OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[RashanGary]

bf knows 90% of the Packer fans can't stand him. why show up for boo-fest. hell, the Packers know this too. this is media driven...everyone wants an exclusive. the Packers contiue to take the high road whenever it's brought up to be politically correct. everyone pushing this needs to let it go. it'll be a fucking disaster. he pissed away his chance to be a beloved part of Packers history.

I seem to remember you were a big Favre fan. It's still a little strange to see how final the divorce was. I'd like to think he could come back and be celebrated for his play. There have been other Packer greats to move on (Lombardi, Reggie, others.) The way it went down with Favre though, he tried to hurt the Packers. It was a real grudge match, one I don't think people can ever really forget. He's going to be remembered more as Favre, the individual, and less as Favre, a part of the Packers. Honestly, I think that's how he conducted his business too. It's probably the most "real" way to remember him.

As a person who wasn't a big fan of Favre, the teammate or Favre, the person, I'm glad his true colors showed. I think praising him like Starr or even Rodgers, takes away from those who do it the right way.

[pbmax]

bf knows 90% of the Packer fans can't stand him. why show up for boo-fest. hell, the Packers know this too. this is media driven...everyone wants an exclusive. the Packers contiue to take the high road whenever it's brought up to be politically correct. everyone pushing this needs to let it go. it'll be a fucking disaster. he pissed away his chance to be a beloved part of Packers history.


Finally, someone who didn't buy a purple #4.

Do you guys think the Packers are feigning interest just to placate the fans of Favre that remain?

Because while I am sure, right now, there would be boos, a reconciliation would not be tough if Brett wanted it. He pretty charming and persuasive and could sell it easily in state. At least I believe that to be the case.

Haven't thought much about the Packers being ambivalent about it. If Favre is committed, its a pretty big marketing win.

[Pugger]

Do you guys think the Packers are feigning interest just to placate the fans of Favre that remain?

Because while I am sure, right now, there would be boos, a reconciliation would not be tough if Brett wanted it. He pretty charming and persuasive and could sell it easily in state. At least I believe that to be the case.

Haven't thought much about the Packers being ambivalent about it. If Favre is committed, its a pretty big marketing win.

No, I truly think they want to honor Favre and all he did for the franchise. It is clearly in BF's court what happens next.

[swede]

bf knows 90% of the Packer fans can't stand him. why show up for boo-fest. hell, the Packers know this too. this is media driven...everyone wants an exclusive. the Packers contiue to take the high road whenever it's brought up to be politically correct. everyone pushing this needs to let it go. it'll be a fucking disaster. he pissed away his chance to be a beloved part of Packers history.


Finally, someone who didn't buy a purple #4.


Do you guys think the Packers are feigning interest just to placate the fans of Favre that remain?

Because while I am sure, right now, there would be boos, a reconciliation would not be tough if Brett wanted it. He pretty charming and persuasive and could sell it easily in state. At least I believe that to be the case.

Haven't thought much about the Packers being ambivalent about it. If Favre is committed, its a pretty big marketing win.

I think bringing Favre back into the fold is easily done as long as Favre does two things.

First he has to say the right things a few times. He doesn't owe apologies or explanations. He just has to say a few nice things about the Packers. Then he has to pick the right opportunities to make a few public appearances for the team. Showing up to honor another player from his era is one way. Helping to celebrate Lombardi's 100th birthday in June would be a good way, but he hasn't done the "saying nice things" groundwork necessary just yet. The Favre/Rodgers connection with the award for Manning was a hopeful start, but nothing has happened since.

Not that it concerns me, but if Favre would like a happy reunion he simply needs to slide back onto the scene quietly. Come to a golf outing. Show up on Monday night football and root for the Packers. Frankly, I don't think he can do those things so he won't do those things. Most people, the happy, drop negative feelings and move on. Packer nation will boo the beejeezus out of him if he just shows up one, two, five years from now to retire a jersey. Packer nation will receive him warmly if he spends a few months making nice.

[Bretsky]

I seem to remember you were a big Favre fan. It's still a little strange to see how final the divorce was. I'd like to think he could come back and be celebrated for his play. There have been other Packer greats to move on (Lombardi, Reggie, others.) The way it went down with Favre though, he tried to hurt the Packers. It was a real grudge match, one I don't think people can ever really forget. He's going to be remembered more as Favre, the individual, and less as Favre, a part of the Packers. Honestly, I think that's how he conducted his business too. It's probably the most "real" way to remember him.

As a person who wasn't a big fan of Favre, the teammate or Favre, the person, I'm glad his true colors showed. I think praising him like Starr or even Rodgers, takes away from those who do it the right way.


Speaking of former fans.......I have a few G of Favre signed stuff still in my house. If I could just get the cost for all of it I'd sell it in a second.


Cheers,
B

[Cleft Crusty]

I think bringing Favre back into the fold is easily done as long as Favre does two things.

First he has to say the right things a few times. He doesn't owe apologies or explanations. He just has to say a few nice things about the Packers. Then he has to pick the right opportunities to make a few public appearances for the team. Showing up to honor another player from his era is one way. Helping to celebrate Lombardi's 100th birthday in June would be a good way, but he hasn't done the "saying nice things" groundwork necessary just yet. The Favre/Rodgers connection with the award for Manning was a hopeful start, but nothing has happened since.

Not that it concerns me, but if Favre would like a happy reunion he simply needs to slide back onto the scene quietly. Come to a golf outing. Show up on Monday night football and root for the Packers. Frankly, I don't think he can do those things so he won't do those things. Most people, the happy, drop negative feelings and move on. Packer nation will boo the beejeezus out of him if he just shows up one, two, five years from now to retire a jersey. Packer nation will receive him warmly if he spends a few months making nice.


you would think then that it wouldn't take but a little similar happy talk coming from the other direction to move forward the reconciliation, like Ted Thompson saying "We had our differences and difficult times, but Brett Favre was a great competitor and great player for this organization."

Otherwise, you can see decades of animosity on the horizon a la Terry Bradshaw and the Steelers.

[ThunderDan]

you would think then that it wouldn't take but a little similar happy talk coming from the other direction to move forward the reconciliation, like Ted Thompson saying "We had our differences and difficult times, but Brett Favre was a great competitor and great player for this organization."

Otherwise, you can see decades of animosity on the horizon a la Terry Bradshaw and the Steelers.

Well.... TT and Murphy tried to retire his number once already.

[swede]

you would think then that it wouldn't take but a little similar happy talk coming from the other direction to move forward the reconciliation, like Ted Thompson saying "We had our differences and difficult times, but Brett Favre was a great competitor and great player for this organization."

Otherwise, you can see decades of animosity on the horizon a la Terry Bradshaw and the Steelers.

They shipped him his goddam locker you crazy old inkstained, saddle sore gym rat. Do you know how much that cost? Neither do I, but it was a lot I'll bet. If Ted hasn't been inviting Brett places it is an oversight, pure and simple. You know how careless Ted and Mark can be with the little details. One will be like hey did you invite Brett and the other one will be like pretty sure I did maybe so they probably have invited him and called him lots of times and maybe they even Skype and Ted will be all hey Brett and Brett will drop trou and that conversation would be over.

Tell you what I'll do. I'll take a note to Brett saying Ted feels really bad and he really still likes you do you still like him? How much security can there be on a tree farm in Missifuckingsippi?

[swede]

I've been under a lot of stress lately.

[woodbuck27]

No, I truly think they want to honor Favre and all he did for the franchise. It is clearly in BF's court what happens next.

Yes it's right there IMO.

This take that the fans will boo Favre is simply 'sour grapes'. Favre will have his day for all he did as a Green Bay Packer and not for what he did after the Packers made up their collective minds that he must retire and when that didn't work trade him.

This hate Favre thing because of anything he did when the Packers pushed him aside is clear nonsense. The hate mongers are difficult to put to bed. Their demonstrations locate their weakness. So what if some Packer fans 'the idiots' boo him on a commerative day he truly deserves. Their boos will be drowned out by the vast majority that realize the importance of that day in Packer history.

[Cleft Crusty]

Tell you what I'll do. I'll take a note to Brett saying Ted feels really bad and he really still likes you do you still like him?

I don't think Ted needs to lie. I'm sure Ted doesn't feel bad about the Favre situation at all, and justifiably so. He could throw him a little tiny bone (Brett may be used to that) like the comment I suggested, just to let him know things are sortof okey dokey. But I really couldn't care less - these things never work out as planned, just ask Dick Butkis and Gayle Sayers how much they liked their 'special evening' at Soldier Field in 1994.

[woodbuck27]

Well.... TT and Murphy tried to retire his number once already.

Yea but.....

That was a left hand turn at the next intersection and on down the street to the Green and Gold house on the right hand side.

Brett Favre took a right hand turn at that same intersection to a Green and White house after directions from TT. After that ... a stay at a Purple house further on down the road.

[Cleft Crusty]

I've been under a lot of stress lately.


I failed a stress test last week - twenty steps on the treadmill and I was asking for my E-wheels scooter.

[woodbuck27]

I don't think Ted needs to lie. I'm sure Ted doesn't feel bad about the Favre situation at all, and justifiably so. He could throw him a little tiny bone (Brett may be used to that) like the comment I suggested, just to let him know things are sortof okey dokey. But I really couldn't care less - these things never work out as planned, just ask Dick Butkis and Gayle Sayers how much they liked their 'special evening' at Soldier Field in 1994.

This is simply now going to be a formality to try and end the madness that was generated by a media hungry for anything Favre news. Madness propogated by Packer fans that simply extended their 'I've had enough of losing BIG GAMES with Favre and want Aaron Rodgers behind center. That turned to hatred when he exercised his free will/freedom as a Pro to join the Minnesota Vikings; and 'of course' took the Packers down twice in the 2009 season.

I always really wondered if those hate Favre fans, actually believed he wouldn't return to win those games in 2009?

What was he supposed to do !? Fold up like a 4' X 8 ' tent ! Winning those games in 2009 'only added to his legacy...his greatness. Does anyone believe that Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy were surprized that the Packers droped those two games to the Minnesota Vikings in 2009? Was Aaron Rodgers and the Packer team ready in 2009 to handle a Brett Favre led team? The same team that nearly went to the Super Bowl that season!?

Obviously not and so why the silly hate...is the question I've always asked myself.

It's just football not a WAR between countries.

[swede]

It's just football not a WAR between countries.

Sez Canada.

[pbmax]

It occurs to me that Favre's career is a good illustration of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

You drill in close enough, in a small enough time frame like woodbuck did above from imminent release to winning two games against the Packers, all the details make sense even if you get no sense of the arc of the story.

But if you look with a wider time frame, none of the details add up to the arc.

Brett's career is like a up/down Quark.

[George Cumby]

It occurs to me that Favre's career is a good illustration of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

You drill in close enough, in a small enough time frame like woodbuck did above from imminent release to winning two games against the Packers, all the details make sense even if you get no sense of the arc of the story.

But if you look with a wider time frame, none of the details add up to the arc.

Brett's career is like a up/down Quark.

Say the fuck, what?

What in the hell is PB talking about? Can someone who isn't buzzed translate for me?

My head hurts.

[RashanGary]

Say the fuck, what?

What in the hell is PB talking about? Can someone who isn't buzzed translate for me?

My head hurts.

I think he's saying Woodbuck is using Favre beating teh Packers twice as proof that Favre got over on the Packers and somehow got the best of them. I think PB's opinion is probably that the Packers turned out just fine, and possibly that Favre is a bitter guy, and isn't really winning anything.

[Joemailman]

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[Pugger]

I think he's saying Woodbuck is using Favre beating teh Packers twice as proof that Favre got over on the Packers and somehow got the best of them. I think PB's opinion is probably that the Packers turned out just fine, and possibly that Favre is a bitter guy, and isn't really winning anything.

Favre got his revenge I suppose by beating us twice that year but we ended up with the trophy. I would say the Packers got the better end of that deal.

[pbmax]

I think he's saying Woodbuck is using Favre beating teh Packers twice as proof that Favre got over on the Packers and somehow got the best of them. I think PB's opinion is probably that the Packers turned out just fine, and possibly that Favre is a bitter guy, and isn't really winning anything.

Excellent and perfectly valid, though not what I had in mind at the time.

I think woodbuck was hinting at a point he has made before. That in retrospect, what really ticked Favre off was being told he couldn't compete for the job and win it outright. That the Packers were giving the job to Rodgers. And that might be true, but it doesn't quite tell the whole backstory on the resentment angle. From either side. That camel was weighed down by a lot of other straw at that point.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That camel was weighed down by a lot of other straw at that point.

I've seen some camel toes that are prettier than this thread.

[swede]

I've seen some camel toes that are prettier than this thread.

...and some of them were on camels.

[Cleft Crusty]

It occurs to me that Favre's career is a good illustration of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

You drill in close enough, in a small enough time frame like woodbuck did above from imminent release to winning two games against the Packers, all the details make sense even if you get no sense of the arc of the story.

But if you look with a wider time frame, none of the details add up to the arc.

Brett's career is like a up/down Quark.

Charming. That's quite a spin you're putting on this story.

[woodbuck27]

Favre got his revenge I suppose by beating us twice that year but we ended up with the trophy. I would say the Packers got the better end of that deal.

I don't see it as anyone getting the better end of any deal. The Green Bay Packers decided to terminate Brett Favre as their NO. 1 QB in lieu of Aaron Rodgers.

Ted Thompson traded Brett Favre to NFL Siberia or the New York Jets. We saw Brett Favre re-generate 'the Jets' during the 2008 season. Elevating them from a 4 win season in 2007 to 10 wins and an almost playoff berth in 2008. After that 2008 season, Brett Favre advised the New York Jets that they should not count on his services in the 2009 season or find another QB. As you may re-call as that season concluded Brett Favre's arm was impaired (with a shoulder injury ) as I re-call it.

Subsequently .... the Minnesota Vikings came calling and Brett Favre became their starting QB and had one of the greatest seasons in his career. That season 'of course' include two games vs the Green Bay Packers and as it turned out. Both victories for the Minnesota Vikings. There had to be a winner and a loser. It simply turned out that the loser was the Green Bay Packers.

This idea that Brett Favre took some circuitous route to get revenge on Ted Thompson is IMO simply foolish thinking on the part of simple minds. People that need to make too much of really nothing.

Countless times Brett Favre has said publicly that he didn't hold resentment against Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy. 'In fact' Brett Favre has openly stated that loved his time as a Green Bay Packer, loved his fellow teammates and loved Green Bay Packer fans.

Favre had his time in the NFL as a Green Bay Packer and that had to end as it was time for Aaron Rodgers to step up. With Aaron Rodgers steering the Packers offense, we enjoyed our fourth Super Bowl win after a successful playoff run following the 2010 season.

It's simply a matter of history and nothing more than that. I'll try to explain it as I saw the Favre - Packers divorce go down. Try to do that in subsequent posts.

Some here at Packerrats may re-call a little story that I composed way back in the Spring of 2006. When some of us were posting on JSO. I set that story in the winter following the 2004 season and playoffs. To re-cap that 2004 season:

The 2004 season started with the Packers losing four of their first five games, then winning their next six games, and finally winning three of their final five regular season games. The Packers season ended in a Wild Card playoff (31-17 loss) to the Minnesota Vikings. The Green Bay Packers took the NFCN Championship in 2004; and finished with an overall record of 10-7.

It's difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season; yet 'in review' that total loss was inexcusable. We had defeated the Vikings 2X in close games by identical 34-31 scores. In the 'Wild card' game the Minnesota Vikings had a response to those two Packer regular season close wins.

I felt that Brett Favre looked terrible in that Wild card playoff loss. In particular the way he acted on what should have been a sure scoring drive late in that game; that might have set up a comeback win. A close friend of mine watching that game with me was enraged at Brett Favre. I was unable to defend Favre after that 'no' performance. That loss stuck with me for months. I re-call clearly feeling that the writing was 'now clearly on the wall;' and that Favre was about done as the Green Bay Packer starting QB.

Again back at JSO and in the Spring of 2006 when I was meeting some of the current Packerrat I wrote this little story, about a group of men at an ice fishing shack after the embarrassing Brett Favre and Green Bay Packer performance Vs the Minnesota Vikings in that playoff Wild Card game at Lambeau field. It's so difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season. Yet ... 'in review' that total loss was inexcuseable in terms of Brett Favre, who simply stunk up the joint.

We had defeated the Vikings 2X during that 2004 season by identical 34-31 scores; but in this game the Vikings got out of the gate fast and never looked back. It was one of those 'what have you done for me today' ... things. Brett Favre had a solid 2004 season. 4,088 yards passing and 30 TD's; but that playoff loss looked bad on him.

This group of men at the ice shack included the then HC and GM of the Packers, Mike Sherman, who was about to lose that second title as Packer GM to Ted Thompson. Others present...the President and CEO of the Green Bay Packers and some prominent members of the Packers Board. Those present informed Mike Sherman that he would be relieved as Packer GM in the near future. They also informed Sherman that Brett Favre's days as an active Green Bay Packer were coming to an end.

Brett Favre hung on for three more seasons, but the young QB taken in the first round of the 2005 draft (Aaron Rodgers) was designated; and 'in fact' would succeed him. All good things must come to an end. Favre's days as a Green Bay Packer were coming to a conclusion. Those in power were soured by Favre's antics; and especially so by what he did and didn't do in that playoff loss to the Vikings.

Ted Thompson took over as the Packer GM in that 2004-05 off season. Three seasons down the road the relationship with Favre and Thompson and the Green Bay Packers had come to an end. Unfortunately it didn't go down quietly but rather ended like a tragic divorce.

It didn't have to be that way if the Green Bay Packers simply released Brett Favre. The fact that Favre was coming off such a tremendous season in 2007 and as runner up NFL MVP made it rather difficult. Men like Brett Favre are rare. Men like Brett Favre don't go away easily.

Brett Favre, it was decided; must step down as the starting QB of the Green Bay Packers. Neither bribes nor blame was going to thwart Favre's desire to win another Super Bowl ring.

That didn't mean that his days as an NFL QB should end as Ted Thompson/Mark Murphy and the Green Bay Packers tried so hard to determine as fact. We're talking about Brett Favre; not some ordinary Pro athlete. We're talking Brett Favre ...LEGEND. We're talking about a man that was determined to get back to the Super Bowl and win a second ring. We're talking about a simple man with simple ideals that certainly deserved his 'Freedom Of Rights' as a member of a Democratic Society.

Any Packer fan that continues to be confused by this. Had better look up the definition of fascism. Had better re-examine the God given privilege he/she deserves being an American citizen. The same privilege that Brett Favre deserved and that including any potential outcome after the Green Bay Packers rejected his will to continue as their starting QB.

It's really that simple Packer fans. If you don't get it...try harder. :idea:

Being where I am is too ...... 8-). Why !? It's always going to be 'the right side' of the fence.

GO PACKERS !

[Cleft Crusty]

Woody, I think all the nuances of 1999 suggested the ultimate form for the demise of the Favre era. Please elaborate.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, I think all the nuances of 1999 suggested the ultimate form for the demise of the Favre era. Please elaborate.

Ohh goodness Cleft. I'll need time to review that.

PACKERS !

