OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[woodbuck27]

[QUOTE=Patler;726600]

I had to remove your post to get mine on Patler. I won't comment on the first portion of your last post of yesterday, Fri. May 24, 2013... Otherwise, I make this response and in 'no way offer it' as an offense towords you, in terms of any creative license :???::

You and I sit on opposite sides of the Brett Favre discussion and I've always accepted that fact as OK. Because 'at least'... you post on this matter with some decorum and sense of sanity, decency and human tone of respect.

I read your post late last evening Patler. I wanted to sleep on it before using it to illustrate where I stood back in the 2007-08 off season, and throughout all the Brett Favre retiring (and again un-retiring) drama.

Going back to my immediate feelings just following the ... 23-20 O.T. NFC Championship loss to the soon to become Super Bowl Champion, New York GIANTS:

I said to a Packer fan friend of mine. That I felt that would be it for Brett Favre. I said that for three reasons:

1.) Favre had an amazing season overall in 2007. His personal stats a strong contributing factor in the packers 13-3 regular season record. He was voted Team MVP. He was runner-up NFL MVP. Team and NFL records still fell in that loss to the GIANTS. Thus an excellent time to walk away from NFL football. That especially pertinent in terms of NO.

2.) I felt that the relationship between himself and his GM (see Randy Moss etc. etc. ... etc.) and HC had regressed. It was obvious to me as a Packer fan if not to Brett Favre. That a change at QB was imminent because of the status of his heir apparent ... rookie contract.

3.) Aaron Rodgers was ready and deserved his opportunity.

Patler:

I can't say I clearly re-call your comments RE: That Favre would retire; then unretire and never play another snap for the Green Bay Packers. I believe that you did make such comments.

If we check the record and it would be here at Packerrats; because Mad gave us this awesome platform as Packer fans back in 2006.

I doubt even if I did comment on your predictions. That I would 'in all sincerety' have disagreed. I really felt that the game was over for Brett Favre as a Green Bay Packer. I'm writing here that I wasn't one of those fans that truly felt that Brett Favre must be allowed to return behind center in the 2008 season. Frankly as a Brett Favre fan I was suffering given his. In my eyes's a state of bad affairs 'no relationship' with his GM Ted Thompson.

I felt that way because of the 'last straw' Randy Moss bobble by Ted Thompson. Brett Favre's anger over that 'again' in his eyes Ted Thompson mismanagement. That any real bridge of trust between Favre and Ted Thompson was now totally gone.

I'm simply a Packer fan and Ted Thompson's 'ways' in not securing Randy Moss. The killer in that acquisition ... offering a two year contract to Randy Moss not 'only a one year contract' as Randy Moss desired. My packer fan position...Why did that seem 'ass backwards', as so much that Ted Thompson didn't do. To give Brett Favre a real shot.

You surely re-call that I felt that Ted Thompson was brought in to see Brett Favre's exit after the ridiculous way he played in that 2004 playoff Wild card game Vs the Minnesota Vikings. My way back then at JSO 'Ice Fishing story'. If Brett Favre wasn't suspicious or naïve of Ted Thompson; I certainly wasn't. Look at the Green Bay Packer performance in the first two seasons after Ted Thompson came aboard. A combined 12-20 record ! Is that an indication of the impressiveness of the new Packer GM?

Please spare me the fact that the Packer 4-12 record was under and on HC Mike Sherman. Ted Thompson stripped him of far too many assets. One of the best OL's in the NFL became 'daddy ted' SQUAT. Teddy came on in such 'a big' way. All he 'didn't do' was infuriating to this Packer fan. The dissembling of the Green Bay Packer was over the top too obvious.

Yet it's really hard to keep a good man down and thus Brett Favre's amazing 2007 season. That packer fans is how you define...'comeback'.

" By the end of 2007, Favre didn't want to be the QB of the Packers anymore than MM wanted him to be. Not a big deal. No one's fault, just the facts of the situation as I interpreted them." Patler

Comment woodbuck27:

See 2.) above.

Ted Thompson has to be one of the absolutely 'most frustrating' men I've ever encountered in Pro Sports 'as a fan'. I rank him right up there with George 'Punch' Imlach of the Toronto Maple Leafs in terms of my fan frustration if not distain.

Imlach's name in my books is: George 'Prick' Imlach.

