March 3rd. Favre retired from the Packers on March 4th. Coincidence?

Nope. It was Bert's highly orchestrated FU to the Packers for not running things his way.

[RashanGary]

Moss re-signed with the Patriots on March 3rd. Favre retired from the Packers on March 4th. Coincidence?

Nope. It was Bert's highly orchestrated FU to the Packers for not running things his way.

Yep.

[gex]

"Brett offered to give up some of his salary for the following season – although that was his last season with the Packers (see below) -- to bring in Randy. I told that was much appreciated..."

That Brett Favre...after 16 years of giving 1 team all that he had on the field, he was more than willing to give back to the team to ensure that OUR GREEN BAY PACKERS had every opportunity to win a Super Bowl those years.
Ahh well, posting a winning record and getting knocked out of the playoffs early on a yearly basis is way more than us mere fans deserve. :shock:

[Gunakor]

How many rings has Randy Moss helped his teams win? What makes you think it would have been any different here? He's played with Tom Brady and hasn't won a ring. There's no reason to believe he'd have won a ring playing with Brett Favre.

Ain't no Packer fan wanted that crybaby "I'll play when I wanna play" piece of shit in our locker room anyway. Fuck Randy Moss.

[Fritz]

"Brett offered to give up some of his salary for the following season – although that was his last season with the Packers (see below) -- to bring in Randy. I told that was much appreciated..."

That Brett Favre...after 16 years of giving 1 team all that he had on the field, he was more than willing to give back to the team to ensure that OUR GREEN BAY PACKERS had every opportunity to win a Super Bowl those years.
Ahh well, posting a winning record and getting knocked out of the playoffs early on a yearly basis is way more than us mere fans deserve. :shock:

Gun's comment was good, but I also thought that Gex's point is interesting. Why not take up Brent on his offer, take a bunch of his salary away, and sign Moss for two years? What the hell? You'd contribute to the legend of Favre and get the guy you were ostensibly after.

[Gunakor]

"Brett offered to give up some of his salary for the following season – although that was his last season with the Packers (see below) -- to bring in Randy. I told that was much appreciated..."

That Brett Favre...after 16 years of giving 1 team all that he had on the field, he was more than willing to give back to the team to ensure that OUR GREEN BAY PACKERS had every opportunity to win a Super Bowl those years.
Ahh well, posting a winning record and getting knocked out of the playoffs early on a yearly basis is way more than us mere fans deserve. :shock:

Gun's comment was good, but I also thought that Gex's point is interesting. Why not take up Brent on his offer, take a bunch of his salary away, and sign Moss for two years? What the hell? You'd contribute to the legend of Favre and get the guy you were ostensibly after.

I think I remember hearing something about how Moss wasn't going to sign a multiyear deal at that time. Moss only wanted a 1 year deal wherever he went, so that he could hit the free agent market after that season was over. Thompson wasn't willing to do that, insisting on a 2 year deal at the fairly cheap salary New England got him for the first year. New England then had to resign Moss at a much higher salary or he would have become a free agent.

If Moss would have signed for 2 years right off the bat, I'd bet Thompson would have signed him without taking any of Brett's money away at all.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Maybe Moss just wasn't really into Brent as much as it was rumored he was.

[pbmax]

"Brett offered to give up some of his salary for the following season – although that was his last season with the Packers (see below) -- to bring in Randy. I told that was much appreciated..."

That Brett Favre...after 16 years of giving 1 team all that he had on the field, he was more than willing to give back to the team to ensure that OUR GREEN BAY PACKERS had every opportunity to win a Super Bowl those years.
Ahh well, posting a winning record and getting knocked out of the playoffs early on a yearly basis is way more than us mere fans deserve. :shock:
Please tell me how many Super Bowl titles that Randy Moss has delivered to the New England Patriots?

Everyone remembers when the final piece to the puzzle results in a championship (Eugene Robinson, Bruce Wilkerson, Andre Rison). No one remembers when the final piece results in a playoff loss (Seth Joyner, Hardy Nickerson, Roy Williams, Joe Johnson, Terrell Owens, Ryan Longwell, Jay Cutler, Donte Stallworth, Jevon Kearse, and on and on).

No one dislikes Favre for wanting Moss. Its when he feels it is his right to be GM that he gets into dangerous territory. Read the story again. When he didn't get what he wanted, he and Bus threw a tantrum. Twice. Over the length of the contract offered to another player.

Michael Jordan was a better players in his sport than Favre is in football and there are 2/3 fewer players on a roster. When Jordan would publicly, and privately, lobby for another ex-Tar Heel to be signed, Reinsdorf and Krause ignored him and somehow, without his expertise, they won 6 titles anyway.

It is the sense of entitlement that leads athletes into trouble. Is it any coincidence that the larger the role and consideration Favre was given, there was less and less playoff success?

[Scott Campbell]

The worst thing about this is how obvious that Bert's sham retirement was the act of a petulant child taking his ball and going home when he couldn't have things his way.

[RashanGary]

The worst thing about this is how obvious that Bert's sham retirement was the act of a petulant child taking his ball and going home when he couldn't have things his way.

Good post.

[Freak Out]

Favre looked old and played like he didn't want to be out there yesterday.

[MJZiggy]

Favre looked old and played like he didn't want to be out there yesterday.

I saw less than a minute of that game. As soon as I turned it on, Favre threw an INT and Aikman called him old.

[retailguy]

Favre looked old and played like he didn't want to be out there yesterday.

I saw less than a minute of that game. As soon as I turned it on, Favre threw an INT and Aikman called him old.

Well, you now have your assignment for the next 14 weeks. Do not let us down.

[MJZiggy]

Favre looked old and played like he didn't want to be out there yesterday.

I saw less than a minute of that game. As soon as I turned it on, Favre threw an INT and Aikman called him old.

Well, you now have your assignment for the next 14 weeks. Do not let us down.

I have to watch one minute of every Viking game? Apparently that's all it took this week...

[Freak Out]

Favre looked old and played like he didn't want to be out there yesterday.

I saw less than a minute of that game. As soon as I turned it on, Favre threw an INT and Aikman called him old.

He looked old....in pain...and you could tell he was getting frustrated.

[MJZiggy]

Favre looked old and played like he didn't want to be out there yesterday.

I saw less than a minute of that game. As soon as I turned it on, Favre threw an INT and Aikman called him old.

He looked old....in pain...and you could tell he was getting frustrated.

In the late game, they had snippets of the early pressers. Favre said something like "I knew it would be difficult, but I didn't know it would be like this..."

[Fritz]

I think Ziggy is the first to make the call. She has said that Favre's great fear has been staying on too long...and now he may have.

What I wonder is this: if he continues to play badly and the Vikings losses mount, would Favre walk away mid-season?

I think he would.

[Scott Campbell]

I think he'd hobble away and fabricate some sort of injury excuse.

[Pugger]

I think Ziggy is the first to make the call. She has said that Favre's great fear has been staying on too long...and now he may have.

What I wonder is this: if he continues to play badly and the Vikings losses mount, would Favre walk away mid-season?

I think he would.

I do too. He seems to me to be the type of player that doesn't play well if he isn't enjoying it. During the Monday Night Countdown show earlier on BSPN they showed Favre entering the stadium hours before the team's home opener and he looked like he was headed to the gallows.

[MJZiggy]

I think he'd hobble away and fabricate some sort of injury excuse.

The ankle's just not holding up. I really thought it would after the surgery. I thought it would be alright but the bone spurs are back and it's not healing like I'd hoped.

[Freak Out]

I think he'd hobble away and fabricate some sort of injury excuse.

The ankle's just not holding up. I really thought it would after the surgery. I thought it would be alright but the bone spurs are back and it's not healing like I'd hoped.

Dr. Zig has spoken.

[HowardRoark]

I think he'd hobble away and fabricate some sort of injury excuse.

The ankle's just not holding up. I really thought it would after the surgery. I thought it would be alright but the bone spurs are back and it's not healing like I'd hoped.

That's not Bert. There are no rhetorical questions that "that's for you fellas to decide..."

[Joemailman]

I think Ziggy is the first to make the call. She has said that Favre's great fear has been staying on too long...and now he may have.

What I wonder is this: if he continues to play badly and the Vikings losses mount, would Favre walk away mid-season?

I think he would.

If he were to do it, it would be after this week's game with the Lions. Vikings have a bye in Week 4. If he plays poorly and especially if the Vikings lose, he could claim he's not helping the team, and retire.

Not likely though. The Lions are still pretty bad defensively.

[GrnBay007]

It's so cute how many of you still "care"!! :D

[Joemailman]

Care about the Vikings being in last place, and the Packers in first? You bet!!

[Scott Campbell]

BRING BACK MOBB DEEP!

[Joemailman]

BRING BACK MOBB DEEP!

Vick is back. He doesn't care about Brett anymore.

[Tarlam!]

...I have a real problem with posters around here that need to continually blow their own horns.

That sounds like something Skin would do if he had two fewer ribs...

You might be surprised if you met Skin. He is a prince of a guy in real life. Very hard not to like.

[sharpe1027]

You might be surprised if you met Skin. He is a prince of a guy in real life. Very hard not to like.

Usually someone is a prince of a country, but I can see Skin as being a prince of a guy.

[MichiganPackerFan]

...I have a real problem with posters around here that need to continually blow their own horns.

That sounds like something Skin would do if he had two fewer ribs...

You might be surprised if you met Skin. He is a prince of a guy in real life. Very hard not to like.

Oh I have no doubts of that whatsoever! The witty/crass humor hints that we'd get along great in real life. There's a lot of people here I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to meet for a couple beers (including yourself of course)

[vince]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hard-hits/2010/09/brett_favre_is_the_vikings_pro.html


Brett Favre is the Vikings' problem
I'm sure all of the Brett Favre apologists will say the Vikings lost their first two games for every reason but the play of Favre. This is wrong. Many of the problems with Minnesota can be traced back to Favre and how he held an entire team hostage for the off-season.

The Vikings are struggling due to a lack of timing and continuity. You have to believe this began with the Vikings players seeing how Favre, the catalyst of the team, treated training camp and other affairs this year. When timing routes and meetings should've been taking place between quarterback and receivers, there instead were news headlines about Favre's very unclear future.

Quite frankly, there is no substitute for hard work and preparation. It's ridiculous to think that one could just throw a few passes to high school kids and do Wrangler commercials, then walk onto an NFL field and win. The competition level is too high for an aging man to continue to think that he could get away with his casual approach to the game.

What's even more interesting is that Favre's yardage wasn't bad in Sunday's loss to Miami. He threw for 225 yards - a very impressive stat for any quarterback. But three interceptions is not. Turnovers will lose games.

And after an 0-2 start, I'm wondering whether the Vikings still think it was wise for them to beg Favre not to retire? Was it worthwhile to offer him more money and send their best players and coaches to visit him during training camp to plead with him to play? Please.

This could turn out to be the worst off-season decision of the year.

Honestly, what do you believe these Viking players are thinking? I'll tell you. They are wondering the same thing they wondered last year: How the heck does an NFL franchise allow so much indecision? How does an NFL franchise allow a single player to dictate what happens and what doesn't?

And here's the most detrimental thought of all: Teammates now say to themselves, 'if he can get away with it, then why shouldn't I be able to do the same'?

The Vikings do not have a clear direction at this point, and although they were a pass away from playing in the Super Bowl last season, this team seems disjointed and dangerously close to a meltdown. And we all know the reason why. Sad, but true, we all know that Brett Favre's shenanigans are the main reason why.

By LaVar Arrington | September 20, 2010; 11:40 AM ET

[Joemailman]

I doubt Lavar Arrington knows much about what the Viking players are thinking. This week will be the key one. If Favre struggles against the Lions, then he and the team are in big trouble. If he does well, he and the team still have a chance to salvage a good season.