[Bossman641]

I don't see it as anyone getting the better end of any deal. The Green Bay Packers decided to terminate Brett Favre as their NO. 1 QB in lieu of Aaron Rodgers.

Ted Thompson traded Brett Favre to NFL Siberia or the New York Jets. We saw Brett Favre re-generate 'the Jets' during the 2008 season. Elevating them from a 4 win season in 2007 to 10 wins and an almost playoff berth in 2008. After that 2008 season, Brett Favre advised the New York Jets that they should not count on his services in the 2009 season or find another QB. As you may re-call as that season concluded Brett Favre's arm was impaired (with a shoulder injury ) as I re-call it.

Subsequently .... the Minnesota Vikings came calling and Brett Favre became their starting QB and had one of the greatest seasons in his career. That season 'of course' include two games vs the Green Bay Packers and as it turned out. Both victories for the Minnesota Vikings. There had to be a winner and a loser. It simply turned out that the loser was the Green Bay Packers.

This idea that Brett Favre took some circuitous route to get revenge on Ted Thompson is IMO simply foolish thinking on the part of simple minds. People that need to make too much of really nothing.

Countless times Brett Favre has said publicly that he didn't hold resentment against Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy. 'In fact' Brett Favre has openly stated that loved his time as a Green Bay Packer, loved his fellow teammates and loved Green Bay Packer fans.

Favre had his time in the NFL as a Green Bay Packer and that had to end as it was time for Aaron Rodgers to step up. With Aaron Rodgers steering the Packers offense, we enjoyed our fourth Super Bowl win after a successful playoff run following the 2010 season.

It's simply a matter of history and nothing more than that. I'll try to explain it as I saw the Favre - Packers divorce go down. Try to do that in subsequent posts.

Some here at Packerrats may re-call a little story that I composed way back in the Spring of 2006. When some of us were posting on JSO. I set that story in the winter following the 2004 season and playoffs. To re-cap that 2004 season:

The 2004 season started with the Packers losing four of their first five games, then winning their next six games, and finally winning three of their final five regular season games. The Packers season ended in a Wild Card playoff (31-17 loss) to the Minnesota Vikings. The Green Bay Packers took the NFCN Championship in 2004; and finished with an overall record of 10-7.

It's difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season; yet 'in review' that total loss was inexcusable. We had defeated the Vikings 2X in close games by identical 34-31 scores. In the 'Wild card' game the Vikings got out of the gate fast and never looked back.

I felt that Brett Favre looked terrible in that Wild card playoff loss. In particular the way he acted on what should have been a sure scoring drive late in that game; that might have set up a comeback win. A close friend of mine watching that game with me was enraged at Brett Favre. I was unable to defend Favre after that 'no' performance. That loss stuck with me for months. I re-call clearly feeling that the writing was 'now clearly on the wall' and that Favre was about done as the Green Bay Packer starting QB.

Again back at JSO and in the Spring of 2006 when I was meeting some of the current Packerrats. I wrote this little story about a group of men at an ice fishing shack after the embarrassing Brett Favre and Green Bay Packer performance Vs the Minnesota Vikings in that playoff Wild Card game at Lambeau field. It's so difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season; yet 'in review' that total loss was inexcuseable and Favre simply stunk up the joint. We had defeated the Vikings 2X during that 2004 season by identical 34-31 scores but in this game the Vikings got out of the gate fast and never looked back. It was one of those 'what have you done for me today' ... things. Brett Favre had a solid season with 4,088 yards passing and 30 TD's; but that playoff loss looked bad on him as I saw it.

This group of men at the ice shack included the then HC and GM of the Packers, Mike Sherman. Who was about to lose that second title as Packer GM to Ted Thompson. The President and CEO of the Green Bay Packers and some prominent members of the Packers Board. The other members there informed Mike Sherman that he would be relieved as Packer GM in the near future. They also informed Sherman that Brett Favre's days as an active Green Bay Packer were coming to an end.

Brett Favre hung on for three more seasons, but the young QB taken in the first round of the 2005 draft (Aaron Rodgers) was designated; and 'in fact' would succeed him. All good things must come to an end. Favre's days as a Green Bay would end.

That didn't mean that his days as an NFL QB should end as Ted Thompson/Mark Murphy and the Green Bay Packers tried so hard to determine as fact. We're talking about Brett Favre here; not some ordinary Pro athlete. We're talking Brett Favre ...LEGEND. We're talking about a man that was determined to get back to the Super Bowl and win a second ring. We're talking about a simple man with simple ideals that certainly deserved his 'Freedom Of Rights' as a member of a Democratic Society.

Any Packer fan that continues to be confused by this. Had better look up the definition of fascism. Had better re-examine the God given privilege he/she deserves being an American citizen. The same privilege that Brett Favre deserved and that including any potential outcome after the Green Bay Packers rejected his will to continue as their starting QB.

It's really that simple Packer fans. If you don't get it...try harder. :idea:

GO PACKERS !

I really need to have this in a constant copy and paste for replies to you

Calling Matt Millen and giving him insight into the Packer offense
Blocking off hotel rooms in GB the weekend of the GB/MIN game while still under contract with the Jets
Telling Urlacher to beat the Packers and keep them out of the playoffs

Yes yes...nothing to see here

:bang::bang::bang:

[ThunderDan]

Woody forgets a few things in his BF history.

1. BF asked for his release from the NY Jets, he was still under contract. The owner said no. BF promise he was really done this time and wanted his release and then retire. NYJ owner final released BF. BF pulls his I gone play/ not play dance and finally signs with the Queens.
2. Minnesota Vikings investigated for tampering with BF during the summer of 2008.
3. GB already tried to retire BF's number once.

Any way, GB sure got the better end of the deal. If we had kept BF for 2008-2010 maybe we make the Super Bowl but then we have no QB for the future. Instead we have ARod , a Super Bowl and another superstar QB in the fold for 7 more years during his prime.

[woodbuck27]

Woody forgets a few things in his BF history.

1. BF asked for his release from the NY Jets, he was still under contract. The owner said no. BF promise he was really done this time and wanted his release and then retire. NYJ owner final released BF. BF pulls his I gone play/ not play dance and finally signs with the Queens.
2. Minnesota Vikings investigated for tampering with BF during the summer of 2008.
3. GB already tried to retire BF's number once.

Any way, GB sure got the better end of the deal. If we had kept BF for 2008-2010 maybe we make the Super Bowl but then we have no QB for the future. Instead we have ARod , a Super Bowl and another superstar QB in the fold for 7 more years during his prime.

Try to get your facts straight.

a) Favre had little difficulty getting his release from the NY Jets. He was totally up front in advising the Jets management that they had better find a stating QB for the 2009 season and subsequently was released with little fanfare.

b) The Minnesota Vikings were determined to NOT be guilty of any tampering charge by the Green Bay Backers against them, by the NFL HO. So given that as 'a fact'. Why bring that nonsense up. What's your point!?

c) What on earth is wrong with you!? How in the sake of anything rational could the Green Bay Packers retire Brett Favre's number? Do that on the day and time when he was playing in the NFL elsewhere; and that caused by their ( The Green Bay Packers) own doing that subsequently led to the rest. The Green Bay Packers 'traded Brett Favre', to the New York Jets. It was soon revealed after that trade was announced. That Brett Favre would 'in fact' report to the New York Jets to play the 2008 season.

Straighten up - stand up and walk straight. Try to get real and simply open your mind a tad more ... get the blinders off. It's refreshing to see matters in a sense of TRUTH.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

In woodbuck's alternate ice fishing history, what would have happened if Aaron Rodgers had been picked by the 49ers?

Would the Packer Trilateral Commission still have decided to end Brett Favre's career with Alex Smith?

[woodbuck27]

In woodbuck's alternate ice fishing history, what would have happened if Aaron Rodgers had been picked by the 49ers?

Would the Packer Trilateral Commission still have decided to end Brett Favre's career with Alex Smith?

It just turned out that Aaron Rodgers was there to be picked by Ted Thompson. That Aaron Rodgers fell in that draft and Ted Thompson scooped him up. That wasn't any stroke of genius on Thompson's part. Simply a smart move to pick what fell to him.

As for Aaron Rodgers taking over for Brett Favre after he had a near MVP season and (arguably) his best season ever. That came about because otherwise Aaron Rodgers would have more that likely exercises his option as a Free Agent and left the Green Bay Packers; and he was determined ready to succeed Brett Favre.

It came down to a simple matter of the right timing and a move for the future of the Green Bay Packers at Brett Favre's expense.

GO PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck, you do realize you spent this entire draft bitching about us not drafting for need, right? Drafting AR was drafting for down the road (exactly what you and wist were bitching about ad nauseum.) Maybe TT's wasn't very smart there, but if that's the case, that would make you very stupid, because in contrast to you, Ted believes the draft is for the future of the team, not right now. As such, he doesn't tend to make desperation mistakes.

You have to pick a side, man.

[woodbuck27]

I really need to have this in a constant copy and paste for replies to you

Calling Matt Millen and giving him insight into the Packer offense
Blocking off hotel rooms in GB the weekend of the GB/MIN game while still under contract with the Jets
Telling Urlacher to beat the Packers and keep them out of the playoffs

Yes yes...nothing to see here

:bang::bang::bang:

Do you tell your children and/or grandchildren this stuff !?

Look up the meaning of the word 'enlightenment'.

When Lambeau field will be shaken with the 'LOUDEST' Cheering of Packer fans for the outstanding career and accomplishments of Brett Favre as a Green Bay Packer, someday very soon.

Where will you be with you derisions? Where will you be with your pettiness. Where will you be with your 'much to do about nothings' Vs all that Brett Favre gave to appreciative Packer fans? Packer fans that see 'the simple' TRUTH.

Ask yourself that as I don't care to know.

PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, you do realize you spent this entire draft bitching about us not drafting for need, right? Drafting AR was drafting for down the road (exactly what you and wist were bitching about ad nauseum.) Maybe TT's wasn't very smart there, but if that's the case, that would make you very stupid, because in contrast to you, Ted believes the draft is for the future of the team, not right now. As such, he doesn't tend to make desperation mistakes.

You have to pick a side, man.

First of all I wasn't bitching about anything. I was at a total loss as to what Ted Thompson and his Draft Team was doing that correlated with anything approaching certain sense.

I was simply disappointed that TT didn't exercise an option to use his third round pick or #88 overall. There were prospects available at #88 overall that some here felt were certainly viable choices. I was one of those Packer fans that wished that TT had picked at #88.

Secondly... I was most upset that TT traded down 2X with the San Fran 49ers. That and using the trade value chart (TVC) as I 'only' knew that at the time. That those two moves were compounded as wrong from my view, as a Packer fan, in the value of the return that TT secured for those two consecutive trades. That being grossly insubstantial.

This was subsequently cleared up. As 'in fact' TT and the San Fran 49ers had employed a different TVC than the 'only' one I was in possession of. On that issue...I was 'in fact' active in this determination and follow-up. I 'in fact' admitted to my ignorance, as the details were pursued; and I was enlightened. I admitted later that 'in fact' TT secured fair trade value for those two trades with the 49ers.

GO PACK GO !

[Bossman641]

Do you tell your children and/or grandchildren this stuff !?

Look up the meaning of the word 'enlightenment'.

When Lambeau field will be shaken with the 'LOUDEST' Cheering of Packer fans for the outstanding career and accomplishments of Brett Favre as a Green Bay Packer, someday very soon.

Where will you be with you derisions? Where will you be with your pettiness. Where will you be with your 'much to do about nothings' Vs all that Brett Favre gave to appreciative Packer fans? Packer fans that see 'the simple' TRUTH.

Ask yourself that as I don't care to know.

PACKERS!

Actually I am in favor of Favre getting his number retired and look forward to the day. Do not confuse having a firm grasp of what occurred in the past and being able to get past it with derision's and pettiness. I am able to acknowledge both his accomplishments and his negatives.

[3irty1]

I'll be among the thousands of detractors in the stands yelling "Boooooooooooobs"

[swede]

I'll be among the thousands of detractors in the stands yelling "Boooooooooooobs"

At the breast that ever was? Shame.

[Upnorth]

Actually I am in favor of Favre getting his number retired and look forward to the day. Do not confuse having a firm grasp of what occurred in the past and being able to get past it with derision's and pettiness. I am able to acknowledge both his accomplishments and his negatives.

This +1

[ThunderDan]

Actually I am in favor of Favre getting his number retired and look forward to the day. Do not confuse having a firm grasp of what occurred in the past and being able to get past it with derision's and pettiness. I am able to acknowledge both his accomplishments and his negatives.

+1

It's amazing how certain people on this board give BF a complete pass on what happened.

[denverYooper]

Charming. That's quite a spin you're putting on this story.

I found it pretty strange.

[pbmax]

It just turned out that Aaron Rodgers was there to be picked by Ted Thompson. That Aaron Rodgers fell in that draft and Ted Thompson scooped him up. That wasn't any stroke of genius on Thompson's part. Simply a smart move to pick what fell to him.

As for Aaron Rodgers taking over for Brett Favre after he had a near MVP season and (arguably) his best season ever. That came about because otherwise Aaron Rodgers would have more that likely exercises his option as a Free Agent and left the Green Bay Packers; and he was determined ready to succeed Brett Favre.

It came down to a simple matter of the right timing and a move for the future of the Green Bay Packers at Brett Favre's expense.

GO PACKERS !

OK. So the ice fishing story was what you imagined happening at the time, because of the team's (and possibly your) disillusionment? Disillusionment that passed when Favre regained his mojo in 2007?

Do I have a bead on it now?

[RashanGary]

Woody, It's harder to take you as serious when you say TT lucked into AR and that it was a no-brainer.

In hindsight, it was. Clay was a no-brainer, Jennings, Rodgers, Collins, Woodson in UFA, Cobb, and many others. They're all no brainers in hind-sight. The last truly no-brainer pick I remember was Joe Thomas. I think everyone knew he was great.

TT passed up Haloti Ngata to draft AJ Hawk. If Hawk is a great player, we all sit here and call it a no-brainer.

Almost nothing is a no-brainer in the draft. Every pick, no matter how high, can be a bust. Any QB picked in the 24 slot is not a no-brainer. If it were, he'd have been the #1 pick. McCarthy knows a hell of a lot about QB play and he passed on AR.


I like your posts, but man, over time, TT must be the luckiest GM in football. We keep winning games on pure luck. That's just not true, man.

[Joemailman]

Rodgers talks with Rome about wanting a reconciliation with Favre. Favre comments start at about 05:30.

http://jimrome.com/2013/05/22/aaron-rodgers/

[RashanGary]

Rodgers talks with Rome about wanting a reconciliation with Favre. Favre comments start at about 05:30.

http://jimrome.com/2013/05/22/aaron-rodgers/


I heard that today. Rodgers is a tone-setter for work ethic. I do think it's important for your highest paid player to be your hardest worker and your tone setter. It would be very hard to ask a lot out of everyone else if the #1 paid player isn't doing it too.

[LP]

Which three players are the Packer going to have to send to Mississippi to talk Bert into coming to Green Bay? Do you suppose Chilly will be available to pick him up at the airport?

[RashanGary]

Which three players are the Packer going to have to send to Mississippi to talk Bert into coming to Green Bay? Do you suppose Chilly will be available to pick him up at the airport?

LMFAO

[pbmax]

Woody, It's harder to take you as serious when you say TT lucked into AR and that it was a no-brainer.

It also means that something close to 23 GMs have no brains.

[woodbuck27]

Actually I am in favor of Favre getting his number retired and look forward to the day. Do not confuse having a firm grasp of what occurred in the past and being able to get past it with derision's and pettiness. I am able to acknowledge both his accomplishments and his negatives.

Well said Joe.... :clap: Rah ! Rah !! Rah !!! :glug:

Ohh shame on me. I imagined I had you set up for the Pro Brett Favre post of my lifetime.

Damn ! ;-)

[woodbuck27]

I'll be among the thousands of detractors in the stands yelling "Boooooooooooobs"

Ahh yes...Deanna will be there with Brett. She's certainly a sight for the eyes of men and foolish hearts.

but .... is that respectful to your wife...girlfriend?

[pbmax]

I know you're joking, but Peyton is 34. Who knows how much longer he'll play.


I was only half joking. It wouldn't be a shock at all if Manning only played another 3 seasons or so. It also wouldn't be a shock if he is still playing 5 or 6 years from now. He doesn't seem to have any significant recurring physical issues, his performance hasn't declined, so he could last a long time yet, if he wants to.

Bump.

Nearly came true. Manning was out all of 2011 and there was no guarantee he would be able to return in 2012. Brett nearly made it through 2010 (13 games).

[woodbuck27]

OK. So the ice fishing story was what you imagined happening at the time, because of the team's (and possibly your) disillusionment? Disillusionment that passed when Favre regained his mojo in 2007?

Do I have a bead on it now?

Heck no pbmax.

I'm merely a Green Bay Packer fan and a very little part, of what is an immense Packer Nation. I can't get all wrapped up in the everyday actions or inevitabilities of all things Green Bay Packer. I've been a sports fan for longer than most here on this board have breathed, belched and farted. I certainly realize when any, for lack of a better term, 'writing is on the wall'.

I'm actually surprized looking back on it all; that Brett Favre survived his actions in that Minny 'Wild card' playoff, 31-17 loss on Jan. 09, 2005.

Yet... on the brighter side as a Packer fan that must endure and accept all things Packer. The proof of that being the fact I'd be a member of 'the half century club' as a Green Bay Packer fan, if there was such a thing. By the way, if that does exist please point me in the direction of the application form.

That Brett Favre went on to lead the Green Bay Packers for three more seasons is another testament to his longevity and greatness.

I re-call very well how I felt, on the day that Brett Favre finally escaped the 'no help for him' ways of Ted Thompson. The stuff that was negative between Favre and Thompson and preceded anything post 2007 and NFC Championship playoff loss to the New York GIANTS at Lambeau field.

In my view Brett Favre was mercifully traded to the New York Jets by Ted Thompson with a little push from the NFL HO. Brett Favre 'in a ball cap and holding a clip board', was beyond ugly to imagine. I was overjoyed for Brett Favre's new good fortune. His new NFL life....the adding to his legacy.

As long as Brett Favre wanted to play football and could do so very well I was going to remain intrigued as an NFL fan.

We're into a whole different discussion here on this thread now. My goal is simple. To see this board align for the greater part, for the greater good in terms of certain good taste and manners >>>>karma. To arrive in support of Brett Favre and his receiving the honor of the ceremony he certainly and richly deserves.

So many Packer fans fail to place themselves in his shoes when he decided that he wanted to return to the Green Bay Packers again for the 2008 season. When the Green Bay Packers just wanted him too, in terms of playing another NFL game, simply and clearly go away. That to the extent of almost 2/3's fulfilling the remainder of his contract with what must have constituted to him and in terms of his focus and goal 'a simple bribe' of $20 million$.

Do you realize the insult that offered to Brett Favre and to any Packer fans that did enjoy his contributions as a Green Bay Packer. That was terribly mishandled in terms of any proper regards or respect for Brett Favre and his rights of freedom as an American citizen and Pro athlete.

If that insult has been forgiven by Brett Favre. My question is why hold any of the mistakes he made in this ugly divorce with the Packers against him.

Once the Green Bay Packers traded Brett Favre. Any consequences of that decision against the Green Bay Packers must lie with that decision. This is exactly 'a no brainer'. End of story.