Yup ... George 'Prick' Imlach and Ted 'slow teddy' Thompson... Boy Ohh boy ! Both of these men have certainly left an impression on me.

" I blame Mike Sherman for a lot of it. Sherman gave in to Favre time after time."

Comment woodbuck27:

Dear Lord... will the blame on poor ole Mike Sherman ever end in Packer Nation!? That man did the best he could with what he had and he was assessed and hired and kept on by the Green Bay Packers brass. When Ted Thompson was brought in as 'the hatchet man'. Why in the sake of anything sacred was Mike Sherman maintained to 'only', as it was evidently obvious. Be retained to suffer such an incredible embarrassment as a 4-12 season!??

That was simply put...'just' sick. Clearly the Packer Brass 'only' did half a job in that regard.

Ohh maybe we can excuse that one with the ole...20/20 hindsight excuse.

" Favre soon saw himself as bigger than the team, even though at heart he was a team player. In essence, he became drunk on the status he had attained. His impulsive personality was not well-suited for it. Throw in his preoccupation with his own desires, and it becomes even worse." Patler

Comment woodbuck27:

Patler, your layman's knowledge of psychological profiling is profound. I'm learning that:

There's where being a Packer fan 'insider', certainly has it's advantages or (question to self) is it really 'turned' ... disadvantages?

Where you Patler. Like so many truly 'in the know'; over us less privileged Packer fans. Can turn too being so incredibly judgemental. I can 'only' really shake my head. Won't wish you good luck with that.

I'm just wondering as so many judged Brett Favre where did the Green Bay Packers get it so ironically wrong offering Brett Favre a $20 million$ bribe to stay retired. that in return for some personal service contract extending over a ten (10) year period. Why not simply say goodbye and good riddance to his 'Rat Ass'? Ohh Dear... did the Green Bay Packers Brass make another error!?

Maybe a part of that personal service contract was that Favre would have to attend certain Packer games at Lambeau field wearing some mascot uniform!? Yea! Dress him up in 'a Gorilla uniform'.

"TT and MM were not tolerant of it, and slowly but surely began reining Favre in. They each grew tired of the other, but wanted to end it on their own terms. Favre thought he could play the fans in one final push to get his way, but it backfired and he learned that in fact the Packers had control if he still intended to play." Patler

Comment woodbuck27:

Why does there have to be in your analysis a 'good cop - bad cop' thing going on here?

It's simply this:

Brett Favre decides to retire (again). As he later looked at it and inspite for any justifiable reasons for such a false retirement announcement. TT and MM jumped all over that and moved straight on to the really 'only' direction they had. To make Aaron Rodgers the Green Bay Packers NO. 1 QB.

Then the Brett Favre waffling begins. He has a strong >>>to stronger desire to play again. His fire is lit...he can taste another season and more as a Green Bay Packer. When it really sets in that that avenue is no longer open. Favre asks for his release. Under 'no condition', not even a $20 million$ bribe will derail his desire for another Super Bowl ring. He then discovers that the Green Bay Packers cannot release or even trade him. Heck! Forget that $20 million$ bribe. His locker was going to be ...or was sent to him. He must therefore remain retired.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This is Brett Favre gentleman/ladies. I DON'T THINK SO !

In order for arguably the GREATEST Green Bay Packer of ALL TIME to exercise 'HIS' Freedom Of Rights. The NFL HO must put pressure on the Green Bay Packers to act with some respect for that and Brett Favre. Even after the Mike McCarthy sideways 'Indian Giver' bullshit talk:

" Sure Brett ...you can compete for the NO. QB spot as long as you agree that Aaron Rodgers will get by far NO. 1 billing in all Pre-Season games. "

It was certainly now time for Brett Favre to cut bait and get out of Green Bay. The play me or trade me scenario was certainly deserved after his 2007 season. More certainly deserved after all his service to the Green bay Packers. Yes he was well paid for that service but all that went with his career. That career being over that top...amazing...or well yes...LEGENDARY.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Dear Lord...I just realized that my last pooooooosssssstttt.

Was the 10,000th post on this incredible thread. Dedicated to 'an incredible' Green Bay Packer, Brett Favre.

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Edit: NOT !! My post in response to Patler was 'in fact' the 10,001st post. Iron Mike made the 10,000th post on this thread.

CONGRATULATIONS ! Iron Mike !!