[vince]

Perhaps he should have said, "As a recent NFL player who played in the league for seven years, here's what I'd be thinking if I were a Viking."

[Tarlam!]

...I have a real problem with posters around here that need to continually blow their own horns.

That sounds like something Skin would do if he had two fewer ribs...

You might be surprised if you met Skin. He is a prince of a guy in real life. Very hard not to like.

Oh I have no doubts of that whatsoever! The witty/crass humor hints that we'd get along great in real life. There's a lot of people here I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to meet for a couple beers (including yourself of course)

Ah, I am not that interesting. But Skin, Nutz, Bretzky, Michelle, Ziggy Superfan, Harvey and Rastak. They are amazing. Of course our lostb posters OPF and PiP and her husband as well.

Partial, well, he had/has issues, but I liked him anyway.

Madtown is a hoot in real life. A hoot!

[RashanGary]

Bretsky, Ziggy, GBM, Partial, Harvey, Bretsky, RG were all fun to hang out with. Madtown was a blast. Where the hell did he go?

It's not the same on the internet. In real life, people just seem to get along a lot better.

[mraynrand]

Bretsky, Ziggy, GBM, Partial, Harvey, Bretsky, RG were all fun to hang out with. Madtown was a blast. Where the hell did he go?

It's not the same on the internet. In real life, people just seem to get along a lot better.

What the fuck do you know about it, Capone?

[mraynrand]

BTW, I emailed Maxi the Taxi - and no response. I fear the worst. Same with Harlan, except I haven't sent an email to his personal address yet. Even if he hates FYI, he should still come in and talk some pack.

[MOBB DEEP]

Bretsky, Ziggy, GBM, Partial, Harvey, Bretsky, RG were all fun to hang out with. Madtown was a blast. Where the hell did he go?

It's not the same on the internet. In real life, people just seem to get along a lot better.

ikr

I KNOW RIGHT?

the drama is fun as long as people keep it in perspective..sports are a mere diversion

[MOBB DEEP]

I doubt Lavar Arrington knows much about what the Viking players are thinking. This week will be the key one. If Favre struggles against the Lions, then he and the team are in big trouble. If he does well, he and the team still have a chance to salvage a good season.

what he said

[HowardRoark]

BTW, I emailed Maxi the Taxi - and no response. I fear the worst. Same with Harlan, except I haven't sent an email to his personal address yet. Even if he hates FYI, he should still come in and talk some pack.

I have been wondering the same thing about Maxi. He will be missed.

[retailguy]

Bretsky, Ziggy, GBM, Partial, Harvey, Bretsky, RG were all fun to hang out with. Madtown was a blast. Where the hell did he go?

It's not the same on the internet. In real life, people just seem to get along a lot better.

+1. I agree. completely.

[Cheesehead Craig]

...I have a real problem with posters around here that need to continually blow their own horns.

That sounds like something Skin would do if he had two fewer ribs...

You might be surprised if you met Skin. He is a prince of a guy in real life. Very hard not to like.

Oh I have no doubts of that whatsoever! The witty/crass humor hints that we'd get along great in real life. There's a lot of people here I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to meet for a couple beers (including yourself of course)

Ah, I am not that interesting. But Skin, Nutz, Bretzky, Michelle, Ziggy Superfan, Harvey and Rastak. They are amazing. Of course our lostb posters OPF and PiP and her husband as well.

Partial, well, he had/has issues, but I liked him anyway.

Madtown is a hoot in real life. A hoot!
Careful when watching games with Harvey, he gets animated. Superfan is a good egg to watch a game with too.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Careful when watching games with Harvey, he gets animated. Superfan is a good egg to watch a game with too.

Looking forward to seeing you and superfan at the Tavern at some point this year. We'll continue are Brandon Jackson argument then.

[Tarlam!]

I especially miss OPF and Pip. I so wish they'd come back.

OPF drove me back to my hotel after the game. Ziggy and I had seats next to one another. PiPs husband and I split the dinner bill, even though I had lobster. What a great couple they are.

I miss those guys. And, I miss Bretsky. Where the fuck is he? HUH?

[bobblehead]

I doubt Lavar Arrington knows much about what the Viking players are thinking. This week will be the key one. If Favre struggles against the Lions, then he and the team are in big trouble. If he does well, he and the team still have a chance to salvage a good season.

of course. What would a guy who spent time as a player going through training camps and seasons possibly know about what other players might be thinking.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Careful when watching games with Harvey, he gets animated. Superfan is a good egg to watch a game with too.

Looking forward to seeing you and superfan at the Tavern at some point this year. We'll continue are Brandon Jackson argument then.

I got the Sunday Ticket (for free) so no need to go to the Tavern. You and superfan are welcome to come on over for free beer and munchies. I live about 2 miles from the Tavern. Let me know if you're interested.

[MadScientist]

Will Bert quit before the GB game?

If the Vikings are 1-4 or even 0-5 and the Packers are 5-1 or better, will Bert just retire rather than face a likely beating at Lambeau? My guess is that he will.

[denverYooper]

Will Bert quit before the GB game?

If the Vikings are 1-4 or even 0-5 and the Packers are 5-1 or better, will Bert just retire rather than face a likely beating at Lambeau? My guess is that he will.

Especially if the Claymaker is still running wild in opponents' backfields.

[Fritz]

Will Bert quit before the GB game?

If the Vikings are 1-4 or even 0-5 and the Packers are 5-1 or better, will Bert just retire rather than face a likely beating at Lambeau? My guess is that he will.

I haven't thought specifically about the Packer/Vike game, but it has crossed my mind that if the Vikes continue to flounder, Brent might decide to hang 'em up midseason.

But the Vikes might win a bunch in a row, too.

Still, I credit Zig for being the first to point out that Brent's big fear has always been that he'd hang on too long - and maybe now he has realized that fear.

[Bossman641]

Will Bert quit before the GB game?

If the Vikings are 1-4 or even 0-5 and the Packers are 5-1 or better, will Bert just retire rather than face a likely beating at Lambeau? My guess is that he will.

I really hope not. I want him to suffer through this season :twisted:

And yes, I already realize how terrible of a person I am for saying that...

[Iron Mike]

Someone on JSO is calling Brat Fart "The Doneslinger." :P

I like that. I'm gonna use that myself.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sound-efx/09000d5d81ac0c9d/Sound-FX-Brett-Favre

[superfan]

I got the Sunday Ticket (for free) so no need to go to the Tavern. You and superfan are welcome to come on over for free beer and munchies. I live about 2 miles from the Tavern. Let me know if you're interested.

Nice score on the free Ticket. No self respecting GB fan would turn down Packer game, free beer, munchies. Just a couple questions first:

1. Do you perhaps have a well in your basement, with a bucket that can be used to pass down food, dogs, lotion, etc?

2. At any point will you refer to Harvey or I as "gimp"?

If the answer to both of these questions is "No", then I'm in. If the answer to either or both of those questions is "Yes", then I'll need some more information before deciding to come over - TV screen size, brands and quantities of beer and munchies, etc.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Cheesehead Craig = gimp
Superfan = cop
Harvey = Bruce Willis

[Tarlam!]

I wish I hadn't graduated yet. I'd love to hang out with you guys!

[MichiganPackerFan]

I got the Sunday Ticket (for free) so no need to go to the Tavern. You and superfan are welcome to come on over for free beer and munchies. I live about 2 miles from the Tavern. Let me know if you're interested.

Nice score on the free Ticket. No self respecting GB fan would turn down Packer game, free beer, munchies. Just a couple questions first:

1. Do you perhaps have a well in your basement, with a bucket that can be used to pass down food, dogs, lotion, etc?

2. At any point will you refer to Harvey or I as "gimp"?

If the answer to both of these questions is "No", then I'm in. If the answer to either or both of those questions is "Yes", then I'll need some more information before deciding to come over - TV screen size, brands and quantities of beer and munchies, etc.

Ok, I'm a little concerned here. Your answer implies that if there is a "Yes" AND a "No" it leaves a little gray area.

[HowardRoark]

Minnesota's favorite 40 year old re-tread coming from a hated rival in order to give himself one more shot to win it all:

http://media.cleveland.com/startingblocks/photo/jim-thome-homerjpg-b34cd3d50a8fbeae_large.jpg

[mraynrand]

Minnesota's favorite 40 year old re-tread coming from a hated rival in order to give himself one more shot to win it all:

http://media.cleveland.com/startingblocks/photo/jim-thome-homerjpg-b34cd3d50a8fbeae_large.jpg

I was going to stick my tongue out at you and Thome, being from Cleveland and all, but that wouldn't be fair. I'd love to see MN win the pennant, the series as often as possible. Just so long as it isn't the pimps from NY or Boston who ruined the game.

Your starting Pitchers for GAME 1 of the WORLD SERIES:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/cliff-lee-indians.jpghttp://zoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sabathia.jpg

Major League baseball sucks

[MichiganPackerFan]

...
Major League baseball sucks

Major League is awesome!

http://www.sethspeaks.net/MajorLeagueMovieBox.jpg

[Cheesehead Craig]

I got the Sunday Ticket (for free) so no need to go to the Tavern. You and superfan are welcome to come on over for free beer and munchies. I live about 2 miles from the Tavern. Let me know if you're interested.

Nice score on the free Ticket. No self respecting GB fan would turn down Packer game, free beer, munchies. Just a couple questions first:

1. Do you perhaps have a well in your basement, with a bucket that can be used to pass down food, dogs, lotion, etc?

2. At any point will you refer to Harvey or I as "gimp"?

If the answer to both of these questions is "No", then I'm in. If the answer to either or both of those questions is "Yes", then I'll need some more information before deciding to come over - TV screen size, brands and quantities of beer and munchies, etc.

No to both, although I reserve the right to call Harvey a different name at a later date.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Cheesehead Craig = gimp
Superfan = cop
Harvey = Bruce Willis
No way, I'm Samuel L Jackson.

[superfan]

Ok, I'm a little concerned here. Your answer implies that if there is a "Yes" AND a "No" it leaves a little gray area.

Weighing all the options. Free beer is a powerful trump card.

[HowardRoark]

Does anyone make a THANKSTED #4 Packer jersey yet?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Does anyone make a THANKSTED #4 Packer jersey yet?

Better yet, a THANKSTED #12 Packers jersey.

[HowardRoark]

Does anyone make a THANKSTED #4 Packer jersey yet?

Better yet, a THANKSTED #12 Packers jersey.

I think it's a money maker.

[Fritz]

Two things:

First, that's a great idea for what to do with my #4 jersey! I'm gonna put "THANKSTED" on the back instead of Favre's name. Cool!

Secondly, I wanted to commemorate the fact that for the first time since this thread was started, its popularity is flagging. It was - before this post - listed about #28 down on the list of threads as sorted by most recent response.

Could it be we are letting go of Him?

We'll never forget you, Brent!

[MJZiggy]

Two things:

First, that's a great idea for what to do with my #4 jersey! I'm gonna put "THANKSTED" on the back instead of Favre's name. Cool!

Secondly, I wanted to commemorate the fact that for the first time since this thread was started, its popularity is flagging. It was - before this post - listed about #28 down on the list of threads as sorted by most recent response.

Could it be we are letting go of Him?

We'll never forget you, Brent!

I thought it was Bert...He just let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. That's why you should never let that happen.

[Joemailman]

This thread is a force of nature. It may recede from time to time, but comes back stronger. Think of these slow times as the eye of a hurricane.

[MJZiggy]

This thread is a force of nature. It may recede from time to time, but comes back stronger. Think of these slow times as the eye of a hurricane.

After Favre retires in a couple weeks, this thread should settle down...

[RUnuts]

Two things:

First, that's a great idea for what to do with my #4 jersey! I'm gonna put "THANKSTED" on the back instead of Favre's name. Cool!