Looking at that trade of Brett Favre to the New York Jets closer.

Have you ever got down to listing all of the truly great Pro sports athletes in the four major sports of NFL football, MLB, NBA and NHL; that were traded from their original team and went on to be later honoured in their original teams HOF and their leagues HOF?

Here's another inside on that trade and me. I'm first and foremost a Green Bay Packer fan. As loud as I may cheer. As much as I might hope that my Packers win every game. The realist in me knows that's impossible. The realist in me knew full well, that one day Brett Favre would no longer lead my team.

As I wrote above. I was so relieved to see the relationship 'no relationship', between Brett Favre and Ted Thompson come to a halt. We certainly knew that Favre's last season as a Packer didn't start out very well over TT's bungling efforts in landing Randy Moss. I'm merely mentioning that as a clear example of what Brett Favre may have felt was 'non support' on the behalf of his teams GM. I look at that as simply another example of where Ted Thompson is lacking and in my observation hasn't grown.

Yet this and the Brett Favre trade, as a man that always looks for 'the silver lining' as the best outcome:

I was happy for Aaron Rodgers to finally get the ball to lead the Packer offense. In my view it was his time and 'now or forever gone'. The risks of losing the heir apparent to Brett Favre (if Brett Favre had been allowed to lead the Green Bay Packers again in the 2008 season) was evident.

In my final view and as it now remains. Everyone was a winner to some degree. The 'who bested who thingy.

That's for other people (other Packer fans) to flurry about and to amuse themselves in tireless pointless discussion.

The bottom line and to this Packer fan it's really and truly all this:

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Which three players are the Packer going to have to send to Mississippi to talk Bert into coming to Green Bay? Do you suppose Chilly will be available to pick him up at the airport?

Awesome funny post LP.

:-) X NO. 4 X 10 !

Good one Packer fan.

[woodbuck27]

It also means that something close to 23 GMs have no brains.

Ohh ... come on pb.

You obviously can distinguish the difference between the terms 'a no brainer' and 'no brains'.

When Aaron Rodgers was sitting on his haunches, as round one of the draft reached it's final third stage and wondering if he'd ever be picked. Ted Thompson took hold of an obvious feather for his cap; having for some time the prospective NO. 1 draft pick >>>>>> fall to him.

That pick like many other GM's 1st Round picks might have turned out to be a bust. As we now enjoy Aaron Rodgers. TT's picking him might even be considered brilliant by all but 'the less' naïve.

[gbgary]

I seem to remember you were a big Favre fan.

weren't we all? the orchestrated move to minn, and all subsequent events, ended that.

[George Cumby]

Mother of God.

Are we conducting yet another post-mortem on this?

Or is everyone just responding the ravings of one very passionate yet deluded and possibly crazy Canadian?

Fuggit, I'll bite because I want to be a team player and get this crappy thread to 500.

IMO, Favre is a narcissistic douche. He is an immature, self-serving, self-centered, dickpick-taking middle age man who failed miserably at transitioning into that middle age.

He was perhaps the best regular season player of all time. His best moments were truly breath-taking. He is a first round HOFer and deserves to have his number retired by the Packers.

IMO, there is no need to delve too deeply into the man-child's psyche when pondering his messy separation from the Packers. His feelings were hurt and he reacted the way a spoiled and over-indulged child reacts when their feeelings are hurt. He/she throws a tantrum. (Now if I were to go Freudian here, I would say his powerful reaction stemmed from deep-seated feelings of rejection and not being good enough to please ole' Irv. Or not.)

TT is a great GM. he and M3 handled the divorce pretty well although there were some real cockups. I still don't get the locker thing.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ted Thompson traded Brett Favre to NFL Siberia or the New York Jets. We saw Brett Favre re-generate 'the Jets' during the 2008 season. Elevating them from a 4 win season in 2007 to 10 wins and an almost playoff berth in 2008. After that 2008 season, Brett Favre advised the New York Jets that they should not count on his services in the 2009 season or find another QB. As you may re-call as that season concluded Brett Favre's arm was impaired (with a shoulder injury ) as I re-call it.

For accuracy's sake, the Jets finished with 9 wins (not 10) in 2008. Favre threw for 22 TDs (6 in one game) and 22 interceptions. I think Rodgers would be so embarrassed with those stats that he'd probably retire if he ever had stats that bad. Mostly joking. Favre was a bit better than his stats, but Thompson made the right decision. Favre couldn't get it down late in the season in cold weather come playoff time anymore. It was time to give the reins to the young guy (who Thompson knew happened to be ultra-talented, even if nobody else did).

[HarveyWallbangers]

Mother of God.

Are we conducting yet another post-mortem on this?

Or is everyone just responding the ravings of one very passionate yet deluded and possibly crazy Canadian?

Fuggit, I'll bite because I want to be a team player and get this crappy thread to 500.

IMO, Favre is a narcissistic douche. He is an immature, self-serving, self-centered, dickpick-taking middle age man who failed miserably at transitioning into that middle age.

He was perhaps the best regular season player of all time. His best moments were truly breath-taking. He is a first round HOFer and deserves to have his number retired by the Packers.

IMO, there is no need to delve too deeply into the man-child's psyche when pondering his messy separation from the Packers. His feelings were hurt and he reacted the way a spoiled and over-indulged child reacts when their feeelings are hurt. He/she throws a tantrum. (Now if I were to go Freudian here, I would say his powerful reaction stemmed from deep-seated feelings of rejection and not being good enough to please ole' Irv. Or not.)

TT is a great GM. he and M3 handled the divorce pretty well although there were some real cockups. I still don't get the locker thing.

Man, this is exactly how I feel.

[pbmax]

Ohh ... come on pb.

You obviously can distinguish the difference between the terms 'a no brainer' and 'no brains'.

When Aaron Rodgers was sitting on his haunches, as round one of the draft reached it's final third stage and wondering if he'd ever be picked. Ted Thompson took hold of an obvious feather for his cap; having for some time the prospective NO. 1 draft pick >>>>>> fall to him.

That pick like many other GM's 1st Round picks might have turned out to be a bust. As we now enjoy Aaron Rodgers. TT's picking him might even be considered brilliant by all but 'the less' naïve.

Its a play on words woodbuck.

And only in retrospect can the pick be called an obvious feather in his cap or a no-brainer. Rodgers was not a mortal lock for the top of the first round like Elway, Manning or Luck. And it wasn't a position of immediate need. The fact that he is an All Pro now doesn't make the decision any less risky.

[pbmax]

I'm actually surprized looking back on it all; that Brett Favre survived his actions in that Minny 'Wild card' playoff, 31-17 loss on Jan. 09, 2005.

snip

That Brett Favre went on to lead the Green Bay Packers for three more seasons is another testament to his longevity and greatness.

Thank you for answering my question. I was curious about what the ice fishing story was meant to tell us.



Have you ever got down to listing all of the truly great Pro sports athletes in the four major sports of NFL football, MLB, NBA and NHL; that were traded from their original team and went on to be later honoured in their original teams HOF and their leagues HOF?

This is rhetorical, right? Because the list is very long and I am sure you would know even more Hockey players on it than I would.

[Zool]

Mother of God.

Are we conducting yet another post-mortem on this?

Or is everyone just responding the ravings of one very passionate yet deluded and possibly crazy Canadian?

Fuggit, I'll bite because I want to be a team player and get this crappy thread to 500.

IMO, Favre is a narcissistic douche. He is an immature, self-serving, self-centered, dickpick-taking middle age man who failed miserably at transitioning into that middle age.

He was perhaps the best regular season player of all time. His best moments were truly breath-taking. He is a first round HOFer and deserves to have his number retired by the Packers.

IMO, there is no need to delve too deeply into the man-child's psyche when pondering his messy separation from the Packers. His feelings were hurt and he reacted the way a spoiled and over-indulged child reacts when their feeelings are hurt. He/she throws a tantrum. (Now if I were to go Freudian here, I would say his powerful reaction stemmed from deep-seated feelings of rejection and not being good enough to please ole' Irv. Or not.)

TT is a great GM. he and M3 handled the divorce pretty well although there were some real cockups. I still don't get the locker thing.

Right on GC. He, like many other pro athletes, has Peter Pan Syndrome. Never forced to grow up, and then for some reason we're surprised when they act like children.

He burned bridges on purpose on his way out of town and has done nothing publicly to build them up again. We really need to put this thing to bed once and for all.

[woodbuck27]

For accuracy's sake, the Jets finished with 9 wins (not 10) in 2008. Favre threw for 22 TDs (6 in one game) and 22 interceptions. I think Rodgers would be so embarrassed with those stats that he'd probably retire if he ever had stats that bad. Mostly joking. Favre was a bit better than his stats, but Thompson made the right decision. Favre couldn't get it down late in the season in cold weather come playoff time anymore. It was time to give the reins to the young guy (who Thompson knew happened to be ultra-talented, even if nobody else did).

Yes Harvey. Thanks 'a bunch' for your analysis of my post and appropriate correction (s).

'YOU' always being exempt from any error. I wouldn't expect less from you. That including pointing out 'any negative'.

Thanks again Harvey. :-D

Yet ... wasn't it nice for Brett Favre to land with a real team in the 2009 season? A team in the same conference and same division as his former team the Green Bay Packers.

Why not this Harvey?:

Would you care to post the Minnesota Vikings record with Brett Favre behind center in 2009? If so and while your at it. Post Favre's stat's with the Vikings in 2009. I'm sure you would agree such a post demonstrates just how much Brett Favre had in his tank after the Green Bay Packers tried to force him out of the NFL. Just how much 'the Legend' was extended and might have been extended; less the dirty tactics of the NO Saints in the 2009 Season NFC Championship game.

It's all that positive stuff I'll be re-calling when I cheer the loudest for Brett Favre when his number is retired and he enters the Green Bay Packers HOF.

While the likes of you will still be tasting 'sour grapes'. The wine will be so sweet for me. :wink:

[woodbuck27]

Thank you for answering my question. I was curious about what the ice fishing story was meant to tell us.




This is rhetorical, right? Because the list is very long and I am sure you would know even more Hockey players on it than I would.

The list is...................................very long.

[woodbuck27]

Right on GC. He, like many other pro athletes, has Peter Pan Syndrome. Never forced to grow up, and then for some reason we're surprised when they act like children.

He burned bridges on purpose on his way out of town and has done nothing publicly to build them up again. We really need to put this thing to bed once and for all.

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

[woodbuck27]

Mother of God.

Are we conducting yet another post-mortem on this?

Or is everyone just responding the ravings of one very passionate yet deluded and possibly crazy Canadian?

Fuggit, I'll bite because I want to be a team player and get this crappy thread to 500.

IMO, Favre is a narcissistic douche. He is an immature, self-serving, self-centered, dickpick-taking middle age man who failed miserably at transitioning into that middle age.

He was perhaps the best regular season player of all time. His best moments were truly breath-taking. He is a first round HOFer and deserves to have his number retired by the Packers.

IMO, there is no need to delve too deeply into the man-child's psyche when pondering his messy separation from the Packers. His feelings were hurt and he reacted the way a spoiled and over-indulged child reacts when their feeelings are hurt. He/she throws a tantrum. (Now if I were to go Freudian here, I would say his powerful reaction stemmed from deep-seated feelings of rejection and not being good enough to please ole' Irv. Or not.)

TT is a great GM. he and M3 handled the divorce pretty well although there were some real cockups. I still don't get the locker thing.

Hello George.

I'm simply interested and not by this post feeling any need of defending my sanity. I am sane and so much so that I defer from launching attacks on posters here that clearly deserve such. That except in exceptional cases when it's 'just wrong' to sit idly by when some cornpone idiot is planting his /her damaging to the forum agenda.

Is it generally the case and you? That whenever someone takes a position different than you might take. That that person is automatically .....crazy?

Also just something to think about. Don't mix up excessive passion for anyone's fervour to see it right.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

You have sussed out the Packers power play, but do you see Favre's power play?

[ThunderDan]

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

If I retired from my job and the company I worked for replaced me with someone else I would realize I did a pretty stupid thing and be happy that the company offered me 2/3 of my salary to do public appearances.

If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from.

[pbmax]

If I retired from my job and the company I worked for replaced me with someone else I would realize I did a pretty stupid thing and be happy that the company offered me 2/3 of my salary to do public appearances.

If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from.

You can't keep giving people the answers in advance of the test Dan!

[ThunderDan]

You can't keep giving people the answers in advance of the test Dan!

Sorry about jumping too far ahead.

Here's another point I was just thinking of, if BF was truly the "wronged" party in the GB Packer break-up, why let your family members wear ThanksTed Viking jerseys? He could have taken the high road but didn't.

[Zool]

If your in your early 40's and your employer informed you that your being replaced in your position by another employee.

On top of that your also being forced into retirement; and 'of course' with a 'Separation Package' that includes 'only 2/3's of your next prorated three years salary. For which you will be asked to do occasional public appearances on behalf of the company that canned you.

Also....that by accepting this 'Separation Package' you will remain retired forever.

How in hell would that grab your ass, Zool? Would you be grateful too ecstatically pleased?

In your scenario, am I a professional athlete? Have I "retired" 3 times already? Has that company given me $100,000,000?

[pbmax]

That's the part no one remembers now. Everyone who had not been paying close attention thought he and M3 were out of their mind. That it could not be explained as anything other than a moral and personal failure.

[woodbuck27]

If I retired from my job and the company I worked for replaced me with someone else I would realize I did a pretty stupid thing and be happy that the company offered me 2/3 of my salary to do public appearances.

If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from.

I'd like to break your post down, into two parts for simplicity sake.

Of course... we're referring to Brett Favre, and not you or I or anyone else and any capability, in terms related to stupidity, ThunderDan. We're focusing on an attempt at some consideration for Brett Favre's feelings. That specifically given his 2007 season:

What is this 'stupid thing' you make reference too ThunderDan? Something stupid and Brett Favre !?

I'm curious of your response. Given that Brett Favre has an ego and an extreme measure of determination demonstrated by his owning the record book for NFL QB stats. That and his amazing 'almost super human' record for longevity and endurance. Favre's standing record for consecutive NFL game starts not just for NFL QB's but among all regular position players.

Add all that to this:

'Of course'... your aware that Brett Favre played arguably his most outstanding season in 2007 and was runner-up NFL MVP !

So again Thunderdan....what was this 'stupid thing' that he did to lose his No. 1 QB job with the Green Bay Packers?

Now this:

" If I had a non-compete and still wanted to work I would go to my ex-employer and find a suitable arrangement for me to work someplace else knowing my position was already filled and[B] it wouldn't be fair to the new guy to ask management to can-his-ass so I could get my old job back that I retired from. " ThunderDan

Favre didn't ask the Packers to can Aaron Rodgers ass. Please don't add any more of your muck to the facts...Thanks. In fact, given the obvious that Brett Favre wanted and felt he deserved his job back...Favre felt bad for Aaron Rodgers. Brett Favre's on record saying as much ThunderDan. Brett Favre isn't 'the really bad man' that you and some here want to paint him as.

Why don't you take the time to read more about this whole thing and at least be fair to yourself or look for 'the TRUTH'? This certainly isn't as you prefer a neat 'black or white' issue and Brett Favre and Packers divorce.

Favre simply asked for a fair chance to compete for the NO. 1 starting QB position, after he decided to return to the Green Bay Packers for the 2008 season. He knew that he would easily smother Aaron Rodgers in any such competition. Aaron Rodgers was prepared for a real fight with Brett Favre in TC but the 'reality bell' had to be ringing for him. Aaron Rodgers had to know that it was sure beginning again to look like another season, at least starting off with him holding a clip board, as so many other QB's had been re-buffed by Brett Favre to do.

I believe that MM also knew that Favre would win out if there was a real competition and that a competition would 'only' offer awkwardness. Such 'a competition' would be in the full sight of Packer fans. There were still many Brett Favre fans remaining in Packer Nation. The greatest issue was that that scenario would very likely lead Aaron Rodgers out of Green Bay.

It got down to the reality of the matter.The problem was that MM clearly informed Favre that he would be welcomed back in the fold and allowed to compete but would be designated the #2 QB in all Pre- Season games and so as we often see MM do. Talk out both sides of his mouth.

This is Brett Favre we're talking about and this competition ... 'no competition' ... wasn't going to wash. Favre was getting pretty well used up on the BS that was coming from MM and an almost always absent or invisible Ted Thompson.

Thus the request for an outright release and with a 'no' there .... a trade. Ted Thompson even screwed that one up in terms of 'any decency and respect' for Brett Favre.

PACKERS !

[pbmax]

what was this 'stupid thing'

He retired.

[ThunderDan]

To your response.

1. The stupid thing BF did was retire. No one forced him to retire. No one made him go on TV with Deanne next to him and retire. At that point the Packers needed to move on. Not doing so would have been stupid. If TT and MM had done nothing and hoped that BF returned for 2008 I would have called for them to be fired. TT &MM committed to ARod which any team in the NFL would have done.
2. If BF came back to the Pack and got the starting position he is basically canning Rodgers. Rodgers would be sitting on the bench again doing nothing waiting to get out of GB. Talk about not remebering the facts you said BF only wanted to have a real competion for the QB position. That is exactly the conversation BF and MM had after the Family Night game. MM inferred that BF was not willing to compete and that the job should be his be default.

I find it funny that when anyone disagrees with you and points out a FACT; you state they can't accept "THE TRUTH". The only person here who isn't being honest is you. If you look back about 250 pages ago I put down what BF should have done. I'll leave that up to you to find.

Just so you don't think I hate Favre the football player, I think his number should be retire by GB before he goes into the footballl HOF. BF gave the Packers a chance to win every week. It was his off the field issues I have a problem with.

[ThunderDan]

He retired.

Now you are answering for someone else!

[Cleft Crusty]

Where is Mr. Scott Campbell when this forum needs balanced, reasoned discussion of the Brett Favre saga?

[woodbuck27]

In your scenario, am I a professional athlete? Have I "retired" 3 times already? Has that company given me $100,000,000?

So what has that got to do with 'the price of tea in China' Zool ?

Brett Favre was a Pro athlete with every right that offered him to play football professionally. To not be allowed or forced to not do so; by any TT/MM/Mark Murphy BS. that focused on preserving his status/legend or otherwise.

Brett Favre wanted to win another Super Bowl ring. Accepting the Green Bay position wasn't going to assist his strong desire to achieve that.

Whatever he earned in his long career; whatever he had accomplished prior to June-August 2008 was moot; had zero bearing on his future needs and desires. Playing for a sincerely focused and competitive NFL team.

When that team couldn't be 'the Green Bay Packers'. Brett Favre merely exercised his freedom of rights to pursue his dream elsewhere.

If he was being rejected by the Green Bay Packers ( for future with Aaron Rodgers) so be it. There was no imaginable way that Brett Favre was going to be a back-up to any NFL QB. Certainly not after the season he shined in or the 2007 season.

Brett Favre merely meant to force the issue to be able to get back in the real mix elsewhere. He didn't want to be paid off as some 'token spokesperson' for the Green Bay Packers. Before such was ripe in terms of both deserving and coming. Brett Favre 'in fact' needed to get away from the shackles he must have felt playing for a team managed by Ted Thompson. I believe that both he and Ted Thompson certainly knew that to be the case.