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In any case:

Wherever you are MOOB DEEP. THANKS for starting this thread.

Also Mad. Thanks for maintaining this thread on Packerrats.

Thanks Mad...For persevering for the general good. For holding strong under such a barrage by those members of Packerrats that hold distain for Brett Favre. Who wrongly desired anything about Brett Favre to simply disappear.

Such nonsense ... as how many LEGENDS ever end up as anything but 'a LEGEND' !? :-D

Hear ! Hear !! To >>> MOOB DEEP.

Hear ! Hear !!! To MadTownPacker.

Hear ! Hear !!!! To Packerrats !!!!

Hear Hear !!!!! To 'the Legendary'... Brett Favre.

Hear Hear !!!!!! To THE GREEN BAY PACKERS !!!!!!

With this 10,002nd post on this thread >>>Please Mad...

Let this incredible thread stay alive on our Packer forum. PLEASE !

I cannot possible express my extreme delight at having the honour of being the member of Packerrats to make this post.

Again....Thank You Mad.

GO PACK GO !

[Scott Campbell]

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[Iron Mike]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

Dear Lord...I just realized that my last pooooooosssssstttt.

Was the 10,000th post on this incredible thread.

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WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! 10,000th post goes to Iron Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scott Campbell]

Hear ! Hear !! To >>> MOOB DEEP.

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[woodbuck27]

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Thanks Scott for all your ahhh.... efforts... to push this thread to the TOP of Packerrats ...much appreciated by this Packerrat..

And this too....

I loved Mr. MAGOO. :glug: errrrrr ... maybe not in your case.

When I saw the movie 'UP'. It was almost like a revival of his character.

GO PACKERS !

[Iron Mike]

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[woodbuck27]

If Favre didn't retire in 2008 what in the hell was that press conference all about? If you don't think he retired then that PC was a fake and a lie. Don't come back with "he played again in NY and MN." Nobody knew for sure if he was gonna play again. TT and company aren't that clairvoyant. If you want to believe Favre got screwed over by the Packers then fine, go ahead and keep that fantasy. IMO it was Favre who initiated the entire mess by retiring in the first place. He didn't have to go anywhere. Had he just kept his yap shut and returned in 2008 he would have been our starter. The real question you have to ask yourself is why did he leave a team that just weeks ago was on the cusp of the Super Bowl unless he felt he couldn't keep Rodgers in his place as his backup?

WOW! Your scaring me.

Why so gruff !?

I can't handle 'the darkness'. Scared !!!

PACKERS !

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[Iron Mike]

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[woodbuck27]

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Iron Mike...my mistake. CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!

After I posted I looked at the Packers Index and saw that the post count for the thread was sitting at 10,000 and 'just thought ' that my post must be the 10,000th. I was surprized that the count had risen so fast as we were some 40 odd posts removed from the 10,000 mark when I went to bed last night.

Iron Mike you get credit for the 10,000th post on this thread. likely you'll receive some large prize for that achievement. If I was you I'd try my best to track down MOOB DEEP and give that prize to him.

In conclusion:

My written post or response to Patlers post is 'in fact ...the 10,001st post on this thread. An honour indeed in 'it's own sense', as any future post will be on this thread >>> going forward.

The Favre thread is indeed a Legendary thread.

A growing tribute to the LEGEND that's Brett Favre.

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THE LEGEND NO. 4.

[3irty1]

Post of the year!

And cue lengthy incoherent response in 3...2...1...

Oh geez. I wrote this at 3:30 AM last night while I was knee-walking shitfaced. You'd almost have to be to read anything in this turd of a thread but then I logged on to see I had a pile of reps haha.

[swede]

I was in a nursing home home sun room visiting an elderly aunt and two old men in wheelchairs were arguing with each other about two completely different things for a long time until the nurse came and wheeled one of them away. One would say, "Ahh fer crying out loud you can't lay a gravel roadbed over the asphalt I don't care what you say!" And the other one would reply, "He hit 25 homers that year and his average dropped to .285!" And so on for a long time. I think it was hard for those guys to die without getting a few of these things off of their chest.

This thread is almost better.

[woodbuck27]

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Congratulations Packerrats !

The Favre THREAD >>> a Crowning Achievement.

So many wonderful contributors. I know that we're all so proud.