Secondly, I wanted to commemorate the fact that for the first time since this thread was started, its popularity is flagging. It was - before this post - listed about #28 down on the list of threads as sorted by most recent response.

Could it be we are letting go of Him?

We'll never forget you, Brent!

Considering he's in his 40s now maybe #4 Burp Fart might make more sense.

[DannoMac21]

Corey Williams just had the dirtiest pick on Favre. Wow.

[RashanGary]

It's shocking how bad Favre looks. That offense is one of the worst in the NFL, and that's with Adrian Peterson.


Good thing they have Favre. He'll turn Barrian from the 1,000 yard receiver he was in Chicago to the best receiver in the NFL.

[DannoMac21]

Minnesota's favorite 40 year old re-tread coming from a hated rival in order to give himself one more shot to win it all:

http://media.cleveland.com/startingblocks/photo/jim-thome-homerjpg-b34cd3d50a8fbeae_large.jpg

I was going to stick my tongue out at you and Thome, being from Cleveland and all, but that wouldn't be fair. I'd love to see MN win the pennant, the series as often as possible. Just so long as it isn't the pimps from NY or Boston who ruined the game.

Your starting Pitchers for GAME 1 of the WORLD SERIES:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/cliff-lee-indians.jpghttp://zoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sabathia.jpg

Major League baseball sucks

LOL. What?

Cliff Lee's on the Rangers...Sabathia's on the Yanks. Two teams from the AL cannot play each other in the world series. At least, that's the last I heard.

[packerbacker1234]

It's shocking how bad Favre looks. That offense is one of the worst in the NFL, and that's with Adrian Peterson.


Good thing they have Favre. He'll turn Barrian from the 1,000 yard receiver he was in Chicago to the best receiver in the NFL.

I have to say, slow QB or not, the vikings may have the worst pass protection OL in the entire NFL. It's at least debatable if it's as bad as philly.

[channtheman]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

[Scott Campbell]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

His next one ties him with last years number. Has anyone else thrown 6 yet this season?

[packerbacker1234]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.

Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

[bobblehead]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.

Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

wow....I wish I had time to repeat all the crap I read about making his teammates so much better for the last 2 and a half years.

[Pugger]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.

Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

I only saw highlights this evening and MN's O line looks pretty awful. It doesn't help that Grandpa is a statue back there. :D

[mraynrand]

Minnesota's favorite 40 year old re-tread coming from a hated rival in order to give himself one more shot to win it all:

http://media.cleveland.com/startingblocks/photo/jim-thome-homerjpg-b34cd3d50a8fbeae_large.jpg

I was going to stick my tongue out at you and Thome, being from Cleveland and all, but that wouldn't be fair. I'd love to see MN win the pennant, the series as often as possible. Just so long as it isn't the pimps from NY or Boston who ruined the game.

Your starting Pitchers for GAME 1 of the WORLD SERIES:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/cliff-lee-indians.jpghttp://zoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sabathia.jpg

Major League baseball sucks

LOL. What?

Cliff Lee's on the Rangers...Sabathia's on the Yanks. Two teams from the AL cannot play each other in the world series. At least, that's the last I heard.

Last year, Garagiola.

[mmmdk]

Sitting here watching NY Jets ball...I wonder how NY Jets will "welcome" BF back on MNF in week 5? :smk: Ich bin ein New Yorker in week 5 & I'll be rooting double up on those in Green.

[MJZiggy]

Probably about the same reception he got in GB, but perhaps a little less lusty.

[superfan]

His next one ties him with last years number. Has anyone else thrown 6 yet this season?

The lesser Manning also has 6 picks through 3 games.

If Cutler can return to 2009 form and throw 5 picks on Monday night, he'll join this elite club.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.

I remember it being a face mask and it should have gotten called, but no gripes here. It was an easy one for the refs to miss. We got screwed on some calls that game, but our defense didn't play well enough for us to deserve to win.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

The hit in the head was legit penalty. I thought the pass interference call was a bad call. Detroit also got royally screwed on a bad holding call. They had a run for about 15 yards and a 1st down to about the Vikings 15. Their OC was called for a phantom holding call because Fat Pat has a hard time staying on his feet in his old age. Instead they had to try for a 46 yard FG and missed it. Big play in the game--as the pick would have been.

[ThunderDan]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.
Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

Sorry, but that isn't the rule on penalties stopping possesion changes. Any penalty that happens before the ball changes possesion stops the turnover. So Rodgers can drop the ball and as long as he is roughed before the Cardinals have the ball in their hands, with 2 feet down or maybe more if they are in the act of going to the ground, the Packers retain possesion. Which is exactly what happened in Arizona.

[packerbacker1234]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.
Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

Sorry, but that isn't the rule on penalties stopping possesion changes. Any penalty that happens before the ball changes possesion stops the turnover. So Rodgers can drop the ball and as long as he is roughed before the Cardinals have the ball in their hands, with 2 feet down or maybe more if they are in the act of going to the ground, the Packers retain possesion. Which is exactly what happened in Arizona.

According to the referee's interpretation during the viking game yesterday, the penalty only negates a turnover if the QB had possession at the time of the penalty. Otherwise, if he does not have possession at the time of the penalty - both teams are essentially considered a defense at that point, and thus the penalty is assessed after some team gains possession.

However, if a hit in the head (or the facemask) occurs while Rodgers has possession, and then he drops the ball (or throws a pick, blah blah) that play no longer counts.

I am basing this 100% on the explanation the referee gave for overturning the fumble.

[mraynrand]

We're cutting away to FOX NFL studios, where our NFL rules guru is standing by to give us a ruling on the Favre penalty/fumble/non-turnover. You will be more confused afterwards than before, but you WILL be informed!

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OeTCW51kTQg/0.jpg

[mraynrand]

Hey, Wha Happened?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0125/pg2_g_bfavre1_576.jpg

[HarveyWallbangers]

According to the referee's interpretation during the viking game yesterday, the penalty only negates a turnover if the QB had possession at the time of the penalty. Otherwise, if he does not have possession at the time of the penalty - both teams are essentially considered a defense at that point, and thus the penalty is assessed after some team gains possession.

Is this your theory or did the ref say exactly that during the game? I don't remember that, and it wouldn't make sense because if the defense doesn't have possession, then the act of the facemask could keep the offensive player for getting possession of the ball. Otherwise, if a fumble occurs and an offensive player has inside position on the recovery, a defensive player could just grab the offensive players facemask and keep him from getting to the ball. Makes ZERO sense. I'm fairly certain that until the defense has possession, the penalty would give the offense a first down. I've never heard of both teams essentially being considered "the defense".

[MadtownPacker]

Bretsky, Ziggy, GBM, Partial, Harvey, Bretsky, RG were all fun to hang out with. Madtown was a blast. Where the hell did he go?

It's not the same on the internet. In real life, people just seem to get along a lot better.Whats up! Yeah it was fun drinking those gimlets with you and GBM. Shit gets you tore up with a quickness.

You should have met Tarlam, his drinking stamina puts all to shame.

[RashanGary]

haha. You find out quick what Wisconsin is all about. We don't mix a shot of vodka in our glass of lemonade. We mix a shot of lime juice in our glass of vodka. Those two statements are more different than they sound.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah they dont serve those around here that I know of. Too bad cuz they where one-hitter-quitter level shit. What are the ingredients so I can make myself one tonight?

[sharpe1027]

Is this your theory or did the ref say exactly that during the game? I don't remember that, and it wouldn't make sense because if the defense doesn't have possession, then the act of the facemask could keep the offensive player for getting possession of the ball. Otherwise, if a fumble occurs and an offensive player has inside position on the recovery, a defensive player could just grab the offensive players facemask and keep him from getting to the ball. Makes ZERO sense. I'm fairly certain that until the defense has possession, the penalty would give the offense a first down. I've never heard of both teams essentially being considered "the defense".

I agree. If a fumbled ball goes out of bounds, both teams are not considered equal since the offense retains possession. I would guess that the same logic applies to a penalty.

[ThunderDan]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.
Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

Sorry, but that isn't the rule on penalties stopping possesion changes. Any penalty that happens before the ball changes possesion stops the turnover. So Rodgers can drop the ball and as long as he is roughed before the Cardinals have the ball in their hands, with 2 feet down or maybe more if they are in the act of going to the ground, the Packers retain possesion. Which is exactly what happened in Arizona.

According to the referee's interpretation during the viking game yesterday, the penalty only negates a turnover if the QB had possession at the time of the penalty. Otherwise, if he does not have possession at the time of the penalty - both teams are essentially considered a defense at that point, and thus the penalty is assessed after some team gains possession.

However, if a hit in the head (or the facemask) occurs while Rodgers has possession, and then he drops the ball (or throws a pick, blah blah) that play no longer counts.

I am basing this 100% on the explanation the referee gave for overturning the fumble.

Then the ref is completely wrong and needs to look at the rules book again. The offense is deemed in possesion of the ball no matter what happens (other than kicking situations) until the defensive team has established complete control of the ball in bounds. I would cut and paste the rule but I can't find the PDF link of the NFL rule book right now.

[RashanGary]

Yeah they dont serve those around here that I know of. Too bad cuz they where one-hitter-quitter level shit. What are the ingredients so I can make myself one tonight?

Vodka and lime juice. 1.5 parts vodka, 1 part lime juice. Has to be really cold. Stir with ice and strain into your drinking glass.

You can go 2:1 for the 2nd one and it won't taste any different.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Yeah they dont serve those around here that I know of. Too bad cuz they where one-hitter-quitter level shit. What are the ingredients so I can make myself one tonight?

Vodka and lime juice. 1.5 parts vodka, 1 part lime juice. Has to be really cold. Stir with ice and strain into your drinking glass.

You can go 2:1 for the 2nd one and it won't taste any different.

Best Vodka Gimlet: Ton of ice (your drink should be on the rocks, not your rocks on the drink :wink: ) Good vodka, and just a little bit (maybe a teaspoon) of Roses lime. Saturating it with roses is really overkill

[denverYooper]

From Peter King's Factoid of the Week section: (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/09/26/Week3/3.html#ixzz10kju7ZYC)



The Green Bay Packers can thank Brett Favre for one more thing, other than a lot of memories, when they take the field tonight in Chicago.

The Packers traded Favre to the New York Jets for a conditional draft choice in 2008. The pick became the Jets' third-rounder in the 2009 draft because Favre played more than 50 percent of the snaps in the 2008 season. So when the Packers started looking for an extra pick to pair with the 41st and 73rd overall picks to send to New England for the 26th overall pick in the first round on that draft day, GM Ted Thompson reached into his trove of choices and pulled out the Favre pick -- the 83rd. He sent the three picks to New England for that first-rounder and a fifth- to get a prospect many in the league thought had some holes because of a very spotty college career. The prospect started only eight games in five years, but Thompson had a feel for him. He thought the prospect would be just what his front seven was missing. And so the deal got made, and Thompson used the ultimate headache that had been the Favre nightmare to help him get his man.

NFL sack leader Clay Matthews.


THANKSTED

[Fritz]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.

Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

wow....I wish I had time to repeat all the crap I read about making his teammates so much better for the last 2 and a half years.

I thought the call that took the interception away from Detroit was a total bs call. The contact was - I thought - within five yards, and on top of that the receiver kept running straight downfield while Favre threw the ball inside.

Had the refs realized that Favre could've faulted the receiver for that one, maybe they wouldn't have thrown the flag.

I'm amazed at the plastic nature of Favre logic. What I'm hearing now is that he CAN'T make his receivers better because his offensive line isn't giving him enough time to...

[ThunderDan]

Favre was bailed out by the refs twice today. He threw an interception that was called back and then he fumbled after he got hit in the head. Even with those, he still managed to throw 2 more interceptions.

Too bad the helmet hit didn't happen to rodgers prior to his fumble/int in OT last year. It happened after he dropped it. If it happened before, it would of negated the turnover.