To somehow manage to overcome that 'obvious for him handicap, or Ted Thompson's ways. Under that condition and to still almost see the job done; speaks mountains for Brett Favre 'the man'.

I believe that the real TRUTH was that Brett Favre was as ecstatic to get traded as I was as a Packer fan to see him freed of the TT yoke.

The 'only' noise that he made leaving the Green Bay Packers was in my view his hurt of leaving behind the great fans and people of Green Bay that did support him. As I viewed it all. The 'only noise' should have been the almost silent sigh of relief and pure joy getting out from under Ted Thompson.

I don't believe that Brett Favre and Ted Thompson were very close. Too much informed me of that as a fact. I do believe that Brett Favre has done his best to make it all go away to smooth over any ruffled feelings. It's Ted Thompson, who has remained extremely awkward, as is his nature, in this matter.

As it's been pointed out previously in this thread. TT's awkwardness is no longer a factor and anything Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers in the future.

As far as the way it all went down. Both sides and not just Brett Favre made errors. In hindsight it certainly could have been handled better. Unfortunately we're dealing with huge ego's in terms of Brett Favre and Ted Thompson. In such cases there is often a mess.

It's now left to sensible Green Bay Packer fans to get it right again.

GO PACK GO !

[3irty1]

I think they should give #4 to a punter named something like "John Asshole" then retire John's number and hang that in the bowl.

[Zool]

So what has that got to do with 'the price of tea in China' Zool ?


I edited this because it was a ridiculous reply. He retired, threw a tantrum, and wanted revenge for getting $100,000,000. You are so completely blinded by your fandom for #4 that you don't want to see anything else. You don't discuss things, you just put up walls of text. I won't be replying again.

[woodbuck27]

Where is Mr. Scott Campbell when this forum needs balanced, reasoned discussion of the Brett Favre saga?

Please 'M'... with that post your credibility reminds me of 'the Bismarck'.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJMFdkYVc2dy_8U6KSenc1fdrebuJ06 SLGbmbNWTmGRk1IVz0b

SINKING !

[woodbuck27]

He retired.

No he didn't 'again'.

Brett Favre has explained that retiring and not over and over in extreme.

The Green Bay Packer certainly couldn't take Favre seriously and that. They might use that though to their advantage in de-commissioning Brett Favre. Am I the only Packer fan that saw that angle?

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I edited this because it was a ridiculous reply. He retired, threw a tantrum, and wanted revenge for getting $100,000,000. You are so completely blinded by your fandom for #4 that you don't want to see anything else. You don't discuss things, you just put up walls of text. I won't be replying again.

You still don't get it. I was 'in fact' incredibly happy for Brett Favre that he got away from Ted Thompson.

To the rest of your post:

Cool. Have a great day.

GO PACK GO !

[George Cumby]

Hello George.

I'm simply interested and not by this post feeling any need of defending my sanity. I am sane and so much so that I defer from launching attacks on posters here that clearly deserve such. That except in exceptional cases when it's 'just wrong' to sit idly by when some cornpone idiot is planting his /her damaging to the forum agenda.

Is it generally the case and you? That whenever someone takes a position different than you might take. That that person is automatically .....crazy?

Also just something to think about. Don't mix up excessive passion for anyone's fervour to see it right.

GO PACK GO !

Woody, just to be clear, when I make jabs like that, I mean it in an affectionate way.

[ThunderDan]

For accuracy's sake, the Jets finished with 9 wins (not 10) in 2008. Favre threw for 22 TDs (6 in one game) and 22 interceptions. I think Rodgers would be so embarrassed with those stats that he'd probably retire if he ever had stats that bad. Mostly joking. Favre was a bit better than his stats, but Thompson made the right decision. Favre couldn't get it down late in the season in cold weather come playoff time anymore. It was time to give the reins to the young guy (who Thompson knew happened to be ultra-talented, even if nobody else did).

Also for accuracy's sake, in 2009 the Jets also finsihed 9-7 and made the playoffs. The lost in the AFC Championship game to the Colts. They were led by Mark Sanchez who during the regular season was 196/364 2,444 Yards 12 Tds 20 INTs and a 63.0 QB Rating.

[Fritz]

I think they should give #4 to a punter named something like "John Asshole" then retire John's number and hang that in the bowl.


How about giving it to that new wide receiver they just signed - Richard Pic?

[woodbuck27]

To your response.

1. The stupid thing BF did was retire. No one forced him to retire. No one made him go on TV with Deanne next to him and retire. At that point the Packers needed to move on. Not doing so would have been stupid. If TT and MM had done nothing and hoped that BF returned for 2008 I would have called for them to be fired. TT &MM committed to ARod which any team in the NFL would have done.
2. If BF came back to the Pack and got the starting position he is basically canning Rodgers. Rodgers would be sitting on the bench again doing nothing waiting to get out of GB. Talk about not remebering the facts you said BF only wanted to have a real competion for the QB position. That is exactly the conversation BF and MM had after the Family Night game. MM inferred that BF was not willing to compete and that the job should be his be default.

I find it funny that when anyone disagrees with you and points out a FACT; you state they can't accept "THE TRUTH". The only person here who isn't being honest is you. If you look back about 250 pages ago I put down what BF should have done. I'll leave that up to you to find.

Just so you don't think I hate Favre the football player, I think his number should be retire by GB before he goes into the footballl HOF. BF gave the Packers a chance to win every week. It was his off the field issues I have a problem with.

1. The stupid thing BF did was retire. No one forced him to retire. No one made him go on TV with Deanne next to him and retire. ThunderDan

Your aware that at that time and (maybe?) for the past dozen years that Brett Favre was 'a premier NFL icon', if not 'the premier Icon' in the NFL?

Brett Favre has explained that retirement talk very well in terms of his giving so much of himself in a season. That after that 2007 season and NFC Championship game loss to the New York GIANTS and actually feeling burned out.

He has basically said that he was so sick of the media always pressuring him about the next season. That it was just simpler to say he was retired 'when in fact', he wasn't retired. Is that confusing? Yes it is to a degree; yet it also makes sense, in terms of a need for privacy.

'No less' Favre explains it in that sense.

Just try to find and read his statements about this in his own words and do so with an open mind as to their authenticity.

You write that 'you' would call for the heads of TT and MM if Brett Favre returned in 2008.

That clearly wasn't going to happen. It was clearly from a solid management standpoint. Aaron Rodgers time to be the Packers starting QB. If Brett Favre did anything stupid and really ever desiring to play in the NFL again. 'It was ever even mentioning retiring'; and as a result making their job of getting rid of him, by virtually burying him as an NFL QB.... easier.

In the beginning I simply wished that the Packers released Brett Favre to find his own way. I felt that he deserved that respect. I later came to see that wasn't best.

2. " If BF came back to the Pack and got the starting position he is basically canning Rodgers. Rodgers would be sitting on the bench again doing nothing waiting to get out of GB. Talk about not remebering the facts you said BF only wanted to have a real competion for the QB position. That is exactly the conversation BF and MM had after the Family Night game. MM inferred that BF was not willing to compete and that the job should be his be default. " ThunderDan

Of course... here I have to agree with you ThunderDan. Any competition between Favre and Rodgers risked Favre winning such competition. Brett Favre merely wanted what MM offered him when he departed Mississippi for Green Bay in early August 2008 for the Packers TC. A 'real competition' for the NO. 1 QB position. I place the accent on the word 'real'. Of course ... MM has been known to change lanes rather fast.

The fact was that when Brett Favre and his wife (Deanna) and his agent (Bus Cook) arrived in Green Bay. Then and suddenly 'the rules' for such competition were re-qualified. MM informed Brett Favre that Aaron Rodgers would start every Pre-Season game; and more than likely be given more playing time than Favre had in prior TC Pre- Season games from seasons past.

Does this scenario appear even marginally close to any fair competition for the NO. 1 QB position ThunderDan?

Brett Favre correctly deemed it not fair and again asked to be outright released or traded. Brett favre exercised his option of common sense and a demand for fairness or see yaa. He acted the exact same way that Aaron Rodgers would have if Aaron had to ride the pine again in another season.

Brett Favre wasn't going to waste anyone's time, with any scenario that certainly looked like he would be the Green Bay Packers back-up QB. Such a decision in terms of anything NOT Green Bay Packers was simply ridiculous. He was forced to ask to be able to play elsewhere given his focus of winning another Super Bowl.

It was after that stand by MM that Brett Favre may have totally realized his days as a Green Bay Packer were over.

"I find it funny that when anyone disagrees with you and points out a FACT; you state they can't accept "THE TRUTH". " ThunderDan

That is by far a false claim against me and my integrity ThunderDan.

If I take a position and in so doing discover an error in that position. I'll admit such error. If I feel my position has merit. I'll also stand my ground, 'no matter ' how unpopular that position is, with any poster or group of posters here. I never assume to become Mr. Popularity.

I always fight for what's best.

"Just so you don't think I hate Favre the football player, I think his number should be retire by GB before he goes into the footballl HOF. BF gave the Packers a chance to win every week." ThunderDan

That decision must be made before the Green Bay Packer organization is subjected to anymore undo embarrassment. The way the Favre divorce was handled certainly left much to be desired.

If Brett Favre adds more complication to this, as I presently see the TRUTH. I won't be pleased.

I don't expect to see TT or MM say too much as their sad play in the mess is too obvious now to me. Your maybe not capable of seeing it as your obviously in league with any Packer fans that judge Brett Favre.

The hurt that Brett Favre felt must have been horrendous. That's so sad but as the saying goes. Shit happens ! It wasn't the first time nor will it be the last that a Pro Sports Organization has to deal unfairly/harshly with a once former 'star player'.

I even agree now with TT's decision to get something for Brett Favre in a trade. He (maybe?) darn well knew that Favre would come back to haunt him one day. This is Brett Favre and how any Packer fan faults him for being Brett Favre is way over my head in terms of common sense or decent reasoning.

I hate the way that Favre might have 'in fact' learned of the team he was actually traded too; or the New York Jets. When... as he claims, he thought it was going to be the Tampa bay BUCS. That he and Ted Thompson had agreed that would be his destination out of Green Bay. That Brett Favre believed that he would be a Tampa Bay BUC when he left Ted Thompson and Green Bay to return home to Mississippi.

I understand how it may have gone down without anymore communication from Ted Thompson. Ted Thompson isn't exactly the smoothest of men when it comes to common sense, decency and respect and PR skills.

GO PACK GO !

[3irty1]

How about giving it to that new wide receiver they just signed - Richard Pic?

How about telling him we'll retire it in September, then changing our minds.

Then telling him we'll retire it in December 2014 and changing our minds.

Then we retire it at his funeral.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, just to be clear, when I make jabs like that, I mean it in an affectionate way.

Then call me 'Tickle Me Elmo'. :mrgreen:

[woodbuck27]

How about telling him we'll retire it in September, then changing our minds.

Then telling him we'll retire it in December 2014 and changing our minds.

Then we retire it at his funeral.

WOW!

That's really mean. What kinds pills brings that stuff out in you?

I suggest 'cheerios' first thing at breakfast. It's get you whistling/cheerful all day long.

[pbmax]

Now you are answering for someone else!

Fair point, but this time he asked for an answer!

[pbmax]

No he didn't 'again'.

Brett Favre has explained that retiring and not over and over in extreme.

The Green Bay Packer certainly couldn't take Favre seriously and that. They might use that though to their advantage in de-commissioning Brett Favre. Am I the only Packer fan that saw that angle?

PACKERS !

I am pretty sure I remember the press conference. And the tears.

Football isn't boxing and you can't just step back into the ring where you left off and choose your opponent.

After a decade of flirting with retirement to get the Packers brass committed to winning now, it was clear his agenda conflicted with the Packers. It was a piece with the other power plays he had pulled as acting GM with the Packers. Thompson countered with a play of his own (plus M3 and Murphy) and got a 3rd round pick and one year of peace. Favre got his money and his payback a year later.

It was one of the ugliest business negotiations outside of a Hollywood divorce ever carried on basic cable. But the Packers got a Super Bow victory AND another half decade + of being talented enough to earn another one. It was a wise decision, poorly executed.

[MJZiggy]

I am pretty sure I remember the press conference. And the tears.

Football isn't boxing and you can't just step back into the ring where you left off and choose your opponent.

After a decade of flirting with retirement to get the Packers brass committed to winning now, it was clear his agenda conflicted with the Packers. It was a piece with the other power plays he had pulled as acting GM with the Packers. Thompson countered with a play of his own (plus M3 and Murphy) and got a 3rd round pick and one year of peace. Favre got his money and his payback a year later.

It was one of the ugliest business negotiations outside of a Hollywood divorce ever carried on basic cable. But the Packers got a Super Bow victory AND another half decade + of being talented enough to earn another one. It was a wise decision, poorly executed.
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[Scott Campbell]

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[woodbuck27]

I am pretty sure I remember the press conference. And the tears.

Football isn't boxing and you can't just step back into the ring where you left off and choose your opponent.

After a decade of flirting with retirement to get the Packers brass committed to winning now, it was clear his agenda conflicted with the Packers. It was a piece with the other power plays he had pulled as acting GM with the Packers. Thompson countered with a play of his own (plus M3 and Murphy) and got a 3rd round pick and one year of peace. Favre got his money and his payback a year later.

It was one of the ugliest business negotiations outside of a Hollywood divorce ever carried on basic cable. But the Packers got a Super Bow victory AND another half decade + of being talented enough to earn another one. It was a wise decision, poorly executed.

No one could ever say that Favre wasn't an emotional Pro athlete. Favre carried his emotions on his sleeve.

Hindsight is 20/20 and looking back on it all the real problem begins in my honest estimation when MM doesn't tell TT to make it clear to Brett Favre that there will be a change at QB in the 2008 season. That a decision has been made to move ahead with Aaron Rodgers.

Brett Favre then had to make a decision to either stay 'finally' retired , ask for his outright release or a trade.

It got really silly when he was offered what constituted a payout to stay retired, when he began to waffle again as he did RE: former retirements. If he wasn't going to be allowed to be the NO. 1 QB given his service to the Packers and he wanted to be an NFL starter. He deserved to be treated with proper honesty and respect. All the moaning and groaning on MM's part doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't stand 100% firm and inform Brett Favre well before TC was to open. That under no circumstance would he be the NO. 1 QB in Green Bay in 2008. That Aaron Rodgers was ready and couldn't be left on the sidelines any longer.

What was TT's part in this whole thing? As I view it now. Ted Thompson isn't emotionally equipped to deal with such things. I don't see TT as the strongest of men and in fact far from that. I believe that TT knew that MM wanted Aaron Rodgers in and IMO given all the circumstances that was a correct decision.

I agree with you pbmax. it was horribly and incompetently handled. It was one of those situations where the best thing was for both sides to just completely let go of the other and allow for 'come what may'.

What we suffered as Packer fans is a clear example of one side (the Green Bay Packers) trying to overpower another and that side (Brett Favre) balking. Brett Favre isn't an easy man to overpower.

He wasn't going to 'no retirement'. Think Amy Winehouse.

Certainly no retirement after coming so close again in the 2007 season to reaching his dream. Certainly not after a very near NFL MVP season. Brett Favre was never a Pro athlete that played it safe. He always went down swinging and that made him my kind of man.

Have you seen the great movie 'the Hobbit'? If Favre was acting in that movie he would certainly have played a part as one of the Dwarves. A fearless and at times careless fighter. Some Packer fans want to act towards him like he's an Orc of Isengard because of his mere humanity.

That man made some mistakes and for all those that live perfect lives. I ask you to first re-consider before exercising any option of throwing the first stone or joining in 'with the angry mob', to otherwise persecute Brett Favre. Those that take their Packer fan status to a level far too serious.

For the rest of you that are 'just as I am' or 'far from perfect'. Try to temper your judgements and admonitions. I promise you this. That is by far the very best stance.

GO PACK GO!

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Woodbuck,

I am/was a big Brett Favre fan, but the guy was mostly (if not totally) at fault for how that went down. If you don't see that then you simply aren't being objective. Favre has another side to him then that includes selfishness, anger, stubbornness, and entitlement that we couldn't (or at least I couldn't) see through all the laughter, fist pumps, and touchdown celebrations throughout the years.

Favre has a great personality and he makes it easy for you to like him. The way he used to play the game made football extremely fun to watch, but unforgettably that will not be my only memories I will have of him. I will also remember him going on national TV to throw his life long team under the bus, sending pictures of himself to a cheerleader, and retiring from the Jets clearly to escape his contract with them to play for the Vikings.

If Brett was such a wholesome good guy like we all thought he was then what happened to honoring your contract? Didn't he call Javon Walker out for not honoring his contract? I find it funny that he retires from the jets, who then promptly release him, just so he can sign with the Vikings. What happened to his principles that he supposedly once felt so strongly about? Or are we supposed to believe that retiring from the Jets after the season was b/c "he couldn't commit to the team at that present time." Take off the Brett Favre sun glasses bro and enjoy the good times and realize the bad.

[ThunderDan]

You write that 'you' would call for the heads of TT and MM if Brett Favre returned in 2008.


This sentence that you wrote I think clearly illustrates your issues. I did not write that. I think you see a post from someone who you label a "Favre Hater" and you are so ready to write another novelle that you don't realize what was truly written.

I wrote that if BF retired and TT & MM did nothing but hope that BF would unretire for the 2008 season I would call for their jobs. TT and MM have to run the franchise. When BF retired, meaning isn't employed by the Packers anymore, they had to address the QB position.

And boy did they, the promoted ARod right away and even drafted 2 QBs (Brohm and Flynn) to make sure that they had a QB on the roster who could play. That's what a competent management team does. They don't sit on their asses and hope their future HOF QB who retired will come back and save the franchise in 2008.

[PackerBlues]

Yep, Brett's fault that everything went sour between him and the Packers. He should have been thrilled to just play out his final couple of good years with a team that went into rebuilding mode. Honestly, why would Favre, the first NFL player to win three consecutive AP MVP awards, get upset if his team decides to rebuild instead of trying to field the best team possibe for a push at the Super Bowl? I mean seriously, the man only allowed the Packers to restructure his contract a couple of times to free up money for free agent signings and such...... how dare he assume that the Packers front office would ever give a crap about what he thought.
If only Brett would have happily accepted the way that Thompson wanted him to lie down for the last couple of years he had left in him. He could have sat on the bench behind his replacement.......using that competitive fire we all loved so much, to keep the bench warm for Mr. Rodgers.

Unreal, lol. I am sorry, but I have to laugh at how people complain about Favre because of how he left the Packers, or because of where he went after he left. It takes two to tango kiddies. Yes, things would have went much smoother with a lot less drama if Favre would have either retired when Thompson pushed him towards it, or just sat on the bench as a second string to a freakin rookie. But we are talking about Brett Favre. While some may want to cherish memories of "Favre throwing his team under the bus" (lmao, really?) or for sending pics of his wiener to a cheerleader (like you have never sent a pic of your wiener to a cheerleader...), I choose to remember Favre for the amazing things he did while he was a Packer, such as playing the best game of his life the day after his father died. Or, hey.....do you remember watching him play in two Super Bowls? That was pretty freakin kewl!
I seriously think some of you are either to young to know what you are talking about, or you have a huge problem with empathy. If you were to put yourselves in Favre's shoes at the time that he left GB, if you were honest with yourselves, you would have likely have done a lot of the same things he did. Why stay with a team that is going to be rebuilding up until you retire? Especially, if you still feel that you have a few good years left in you? As for Favre going to the Jets, your damn right i would have made a back door deal with the Jets if I was in Favre's shoes. Why wouldnt Favre have wanted to play for the Vikings? I know damned well why Thompson didnt want Favre playing for the Vikings, lmao!!!! I have to wonder what might have been if Thompson had had the balls to simply release Favre, and put his money where his mouth was. Im guessing that if Favre hadnt had to waste a season playin for the Jets, he would have had one more ring....with the Vikings.

In the end, Favre was the same man that we all knew and loved, just in a different uniform. You cant blame him for wanting to continue to play, or for wanting to continue to win. The only thing you can bash him for, is for not allowing Thompson to push him into retirement, or for not wanting to sit on the bench for his last remaining couple of years. That is what it all really boils down to.

Oh, and as for Rodgers saying that it is past time for Favre to come back to the Packers so that they can retire his Jersey.......LMFAO. Get out of town with that garbage. Perhaps after M3 and Thompson are gone, lol.....but otherwise, I would just as soon see Favre retire as a Viking, its no less than some Packer "fans" deserve.

[pbmax]

What was TT's part in this whole thing? As I view it now. Ted Thompson isn't emotionally equipped to deal with such things. I don't see TT as the strongest of men and in fact far from that. I believe that TT knew that MM wanted Aaron Rodgers in and IMO given all the circumstances that was a correct decision.


I don't agree with this assessment of Thompson. If he was weak willed or unable to deal with emotional circumstances, then he would not have the draft philosophy he has. Not would he have the approach to FA he has.

There are are two other franchises who could have left their Pro Bowl QB at the altar because it was time to move on. The Patriots and the Steelers. The Patriots have done it before (though with an injury to Bledsoe to test drive Brady). And the Steelers just spent last year ignoring BenR and giving him an offensive coordinator and run game emphasis of their choosing, not his.

The Giants haven't had to do this with a QB since Simms/Hostetler so the jury is out there but I suspect they could do it. 49ers maybe as they benched Alex Smith, but he was not nearly the fixture the other QBs were. The Colts should be considered as well since Irsay engineered Manning's exit PLUS a tanked season to secure Luck.

[Pugger]

Good lord. Woodbuck here believes BF was forced to retire. :lol: Nonsense! If MM and TT thought he couldn't play anymore they wouldn't have gave a damn if he played for a divisional rival. Had Favre not retired after the 2007 season I truly believe he would have been our starter. But once he did retire and held that teary press conference MM went full speed ahead with Rodgers and never looked back. Back then the Jets were not the mess they are today. Brett showed he could still play and performed well until he got hurt. Heck, they were headed for the playoffs before he injured his shoulder. He then pretended to retire again. The reason I say 'pretend' is he asked NY to give him his release. Retired players do not make this kind of a request. It was plain he wanted out of that contract so he could go to the place he wanted to go all along - MN - so he could stick it to the franchise that made him a multimillionaire. He got his wish and joined the Vikes but tossed yet another INT and screwed the queens out of a SB berth and Rodgers played lights out a year later and won it all. I think we got the better end of this deal. BTW, I believe MM was the driving force behind wanting Favre to stay retired more than TT ever was.

[Fritz]

Yep, Brett's fault that everything went sour between him and the Packers. He should have been thrilled to just play out his final couple of good years with a team that went into rebuilding mode. Honestly, why would Favre, the first NFL player to win three consecutive AP MVP awards, get upset if his team decides to rebuild instead of trying to field the best team possibe for a push at the Super Bowl? I mean seriously, the man only allowed the Packers to restructure his contract a couple of times to free up money for free agent signings and such...... how dare he assume that the Packers front office would ever give a crap about what he thought.
If only Brett would have happily accepted the way that Thompson wanted him to lie down for the last couple of years he had left in him. He could have sat on the bench behind his replacement.......using that competitive fire we all loved so much, to keep the bench warm for Mr. Rodgers.

Unreal, lol. I am sorry, but I have to laugh at how people complain about Favre because of how he left the Packers, or because of where he went after he left. It takes two to tango kiddies. Yes, things would have went much smoother with a lot less drama if Favre would have either retired when Thompson pushed him towards it, or just sat on the bench as a second string to a freakin rookie. But we are talking about Brett Favre. While some may want to cherish memories of "Favre throwing his team under the bus" (lmao, really?) or for sending pics of his wiener to a cheerleader (like you have never sent a pic of your wiener to a cheerleader...), I choose to remember Favre for the amazing things he did while he was a Packer, such as playing the best game of his life the day after his father died. Or, hey.....do you remember watching him play in two Super Bowls? That was pretty freakin kewl!
I seriously think some of you are either to young to know what you are talking about, or you have a huge problem with empathy. If you were to put yourselves in Favre's shoes at the time that he left GB, if you were honest with yourselves, you would have likely have done a lot of the same things he did. Why stay with a team that is going to be rebuilding up until you retire? Especially, if you still feel that you have a few good years left in you? As for Favre going to the Jets, your damn right i would have made a back door deal with the Jets if I was in Favre's shoes. Why wouldnt Favre have wanted to play for the Vikings? I know damned well why Thompson didnt want Favre playing for the Vikings, lmao!!!! I have to wonder what might have been if Thompson had had the balls to simply release Favre, and put his money where his mouth was. Im guessing that if Favre hadnt had to waste a season playin for the Jets, he would have had one more ring....with the Vikings.

In the end, Favre was the same man that we all knew and loved, just in a different uniform. You cant blame him for wanting to continue to play, or for wanting to continue to win. The only thing you can bash him for, is for not allowing Thompson to push him into retirement, or for not wanting to sit on the bench for his last remaining couple of years. That is what it all really boils down to.

Oh, and as for Rodgers saying that it is past time for Favre to come back to the Packers so that they can retire his Jersey.......LMFAO. Get out of town with that garbage. Perhaps after M3 and Thompson are gone, lol.....but otherwise, I would just as soon see Favre retire as a Viking, its no less than some Packer "fans" deserve.

In case you've forgotten, one of Brent's "retirements" occurred after a 13-3 season. How was that rebuilding mode?

[MJZiggy]

Yes, things would have went much smoother with a lot less drama if Favre would have either retired when Thompson pushed him towards it, or just sat on the bench as a second string to a freakin rookie. But we are talking about Brett Favre. While some may want to cherish memories of "Favre throwing his team under the bus" (lmao, really?) or for sending pics of his wiener to a cheerleader (like you have never sent a pic of your wiener to a cheerleader...),

I seriously think some of you are either to young to know what you are talking about, or you have a huge problem with empathy. If you were to put yourselves in Favre's shoes at the time that he left GB, if you were honest with yourselves, you would have likely have done a lot of the same things he did. Why stay with a team that is going to be rebuilding up until you retire? Especially, if you still feel that you have a few good years left in you? As for Favre going to the Jets, your damn right i would have made a back door deal with the Jets if I was in Favre's shoes. Why wouldnt Favre have wanted to play for the Vikings? I know damned well why Thompson didnt want Favre playing for the Vikings, lmao!!!! I have to wonder what might have been if Thompson had had the balls to simply release Favre, and put his money where his mouth was. Im guessing that if Favre hadnt had to waste a season playin for the Jets, he would have had one more ring....with the Vikings.

In the end, Favre was the same man that we all knew and loved, just in a different uniform. You cant blame him for wanting to continue to play, or for wanting to continue to win. The only thing you can bash him for, is for not allowing Thompson to push him into retirement, or for not wanting to sit on the bench for his last remaining couple of years. That is what it all really boils down to.

Oh, and as for Rodgers saying that it is past time for Favre to come back to the Packers so that they can retire his Jersey.......LMFAO. Get out of town with that garbage. Perhaps after M3 and Thompson are gone, lol.....but otherwise, I would just as soon see Favre retire as a Viking, its no less than some Packer "fans" deserve.

The little problem with your logic above is that Favre DID retire. That left the team in kind of a stupid position, no? Also, as I recall, no one asked Favre to warm the bench, just to compete for the starting position. Speculation is that he may well have lost that competition and evidence in hindsight supports that position. Everyone knew he could still play, though not to the level he could when he was younger, and not in the cold in Lambeau with the season on the line it seems. So if they keep him, they lose Rodgers and we're sitting here now excoriating TT for letting the future walk out the door for an old QB who freezes when the mercury falls or let the dude go off to a dome where the weather isn't a factor. I'm pretty sure that they did the right thing, because Favre's final year was exactly as I'd have predicted. Beats us twice and then loses when it's all on the line. And you're right Favre is the same guy, but not the one you think. He's the guy who cheated on his wife repeatedly and got himself hooked on painkillers at the height of his success. The same guy who created a "will he or won't he" drama for how many years? By the time he actually retired (the first time, anyway) I was almost rooting for it because I was sick of the annual circus. The guy couldn't take a dump without the media focusing on him and he brought a whole lot of that on himself. So if he wants to retire a Viking, that's fine by me. They can retire his "Thanks Ted" jersey.

[PackerBlues]

In case you've forgotten, one of Brent's "retirements" occurred after a 13-3 season. How was that rebuilding mode?


yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.

[ThunderDan]

yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.

Actually, I think you are wrong. The Packers had one losing season when Favre was QB. We had a rough patch in 2005 & 2006 when we turned over a roster because of the Sherman drafts. But 2 years later we were in the NFC Championship game.

1992: 9-7
1993: 9-7
1994: 9-7
1995: 11-5
1996: 13-3 Super Bowl!!!
1997: 13-3 Super Bowl Loss!!!!
1998: 11-5
1999: 8-8
2000: 9-7
2001: 12-4
2002: 12-4
2003: 10-6
2004: 10-6
2005: 4-12
2006: 8-8
2007: 13-3

[Fritz]

yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.

Maybe you missed the sarcasm. What you wrote in your own sarcastic post was "He should have been thrilled to just play out his final couple of good years with a team that went into rebuilding mode. Honestly, why would Favre, the first NFL player to win three consecutive AP MVP awards, get upset if his team decides to rebuild instead of trying to field the best team possibe for a push at the Super Bowl?"

My point is that you're wrong. One of Favre's many retirements - his first officially announced retirement - came after the 2007 season, when the team went 13-3 in the regular season and then beat Seattle in the playoffs before losing to the Giants.

That's not a team in a rebuilding mode. That's Favre walking away from a 13-3 team.

[Patler]

Maybe you missed the sarcasm. What you wrote in your own sarcastic post was "He should have been thrilled to just play out his final couple of good years with a team that went into rebuilding mode. Honestly, why would Favre, the first NFL player to win three consecutive AP MVP awards, get upset if his team decides to rebuild instead of trying to field the best team possibe for a push at the Super Bowl?"

My point is that you're wrong. One of Favre's many retirements - his first officially announced retirement - came after the 2007 season, when the team went 13-3 in the regular season and then beat Seattle in the playoffs before losing to the Giants.

That's not a team in a rebuilding mode. That's Favre walking away from a 13-3 team.

Yup, the guy who said his only reason for playing was to win another Super Bowl, officially retired from a team on the verge of getting there after a 13-3 season.

[Pugger]

The little problem with your logic above is that Favre DID retire. That left the team in kind of a stupid position, no? Also, as I recall, no one asked Favre to warm the bench, just to compete for the starting position. Speculation is that he may well have lost that competition and evidence in hindsight supports that position. Everyone knew he could still play, though not to the level he could when he was younger, and not in the cold in Lambeau with the season on the line it seems. So if they keep him, they lose Rodgers and we're sitting here now excoriating TT for letting the future walk out the door for an old QB who freezes when the mercury falls or let the dude go off to a dome where the weather isn't a factor. I'm pretty sure that they did the right thing, because Favre's final year was exactly as I'd have predicted. Beats us twice and then loses when it's all on the line. And you're right Favre is the same guy, but not the one you think. He's the guy who cheated on his wife repeatedly and got himself hooked on painkillers at the height of his success. The same guy who created a "will he or won't he" drama for how many years? By the time he actually retired (the first time, anyway) I was almost rooting for it because I was sick of the annual circus. The guy couldn't take a dump without the media focusing on him and he brought a whole lot of that on himself. So if he wants to retire a Viking, that's fine by me. They can retire his "Thanks Ted" jersey.

You said it, sister! :bclap:

[George Cumby]

yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.

You dropped pretty quick into Diaper-accusation Mode dincha'?

Methinks you got nothin'.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck,

I am/was a big Brett Favre fan, but the guy was mostly (if not totally) at fault for how that went down. If you don't see that then you simply aren't being objective. Favre has another side to him then that includes selfishness, anger, stubbornness, and entitlement that we couldn't (or at least I couldn't) see through all the laughter, fist pumps, and touchdown celebrations throughout the years.

Favre has a great personality and he makes it easy for you to like him. The way he used to play the game made football extremely fun to watch, but unforgettably that will not be my only memories I will have of him. I will also remember him going on national TV to throw his life long team under the bus, sending pictures of himself to a cheerleader, and retiring from the Jets clearly to escape his contract with them to play for the Vikings.

If Brett was such a wholesome good guy like we all thought he was then what happened to honoring your contract? Didn't he call Javon Walker out for not honoring his contract? I find it funny that he retires from the jets, who then promptly release him, just so he can sign with the Vikings. What happened to his principles that he supposedly once felt so strongly about? Or are we supposed to believe that retiring from the Jets after the season was b/c "he couldn't commit to the team at that present time." Take off the Brett Favre sun glasses bro and enjoy the good times and realize the bad.

I appreciate your position but sorry Packer fan. I'm not joining you or anyone else on this board that stands down on Brett Favre as the football player he was. I don't believe I'll live to ever see a more exciting man stand behind center on any football field.

Thus as a Green Bay Packer and NFL fan for over five decades and as that football player I enjoyed in Brett Favre. I hold Brett Favre in 'the highest esteem'.

Did the human side of him paint him as a man that disappointed me? of course he wasn't perfect but who in a lifetime is? It's that fact that allowed me to rationalize or sift out the crap and his life (ways). When you reach my age you might better understand me and this position. I sincerely hope that life leads you in that direction.

The scandalous parts of him that surfaced made me cringe. I had to overcome a lot there to arrive where I am and Brett Favre today. Arriving there I'm happy to believe that my position is best for me. Any Packer fan that chooses to go on criticizing Brett Favre for the emotional or human weakness that they perceive in him, is simply to me a fair and different take from the one I've chosen and will remain with.

GO PACK GO !

[MadtownPacker]

yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.This thread brings you out? Haha! Guess it is gonna make it to 10k!

[PackerBlues]

from http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/bio/ ..........

Retirement and return (2008)

On March 4, 2008, Favre formally announced his retirement. On July 2, 2008, it was reported that Favre was in contact with the Packers about a possible return to the team. On July 11, 2008, Favre sent a letter to the Packers asking for his unconditional release to allow him to play for another NFL team. Packers general manager Ted Thompson announced he would not grant Favre an unconditional release and reaffirmed the organization's commitment to Aaron Rodgers as its new quarterback. Complicating matters was Favre's unique contract giving him the leverage to void any potential trade by not reporting to the camp of the team he might be traded to if the Packers elect to go that route.

Favre spoke publicly for the first time about his potential comeback in a July 14, 2008, interview with Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel's On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. In the interview, Favre said he was "guilty of retiring early," that he was "never fully committed" to retirement, and that he was pressured by the Packers to make a decision before the NFL Draft and the start of the free agent signing period. Favre disputed the notion that he doesn't want to play for Green Bay and said that while he understands the organization has decided to move on, they should now allow him to do the same. He made clear that he would not return to the Packers as a backup and reiterated his desire to be released rather than traded, which would allow him the freedom to play for a competitive team. Favre also accused the Packers of being dishonest, wishing the team would have been straightforward with him and the public.

In the second part of the interview, which aired on July 15, Favre expressed his frustration with Packer management, spoke of his sympathy for successor Aaron Rodgers' predicament, and affirmed he is 100 percent committed to playing football in 2008.

Favre formally filed for reinstatement with the NFL on July 29, 2008, and his petition was granted by Commissioner Goodell, effective August 4, 2008. Favre then flew to Green Bay to report to Packers training camp. After a lengthy meeting with head coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson, however, both sides agreed it was time for Favre and the organization to part ways
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We can all remember things differently, or revise history to suit our own arguments. The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument. From what i recall of that year, Favre had a crap O-line to play behind with such greats as "The Human Turnstyle" playing in front of him. I honestly dont think any other QB could have produced a winning record with that team.

again, put yourselves in his shoes, its not like this all just happened out of the blue.

So, lets say that YOU are a professional QB in the NFL. The team YOU play for, hadnt even made it into a playoff game in over 10 years prior to YOUR arrival.
YOU have played with that same team for 14 years, without missing one single start. YOU have played in two Super Bowls, YOU have won 3 consecutive MVP awards, YOU have set the NFL record for 13 consecutive winning seasons..........along with a number of other records, to many to mention. People refer to YOU as a Gunslinger, and always talk about how YOU play the QB position with so much heart and passion.

You have been through a lot with this team, but now, there is a new GM, and a new Head Coach. The GM has made it very clear to YOU, that he is going to rebuild, hoping that YOU will either retire, or stick around and do YOUR part to help sell tickets while the team works its way through the rebuilding process. Most if not all of the veteran players that YOU had played with have been cut or let go via free agency. YOU are nearly twice as old as most of the other players on the team and YOU want to chase one more Super Bowl before YOU retire. YOUR replacement has been drafted and is ready to play. YOU are sick of looking over YOUR shoulder, and the team decides it wants YOU in their past, not in their future (except maybe to help peddle merchandise, lol) The GM has told YOU that he will not release YOU outright, even though he thinks that the team has a better chance of winning with his #1 draft pick than with YOU at the QB position........and the new Head Coach agrees with the GM (can you say "yes man"?)
In the previous couple of years, YOU have had to deal with YOUR Fathers death, YOUR wifes cancer scare, the accidental death of YOUR brother-in-law, and the destruction of the family home by way of Hurricane Katrina......and now YOU have to deal with this.

So, How would YOU have dealt with the situation, in a way that would be so much better than how Favre handled it? Please, step down from YOUR high-horse for a moment and enlighten us all as to what YOU would have done differently.

Personally, I would probably have sent a picture of MY weiner to a cheerleader and just moved on. :p

[PackerBlues]

This thread brings you out? Haha! Guess it is gonna make it to 10k!

Hey Madtown :p ya, the comment in the news recently by Rodgers about it being "past due" for Favre to return to GB really chapped my hide, lol. Funny he didnt feel that way in 2008, lol.
I had to go somewher to vent, and this was always a fun place to troll and school the youngsters out there about the greatest QB to ever play the game (I'm not referring to A-rod :p ).

[woodbuck27]

This sentence that you wrote I think clearly illustrates your issues. I did not write that. I think you see a post from someone who you label a "Favre Hater" and you are so ready to write another novelle that you don't realize what was truly written.