Favre hasn't played well at all this year, I wont dare say he is playing well. But, that OL his one of the worst pass protection OL's I have seen this season, right there iwth the eagles. What happened? They were much better last year in protection then they have been this season. At this rate, Matthews is going have 5 sacks a game against the vikings.

wow....I wish I had time to repeat all the crap I read about making his teammates so much better for the last 2 and a half years.

I thought the call that took the interception away from Detroit was a total bs call. The contact was - I thought - within five yards, and on top of that the receiver kept running straight downfield while Favre threw the ball inside.

Had the refs realized that Favre could've faulted the receiver for that one, maybe they wouldn't have thrown the flag.

I'm amazed at the plastic nature of Favre logic. What I'm hearing now is that he CAN'T make his receivers better because his offensive line isn't giving him enough time to...

Wasn't that the knock on ARod? That Favre made the offensive line in GB better.

[mraynrand]

I'm amazed at the plastic nature of Favre logic. What I'm hearing now is that he CAN'T make his receivers better because his offensive line isn't giving him enough time to...

Not to drag FYI over here, but it's like Evolution and Manmade Global Climate Disruption: There isn't a single piece of information that can't be subsumed into the larger model. Anything that happens to the VIkings and the "Favre is Blameless" paradigm is fully adaptable.

[Pugger]

From Peter King's Factoid of the Week section: (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/09/26/Week3/3.html#ixzz10kju7ZYC)



The Green Bay Packers can thank Brett Favre for one more thing, other than a lot of memories, when they take the field tonight in Chicago.

The Packers traded Favre to the New York Jets for a conditional draft choice in 2008. The pick became the Jets' third-rounder in the 2009 draft because Favre played more than 50 percent of the snaps in the 2008 season. So when the Packers started looking for an extra pick to pair with the 41st and 73rd overall picks to send to New England for the 26th overall pick in the first round on that draft day, GM Ted Thompson reached into his trove of choices and pulled out the Favre pick -- the 83rd. He sent the three picks to New England for that first-rounder and a fifth- to get a prospect many in the league thought had some holes because of a very spotty college career. The prospect started only eight games in five years, but Thompson had a feel for him. He thought the prospect would be just what his front seven was missing. And so the deal got made, and Thompson used the ultimate headache that had been the Favre nightmare to help him get his man.

NFL sack leader Clay Matthews.


THANKSTED

:bump:

[MadtownPacker]

Vodka and lime juice. 1.5 parts vodka, 1 part lime juice. Has to be really cold. Stir with ice and strain into your drinking glass.

You can go 2:1 for the 2nd one and it won't taste any different.Thats all it was huh? Couldnt tell cuz by the time I wanted to know I was already buzzed. I will make one tonight I think. Got me a 1.75L so Im strapped and ready. I like the strength increase idea too.

[MadtownPacker]

Best Vodka Gimlet: Ton of ice (your drink should be on the rocks, not your rocks on the drink :wink: ) Good vodka, and just a little bit (maybe a teaspoon) of Roses lime. Saturating it with roses is really overkillWhat is rose lime? The ones I drank with JH seemed to have a mint taste or something besides lemon. Maybe that shit was it. How you been man?

[MadtownPacker]

I'm amazed at the plastic nature of Favre logic. What I'm hearing now is that he CAN'T make his receivers better because his offensive line isn't giving him enough time to...

Not to drag FYI over here, but it's like Evolution and Manmade Global Climate Disruption: There isn't a single piece of information that can't be subsumed into the larger model. Anything that happens to the VIkings and the "Favre is Blameless" paradigm is fully adaptable.So all you bitches are still fighting about this shit? Man, great season in the making thought you MFers would have something better to talk about. Whats up with that fucked up sig?

[Fritz]

It's the Favre thread, Mad.

[MadtownPacker]

It's the Favre thread, Mad.Cmon now, does any fucking thread at this place ever stay on topic for long? :crazy:

[mraynrand]

Whats up with that fucked up sig?

The Truth

[Fritz]

It's the Favre thread, Mad.Cmon now, does any fucking thread at this place ever stay on topic for long? :crazy:

I think this one's the only one that does. It eventually winds back around to Favre.

All links eventually lead to porn, and all threads eventually lead to Favre.

[MJZiggy]

It's the Favre thread, Mad.Cmon now, does any fucking thread at this place ever stay on topic for long? :crazy:

I think this one's the only one that does. It eventually winds back around to Favre.

All links eventually lead to porn, and all threads eventually lead to Favre. You forgot the jukebox, dear.

[gex]

From Peter King's Factoid of the Week section: (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/09/26/Week3/3.html#ixzz10kju7ZYC)



The Green Bay Packers can thank Brett Favre for one more thing, other than a lot of memories, when they take the field tonight in Chicago.

The Packers traded Favre to the New York Jets for a conditional draft choice in 2008. The pick became the Jets' third-rounder in the 2009 draft because Favre played more than 50 percent of the snaps in the 2008 season. So when the Packers started looking for an extra pick to pair with the 41st and 73rd overall picks to send to New England for the 26th overall pick in the first round on that draft day, GM Ted Thompson reached into his trove of choices and pulled out the Favre pick -- the 83rd. He sent the three picks to New England for that first-rounder and a fifth- to get a prospect many in the league thought had some holes because of a very spotty college career. The prospect started only eight games in five years, but Thompson had a feel for him. He thought the prospect would be just what his front seven was missing. And so the deal got made, and Thompson used the ultimate headache that had been the Favre nightmare to help him get his man.

NFL sack leader Clay Matthews.


THANKSTED

2nd :D

[MichiganPackerFan]

Best Vodka Gimlet: Ton of ice (your drink should be on the rocks, not your rocks on the drink :wink: ) Good vodka, and just a little bit (maybe a teaspoon) of Roses lime. Saturating it with roses is really overkillWhat is rose lime? The ones I drank with JH seemed to have a mint taste or something besides lemon. Maybe that shit was it. How you been man?

Not sure how Rose's Lime is made, but it is distinctly different than lime juice. Things are going well (outside of the MNF debacle :evil: ) Getting used to DC. It's a really cool place and I love the diversity. Tax season's almost done and then back to life!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Rose%27s_Lime_Juice.JPG/110px-Rose%27s_Lime_Juice.JPG

[woodbuck27]

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/104313168.html?elr=KArks47cQiU17cQiU47cQUU

Could Brett have remained a Jet?
Posted by Judd Zulgad
Last update: October 4, 2010 - 6:50 PM
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See LINK above for comments.

Here's an interesting story by Associated Press sportswriter Dennis Waszak Jr. from Monday in which Jets coach Rex Ryan said he might have tried to get Brett Favre to come out of retirement if things had been different.

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Rex Ryan wanted Brett Favre flinging passes as his quarterback.

The Jets coach said Monday for the first time that he would have tried to bring Favre out of retirement last year to play another season in New York if the team hadn't drafted Mark Sanchez.

" There would have been some major recruiting done," Ryan said. "I can say that absolutely. And, maybe no one knows it or whatever, but I can promise you that's how I was feeling."

Favre briefly retired after playing with New York in 2008, when he injured his shoulder down the stretch and slumped.

The Jets missed the playoffs after an 8-3 start, and it cost coach Eric Mangini his job. After Ryan was hired as coach, he hoped Favre would stick around — despite the quarterback's late-season struggles.

"You look at the body of work, he was impressive," Ryan said. "He led the team to nine wins and one game out of the playoffs. He looked like Brett Favre to me."

Instead, Favre retired, was granted his release by the Jets and eventually unretired — again — and signed with Minnesota. Meanwhile, Ryan had never previously let on that he privately wanted Favre back.

"Well, I was hoping we would be able to draft Sanchez," Ryan said. "And, we did."

Ryan said he thought Favre was sincere in his desire to retire at that point, but thought he could've persuaded him to come back for another year with the Jets. "Yeah, I do, yep," Ryan said.

"Because he would have seen how sincere I was, and the kind of passion I have. I'm not going to say it's equal to his, but maybe it is. We both want to win, I know that."

Ryan has a proven track record as a recruiter since coming to New York, taking some unorthodox tactics to try to get his players. He drove to linebacker Bart Scott's house in the middle of the night to persuade him to sign last year, and flew down to Florida last month to talk with Darrelle Revis to help the tense contract negotiations.

The Jets will see Favre for the first time since he left the organization when they play the Vikings at home next Monday night. Ryan said he "really never" talked with Favre other than the day he retired from the Jets. He said he simply told the quarterback how much he respected him.

"I think it was a tough time for him," Ryan said.

"I mean, he's basically announcing his retirement from football and I wasn't going to stay on the phone with him. He doesn't know anything about me. I was just some random guy talking to him, so I kind of felt uncomfortable. I'm sure he did also."

The Jets ended up trading up in the draft a few months later and taking Sanchez with the No. 5 overall pick last year. The rookie helped lead the Jets to the AFC championship game, while Favre had one of the best seasons of career with 33 touchdowns and only seven interceptions as the Vikings went to the NFC championship game.

"It worked out I'm sure for Brett and for the Jets," Ryan said.

"We got a guy that's going to be the quarterback here for the next 10 years probably. And Brett Favre's a great player. Last year, those statistics, I kept saying, 'That can't be right.' I mean, the guy's a once-in-a-lifetime quarterback."

Ryan also revealed for that early in the recruiting process, the Jets were most impressed with Kansas State quarterback Josh Freeman. That all changed when the team watched film and held workouts with Sanchez.
"Then it became clear," Ryan said, "that Sanchez was our guy."

Freeman ended up going to Tampa Bay with the 17th overall pick. "We're just happy in getting Mark," Ryan said, "but that is a fact that if we never got Mark, I definitely would've tried to recruit Brett Favre."

[Bossman641]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

[woodbuck27]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

[Bossman641]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

[imscott72]

Favre's plan all along was to play for the Vikings. He just had to wait a year because of the poison pill TT left for him..

[Scott Campbell]

Favre couldn't get his way with the Packers, but he eventually had his way with the Jets. And then the filthy scumbag got them fined by ratting them out on the injury report.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I fully believe he wanted to play for the Vikings all along. He bull shited the Jets into thinking he was retiring and they released him.

[woodbuck27]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

** These quotes in the body of this post ... come fr. the last game of the 2008 season Miami 24-Jets 17 post game interview.

Here's the LINK:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/Jets-Dolphins-Postgame-Interviews/49019058-79f7-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9

Holy Mackeral Andy hold on, please.

Re: Brett Favre I have always called it straight. I don't mix nuts and bolts. On whatever agenda you stand you cannot preclude the basic facts.

It's just as I reported in my last post. I will repeat it as I read the news back then and that was before the 2009 NFL draft and not long after The 2008 NFL season came to a close as best as I can re-call Favre severing his ties with ' the Jets ' organization.

Again: I recall it this way Bossman641:

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets Organization that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position. That was good on his part as then 'the Jets' could do just what Rex Ryan said they did. Target a good prospect in that upcoming draft. They did and managed to secure the QB that today is playing as well as any QB in the NFL at this point in our curent season. Mark Sanchez is playing super for the Jets at QB so Favre didn't exactly throw 'the Jets under any bus. He for his own and private reasons wanted to move his career in a different direction. His reasons his personal choice living in a democracy and of his own free will. The Jets saw no good reason to hold him back and giving how he played for them for the first eleven games of the 2008 season. Why would they? He helped take them from 4 wins in 2007 to 9 wins in 2008 and the Jets were 8-3 in their first 11 games and the injury to Favre was a big factor in the Jets missing the plaoffa and Favre blamed himself for that failure.