I wrote that if BF retired and TT & MM did nothing but hope that BF would unretire for the 2008 season I would call for their jobs. TT and MM have to run the franchise. When BF retired, meaning isn't employed by the Packers anymore, they had to address the QB position.

And boy did they, the promoted ARod right away and even drafted 2 QBs (Brohm and Flynn) to make sure that they had a QB on the roster who could play. That's what a competent management team does. They don't sit on their asses and hope their future HOF QB who retired will come back and save the franchise in 2008.

"This sentence that you wrote I think clearly illustrates your issues." ThunderDan:

I don't have issues. It's you mister that has 'the issue'. Your issue is that you want to make this personal. Somehow you feel a personal need to take me on.

You draw a very fine distinction in what you write and what you claim you meant Vs how I interpreted what you wrote ThunderDan.

You want to really know what the issue is ThunderDan. It's an issue gone personal between 'You and I'. I have no idea even how it got here; but 'no less' here it is. It's also going to end with this post to you.

You've somehow come to a personal need to target me. I don't appreciate that negative attention, nor do I have to put up with it. In real life you and I would have serious issues. We would end up in one another's faces. It's not beginning right now ever going to go there on Packerrats.

I'm not going to allow 'you and I'; to get painted all over on this forum. I don't expect this post to you to be pointless. Your manners and agenda Vs me will not push it towards some unnecessary extreme. Let go of yourself and me.

Think about that please. I'm requesting politely that you don't post me until you arrive at a better response from within yourself, if that's possible.

Because I take a position different from you. I don't have to put up with your re-current obsessions to target me. That's my bottom line and and finally my line drawn in the sand and 'you' ThunderDan. I won't put up with your BS and with your agenda to target me.

Don't deny that I don't have this 100% correct. Otherwise, you'd be. I'll be polite...fooling yourself.

You have a decision to make. Make the right decision please.

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

I had to go somewher to vent, and this was always a fun place to troll and school the youngsters out there about the greatest QB to ever play the game (I'm not referring to A-rod :p ).

Bart Starr, or are you too young to realize that! :grin:

[MadtownPacker]

Do you want to take ThunderDan out to the meadow Mr Woody? :lol:

[MadtownPacker]

Hey Madtown :p ya, the comment in the news recently by Rodgers about it being "past due" for Favre to return to GB really chapped my hide, lol. Funny he didnt feel that way in 2008, lol.
I had to go somewher to vent, and this was always a fun place to troll and school the youngsters out there about the greatest QB to ever play the game (I'm not referring to A-rod :p ).
Ha! You crazy SOB, ARod just trying to do the right thing now that all that mess is behind him. Sadly not many fans can say the same I guess.

[Cleft Crusty]

again, put yourselves in his shoes, its not like this all just happened out of the blue.

So, lets say that YOU ... YOU ...YOUR arrival.
YOU ... YOU ...YOU ... YOU .... YOU play ... You have been through a lot with this team, but now, .... YOUR ... YOU ... YOU retire. YOUR ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU ... YOUR wifes cancer scare, the accidental death of YOUR ... YOU ... YOU ... YOU....

...and just moved on. :p

There is no "You" in team. Your post illustrates very clearly how obsessed Favre, and all his FFFs became focused primarily on him over the Packers. Very revealing.

[Fritz]

Let's see if I am following your line of thinking, PackerBlues:

You claim in a post that Favre should not be blamed for wanting to retire - or leave Green Bay? - because the organization pulled the rug out from under him and went into rebuilding mode instead of trying to put together one more championship run for the old man.

When a couple posters point out that your argument is factually wrong - that Favre left, retired, whatever, after a 13-3 season, which in no universe can be considered a "rebuilding" team - you respond with this: " The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument."

The best I can figure is that you're saying the Packers rebuilt for two years - the 4-12 season, Thompson's first year with the lame-duck Sherman, and the 8-8 season, McCarthy's first year. That 13-3 season somehow doesn't count? - Because it was only because of Favre that the team won thirteen games? No other QB could have lead that team to even a winning record, I think you wrote.

You have a rich fantasy life.

[Patler]

We can all remember things differently, or revise history to suit our own arguments. The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument. From what i recall of that year, Favre had a crap O-line to play behind with such greats as "The Human Turnstyle" playing in front of him. I honestly dont think any other QB could have produced a winning record with that team.


You are correct, we can all remember things differently.

I remember Favre playing very well that year, and being responsible for several big wins. But I also remember Favre playing that year behind a line that included Clifton and Tauscher at the tackles in the primes of their careers as 8th year pros, and Wells being the center just emerging as a solid starter. I remember Spitz being then uninjured, and looking to have a real future with the team at any one of the three inside positions, not a weak link at all. I remember the other guard to be the hot and cold Colledge, but a well-regarded prospect. I remember Favre playing with a running back who averaged 5+yds/carry running behind that O-line, getting nearly 1000 yards in basically 8-9 games. I remember Favre playing with a defense and special teams that scored 6 touchdowns. I remember Favre playing with a kicker who lead the league in scoring. I remember a defense that was among the best in points against and opponent QB rating. I remember a team that made big plays on defense and special teams at the ends of games, not just on offense.

...and you remember it as a team that couldn't have had a winning record but for Favre.

[Zool]

You are correct, we can all remember things differently.

I remember Favre playing very well that year, and being responsible for several big wins. But I also remember Favre playing that year behind a line that included Clifton and Tauscher at the tackles in the primes of their careers as 8th year pros, and Wells being the center just emerging as a solid starter. I remember Spitz being then uninjured, and looking to have a real future with the team at any one of the three inside positions, not a weak link at all. I remember the other guard to be the hot and cold Colledge, but a well-regarded prospect. I remember Favre playing with a running back who averaged 5+yds/carry running behind that O-line, getting nearly 1000 yards in basically 8-9 games. I remember Favre playing with a defense and special teams that scored 6 touchdowns. I remember Favre playing with a kicker who lead the league in scoring. I remember a defense that was among the best in points against and opponent QB rating. I remember a team that made big plays on defense and special teams at the ends of games, not just on offense.

...and you remember it as a team that couldn't have had a winning record but for Favre.

Ahh the old Green Bay Favres. I used to love watching those 50 yard Favre to Favre bombs. Remember that game the Favres got 8 sacks?

[Cleft Crusty]

Ahh the old Green Bay Favres. I used to love watching those 50 yard Favre to Favre bombs. Remember that game the Favres got 8 sacks?

According to the team photographer, Brent Favre, Favre only had one sack.

[Patler]

I enjoyed the rookie, Favre, leading the league in scoring. He was lucky to have the wily old Favre as his longsnapper, and the somewhat experienced Favre as his holder. Still, quite an accomplishment in a year in which Moss set a TD reception record (23). Of course, some credit must go to all the Favres blocking up front.

Favre couldn't have done it without Favre, Favre and the Favres.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Favre's going to get this thread to 500 Favres before Favre knows it.

This is more Favre than a barrell of Favres.

[pbmax]

I suspect PackersBlues has a bead on how Favre felt. Not that the team was rebuilding in any form of the word recognizable to logic, but that the emphasis was not where he wished it to be.

He wanted to load up and go for broke. He was not simply interested in drafting for need, he wanted Free Agents for all the holes thought to be extant on the roster. He thought Thompson was building on a 5 year plan when he wanted a 2 year plan (maybe less).

Of all the duplicitous things Favre could be charged with doing or saying, that concern over time frame is not among them. Had he and Thompson been able to have a conversation about this, it might have ended a lot cleaner, ala Irsay and Manning.

But Andrew Brandt's one true contribution to journalism (well, Packer related anyway), that Favre and Thompson are alike in some significant ways, prevented them from having this conversation. They avoided it and instead danced around like they were on a chessboard, waiting for the other to commit so they did not have to.

[pbmax]

Hey Madtown :p ya, the comment in the news recently by Rodgers about it being "past due" for Favre to return to GB really chapped my hide, lol. Funny he didnt feel that way in 2008, lol.
I had to go somewher to vent, and this was always a fun place to troll and school the youngsters out there about the greatest QB to ever play the game (I'm not referring to A-rod :p ).

I detect that you think Rodgers was calling out Favre to finally come back. However, if you listen to the Rome interview, Rodgers was speaking about 2nd chances and despite media coverage of it, really seemed to be commenting about the fans.

If you wanted to extrapolate a bit further, I would wager that Rodgers feels both sides are worried about how the fans will react to his return.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I suspect Favre has a bead on how Favre felt. Not that the Favre was rebuilding in any form of the word recognizable to Favre, but that the Favre was not where he wished it to be.

He wanted to load up and go for broke. He was not simply interested in Favreing for need, he wanted Free Agents for all the Favres thought to be extant on the Favre. He thought Favre was building on a 5 Farve plan when he wanted a 2 Favre plan (maybe less).

Of all the Favre things Favre could be charged with doing or saying, that Favre over time frame is not among them. Had Favre and Favre been able to have a conversation about Favre, it might have ended a lot cleaner, ala Favre and Favre.

But Favre's one true contribution to Favre (well, Favre related anyway), that Favre and Favre are alike in some significant ways, prevented Favre from having this conversation. Favre avoided it and instead danced around like they were on a Favre, waiting for the Favre to Favre so Favre did not have to.

Fixed your post pb.

[Patler]

I suspect PackersBlues has a bead on how Favre felt. Not that the team was rebuilding in any form of the word recognizable to logic, but that the emphasis was not where he wished it to be.

He wanted to load up and go for broke. He was not simply interested in drafting for need, he wanted Free Agents for all the holes thought to be extant on the roster. He thought Thompson was building on a 5 year plan when he wanted a 2 year plan (maybe less).

Of all the duplicitous things Favre could be charged with doing or saying, that concern over time frame is not among them. Had he and Thompson been able to have a conversation about this, it might have ended a lot cleaner, ala Irsay and Manning.

But Andrew Brandt's one true contribution to journalism (well, Packer related anyway), that Favre and Thompson are alike in some significant ways, prevented them from having this conversation. They avoided it and instead danced around like they were on a chessboard, waiting for the other to commit so they did not have to.

Except that his final season in GB should have shown him that the 5 year plan had already come to fruition. The two year plan and five year plan had already crossed paths. GB would have given him as good an opportunity to get to the SB as anywhere.

I think the seeds of Favre's departure were sown before TT arrived, but blossomed under TT. Favre left for reasons unrelated to his desire to get back to the SB.

[woodbuck27]

Yep, Brett's fault that everything went sour between him and the Packers. He should have been thrilled to just play out his final couple of good years with a team that went into rebuilding mode. Honestly, why would Favre, the first NFL player to win three consecutive AP MVP awards, get upset if his team decides to rebuild instead of trying to field the best team possibe for a push at the Super Bowl? I mean seriously, the man only allowed the Packers to restructure his contract a couple of times to free up money for free agent signings and such...... how dare he assume that the Packers front office would ever give a crap about what he thought.
If only Brett would have happily accepted the way that Thompson wanted him to lie down for the last couple of years he had left in him. He could have sat on the bench behind his replacement.......using that competitive fire we all loved so much, to keep the bench warm for Mr. Rodgers.

Unreal, lol. I am sorry, but I have to laugh at how people complain about Favre because of how he left the Packers, or because of where he went after he left. It takes two to tango kiddies. Yes, things would have went much smoother with a lot less drama if Favre would have either retired when Thompson pushed him towards it, or just sat on the bench as a second string to a freakin rookie. But we are talking about Brett Favre. While some may want to cherish memories of "Favre throwing his team under the bus" (lmao, really?) or for sending pics of his wiener to a cheerleader (like you have never sent a pic of your wiener to a cheerleader...), I choose to remember Favre for the amazing things he did while he was a Packer, such as playing the best game of his life the day after his father died. Or, hey.....do you remember watching him play in two Super Bowls? That was pretty freakin kewl!
I seriously think some of you are either to young to know what you are talking about, or you have a huge problem with empathy. If you were to put yourselves in Favre's shoes at the time that he left GB, if you were honest with yourselves, you would have likely have done a lot of the same things he did. Why stay with a team that is going to be rebuilding up until you retire? Especially, if you still feel that you have a few good years left in you? As for Favre going to the Jets, your damn right i would have made a back door deal with the Jets if I was in Favre's shoes. Why wouldnt Favre have wanted to play for the Vikings? I know damned well why Thompson didnt want Favre playing for the Vikings, lmao!!!! I have to wonder what might have been if Thompson had had the balls to simply release Favre, and put his money where his mouth was. Im guessing that if Favre hadnt had to waste a season playin for the Jets, he would have had one more ring....with the Vikings.

In the end, Favre was the same man that we all knew and loved, just in a different uniform. You cant blame him for wanting to continue to play, or for wanting to continue to win. The only thing you can bash him for, is for not allowing Thompson to push him into retirement, or for not wanting to sit on the bench for his last remaining couple of years. That is what it all really boils down to.

Oh, and as for Rodgers saying that it is past time for Favre to come back to the Packers so that they can retire his Jersey.......LMFAO. Get out of town with that garbage. Perhaps after M3 and Thompson are gone, lol.....but otherwise, I would just as soon see Favre retire as a Viking, its no less than some Packer "fans" deserve.

PackerBlues:

The above, is a slant taken with a somewhat stronger emotion, than what I use to try to reason against the anti-Brett Favre 'mob'... here. Maybe, I should demonstrate the same degree of sarcasm and anger that you feel. Maybe, your approach is clearly best PackerBlues. At least in you using that approach:

I applaud you PackerBlues. :bclap:

As I read ahead in this thread. I'm not even any longer shocked that posters here could be so blind to 'the reality position', that's 'Brett Favre's take' on that sick mess. Posters here cannot, as you point out, even drum up 'the empathy', to simply take the time to read and discover Brett Favre's view on it all.

Brett Favre's best efforts to give his TRUTH. Lies within their ignorance or decisions to ignore.

All that connected to 'the mess', we now refer to as 'the Green Bay Packers - Brett Favre divorce.

No ...posters here stand on a position that total blame lies with Brett Favre.

We certainly believe such a position is grossly in error. The 'nay sayers' to our position takes mild to more severe derision against us.

We're the crazy one's. What 'a crock'. I promise you this man. We'll certainly enjoy seeing Favre get all that he so richly deserves for his contributions as a Green bay Packer. Go to the bank with that Packer fan. :-)

I'm sure that there are posters here at Packerrats that do see it our way. They see the distain or derisions aimed at us. I appreciate the fact that some of these posters are intimidated by the 'anti-Favre mentality' that a powerful group of posters here hang to. The members of Packerrats that use their prejudicial judgment based personalities. To push forth their silly too clearly false agendas; and anything 'truly good and Brett Favre'.

They mock themselves in thus doing. See to have empathy one also must have a good degree of rightful pride.

To those of you who see the TRUTH. You cannot beat them. At least I say or advise:

Be damned if you join them. Those Packer fans that ignore anything in terms of a Brett Favre explanation.

The way that Brett Favre actually felt. What his personal experience was. As 'he' actually felt treated by the Green Bay Packers (then TT and MM). As his time as an active Green Bay Packer came to a conclusion. That conclusion arriving with pressure from his side and the NFL HO; to being traded to the New York Jets.

The alternative >>> retire or accept 'a 'Jack-Shit' position, in a back-up role to Aaron Rodgers. Good grief and I write for Brett Favre...Give me a fricken' break'. I've never seen anymore horseshit dispensed in all my time as a sports fan.

Ohh wait I forgot. All that was to protect Brett Favre's Legacy as a Green Bay Packer.

Yup Brett.... why didn't you simply ride out the rest of your Packer contract (3 years) on the bench!? That would have secured your legacy above all else !?

As the final day went down went down, and as a Green Bay Packer fan that see's it differently. I'm certainly grateful for this olive branch. That TT did trade Brett Favre; even if he couldn't handle that chore for him, with proper respect and dignity. Ted Thompson's disrespect in terms of what Brett Favre deserved in his long service as a Green Bay Packer Icon.

As I posted before: I feel I understand Ted Thompson's limitations as a man.

Ted Thompson certainly outdid himself on that one. He somehow managed to pay Brett Favre the ultimate disrespect as his time as a Green bay Packer came to a close. Ted Thompson will always have to live with that. If 'in fact', as Brett Favre claims. The trade to the New York Jets went down in terms of his eventual knowledge of that fact.

Since when has an NFL player with Brett Favre's outstanding status and resume as a Pro player. A man that was runner-up NFL MVP in the year previously. A man that was then a record holding 3X NFL MVP. A man that gave and gave, time and time again. A player that wore his heart on his sleeve accepting personally so much Packer failure. After all that he had given to the organization, team, teammates and fans he loved; been treated with such utter and disgusting disrespect?

So now we see the Green Bay Packers best attempts coming forward of what is clearly 'damage control'. We see Brett Favre being acknowledged, with decency that's overdue; given TT's and MM's final disrespects.

As current Packer President and CEO Mark Murphy has said, in his ultimate attempt at damage control:

We're discussing Brett Favre who is 'arguably' the Greatest Green Bay Packer of ALL TIME. I stress the word 'arguably' in the last sentence and make note of this:

I will not argue that fact. Brett Favre was certainly 'a GREAT' Green Bay Packer.

PackerBlues on another note and your post:

I want Brett Favre to get the reward from the Green Bay Packers that he so richly and certainly deserves. At the same time not see the Green Bay Packer Organization suffer anymore embarrassment and anything Brett Favre:

To have his NO. 4 retired. To be inducted in the Green Bay Packer HOF while TT and MM takes postures feigning shame for how they clearly mishandled his final months as a Green Bay Packer. As by and large the majority of Packer fans get to enjoy it all. Havig the decent sense to get it right and acknowledge Bret Favre with thunderous cheers.

What a great day that will be for Brett Favre and Packer fans like you and I.

For those of you here that have the Favre hate on because he led the Minnesota Vikings over the Green Bay Packers in the 2009 season. Too bad...so sad. Favre did what he always tried his best to do:

WIN !

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

Except that his final season in GB should have shown him that the 5 year plan had already come to fruition. The two year plan and five year plan had already crossed paths. GB would have given him as good an opportunity to get to the SB as anywhere.

I think the seeds of Favre's departure were sown before TT arrived, but blossomed under TT. Favre left for reasons unrelated to his desire to get back to the SB.

Seeds sown yes. But I think part of Favre wanted protection from embarrassment if he stayed too long. And I think he was sticking around to win a Super Bowl more than get paid (not that money was no factor).

I forget who reported that (might have been AB) but part of the retirement dance was that the team thought it was a good idea for him to stay and give them the best chance. Then it does not look like Scottie Pippen and Barkley joining with Olajuwon to sneak one more title with Hakeem in the strike shortened year at the end of their careers.

He used to be provided extraordinary cover by the team to fulfill his ambitions on the field and in the record books. Thompson did not offer that kind of reassurance and Rodgers presence exacerbated it. Especially, if many have commented, how acutely he was aware that an injury had launched his career and Wally Pipp'd Don Majikowski. I tend to think that story is overblown a bit, but no doubt Rodgers being on the team was different than Doug Pederson or Craig Nall.

[woodbuck27]

from http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/bio/ ..........

Retirement and return (2008)

On March 4, 2008, Favre formally announced his retirement. On July 2, 2008, it was reported that Favre was in contact with the Packers about a possible return to the team. On July 11, 2008, Favre sent a letter to the Packers asking for his unconditional release to allow him to play for another NFL team. Packers general manager Ted Thompson announced he would not grant Favre an unconditional release and reaffirmed the organization's commitment to Aaron Rodgers as its new quarterback. Complicating matters was Favre's unique contract giving him the leverage to void any potential trade by not reporting to the camp of the team he might be traded to if the Packers elect to go that route.

Favre spoke publicly for the first time about his potential comeback in a July 14, 2008, interview with Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel's On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. In the interview, Favre said he was "guilty of retiring early," that he was "never fully committed" to retirement, and that he was pressured by the Packers to make a decision before the NFL Draft and the start of the free agent signing period. Favre disputed the notion that he doesn't want to play for Green Bay and said that while he understands the organization has decided to move on, they should now allow him to do the same. He made clear that he would not return to the Packers as a backup and reiterated his desire to be released rather than traded, which would allow him the freedom to play for a competitive team. Favre also accused the Packers of being dishonest, wishing the team would have been straightforward with him and the public.

In the second part of the interview, which aired on July 15, Favre expressed his frustration with Packer management, spoke of his sympathy for successor Aaron Rodgers' predicament, and affirmed he is 100 percent committed to playing football in 2008.

Favre formally filed for reinstatement with the NFL on July 29, 2008, and his petition was granted by Commissioner Goodell, effective August 4, 2008. Favre then flew to Green Bay to report to Packers training camp. After a lengthy meeting with head coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson, however, both sides agreed it was time for Favre and the organization to part ways
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We can all remember things differently, or revise history to suit our own arguments. The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument. From what i recall of that year, Favre had a crap O-line to play behind with such greats as "The Human Turnstyle" playing in front of him. I honestly dont think any other QB could have produced a winning record with that team.

again, put yourselves in his shoes, its not like this all just happened out of the blue.

So, lets say that YOU are a professional QB in the NFL. The team YOU play for, hadnt even made it into a playoff game in over 10 years prior to YOUR arrival.
YOU have played with that same team for 14 years, without missing one single start. YOU have played in two Super Bowls, YOU have won 3 consecutive MVP awards, YOU have set the NFL record for 13 consecutive winning seasons..........along with a number of other records, to many to mention. People refer to YOU as a Gunslinger, and always talk about how YOU play the QB position with so much heart and passion.

You have been through a lot with this team, but now, there is a new GM, and a new Head Coach. The GM has made it very clear to YOU, that he is going to rebuild, hoping that YOU will either retire, or stick around and do YOUR part to help sell tickets while the team works its way through the rebuilding process. Most if not all of the veteran players that YOU had played with have been cut or let go via free agency. YOU are nearly twice as old as most of the other players on the team and YOU want to chase one more Super Bowl before YOU retire. YOUR replacement has been drafted and is ready to play. YOU are sick of looking over YOUR shoulder, and the team decides it wants YOU in their past, not in their future (except maybe to help peddle merchandise, lol) The GM has told YOU that he will not release YOU outright, even though he thinks that the team has a better chance of winning with his #1 draft pick than with YOU at the QB position........and the new Head Coach agrees with the GM (can you say "yes man"?)
In the previous couple of years, YOU have had to deal with YOUR Fathers death, YOUR wifes cancer scare, the accidental death of YOUR brother-in-law, and the destruction of the family home by way of Hurricane Katrina......and now YOU have to deal with this.

So, How would YOU have dealt with the situation, in a way that would be so much better than how Favre handled it? Please, step down from YOUR high-horse for a moment and enlighten us all as to what YOU would have done differently.

Personally, I would probably have sent a picture of MY weiner to a cheerleader and just moved on. :p

WOW! WOW!! WOW !!!

You nailed it.

My deepest respect for 'YOU' PackerBlues.

[woodbuck27]

Do you want to take ThunderDan out to the meadow Mr Woody? :lol:

I'm revising that backhanded comment to:

A simple 'NO'.

I hope there's a better way, Mad.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

This thread brings you out? Haha! Guess it is gonna make it to 10k!

Mad what ever happened to MOOB DEEP? When he created this thread did he ever imagine it would get to this?

I wonder where this thread ranks in terms of responses and views Vs all threads 'All Subjects' and 'All Forums', Mad?

This might very well be 'an All World' thread about an 'ALL World' Great Pro athlete.

Brett FAVRE !!

[Upnorth]

Favred your post pb.

NOw its Correct CC

As an aside to the insanity, why are we still caring about this again? The ceremony will happen eventually, who cares when. Between now and then and following that as well I will remain a Packers fan, as well as a fan of what Favre accomplished in GB and NY (screw the queens).

[MadtownPacker]

I am certain this thread tops all woody.

[woodbuck27]

I am certain this thread tops all woody.

Mad are you implying or:

Do you believe that this thread is eligible for 'the Guinness World Book Of Records'?

As the most viewed Forum Thread ever?

[woodbuck27]

Ha! You crazy SOB, ARod just trying to do the right thing now that all that mess is behind him. Sadly not many fans can say the same I guess.

I'm being very cautious in fully accepting Aaron Rodgers position in this 'let's give Brett Favre' what's overdo business.

Sometimes what looks 'just' great on the surface can be turned into 'a real can of worms'. If I feel that way as a mere Packer fan and one that certainly supports Brett Favre 'Green Bay Packer ALL TIME Great.

How might Brett Favre feel in terms of 'any' genuineness, after the way he was mishandled?

Yet ..I'll qualify this necessary caution 'to myself' by further commenting that...by and large Aaron Rodgers does now seem sincere.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

There is no "You" in team. Your post illustrates very clearly how obsessed Favre, and all his FFFs became focused primarily on him over the Packers. Very revealing.

Brett Favre seldom if ever placed himself above 'the Packers team'. How many many time does the record reflect that 'exact' TRUTH M.

A low blow and highly irrelevant response. M.

PackerBlues debates with a rifle and you need to resort to Mustard Gas.

This isn't desperate times nor places. This is merely an NFL Team (the PACKERS) fan forum with little really at stake in terms of how this debate will come down in the Green Bay Packer History book.

Ultimately the Packer fans that choose to see it clearly as Packerblues and I do see it. Will be justly rewarded.

Sadly the likes of you....won't.

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[Fritz]

Except that his final season in GB should have shown him that the 5 year plan had already come to fruition. The two year plan and five year plan had already crossed paths. GB would have given him as good an opportunity to get to the SB as anywhere.

I think the seeds of Favre's departure were sown before TT arrived, but blossomed under TT. Favre left for reasons unrelated to his desire to get back to the SB.

Ted as master gardener.

It was all so . . . weird. But the passage of time ought to sooth the parties, unless one of the parties nurses a grudge.

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[woodbuck27]

Good lord. Woodbuck here believes BF was forced to retire. :lol: Nonsense! If MM and TT thought he couldn't play anymore they wouldn't have gave a damn if he played for a divisional rival. Had Favre not retired after the 2007 season I truly believe he would have been our starter. But once he did retire and held that teary press conference MM went full speed ahead with Rodgers and never looked back. Back then the Jets were not the mess they are today. Brett showed he could still play and performed well until he got hurt. Heck, they were headed for the playoffs before he injured his shoulder. He then pretended to retire again. The reason I say 'pretend' is he asked NY to give him his release. Retired players do not make this kind of a request. It was plain he wanted out of that contract so he could go to the place he wanted to go all along - MN - so he could stick it to the franchise that made him a multimillionaire. He got his wish and joined the Vikes but tossed yet another INT and screwed the queens out of a SB berth and Rodgers played lights out a year later and won it all. I think we got the better end of this deal. BTW, I believe MM was the driving force behind wanting Favre to stay retired more than TT ever was.

What are you posting?

I didn't 'think happen' what didn't happen Pugger. Brett Favre didn't retire in 2008.

Brett Favre played the 2008 season with the New York Jets. The 2009-10 seasons with the Minnesota Vikings.

Brett Favre retired following the 2010 season.

Did Brett Favre feel that the Green Bay Packers wanted him to retire in the 2008 Off season?

You'd have to be a Packer fan, lost on some remote island, with no outside communication since the Green Bay Packers NFC Championship loss to the New York GIANTS, to not know that was the 'exact case' Pugger. You pay better attention than to get that one confused in your long term memory Pugger.

Ahh that terrible Packer loss to the soon to become Super Bowl champion New York GIANTS. Brett Favre was so bad in that loss.

Mike McCarthy did a fine job of preparing his team for that game given the frigid Winter conditions that week. Yet... Brett Favre was 'the fall guy' and Mike McCarthy ducks another one. I can see the hand shake between TT and MM now.

After that loss to the GIANTS. Did a majority of Green Bay Packer fans; given Favre's incredible season expect what it would all come too? That 2007 ... a season where Brett Favre led his team as it's MVP to a 13-3 record, and an NFC Championship game. A season where 'only' one other NFL player was considered more valuable to his team by the AP.... would be Brett Favre's last as a Green Bay Packer?

Let's Re-cap that game:

The Green Bay Packers were defeated by the New York Giants at Lambeau Field in OT by a 23-20 score. Game time Temp. -1 °F (−20° to −40 °F (−40 °C) windchill factor) Really really cold. As a matter of fact it's being described as the 3rd coldest game in NFL history.

In that game Brett 'Bad Boy' Favre extended his NFL record to 18 straight playoff games with at least one touchdown pass. It came on a 90 yard touchdown throw to Donald Driver, the longest playoff pass in Packers team historyat that time. The 'Bad Boy' had more records in that game. His team lost that game by a FG. Brett Favre felt 'just' sick over that heartbreaking loss.

This would also be the final game in Brett Favre's legendary career as a Green Bay Packer.

Some time that summer did Brett Favre feel any pressure to retire by the Green Bay Packers?

You bet your Jammers he did. Let's not get really silly/stupid and there on that 'no question'. PLEASE.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3486775

Here's just a taste of that TRUTH Pugger and it's from Brett Favre himself:

MILWAUKEE --

Brett Favre finally is speaking for himself:

He wants to play but doesn't feel welcome in Green Bay, so he's asking to be released.

The quarterback's first substantial comments about his latest retirement decision reversal came in a Monday interview with Fox News on "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren."

"OK, you guys have a different path, fine," Favre said, recalling a June 20 conversation with Packers coach Mike McCarthy. "What does that mean for me? So that means either you give me my helmet, welcome [me] back, or release me, or attempt to trade me. We all know that's a possibility, but way-out-there possibility.

"And he says, 'Well, playing here is not an option, but we can't envision you playing with another team, you know, either.'

And I thought, so basically, I'm not playing for anyone if I choose to come back."

and later in this interview:

"Favre said he was "never fully committed" to retiring and felt pressured by the Packers to make a decision..."

This is Brett Favre and he damn near knocked himself out in that 2007 season Packer fans. He was as I posted before exhausted...nearly if not entirely burnt out. If it took retirement talk 'again' to satisfy inquisitive minds; so be it. If anyone who knew Brett Favre believed that was true after the season he had in 2007. They havn't been paying close attention to Brett Favre.

Brett Favre was definitely going to come back after an enormous 2007 season. Just not with the Green Bay Packers that had to concede to the man waiting in the wings:

Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers FUTURE not Brett Favre.

GO PACKERS !

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[Bossman641]

Shit, Packerblues and WB sticking up for Favre? If we can get Mobb Deep and Pacopete back this will REALLY be a party. DAYUM!!

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[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck;

I was mistaken about one thing. Favre's meeting with MM extended over two days.

Here is an article about MM's thinking before the meetings:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/packers/2008-08-03-favre-update_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

and a timeline from the GBPG:

Sunday: Favre flies to Green Bay at the same time the Packers are having their Family Night scrimmage. He’s greeted at the airport by cheering fans.

Monday: NFL commissioner Roger Goodell reinstates Favre, and the Packers add him to the 80-man roster. McCarthy is scheduled to meet with Favre, then address the team, then address the media. However, his meeting with Favre extends to roughly 4 hours — Thompson also meets with Favre — and the team meeting and media conference are canceled. Goodell also rules the Vikings didn't tamper with Favre.

Tuesday: Favre and McCarthy meet again at Lambeau Field. Then, Favre, Thompson, Murphy and others meet at Favre’s home in Ashwaubenon. McCarthy indicates Favre’s mindset isn’t right for him to rejoin the team, but says he plans to speak to Favre again in the evening.

Patler:

I failed to thank you for this info. I've spent the last while simply reviewing it all. My file is huge. Such a lot of needless garbage if brighter minds had prevailed.

Someday this issue to 'no issue' will be essentially forgotten as Brett Favre will be remembered for the truly great NFL QB that he was.

Right now it's again 'a hot button' topic of discussion. One that I hope we can all handle with some common decency. Of course ... there will be at least one very obvious, yet insignificant responder toss his 1 cents worth in as that about all he can muster.

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[MJZiggy]

Why do I get the feeling SC's file is as thick as Woodbuck's?

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[woodbuck27]

Good lord. Woodbuck here believes BF was forced to retire. :lol: Nonsense! If MM and TT thought he couldn't play anymore they wouldn't have gave a damn if he played for a divisional rival. Had Favre not retired after the 2007 season I truly believe he would have been our starter. But once he did retire and held that teary press conference MM went full speed ahead with Rodgers and never looked back. Back then the Jets were not the mess they are today. Brett showed he could still play and performed well until he got hurt. Heck, they were headed for the playoffs before he injured his shoulder. He then pretended to retire again. The reason I say 'pretend' is he asked NY to give him his release. Retired players do not make this kind of a request. It was plain he wanted out of that contract so he could go to the place he wanted to go all along - MN - so he could stick it to the franchise that made him a multimillionaire. He got his wish and joined the Vikes but tossed yet another INT and screwed the queens out of a SB berth and Rodgers played lights out a year later and won it all. I think we got the better end of this deal. BTW, I believe MM was the driving force behind wanting Favre to stay retired more than TT ever was.

Pugger... Maybe you didn't ever read this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3561440


Jets' Favre says Green Bay told him he couldn't be a Packer

Updated: August 30, 2008, 8:13 PM ET

Associated Press

a) " Favre couldn't say the same of his choice to walk away from the game a few weeks after losing the NFC championship game against the New York Giants.

"I knew I wanted to play," the 38-year-old quarterback said. "Everyday I would wake up and say, 'Boy, I'd like to play.' At some point in the day, I'd go, 'Ahh, I don't know.' With each day that passed, I got more and more committed to do it, and that was all I was looking for from Day 1.

"As time passed by, I said, 'You know, I've still got the fire.'" ..." FR, LINK

b) " During the weeks leading to his retirement, Favre said Packers coach Mike McCarthy told him that the team wanted to know what his plans were for this season. Favre had waffled between playing and retiring several times during the previous few offseasons.

"The day I told McCarthy I was going to retire, he said, 'Are you sure?'" Favre recalled. "I said, 'No, I'm not sure, but you want an answer and I'm giving you an answer: I'm not sure.'"

Favre told McCarthy he felt a pull to play but, after 17 seasons, wasn't sure he still had the desire to go through minicamp, OTAs, training camp and other workouts." Fr, LINK

c) "Favre said he spoke to Packers' general manager Ted Thompson only once during the process, the day after the NFL draft in April.

"I always liked Ted and I don't want to say I dislike him now," he said. "I'm disappointed."

Thompson flew to Favre's Mississippi home, and the quarterback thought the general manager was there to ask him to come back. Instead, Thompson told him that the team was going to do something special for him: dismantle his locker and send it to him.

"That was the craziest thing I ever heard of," Favre said.

"What the hell am I going to do with a locker anyway? So, I said, 'OK, Ted, that's great.'"

Thompson left shortly after the conversation, but not before Favre told him he might have reservations about retiring. "

Ohh well Brett... look at it on the bright side even as crazy as it was.

At least you were offered a locker. That's a lot more that some people ever get following a divorce.

PACKERS !

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[woodbuck27]

Way to go Scott !

Keep on a truckin' that silly trash on this thread..

Yea yea yeaaaa!

Maybe before this night is over the 'Brett Favre thread' will gallop all the way to 10,000 posts.

Your da man Scott.

GO ! GO !! GO !!! Scott Campbell.

I've always know this:

Once you get started there's 'no stopping you'.

Are you seeing your doctor Scott?

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[woodbuck27]

Why do I get the feeling SC's file is as thick as Woodbuck's?

No let's get this straight mj.

My Brett Favre file is thicker and richer in terms of real value than Scott's.

Mine covers Brett Favre 'the good'.

Scott Campbell's file is very thin. Like thin ice. Add heat and he falls through.

Scott's is all about ridicule and ugly venomous slander; about darkness. All that Scott Campbell is truly capable of. It's really so pathetically sad and 'only' what he's able to convene obtrusively on:

'the Bad and the Ugly'.

[Scott Campbell]

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[woodbuck27]

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Brett Favre made it to ..... the Super Bowl with his Packer team..... ahhhhhhh ....two....times.

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[George Cumby]

Scott,

Timing is everything and YOU. RULE.

[RashanGary]

Scott,

Timing is everything and YOU. RULE.


Something was missing from this latest Favre debate.

And honestly, without looking at the patterns of disregard for the rights/well-being of other people in his life, it's hard to really pin the guy down. He was so good at getting away with it. And then he got caught with his dick in his hand. Favre lied to his wife, cheated on her, tried to sabotage his former teammates by giving info to a former rival, tried to punish his former team for trading him away because it didn't happen on his terms. What do you think it's like when Dianna doesn't do things on Baby-Bert's terms? You think he finds ways to punish/get back at her? He's really immature. I feel bad for him because that's a tough way to live, but I also don't think his actions are acceptable and he needs to be held accountable for them. The Packers held him accountable for his retirement threats (and let's be honest, that's probably what they were. If you don't do it the way I like, I'll retire.) He probably thought he was special enough to pull that kind of stunt, but the Packers called the bluff. Ok, you're retired, fine, we're done with you and we're going with AR. More than anything, I think that whole situation was a major punch in his inflated ego. Favre was knocked down a notch. Rather than accept reality (that he's not a golden god of football) he threw a fit and blamed everyone else. It's a burden to have to be the best. The minute he can put that down and come back to humanity, the weight will be off of his chest and he'll just be happy with his place in history. He'll be able to show up, be a part of things, enjoy time with his old teammates. HE's not there yet though, unfortunately for everyone. His career is great enough and long enough, it should be celebrated with the people who were there. It's a fucking shame, honestly. It's a shame for us, because I think we'd all like to cheer for the guy. He's immature, like a little kid. Sometimes, if a person doesn't realize it, it can cause the person to be really hurtful. But sometimes, that same person can be infectious, like a little kid, and make life a joy for those around him. Favre can do both. He's very passionate. It's wonderful and sad at the same time. Hopefully he can find a way to grow in some areas while keeping the other parts of him in tact. He's not bad, he's just not all grown up like most adults and some of it is causing problems in his life (as well as the lives of people close to him).

[KYPack]

500 pp and 10,000 posts will be pretty close together.

PBlue, you have some sort of insanity thing going on.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I appreciate your position but sorry Packer fan. I'm not joining you or anyone else on this board that stands down on Brett Favre as the football player he was. I don't believe I'll live to ever see a more exciting man stand behind center on any football field.