** On Favre's performance down the stretch for 'the Jets' in 2008…

** I know we’re ultimately judged by wins and losses. I’m well aware of that. It was a good feeling for me. I can’t thank this organization enough for that opportunity. I wish I could have held up my end of the bargain. Brett Favre

and


** Down the stretch, it wasn’t good enough. I have no excuses. I would love to sit here and tell you that it was this and it was that, but I’m not going to do that. Bottom line is it wasn’t good enough. I’m sure everyone is going to say he’s old, washed up and gray. Maybe they’re right. If I was an expert then I wouldn’t have struggled down the stretch. The only thing I know is, do I feel completely healthy? No. Did I start the season completely healthy? Probably not. In my mind, I did everything I could do and it wasn’t good enough. ... Brett Favre

For reasons that are suspect he remained at QB for ' the Jets ' in spite of that injury. There was a price paid for that. Was that decision to sustain him behind center all Favre's? Of course not.

** quotes from that Miami Vs Jets final season game and Post game interview by Jets HC Eric Mangini :

** On if Favre mentioned his shoulder was hurting…

No. Jets HC Eric Mangini

** On working with Favre during the past year…

It’s hard to hold that all up in a couple of sentences. He’s a Hall-of-Fame player. He’s got great energy. He’s a great professional. He brought all of those things to the team. I think a lot of people learned things from him. I think we’re a better team for him being here. I appreciate the relationship we had and the one he had with the team. Jets HC Eric Mangini

** More Quotes fr. Favre after that final game of the 2008 season:

** On his shoulder…

It’s been better. Favre

** On if his shoulder is sore…

You could say that. That’s been for quite awhile. We should know more tomorrow. Favre

** On if his shoulder affected his performance…

It would be easy to sit here and make excuses. I’m sure that during the course of the year that there were some throws that I know I could make, but I didn’t. Other times, I made some good throws. I hope that it was not a factor in my throws this year. We’ll know more tomorrow. Favre

** On if he is getting an MRI tomorrow…

Yes. Favre

Speculate the response on that one as you may please, but support yourself in that regard please with published facts. What would that have to do with last season ( One of, if not Favre's best ) or this season? One that's only three games short for 'the Vikings' and could get really long for Brett Favre and his team really soon, given the difficulty of their next four games? The Jets, Packers and Pats on the road and Dallas in Minny. They could be shot out of it by November. You can be in your glory Bossman641 in the event of that reality. :)

Check that out, please.

What reason would the Jets have for hanging onto Favre's rights after going to Sanchez in the draft and Favre clearly stating he had no plans to return to New York (Jets) to play in 2009.

Any decision he made to ask for his release didn't give 'the Jets' any hassel. So why do you get your Fruit of the Looms all in a bunch? Your just a fan. Brett Favre is a professional athlete and a QB with as Rex Ryan says . An awesome resume and a fine body of work. As a person and as a professional football player. Shouldn't he ask for his release and play where he wanted to? In the world of professional sports was his decision and desires so strange or unethical?

No way.

It's high time those of you that find difficulty with Brett Favre as a Viking get set to possibly enjoy seeing him and his new team. Finally pumelled by ' the Green Bay Packers' and hope for that. Let go of the ' little boy tantrums ' of all the morality and ethical or not bullshit. The Green Bay Packers let go of Favre and Favre moved on eventually we saw both sides get to right.

Some Packer fans want to beat on Favre forever and all I know is that a final decision was made to go with a new QB in Green Bay and Favre was dealt to 'the Jets. End of story.

** More quotes fr. that same post game interview:

** On if he is undecided about playing next year…

I am. The obvious choice would be a quick decision based on what happened. It’s a hasty, irrational decision based on what’s happened. I’ll go home and get away for a week or so, we haven’t really talked about it , and make the right decision. Favre

** On if he will make the decision before the Pro Bowl…

I don’t know. I’ll talk with Mike [Tannenbaum], Eric [Mangini] and Woody [Johnson] about it, but I don’t know. Favre

** On his relationship with head coach Eric Mangini…

I had a lot of fun with Eric. I really respect him, his staff and the work ethic that he brings on the field. Guys practice every day. I really enjoyed that. There wasn’t anything that I didn’t enjoy about it. I just wish we could have gone a little further. Favre

** On what he will consider in terms of deciding to return for another year…

First and foremost, physically is something that I have to pay attention to. If I don’t feel right — I’m 39-years old. That would be the first thing. Then we’ll go from there. Favre

** On if he is happy he returned for another season…

There is only one team that ends on a high note. This is not a high note, but I consider this season, when I look back at it, whether I play or not, I’m glad that I made this decision to come here and play. I knew the odds were against us. I knew the expectations were high, but I consider that a huge challenge. One game, one season — I’m not going to hang my head. I can sit here until I’m blue in the face and say how I expected us to go on and how disappointed I am. I know that every guy in that room is, but it is what it is. I wouldn’t trade it for anything. It was a lot of fun. It was tough, but that’s what it was all about. Favre


** On if the season has been fun for him…

When you lose, no. I love to compete. I hope that every guy in that locker room, if you talk to each and every one of them, they would say that they enjoyed playing with me. There is way more to this game than statistics. I can say that because I have all the good ones and all the bad ones. The memories that you make in the locker room, the bustrips and the planerides, practices, they can’t keep stats for that. Those guys in the locker room will tell you I had a lot of fun and hopefully was a lot of fun to play with. Unfortunately we didn’t get it done, but I wouldn’t trade it for anything. Favre

** On if there is a moment from this season that makes him glad he came back…

The Tennessee and the New England game were huge games for us. I look back at this season and it was quick, it was a whirlwind. There were highs and lows. As I thought about it this week, knowing it could be our last week, I’m glad I came. There are high expectations, which is fine. It didn’t work out. That’s disappointing. This team is a good team and we’ll continue to get better. I can think of practices, meetings and games — it was all worth it. Favre

** On what he learned from the off-season last year…

I do know this: You never know. We’ve all made decisions at one point or another in our life and thought it was a done deal. It’s funny how your mind wanders off, changes and argues with yourself. You never know. There are obviously a lot of reasons for what went on last off-season.

We’re all to blame, the parties that were involved.

We’ve both moved on. Once again, I’m glad I came. It was not the 17 years in Green Bay. I really like a lot of these guys and the opportunities that were presented for me. Favre

** On if he will do anything differently this off-season…

I have no idea. I don’t know. Favre

** On if he can picture himself playing with another team next season…

[Laughs] No, but then again I couldn’t see myself playing with the Jets last year. Through this process that took place last off-season, the one thing about Mike, Woody and Eric — I felt like I was wanted again.
They went all out. That was a good feeling. Favre

The last time I checked the NFL is a professional Football League and Favre is a certain Icon still in that league. Why behave so petty and disregard the facts.

Brett Favre is a pro athlete and certainly has demonstrated the exceptional skills that makes him desirable at QB for any team serious about contending. Untill it turns around to something else why not consider getting over yourself and enjoying the drama of the competion as it unfolds as we prepare to supplant the Vikings as NFCN Champs?

Does Favre, with ' the Vikings ' scare you man? I hope not.

We're dealing just with Pro Sports and a Pro athlete. Not some perverted or otherwise psychotic assaulting someone you love. or ... Some fella invading your home and stealing your Green Bay Packer player card collection or your favourite Packer jersey. Favre didn't get in a hit and run with your redest truck or come over for a brew and drink the whole cooler full while you visited the 7-11 for nachos and salsa.

Come on man. Get a grip on yourself.

If not then let go of all the lousy small minded incrimminations of Brett Favre stay inside and wait to cel e brate two wins over his Vikings this season.

and I ask you again Bossman641.

Does Brett Favre wearing ' purple and gold ' scare you so bad that you have to constantly undress all he's ever accomplished? Arrange his personal affairs to get the knots out of your nose that spites your face.

Take the glory as it may come when we take down some Viking ass, in just a few short weeks time. Get off the small minded small mwn's bandwagon that wants to piss all over a great Green Bay Packer Legend.

Bossman641 and anyone else on this forum that opposes me and my position RE: Brett Favre and my God given right to see more than Packer football yet love the Green Bay Packers Organization.

All of you. Please ... Smarten up. Grow up.

Lean another way and place your energies in a direction that will better secure a Packer victory in terms of right karma or pay the damn price as the Vikings walk all over our team again this season. Their QB is still last time I checked.

Mr.Brett Favre.

If that fact means dick all to you Bossman641 (or any of you people that sadly and pathetically hate Favre and post here at Packerrats). Your in need of a wake up call. Defeating that Vikings team with Brett Favre behind center will be nothing but a well executed chore by our coaching staff and a real deterrmination to win on behalf of all the players that coaching staff can field. Packer Nation hating Brett Favre only fires up Brett Favre and 'the Vikings. TRUST THAT. It's the Law of the Universe people.


It's the Law of Good Vs Bad Karma. Is hatred a good thing anytime in any circumstance? You be the judge of yourselves in terms of that queestion.

Good things come from good not ugly. PLEASE ... Smarten up !! :D

I don't mean to be harsh, but for the sake of all that's sanctimonious please get on the good karma bandwagon. We need all of that that we can muster.

Please stop the fruitless ridicule and suppositions that mean ZERO when it comes down to the Green Bay Packers Vs Favre and the Vikings. It's all about winning those matchups and hopefully supplanting 'the Vikings" at the top of the NFCN. That has nothing to do with the fact that Favre was and will remain a Green Bay Packer great and an all time NFL great. It's all about the drama Packer fans. All about the competition and bad feelings about Favre did or didn't do this should be put to the side as today they are based in the most part on bias and pregudice and over emotions and bad feelings and anything else bad that are all really moot.

It's really here (and again):

** On what he learned from the off-season last year…

I do know this: You never know.

We’ve all made decisions at one point or another in our life and thought it was a done deal. It’s funny how your mind wanders off, changes and argues with yourself. You never know. There are obviously a lot of reasons for what went on last off-season. We’re all to blame, the parties that were involved. We’ve both moved on.

Once again, I’m glad I came.

It was not the 17 years in Green Bay. I really like a lot of these guys and the opportunities that were presented for me. Favre



GO PACK GO!

[Freak Out]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

DAYUM Bossman! Post a full size shot of your Avatar please.

[Bossman641]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

Woodbuck, I am simply asking your opinion. You know how I feel about Favre and I know how you feel.

When Favre retired from the Jets and told them not to count on him playing, why do you think he then asked for his release? Notice, I am talking about the first time he asked, before the draft and before Sanchez was on the team. What reason would he have to ask for his release when retired? In my mind, it was all an act. Try to get his release, back the Jets into a corner and basically force them to grab a QB knowing that he could then get his release after the fact.

What is your take on the situation?

[woodbuck27]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

Woodbuck, I am simply asking your opinion. You know how I feel about Favre and I know how you feel.

When Favre retired from the Jets and told them not to count on him playing, why do you think he then asked for his release? Notice, I am talking about the first time he asked, before the draft and before Sanchez was on the team. What reason would he have to ask for his release when retired? In my mind, it was all an act. Try to get his release, back the Jets into a corner and basically force them to grab a QB knowing that he could then get his release after the fact.

What is your take on the situation?

Can that girl play running back Bossman641? :lol: Wheeuu !!

I am not a psychic.

Maybe Brett Favre wanted his release when he did to line up a QB job with the Minnesota Vikings? That certainly wasn't my guess as he gave that caution to ' the Jets ' prior to their final draft preperations Bossman641.

If there is an NFL fan that enjoys Favre still playing and trying to win in the NFL more than I do. He's (she's) certainly been bless'd as an NFL fan to enjoy Favre's accomplishments as a football player. I certainly presumed that after the 2008 season with ' the Jets ', that I saw the last of Favre in the NFL.

The fact he unretired again in 2009 and is just playing pleases me. How some people incrimminate him or make him out to be some sort of immoral person over his desires to go to and win another Super Bowl. Is just sad in my opinion and respect for Brett Favre. I respect the fact we have a difference of opinion on Favre but he's a very decent person overall and one hell of a competitor in the Pro sports arena.

I will not change in that position Re: Favre no matter how anyone here might desire to ridicule or otherwise judge me. Brett Favre is my ' all time ' favourite Pro athlete and noone on this planet can take that away from me.

GO PACK GO!

[Bossman641]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

DAYUM Bossman! Post a full size shot of your Avatar please.

Here's the link

http://www.thesmokingjacket.com/girls/hail-mary-jaime-edmondson-models-football-fashions-for-women

[woodbuck27]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

DAYUM Bossman! Post a full size shot of your Avatar please.

Here's the link

http://www.thesmokingjacket.com/girls/hail-mary-jaime-edmondson-models-football-fashions-for-women

Then ... can you hate this picture Bossman641?

http://www.thesmokingjacket.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ON1002312_1705.jpg

I can't. :)

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Bossman641:

This LINK is just one account of the record on Brett Favre before he was forced ' by whatever ' circumstances, to depart the team that he always maintained that he owed so much to and loved and we love and fully continue to support.

I've been a dedicated Packer fan before you were thought of man. I will always love ' the Green Bay Packers ', and remain all of just that inspite of anything any member of Packerrats may maintain about me, that's to the contrary and would be in error:

Just try to read this article Bossman641 with an open mind. It may somehow alter your opinion of Brett Favre and his accomplishments and continued dedication to the sport he loves? He's simply, and in my humble opinion, 'a real beauty as a Pro athlete'. The man is also 'just human' and therefore isn't perfect.

I don't expect that all Packerrats will agree with me but ' in me ' it's too obvious why I admire his dedication to football as an active competitor inspite of any hardship and injury he's suffered and worked through to maintain an awesome record as an Iron Man of incredible respect in all of Pro sports.

Since he left the Packers that man has won 23 more games as his teams starting QB and started 35 more games excluding post season play. He had an enormous season last year with our arch rivals 'the Minnesots Vikings'. Passing for 33 TD's and over 42000 tards with only 7 picks. He won 13 regular season games as ' the Vikings ' starter at QB.

In 2008 he as a New York Jet led that team out of the cellar or 4 wins in 2007 to an 8 and 3 record before he was hurt. The Jets stuck with hin inspite of his injured arm as they obviously felt he gave them the best chance to win as their QB. That move back fired on the Jets but Favre gave his best as he generally has.

Her's 'the article that highlights his career as a Green Bay Packer and attempts to inform the reader of Brett Favre 'the Man he is'.

I hope that you can find some peace and enjoyment reading this Bossman641. :)

Packers and Falcons Stat's:

http://armchairgm.wikia.com/Brett_Favre

Complete NFL Stat's for Brett Favre (includes games as a Jet and Viking to date) :

http://www.nfl.com/players/brettfavre/profile?id=FAV540222

Brett Favre's next TD will be his 500th in regular season play and his 58th TD since he departed the Green Bay Packers in possibly his 36th start with the Jets and Vikings combined.

I expect that you'll see that TD next week on MNF when the Jets host 'the Vikings', and if you can catch that game Bossman641. :D

My name is Ed. woodbuck27

GO PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

.............

Maybe Ryan wanted Favre back but Favre didn't want back. He retired, asked for his release "just because" and was rebuffed, then asked again and was granted after the Jets drafted Sanchez out of necessity.

Nope!

Favre gave a clear signal to the NY Jets that they shouldn't count on him playing another season with them and should move forward at the QB position.

Why, after he retired, did he ask for his release? Please explain. I know it is impossible for you to find any fault with Favre, but please give me one reason why he would have asked for his release.

Woodbuck, I am simply asking your opinion. You know how I feel about Favre and I know how you feel.

When Favre retired from the Jets and told them not to count on him playing, why do you think he then asked for his release? Notice, I am talking about the first time he asked, before the draft and before Sanchez was on the team. What reason would he have to ask for his release when retired? In my mind, it was all an act. Try to get his release, back the Jets into a corner and basically force them to grab a QB knowing that he could then get his release after the fact.

What is your take on the situation?

and again it's this:

Rex Ryan says he would have tried to bring Brett Favre out of retirement last year to play another season in New York if the team hadn't drafted Mark Sanchez.

Here again is the LINK:

Ryan: Jets would have pursued Favre if Sanchez wasn't drafted

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b10ab8/article/ryan-jets-would-have-pursued-favre-if-sanchez-wasnt-drafted?module=HP_headlines

GO PACK GO!

[Bossman641]

Right, Ryan would have taken Favre back if they hadn't drafted Sanchez. My feeling is that Favre played a game, just like he has for the past 4-5 years. He wanted out so he could go to the Vikings. That's why he asked for his release after retiring. Once the Jets drafted Sanchez they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Those are the kind of actions that make me not like Favre. I know all about his stats and history. I also know about his actions. To me, he comes across as a self-serving jerk who has been coddled and only cares about himself. You are willing to overlook those flaws because you enjoy watching him play. Understandable, just not the road I choose to take.

[mraynrand]

Does Favre with ' the Vikings ' scare you man? I hope not. We're dealing just with Pro Sports. Not some perverted or otherwise psychotic assaulting someone you love. or ... Some fella invading your home and stealing your Green Bay Packer player card collection or your favourite Packer jersey. Favre bdidn't get in a hit and run with your redest truck or come over for a brew and drink the whole cooler full while you visited the 7-11 for nachos and salsa.

This is good stuff. Since Favre didn't assault me, invade my home, steal my stuff, or commit a hit-and-run, I should 'enjoy the ride.'

Well, yes, Mr. Woodbuck, it is very good that Mr. Favre isn't a homicidal maniac, and that being so, I will now look past all the garbage that took place that got him to my most hated sports rival (Again, to assuage your fluttering heart, I mean 'hated' only in the sports competition sense, not 'hated' in the sense that I will perverted or otherwise psychotic assault someone Favre loves) and kick back and enjoy the competition. Ahh, the drama of the NFL! The jolly good nature of high-minded, spirited, collegial competition! Funny stuff for a Tuesday morn, Woodbuck!

THANKSWOODBUCK

[pbmax]

Am I the only person who sees no contradiction between Bossman's account and Woodbuck's? Favre did not want to play for the Jets and wanted to play for the Vikings.

He told the Jets to plan to be without him. He asked for his release twice. The second time, after Sanchez was drafted, he was granted his wish. He signed with the Vikings. What possible confusion is there?

[Zool]

He also specifically said he signed with the Vikes out of spite. His own words.

[mraynrand]

Am I the only person who sees no contradiction between Bossman's account and Woodbuck's? Favre did not want to play for the Jets and wanted to play for the Vikings.

He told the Jets to plan to be without him. He asked for his release twice. The second time, after Sanchez was drafted, he was granted his wish. He signed with the Vikings. What possible confusion is there?

just a wild guess: http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/images/avatars/20187442da6ca93514.gif

[Scott Campbell]

Right, Ryan would have taken Favre back if they hadn't drafted Sanchez. My feeling is that Favre played a game, just like he has for the past 4-5 years. He wanted out so he could go to the Vikings. That's why he asked for his release after retiring. Once the Jets drafted Sanchez they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Those are the kind of actions that make me not like Favre. I know all about his stats and history. I also know about his actions. To me, he comes across as a self-serving jerk who has been coddled and only cares about himself. You are willing to overlook those flaws because you enjoy watching him play. Understandable, just not the road I choose to take.


The Jets drafted Sanchez because Bert made them. The Jets released Bert because he made them. The Jets paid a $250K fine because Bert's an asshole.

[packerbacker1234]

Right, Ryan would have taken Favre back if they hadn't drafted Sanchez. My feeling is that Favre played a game, just like he has for the past 4-5 years. He wanted out so he could go to the Vikings. That's why he asked for his release after retiring. Once the Jets drafted Sanchez they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Those are the kind of actions that make me not like Favre. I know all about his stats and history. I also know about his actions. To me, he comes across as a self-serving jerk who has been coddled and only cares about himself. You are willing to overlook those flaws because you enjoy watching him play. Understandable, just not the road I choose to take.


The Jets drafted Sanchez because Bert made them. The Jets released Bert because he made them. The Jets paid a $250K fine because Bert's an asshole.

Well, the jets we're transitioning and at the time, Favre's golden arm was toast. He couldn't throw the ball more than 15 yards, the zip was gone, and there was no guarentee of recovery.

I'm nit saying he didn't want ot be released so he could have the CHANCE to play for the vikings, but I will say his "small retirement" had good reasons. The guy LOST HIS ARM essentially. Without that, he can't play.

I also wouldn't doubt Rex Ryan, who wasn't really part of the previous era. IF they were unable to trade up and get their guy, he may have very well persued brett if his arm was coming along. Afterall, Brett was pretty solid for them when they got to 8-3 before the tear progressed to a point where throwing the ball became difficult. With rex in there with that run game last year and defense, a healthy favre would of clearly been better than sanchez.

But they did get their guy, so it's a moot point. I believe Rex simply because, well, he had very little to do with favre leaving, and as he has shown, he has a very good reputation with his players and knows how to talk to them. He seems to always get what he wants in personell because of his player coach relationship.

[Scott Campbell]

Am I the only person who sees no contradiction between Bossman's account and Woodbuck's? Favre did not want to play for the Jets and wanted to play for the Vikings.

He told the Jets to plan to be without him. He asked for his release twice. The second time, after Sanchez was drafted, he was granted his wish. He signed with the Vikings. What possible confusion is there?


Age related confusion.

[packerbacker1234]

I also find it slightly humerous that the jets coaching leaving his team to go confront Revis and stop the silly holdout was viewed as okay, but when a few players from the vikings ask to essentially do the same thing, Brett has a ego problem.

Heh, it's the same philosophy to get players to come back and stop with the BS, just approached from two different sides.

Childress isn't even respected by his team, so sending him again wasn't going to make a difference.

[Scott Campbell]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2010/seasontype/2



If you look way, way down at the bottom of the page.............keep going...........no.....keep going further down.............THERE HE IS - Bert the scumbag Favre with a passer rating of 60.4. The good news is that he's still ahead of Jimmy Clausen and Derek Anderson, and hot on the heels of Alex Smith and Shawn Hill. He'll always be number 28 in my book.

[Pugger]

Am I the only person who sees no contradiction between Bossman's account and Woodbuck's? Favre did not want to play for the Jets and wanted to play for the Vikings.

He told the Jets to plan to be without him. He asked for his release twice. The second time, after Sanchez was drafted, he was granted his wish. He signed with the Vikings. What possible confusion is there?

There is no confusion except Favre played the retirement card TWICE to get out of his contract and make himself a FA so he could play for the team he wanted to play for. It finally worked with NY. Favre told the Jets he was 'retired' but then asked for his release. RETIRED PLAYERS DO NOT NEED TO ASK FOR THEIR RELEASE so Favre lied when he said he was retiring from GB and NY. I remember him saying in so many words after he was asked if he would ever play again for another team that he couldn't do that to the Jets' ownership after they had been so wonderful to him and his family. He wasn't completely up front with NY here either, was he?

[Pugger]

I also find it slightly humerous that the jets coaching leaving his team to go confront Revis and stop the silly holdout was viewed as okay, but when a few players from the vikings ask to essentially do the same thing, Brett has a ego problem.

Heh, it's the same philosophy to get players to come back and stop with the BS, just approached from two different sides.

Childress isn't even respected by his team, so sending him again wasn't going to make a difference.

Favre wasn't holding out. He was contemplating retirement, big difference between #4's situation and Revis'.