Thus as a Green Bay Packer and NFL fan for over five decades and as that football player I enjoyed in Brett Favre. I hold Brett Favre in 'the highest esteem'.

Did the human side of him paint him as a man that disappointed me? of course he wasn't perfect but who in a lifetime is? It's that fact that allowed me to rationalize or sift out the crap and his life (ways). When you reach my age you might better understand me and this position. I sincerely hope that life leads you in that direction.

The scandalous parts of him that surfaced made me cringe. I had to overcome a lot there to arrive where I am and Brett Favre today. Arriving there I'm happy to believe that my position is best for me. Any Packer fan that chooses to go on criticizing Brett Favre for the emotional or human weakness that they perceive in him, is simply to me a fair and different take from the one I've chosen and will remain with.

GO PACK GO !

I'm not standing down Brett Favre as the FOOTBALL PLAYER he was. And yes he was the most exciting player I have watched also. But did you totally miss the point? I'm not arguing that he was a great player, but how are you connecting his play on the field with his actions off the field as a man?

I'm not even criticizing him for emotional or human weakness, but that doesn't change the fact that he acted like a child in 08.

[Joemailman]

500 pp and 10,000 posts will be pretty close together.

PBlue, you have some sort of insanity thing going on.

Completely off topic, but you must be set up for 20 posts per page. You can go as high as 40. Settings/General Settings/Posts per page.

And now we return you to the never ending soap opera, otherwise known as the Favre thread.

[Kiwon]

http://cdn1.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/Favre-Photos.jpg

I can't decide which is funnier - this or Al Gore's "Com'on baby, release my chakra!"

[Joemailman]

Something was missing from this latest Favre debate.

And honestly, without looking at the patterns of disregard for the rights/well-being of other people in his life, it's hard to really pin the guy down. He was so good at getting away with it. And then he got caught with his dick in his hand. Favre lied to his wife, cheated on her, tried to sabotage his former teammates by giving info to a former rival, tried to punish his former team for trading him away because it didn't happen on his terms. What do you think it's like when Dianna doesn't do things on Baby-Bert's terms? You think he finds ways to punish/get back at her? He's really immature. I feel bad for him because that's a tough way to live, but I also don't think his actions are acceptable and he needs to be held accountable for them. The Packers held him accountable for his retirement threats (and let's be honest, that's probably what they were. If you don't do it the way I like, I'll retire.) He probably thought he was special enough to pull that kind of stunt, but the Packers called the bluff. Ok, you're retired, fine, we're done with you and we're going with AR. More than anything, I think that whole situation was a major punch in his inflated ego. Favre was knocked down a notch. Rather than accept reality (that he's not a golden god of football) he threw a fit and blamed everyone else. It's a burden to have to be the best. The minute he can put that down and come back to humanity, the weight will be off of his chest and he'll just be happy with his place in history. He'll be able to show up, be a part of things, enjoy time with his old teammates. HE's not there yet though, unfortunately for everyone. His career is great enough and long enough, it should be celebrated with the people who were there. It's a fucking shame, honestly. It's a shame for us, because I think we'd all like to cheer for the guy. He's immature, like a little kid. Sometimes, if a person doesn't realize it, it can cause the person to be really hurtful. But sometimes, that same person can be infectious, like a little kid, and make life a joy for those around him. Favre can do both. He's very passionate. It's wonderful and sad at the same time. Hopefully he can find a way to grow in some areas while keeping the other parts of him in tact. He's not bad, he's just not all grown up like most adults and some of it is causing problems in his life (as well as the lives of people close to him).

Your post reminded me of something written about Favre late in 2010.

Brett Favre will stand on the Vikings' sideline for the last time today. Thus will end one of the
most volatile episodes in Minnesota sports history, an 18-month window in which Favre
sequentially proved right anyone who ever praised or doubted him.

Favre will end his career as a limping contradiction. In a society that revels in either-or debates,
Favre has proved that "all of the above" can be the correct assessment of a polarizing individual.
You can take either side in a debate about Favre and be right. He is at once the most prolific
passer in NFL history and the most erratic great quarterback to ever play the game.

He is renowned for his fourth-quarter comebacks and clutch play, and yet has thrown more
season-destroying interceptions than any quarterback in history.

He is the toughest man in the annals of a brutal sport -- having started 297 consecutive games at a
position that is the equivalent of a clay pigeon at a shotgun range -- and the most emotionally
needy player ever to don a helmet.

He is a charismatic leader who can unite a locker room and inspire a huddle, and he is a divisive
figure who was known in New York for ignoring his teammates.

He wouldn't tutor Aaron Rodgers, his chosen successor in Green Bay , yet he volunteers his time
coaching high school kids in Hattiesburg , Miss. He launched or improved the careers of a dozen
coaches -- including Andy Reid, Jon Gruden and Mike Holmgren -- and ended the head coaching
career of the man who brought him to Minnesota and helped him make $28 million in 18
months.
He craves the spotlight but won't dress for it, favoring old jeans, sweaty golf hats and perpetual
stubble even during news conferences watched by millions.
He shuns the media five days a week -- a writer from Washington , D.C. , once told me it was
easier to land a one-on-one interview with the President than with Favre -- yet manipulates
national reporters every week to disseminate dubious messages.

He will forever be remembered as an iconic Packer, yet he began his career with Atlanta , visited
New York and chose to finish his career with the Packers' arch-rival, intent on beating the
franchise that made him famous. He is a Hall of Fame quarterback who became a symbol of
longevity, and yet each of the four teams that employed him was glad to see him go.

He prides himself, as he once told me, in "playing like a kid," even when teammates put a
rocking chair in front of his locker. He "loves the game" yet can't bring himself to show up for
offseason workouts or the opening day of training camp.

He is a Southern good ol' boy who made his reputation on the Frozen Tundra. He reveres the
record book and NFL history but once flopped on the ground to help New York Giants defensive
end Michael Strahan break a sack record.

All of which makes you wonder: When Brett Favre looks in the mirror, does his reflection appear
in 3-D? Because Favre is so internally conflicted, so relentlessly contradictory, offering a final
assessment of him isn't easy. Remember, it was a year ago that Favre was preparing to help the
Vikings whip the Dallas Cowboys in the Metrodome, in one of the most impressive
victories in franchise history. It was less than a year ago that Favre was preparing to run the
Vikings' offense up and down the field against the eventual Super Bowl champion
Saints in the deafening Superdome. At the age of 40, in his first season in purple, Favre came
within one pass of taking the Vikings to a Super Bowl they might well have won. Therein lies the
Favre conundrum: He was the reason the Vikings were able to come within one of Favre's
startlingly amateurish interceptions of doing what had never been done before in 50 years of
Vikings history, and he was the reason the Vikings followed that thrilling season by with an
implosion so spectacular it could probably be seen from space.

Favre giveth, and Favre throweth away. Even at the end of a season in which he showed up late,
extorted team owners for a raise, got his coach fired, destroyed his team's Super Bowl
aspirations, became the subject of a sexting scandal and groveled for sympathy every time he
stubbed his toe, Favre set a record for perseverance that may never be matched and conducted a
dozen of the most compelling, funny, insightful news conferences we'll ever witness. It is typical
of Favre that as his performance and machinations destroyed this season, destroyed what might
be the last chance for many of his teammates to qualify for a Super Bowl, he remained a popular
figure in the locker room, a source of humor and a subject of admiration. You can hate Favre or
love him. But why choose?

[KYPack]

Completely off topic, but you must be set up for 20 posts per page. You can go as high as 40. Settings/General Settings/Posts per page.

And now we return you to the never ending soap opera, otherwise known as the Favre thread.

You were right, Joe.

You are a regular tech wienie/propeller head.

Thx fer the tip.

[Patler]

The problem with trying to discern the truth of the situation from reading interviews by Favre is that he was caught in one inaccuracy after another throughout the ordeal. Throw in his classic exaggerations in front of the press during his entire career (every year the team was maybe the most talented he ever played on, etc.), and what Favre said about anything doesn't really convince me about the facts, although it can provide insight into his screwed up interpretations.

...and before anyone challenges me to "prove it", don't bother, because I have no desire to waste one second more of my time on this.

I closely followed the saga of Favre and his threatened retirements that started when he hit 30. I even predicted at the end of the 2007 season that he would in fact announce his retirement. Many of you thought I was crazy when I wrote that. Shortly after his retirement, I further stated that I would not be surprised if he later "unretired", but that he would never play another down for the Packers, regardless. Again, many said I was crazy, and that the Packers had to take him back because he was Brett Favre. I made those statements on this board (or whatever one it was that we all were on at that time).

With that as background, I feel comfortable in pontificating on the matter, but will document it only if I feel like it, not on request or demand. Believe me if want, or don't believe me, I really don't care.

By the end of 2007, Favre didn't want to be the QB of the Packers anymore than MM wanted him to be. Not a big deal. No one's fault, just the facts of the situation as I interpreted them.

I blame Mike Sherman for a lot of it. Sherman gave in to Favre time after time. Favre soon saw himself as bigger than the team, even though at heart he was a team player. In essence, he became drunk on the status he had attained. His impulsive personality was not well-suited for it. Throw in his preoccupation with his own desires, and it becomes even worse.

TT and MM were not tolerant of it, and slowly but surely began reining Favre in. They each grew tired of the other, but wanted to end it on their own termas. Favre thought he could play the fans in one final push to get his way, but it backfired and he learned that in fact the Packers had control if he still intended to play.

[woodbuck27]

I'm not standing down Brett Favre as the FOOTBALL PLAYER he was. And yes he was the most exciting player I have watched also. But did you totally miss the point? I'm not arguing that he was a great player, but how are you connecting his play on the field with his actions off the field as a man?

I'm not even criticizing him for emotional or human weakness, but that doesn't change the fact that he acted like a child in 08.

It's OK.

As a once fan of his. I'm sorry that you suffered.

Again. I suffered too for awhile but I got over myself.

I've never allowed anyone to cause me to suffer for too long without some personal course of change to alter the impact of that suffering. I'm as a football fan not responsible for the actions or behaviours of any players I choose to admire. Their actions good or bad not being any reflection of who I am.

In terms related to Brett Favre. I hold the bad in my left hand and hope that my right arm is strong enough to support all the good play and entertainment that man gave to me, and weighs in my right hand.

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

I've never allowed anyone to cause me to suffer for too long without some personal course of change to alter the impact of that suffering. I'm as a football fan not responsible for the actions or behaviours of any players I choose to admire. Their actions good or bad not being any reflection of who I am.

In terms related to Brett Favre. I hold the bad in my left hand and hope that my right arm is strong enough to support all the good play and entertainment that man gave to me, and weighs in my right hand.

GO PACK GO !

Are you willing to ignore what is in your left hand and remember only what you hold in your right hand? Is it not the combination of both that make the man? Isn't his legacy defined by both the good and the bad? Aren't we all defined by what we do to fill both your left hand and your right hand?

[Patler]

I was curious about the lawsuit in NY. Many thought Favre would have to testify, maybe even identify his penis under oath, admit to other affairs or attempted affairs, things like that. It was settled yesterday:

http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-lawsuit-alleging-favre-sent-racy-texts-settled-221200149.html

[3irty1]

Are you willing to ignore what is in your left hand and remember only what you hold in your right hand? Is it not the combination of both that make the man? Isn't his legacy defined by both the good and the bad? Aren't we all defined by what we do to fill both your left hand and your right hand?

Not at all. For instance if you were an 'NFL GM' who built a superbowl winning team a couple of years ago you still deserve 'a pineapple shoved up your ass' if you were to trade down twice with the 49ers (your 5th or 6th most hated rival). You see its ok to hold double standards when dealing with Brett Favre. He transcends both sports, legend, the institution of marriage, and even morality itself. He is bigger than any franchise even the oldest and most storied franchise. As a 'player' he has EARNED the right to waffle on retirement, and any franchise foolish enough to throwaway his immense gunslinging 'talent' in favor of younger QB will justly suffer his wrath to the tune of a career year with their 2nd biggest rival. Not even hindsight could justify such blasphemy, not even if said younger QB were to win a superbowl, an mvp, and fuck it, a superbowl mvp could such a move be justified. Furthermore, breathing life into the slanderous fictions of the media that suggest Brett Favre is anything more than a 'man' of impeccable character is grounds for those who know 'THE TRUTH' to act as if personally attacked. What is 'wrong' with you?

GO CROCS GO!

[falco]

Not at all. For instance if you were an 'NFL GM' who built a superbowl winning team a couple of years ago you still deserve 'a pineapple shoved up your ass' if you were to trade down twice with the 49ers (your 5th or 6th most hated rival). You see its ok to hold double standards when dealing with Brett Favre. He transcends both sports, legend, the institution of marriage, and even morality itself. He is bigger than any franchise even the oldest and most storied franchise. As a 'player' he has EARNED the right to waffle on retirement, and any franchise foolish enough to throwaway his immense gunslinging 'talent' in favor of younger QB will justly suffer his wrath to the tune of a career year with their 2nd biggest rival. Not even hindsight could justify such blasphemy, not even if said younger QB were to win a superbowl, an mvp, and fuck it, a superbowl mvp could such a move be justified. Furthermore, breathing life into the slanderous fictions of the media that suggest Brett Favre is anything more than a 'man' of impeccable character is grounds for those who know 'THE TRUTH' to act as if personally attacked. What is 'wrong' with you?

GO CROCS GO!

Post of the year!

And cue lengthy incoherent response in 3...2...1...

[denverYooper]

Not at all. For instance if you were an 'NFL GM' who built a superbowl winning team a couple of years ago you still deserve 'a pineapple shoved up your ass' if you were to trade down twice with the 49ers (your 5th or 6th most hated rival). You see its ok to hold double standards when dealing with Brett Favre. He transcends both sports, legend, the institution of marriage, and even morality itself. He is bigger than any franchise even the oldest and most storied franchise. As a 'player' he has EARNED the right to waffle on retirement, and any franchise foolish enough to throwaway his immense gunslinging 'talent' in favor of younger QB will justly suffer his wrath to the tune of a career year with their 2nd biggest rival. Not even hindsight could justify such blasphemy, not even if said younger QB were to win a superbowl, an mvp, and fuck it, a superbowl mvp could such a move be justified. Furthermore, breathing life into the slanderous fictions of the media that suggest Brett Favre is anything more than a 'man' of impeccable character is grounds for those who know 'THE TRUTH' to act as if personally attacked. What is 'wrong' with you?

GO CROCS GO!

Your use of irony quotes is far too normal ;).

[Iron Mike]

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[Pugger]

What are you posting?

I didn't 'think happen' what didn't happen Pugger. Brett Favre didn't retire in 2008.

Brett Favre played the 2008 season with the New York Jets. The 2009-10 seasons with the Minnesota Vikings.

Brett Favre retired following the 2010 season.

Did Brett Favre feel that the Green Bay Packers wanted him to retire in the 2008 Off season?

You'd have to be a Packer fan, lost on some remote island, with no outside communication since the Green Bay Packers NFC Championship loss to the New York GIANTS, to not know that was the 'exact case' Pugger. You pay better attention than to get that one confused in your long term memory Pugger.

Ahh that terrible Packer loss to the soon to become Super Bowl champion New York GIANTS. Brett Favre was so bad in that loss.

Mike McCarthy did a fine job of preparing his team for that game given the frigid Winter conditions that week. Yet... Brett Favre was 'the fall guy' and Mike McCarthy ducks another one. I can see the hand shake between TT and MM now.

After that loss to the GIANTS. Did a majority of Green Bay Packer fans; given Favre's incredible season expect what it would all come too? That 2007 ... a season where Brett Favre led his team as it's MVP to a 13-3 record, and an NFC Championship game. A season where 'only' one other NFL player was considered more valuable to his team by the AP.... would be Brett Favre's last as a Green Bay Packer?

Let's Re-cap that game:

The Green Bay Packers were defeated by the New York Giants at Lambeau Field in OT by a 23-20 score. Game time Temp. -1 °F (−20° to −40 °F (−40 °C) windchill factor) Really really cold. As a matter of fact it's being described as the 3rd coldest game in NFL history.

In that game Brett 'Bad Boy' Favre extended his NFL record to 18 straight playoff games with at least one touchdown pass. It came on a 90 yard touchdown throw to Donald Driver, the longest playoff pass in Packers team historyat that time. The 'Bad Boy' had more records in that game. His team lost that game by a FG. Brett Favre felt 'just' sick over that heartbreaking loss.

This would also be the final game in Brett Favre's legendary career as a Green Bay Packer.

Some time that summer did Brett Favre feel any pressure to retire by the Green Bay Packers?

You bet your Jammers he did. Let's not get really silly/stupid and there on that 'no question'. PLEASE.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3486775

Here's just a taste of that TRUTH Pugger and it's from Brett Favre himself:

MILWAUKEE --

Brett Favre finally is speaking for himself:

He wants to play but doesn't feel welcome in Green Bay, so he's asking to be released.

The quarterback's first substantial comments about his latest retirement decision reversal came in a Monday interview with Fox News on "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren."

"OK, you guys have a different path, fine," Favre said, recalling a June 20 conversation with Packers coach Mike McCarthy. "What does that mean for me? So that means either you give me my helmet, welcome [me] back, or release me, or attempt to trade me. We all know that's a possibility, but way-out-there possibility.

"And he says, 'Well, playing here is not an option, but we can't envision you playing with another team, you know, either.'

And I thought, so basically, I'm not playing for anyone if I choose to come back."

and later in this interview:

"Favre said he was "never fully committed" to retiring and felt pressured by the Packers to make a decision..."

This is Brett Favre and he damn near knocked himself out in that 2007 season Packer fans. He was as I posted before exhausted...nearly if not entirely burnt out. If it took retirement talk 'again' to satisfy inquisitive minds; so be it. If anyone who knew Brett Favre believed that was true after the season he had in 2007. They havn't been paying close attention to Brett Favre.

Brett Favre was definitely going to come back after an enormous 2007 season. Just not with the Green Bay Packers that had to concede to the man waiting in the wings:

Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers FUTURE not Brett Favre.

GO PACKERS !

If Favre didn't retire in 2008 what in the hell was that press conference all about? If you don't think he retired then that PC was a fake and a lie. Don't come back with "he played again in NY and MN." Nobody knew for sure if he was gonna play again. TT and company aren't that clairvoyant. If you want to believe Favre got screwed over by the Packers then fine, go ahead and keep that fantasy. IMO it was Favre who initiated the entire mess by retiring in the first place. He didn't have to go anywhere. Had he just kept his yap shut and returned in 2008 he would have been our starter. The real question you have to ask yourself is why did he leave a team that just weeks ago was on the cusp of the Super Bowl unless he felt he couldn't keep Rodgers in his place as his backup?

[Pugger]

Brett Favre made it to ..... the Super Bowl with his Packer team..... ahhhhhhh ....two....times.

And lost one of 'em. Rodgers is still in his prime. Let's see if he can return to the big game again before we go there.

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Way to go Scott !

Keep on a truckin' that silly trash on this thread..

Yea yea yeaaaa!

Maybe before this night is over the 'Brett Favre thread' will gallop all the way to 10,000 posts.

Your da man Scott.

GO ! GO !! GO !!! Scott Campbell.

I've always know this:

Once you get started there's 'no stopping you'.

Are you seeing your doctor Scott?


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