[mraynrand]

Right, Ryan would have taken Favre back if they hadn't drafted Sanchez. My feeling is that Favre played a game, just like he has for the past 4-5 years. He wanted out so he could go to the Vikings. That's why he asked for his release after retiring. Once the Jets drafted Sanchez they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Those are the kind of actions that make me not like Favre. I know all about his stats and history. I also know about his actions. To me, he comes across as a self-serving jerk who has been coddled and only cares about himself. You are willing to overlook those flaws because you enjoy watching him play. Understandable, just not the road I choose to take.


The Jets drafted Sanchez because Bert made them. The Jets released Bert because he made them. The Jets paid a $250K fine because Bert's an asshole.

Did Favre actually have shoulder surgery? Let's see the scar!

[Scott Campbell]

I also find it slightly humerous that the jets coaching leaving his team to go confront Revis and stop the silly holdout was viewed as okay, but when a few players from the vikings ask to essentially do the same thing, Brett has a ego problem.

Heh, it's the same philosophy to get players to come back and stop with the BS, just approached from two different sides.

Childress isn't even respected by his team, so sending him again wasn't going to make a difference.

Favre wasn't holding out. He was contemplating retirement, big difference between #4's situation and Revis'.


Revis held out over money - happens all the time.

Bert held out just because he's an asshole.

[pbmax]

Am I the only person who sees no contradiction between Bossman's account and Woodbuck's? Favre did not want to play for the Jets and wanted to play for the Vikings.

He told the Jets to plan to be without him. He asked for his release twice. The second time, after Sanchez was drafted, he was granted his wish. He signed with the Vikings. What possible confusion is there?


Age related confusion.
Its getting worse too, because just this past Sunday I thought I saw the 4 minute drill work to perfection.

[Bossman641]

Am I the only person who sees no contradiction between Bossman's account and Woodbuck's? Favre did not want to play for the Jets and wanted to play for the Vikings.

He told the Jets to plan to be without him. He asked for his release twice. The second time, after Sanchez was drafted, he was granted his wish. He signed with the Vikings. What possible confusion is there?

No confusion. My point simply was that even if Ryan did want Favre back Favre didn't appear to want back.

[packerbacker1234]

I also find it slightly humerous that the jets coaching leaving his team to go confront Revis and stop the silly holdout was viewed as okay, but when a few players from the vikings ask to essentially do the same thing, Brett has a ego problem.

Heh, it's the same philosophy to get players to come back and stop with the BS, just approached from two different sides.

Childress isn't even respected by his team, so sending him again wasn't going to make a difference.

Favre wasn't holding out. He was contemplating retirement, big difference between #4's situation and Revis'.


Revis held out over money - happens all the time.

Bert held out just because he's an asshole.

I wouldn't call "not wanting to practice" being an asshole move - the man is 40+ and has to have ankle injections just to play. Honestly, It was prolly a good move for his body to not be practicing during TC.

Just saying, he held out so he wouldn't have to practice. Not really an asshole move - the asshole move... sounds like a smart move to me. He KNEW the vikings would let him do it, so why not?

[ThunderDan]

I also find it slightly humerous that the jets coaching leaving his team to go confront Revis and stop the silly holdout was viewed as okay, but when a few players from the vikings ask to essentially do the same thing, Brett has a ego problem.

Heh, it's the same philosophy to get players to come back and stop with the BS, just approached from two different sides.

Childress isn't even respected by his team, so sending him again wasn't going to make a difference.

Favre wasn't holding out. He was contemplating retirement, big difference between #4's situation and Revis'.


Revis held out over money - happens all the time.

Bert held out just because he's an asshole.

I wouldn't call "not wanting to practice" being an asshole move - the man is 40+ and has to have ankle injections just to play. Honestly, It was prolly a good move for his body to not be practicing during TC.

Just saying, he held out so he wouldn't have to practice. Not really an asshole move - the asshole move... sounds like a smart move to me. He KNEW the vikings would let him do it, so why not?

Because football is a team game! That took all of 2 seconds to think of.

[packerbacker1234]

I also find it slightly humerous that the jets coaching leaving his team to go confront Revis and stop the silly holdout was viewed as okay, but when a few players from the vikings ask to essentially do the same thing, Brett has a ego problem.

Heh, it's the same philosophy to get players to come back and stop with the BS, just approached from two different sides.

Childress isn't even respected by his team, so sending him again wasn't going to make a difference.

Favre wasn't holding out. He was contemplating retirement, big difference between #4's situation and Revis'.


Revis held out over money - happens all the time.

Bert held out just because he's an asshole.

I wouldn't call "not wanting to practice" being an asshole move - the man is 40+ and has to have ankle injections just to play. Honestly, It was prolly a good move for his body to not be practicing during TC.

Just saying, he held out so he wouldn't have to practice. Not really an asshole move - the asshole move... sounds like a smart move to me. He KNEW the vikings would let him do it, so why not?

Because football is a team game! That took all of 2 seconds to think of.

Yes it is a team game, and if their is a chance of aggrevating an ankle that is already practically bone on bone that could prevent you from missing time in the regular season, is their a point, as a team player, to be risking that when you know the coaching staff, orginzation, and every teammate but Jackson is going to be okay with you taking as much time off as you need?

Not really sure "it's a team game" is a valid argument for Favre missing time - if anything, the TEAM is okay with it, they would of continued to be okay with it as long as #4 had said he was coming back all along. It was only the 'not knowing' part that was frustrating to his teammates, not the actual time he took off. THey repeatedly said in interview after interview that everyone was cool with Favre not showing up until a similar time period like last year, most citing his accomplishments, his age, the beating he took against the saints, and the stellar performance he gave this team last year and being big signs that Favre can take all the time off he needs in order to be able to perform for the TEAM.

I didn't watch the situation that closely, this is just based on ESPN force feeding every viking comment down our throats all summer.

[ThunderDan]

Because football is a team game! That took all of 2 seconds to think of.

Yes it is a team game, and if their is a chance of aggrevating an ankle that is already practically bone on bone that could prevent you from missing time in the regular season, is their a point, as a team player, to be risking that when you know the coaching staff, orginzation, and every teammate but Jackson is going to be okay with you taking as much time off as you need?

Not really sure "it's a team game" is a valid argument for Favre missing time - if anything, the TEAM is okay with it, they would of continued to be okay with it as long as #4 had said he was coming back all along. It was only the 'not knowing' part that was frustrating to his teammates, not the actual time he took off. THey repeatedly said in interview after interview that everyone was cool with Favre not showing up until a similar time period like last year, most citing his accomplishments, his age, the beating he took against the saints, and the stellar performance he gave this team last year and being big signs that Favre can take all the time off he needs in order to be able to perform for the TEAM.

I didn't watch the situation that closely, this is just based on ESPN force feeding every viking comment down our throats all summer.

Dude.... Favre could show up in Minnesota and do his rehab there. Instead of throwing to high school players he could throw to his WR. No one said he had to be a 100% participant in every drill. Sit on the sidelines and watch. Help with film break down. Be a TEAM PLAYER!

Fuck I cracked my ribs my senior year in football and could have never shown up again. I wasn't practicing, I was never playing again, I was rehabbing. Yet I was at every practice and game that fall; standing on the sidelines cheering the team on. Why?? Becasue it's a TEAM SPORT!!

If you don't get it and want to give BF a pass I will never be able to change your mind.

[packerbacker1234]

Because football is a team game! That took all of 2 seconds to think of.

Yes it is a team game, and if their is a chance of aggrevating an ankle that is already practically bone on bone that could prevent you from missing time in the regular season, is their a point, as a team player, to be risking that when you know the coaching staff, orginzation, and every teammate but Jackson is going to be okay with you taking as much time off as you need?

Not really sure "it's a team game" is a valid argument for Favre missing time - if anything, the TEAM is okay with it, they would of continued to be okay with it as long as #4 had said he was coming back all along. It was only the 'not knowing' part that was frustrating to his teammates, not the actual time he took off. THey repeatedly said in interview after interview that everyone was cool with Favre not showing up until a similar time period like last year, most citing his accomplishments, his age, the beating he took against the saints, and the stellar performance he gave this team last year and being big signs that Favre can take all the time off he needs in order to be able to perform for the TEAM.

I didn't watch the situation that closely, this is just based on ESPN force feeding every viking comment down our throats all summer.

Dude.... Favre could show up in Minnesota and do his rehab there. Instead of throwing to high school players he could throw to his WR. No one said he had to be a 100% participant in every drill. Sit on the sidelines and watch. Help with film break down. Be a TEAM PLAYER!

Fuck I cracked my ribs my senior year in football and could have never shown up again. I wasn't practicing, I was never playing again, I was rehabbing. Yet I was at every practice and game that fall; standing on the sidelines cheering the team on. Why?? Becasue it's a TEAM SPORT!!

If you don't get it and want to give BF a pass I will never be able to change your mind.

Yeah, but one thing you have to always be weary of is the mental aspect of the game, and distancing yourself from that for as long as you. In the past, Brett has stated that the mental aspect is hard on you, and as a QB... I can completely understand.

Could he be throwing to teammates verse HS students? Sure, and but he has nothing to worry about mentaly, which is something I don't think was talked about enough.

QB's have to be very intellegent people to be successful, and when he get sback into breaking down film and concentrating on actual plays, even if limited or rehabbing, can be a big mental toll verse being in your comfort zone, sleeping in your OWN bed every night, throwing to kids without any expectations (which is obviously a great experience for those kids).

[ThunderDan]

Yeah, but one thing you have to always be weary of is the mental aspect of the game, and distancing yourself from that for as long as you. In the past, Brett has stated that the mental aspect is hard on you, and as a QB... I can completely understand.

Could he be throwing to teammates verse HS students? Sure, and but he has nothing to worry about mentaly, which is something I don't think was talked about enough.

QB's have to be very intellegent people to be successful, and when he get sback into breaking down film and concentrating on actual plays, even if limited or rehabbing, can be a big mental toll verse being in your comfort zone, sleeping in your OWN bed every night, throwing to kids without any expectations (which is obviously a great experience for those kids).

What a joke!!!! For $16,000,000 a year I would expect said person to be able to deal with the pressure and stress. I am sure his condo in MN is just as damn nice as his home in MS. If he can't deal will an extra 7 weeks of "Mental Toll" maybe he shouldn't be in the NFL anymore.

And riding a bike to practice is a great experience for kids also.

[MOBB DEEP]

Moss will resurrect favres career

favre SUCKED last season

[pbmax]

Moss will resurrect favres career

favre SUCKED last season
Put that back into Google translator MOOB, the second sentence came out wrong. :D

[Iron Mike]

Bert held out just because he's an asshole.

I think he was actually working on hooking up with Jenn Sterger.....

http://deadspin.com/5657512/did-a-jets-pr-person-act-as-liaison-between-brett-favre-and-jenn-sterger?skyline=true&s=i

[packerbacker1234]

Yeah, but one thing you have to always be weary of is the mental aspect of the game, and distancing yourself from that for as long as you. In the past, Brett has stated that the mental aspect is hard on you, and as a QB... I can completely understand.

Could he be throwing to teammates verse HS students? Sure, and but he has nothing to worry about mentaly, which is something I don't think was talked about enough.

QB's have to be very intellegent people to be successful, and when he get sback into breaking down film and concentrating on actual plays, even if limited or rehabbing, can be a big mental toll verse being in your comfort zone, sleeping in your OWN bed every night, throwing to kids without any expectations (which is obviously a great experience for those kids).

What a joke!!!! For $16,000,000 a year I would expect said person to be able to deal with the pressure and stress. I am sure his condo in MN is just as damn nice as his home in MS. If he can't deal will an extra 7 weeks of "Mental Toll" maybe he shouldn't be in the NFL anymore.

And riding a bike to practice is a great experience for kids also.

A joke? How much money you make does not determine what a person is or does. 16 mil sounds like A PISS LOAD to us fans, but he's in a sport where his particular position is payed A LOT of money to show up 1 day a week and dominate. Yes there is work between and 7 extra weeks of "mental stress" to us seems like "dude your paid to deal with that stress", but bottom line is he is payed to make minnesota a winner every sunday. He does that, and that is where the money is earned, not in TC, of which he missed last year in route to having the best regular season of his entire career.

He was the regular season MVP last year, ther eis no doubt in my mind about it.

I am not in the NFL, I don't know how things work, but in talking about a profession where everyone is making millions, and a position that is often double digit millions, to say "7 week mental toll is part of the deal" is ridiculous. You get payed to perform. He hasn't been earning that check yet this year, but he has 13 more games to go to prove he was worth it.

Favre did what he did because he knew the vikings would let him. Bottom line. I will not hate on favre for taking advantage of a situation where he knew his teammates and coaching staff were fine with it.

To us, maybe it seems a bit weird (imagine if AR said fuck TC), but to a team who has never had a QB perform the way favre did last year pretty much in the history of their franchise? Yeah, favre will be allowed to do what he wants.

[ThunderDan]

To us, maybe it seems a bit weird (imagine if AR said fuck TC), but to a team who has never had a QB perform the way favre did last year pretty much in the history of their franchise? Yeah, favre will be allowed to do what he wants.

Hmmm.... stop making shit up!!

Culpepper 2004 69.2% 4,717y 39td 11int 110.9 rating
Favre 2009 68.4% 4,202y 33td 7int 107.2 rating

That's five years ago that Minnesota has never had a QB perform the way BF did in 2009 for the history of their franchise. Must be nice to never in your history every 5 years.

[MJZiggy]

A joke? How much money you make does not determine what a person is or does. 16 mil sounds like A PISS LOAD to us fans, but he's in a sport where his particular position is payed A LOT of money to show up 1 day a week and dominate. Yes there is work between and 7 extra weeks of "mental stress" to us seems like "dude your paid to deal with that stress", but bottom line is he is payed to make minnesota a winner every sunday. He does that, and that is where the money is earned, not in TC, of which he missed last year in route to having the best regular season of his entire career.

He was the regular season MVP last year, ther eis no doubt in my mind about it.

I am not in the NFL, I don't know how things work, but in talking about a profession where everyone is making millions, and a position that is often double digit millions, to say "7 week mental toll is part of the deal" is ridiculous. You get payed to perform. He hasn't been earning that check yet this year, but he has 13 more games to go to prove he was worth it.

Favre did what he did because he knew the vikings would let him. Bottom line. I will not hate on favre for taking advantage of a situation where he knew his teammates and coaching staff were fine with it.

To us, maybe it seems a bit weird (imagine if AR said fuck TC), but to a team who has never had a QB perform the way favre did last year pretty much in the history of their franchise? Yeah, favre will be allowed to do what he wants.

Sort of. You see, I think that they are paid a buttload of money to LEAD their team--hence the term "field general." They are not paid to show up one day a week and dominate. They lead the team all week. They are usually the face of their franchises, the media darlings and the ones who need to set the example and the tone for the year.

Favre wasn't there last year because he wasn't part of the team yet. If the coach and players are fine with him blowing their asses off all summer this year and making them grovel for him to come back and for some reason have no rhythm with the rest of the offense, really I'm fine with it. I can't imagine the Vikings are fine with it right now. The end result has been a horrid start to the season and rumors that Favre doesn't respect Chilly which are swirling once again, an arm that Aikman declared older than Favre realizes a couple weeks ago, and a new receiver he has to find a rhythm with--that they gave up yet another draft pick for. I'm fine with that, but if Favre is slow to find a rhythm with Moss who will they turn to next?

[HowardRoark]

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Too many words for this thread; where is Scott?

[MJZiggy]

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Too many words for this thread; where is Scott?

(at least they're in English)

[mraynrand]

He hasn't been earning that check yet this year, but he has 13 more games to go to prove he was worth it.

Here's hoping you're right.

[HowardRoark]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too many words for this thread; where is Scott?

(at least they're in English)

Ach komm schon Fräulein, was haben Sie gegen die Muttersprache? Wirst du jemals in FYI wieder Post?

[mmmdk]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too many words for this thread; where is Scott?

(at least they're in English)

Ach komm schon Fräulein, was haben Sie gegen die Muttersprache? Wirst du jemals in FYI wieder Post?

Ich habe keine ahnung!

[MJZiggy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too many words for this thread; where is Scott?

(at least they're in English)

Ach komm schon Fräulein, was haben Sie gegen die Muttersprache? Wirst du jemals in FYI wieder Post?

I love my language. And to answer your question, I got a love life. I now have far (FAR) better things to do.

[HowardRoark]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too many words for this thread; where is Scott?

(at least they're in English)

Ach komm schon Fräulein, was haben Sie gegen die Muttersprache? Wirst du jemals in FYI wieder Post?

I love my language. And to answer your question, I got a love life. I now have far (FAR) better things to do.

Wunderbar.

[MJZiggy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too many words for this thread; where is Scott?

(at least they're in English)

Ach komm schon Fräulein, was haben Sie gegen die Muttersprache? Wirst du jemals in FYI wieder Post?

I love my language. And to answer your question, I got a love life. I now have far (FAR) better things to do.

Wunderbar.

Gracias.

[gex]

Favre to Moss :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
This season just got even more exciting!!
Gotta love the NFL

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder if Bert will throw Randy under the bus when he throws his picks.

[packerbacker1234]

To us, maybe it seems a bit weird (imagine if AR said fuck TC), but to a team who has never had a QB perform the way favre did last year pretty much in the history of their franchise? Yeah, favre will be allowed to do what he wants.

Hmmm.... stop making shit up!!

Culpepper 2004 69.2% 4,717y 39td 11int 110.9 rating
Favre 2009 68.4% 4,202y 33td 7int 107.2 rating

That's five years ago that Minnesota has never had a QB perform the way BF did in 2009 for the history of their franchise. Must be nice to never in your history every 5 years.

Yeah, cause Culpepper is a HOF player and didn't solely rely on chuking it deep to moss all the time right? Favre was a legit great QB before he ever arrived in minnesota. Culpepper had the one stellar stand out season and a few pretty good ones, but overall everyone sort of knew he really wasn't that good. He sure as hell wasn't kept around much longer after Moss was moved.

Favre spread it out well last year, even with Sidney being the guy streteching the defense. Culpepper reminds me a lot of Sexy Rexy... GOING DEEP! That works when you have randy moss.

You have to look beyond the numbers - with favre last year teh vikings were basically the total package offensively. They COULD run the ball, and they did. With cullpepper that season they were all passing team where culpepper either scrambled or, mostly, chucked it deep to moss, or a play desinged to go to moss.

Heh. Culpepper sucks, overall, Favre doesn't.

I guess sometime sthe blinders come on because favre is a superior QB to Culpepper overall.

[mraynrand]

To us, maybe it seems a bit weird (imagine if AR said fuck TC), but to a team who has never had a QB perform the way favre did last year pretty much in the history of their franchise? Yeah, favre will be allowed to do what he wants.

Hmmm.... stop making shit up!!

Culpepper 2004 69.2% 4,717y 39td 11int 110.9 rating
Favre 2009 68.4% 4,202y 33td 7int 107.2 rating

That's five years ago that Minnesota has never had a QB perform the way BF did in 2009 for the history of their franchise. Must be nice to never in your history every 5 years.

WOW! 1234:

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/Patlerized.jpg

[MOBB DEEP]

Favre to Moss :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
This season just got even more exciting!!
Gotta love the NFL

mos def

ENTERTAINMENT

[MOBB DEEP]

I wonder if Bert will throw Randy under the bus when he throws his picks.

HAHAHAHAHA

[MOBB DEEP]

Moss will resurrect favres career

favre SUCKED last season
Put that back into Google translator MOOB, the second sentence came out wrong. :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bossman641]

Because football is a team game! That took all of 2 seconds to think of.

Yes it is a team game, and if their is a chance of aggrevating an ankle that is already practically bone on bone that could prevent you from missing time in the regular season, is their a point, as a team player, to be risking that when you know the coaching staff, orginzation, and every teammate but Jackson is going to be okay with you taking as much time off as you need?

Not really sure "it's a team game" is a valid argument for Favre missing time - if anything, the TEAM is okay with it, they would of continued to be okay with it as long as #4 had said he was coming back all along. It was only the 'not knowing' part that was frustrating to his teammates, not the actual time he took off. THey repeatedly said in interview after interview that everyone was cool with Favre not showing up until a similar time period like last year, most citing his accomplishments, his age, the beating he took against the saints, and the stellar performance he gave this team last year and being big signs that Favre can take all the time off he needs in order to be able to perform for the TEAM.

I didn't watch the situation that closely, this is just based on ESPN force feeding every viking comment down our throats all summer.

Dude.... Favre could show up in Minnesota and do his rehab there. Instead of throwing to high school players he could throw to his WR. No one said he had to be a 100% participant in every drill. Sit on the sidelines and watch. Help with film break down. Be a TEAM PLAYER!

Fuck I cracked my ribs my senior year in football and could have never shown up again. I wasn't practicing, I was never playing again, I was rehabbing. Yet I was at every practice and game that fall; standing on the sidelines cheering the team on. Why?? Becasue it's a TEAM SPORT!!

If you don't get it and want to give BF a pass I will never be able to change your mind.

Yeah, but one thing you have to always be weary of is the mental aspect of the game, and distancing yourself from that for as long as you. In the past, Brett has stated that the mental aspect is hard on you, and as a QB... I can completely understand.

Could he be throwing to teammates verse HS students? Sure, and but he has nothing to worry about mentaly, which is something I don't think was talked about enough.

QB's have to be very intellegent people to be successful, and when he get sback into breaking down film and concentrating on actual plays, even if limited or rehabbing, can be a big mental toll verse being in your comfort zone, sleeping in your OWN bed every night, throwing to kids without any expectations (which is obviously a great experience for those kids).

Is this a joke? Comfort zones? Own bed? Is Brett a football player or a 12 year old nervous about going away to summer camp?

[ThunderDan]

To us, maybe it seems a bit weird (imagine if AR said fuck TC), but to a team who has never had a QB perform the way favre did last year pretty much in the history of their franchise? Yeah, favre will be allowed to do what he wants.

Hmmm.... stop making shit up!!

Culpepper 2004 69.2% 4,717y 39td 11int 110.9 rating
Favre 2009 68.4% 4,202y 33td 7int 107.2 rating

That's five years ago that Minnesota has never had a QB perform the way BF did in 2009 for the history of their franchise. Must be nice to never in your history every 5 years.

Yeah, cause Culpepper is a HOF player and didn't solely rely on chuking it deep to moss all the time right? Favre was a legit great QB before he ever arrived in minnesota. Culpepper had the one stellar stand out season and a few pretty good ones, but overall everyone sort of knew he really wasn't that good. He sure as hell wasn't kept around much longer after Moss was moved.

Favre spread it out well last year, even with Sidney being the guy streteching the defense. Culpepper reminds me a lot of Sexy Rexy... GOING DEEP! That works when you have randy moss.

You have to look beyond the numbers - with favre last year teh vikings were basically the total package offensively. They COULD run the ball, and they did. With cullpepper that season they were all passing team where culpepper either scrambled or, mostly, chucked it deep to moss, or a play desinged to go to moss.

Heh. Culpepper sucks, overall, Favre doesn't.

I guess sometime sthe blinders come on because favre is a superior QB to Culpepper overall.

You really need to get your facts straight before making stuff up. Other than catches Moss was significantly down in yardage and TDs in 2002.

Moss 2002: 106 rec 1,347Y (below his average of 1,395Y in MINN) 12.7YPR (Lowest in career almost 20% less than what he has averaged for his career) 7TDs (lowest in career except for 2006 in Oakland when he sat on the bench, in fact the only other years that RM didn't have 10 or more TDs are his Oakland years).