A GREAT PACKER FAN CHEER FOR ALL.

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LOOK How Happy Brett Favre is for Packerrats.

[MJZiggy]

Your post reminded me of something written about Favre late in 2010.

Brett Favre will stand on the Vikings' sideline for the last time today. Thus will end one of the
most volatile episodes in Minnesota sports history, an 18-month window in which Favre
sequentially proved right anyone who ever praised or doubted him.

Favre will end his career as a limping contradiction. In a society that revels in either-or debates,
Favre has proved that "all of the above" can be the correct assessment of a polarizing individual.
You can take either side in a debate about Favre and be right. He is at once the most prolific
passer in NFL history and the most erratic great quarterback to ever play the game.

He is renowned for his fourth-quarter comebacks and clutch play, and yet has thrown more
season-destroying interceptions than any quarterback in history.

He is the toughest man in the annals of a brutal sport -- having started 297 consecutive games at a
position that is the equivalent of a clay pigeon at a shotgun range -- and the most emotionally
needy player ever to don a helmet.

He is a charismatic leader who can unite a locker room and inspire a huddle, and he is a divisive
figure who was known in New York for ignoring his teammates.

He wouldn't tutor Aaron Rodgers, his chosen successor in Green Bay , yet he volunteers his time
coaching high school kids in Hattiesburg , Miss. He launched or improved the careers of a dozen
coaches -- including Andy Reid, Jon Gruden and Mike Holmgren -- and ended the head coaching
career of the man who brought him to Minnesota and helped him make $28 million in 18
months.
He craves the spotlight but won't dress for it, favoring old jeans, sweaty golf hats and perpetual
stubble even during news conferences watched by millions.
He shuns the media five days a week -- a writer from Washington , D.C. , once told me it was
easier to land a one-on-one interview with the President than with Favre -- yet manipulates
national reporters every week to disseminate dubious messages.

He will forever be remembered as an iconic Packer, yet he began his career with Atlanta , visited
New York and chose to finish his career with the Packers' arch-rival, intent on beating the
franchise that made him famous. He is a Hall of Fame quarterback who became a symbol of
longevity, and yet each of the four teams that employed him was glad to see him go.

He prides himself, as he once told me, in "playing like a kid," even when teammates put a
rocking chair in front of his locker. He "loves the game" yet can't bring himself to show up for
offseason workouts or the opening day of training camp.

He is a Southern good ol' boy who made his reputation on the Frozen Tundra. He reveres the
record book and NFL history but once flopped on the ground to help New York Giants defensive
end Michael Strahan break a sack record.

All of which makes you wonder: When Brett Favre looks in the mirror, does his reflection appear
in 3-D? Because Favre is so internally conflicted, so relentlessly contradictory, offering a final
assessment of him isn't easy. Remember, it was a year ago that Favre was preparing to help the
Vikings whip the Dallas Cowboys in the Metrodome, in one of the most impressive
victories in franchise history. It was less than a year ago that Favre was preparing to run the
Vikings' offense up and down the field against the eventual Super Bowl champion
Saints in the deafening Superdome. At the age of 40, in his first season in purple, Favre came
within one pass of taking the Vikings to a Super Bowl they might well have won. Therein lies the
Favre conundrum: He was the reason the Vikings were able to come within one of Favre's
startlingly amateurish interceptions of doing what had never been done before in 50 years of
Vikings history, and he was the reason the Vikings followed that thrilling season by with an
implosion so spectacular it could probably be seen from space.

Favre giveth, and Favre throweth away. Even at the end of a season in which he showed up late,
extorted team owners for a raise, got his coach fired, destroyed his team's Super Bowl
aspirations, became the subject of a sexting scandal and groveled for sympathy every time he
stubbed his toe, Favre set a record for perseverance that may never be matched and conducted a
dozen of the most compelling, funny, insightful news conferences we'll ever witness. It is typical
of Favre that as his performance and machinations destroyed this season, destroyed what might
be the last chance for many of his teammates to qualify for a Super Bowl, he remained a popular
figure in the locker room, a source of humor and a subject of admiration. You can hate Favre or
love him. But why choose?





Sounds like something off of Grantland.

[woodbuck27]

I was in a nursing home home sun room visiting an elderly aunt and two old men in wheelchairs were arguing with each other about two completely different things for a long time until the nurse came and wheeled one of them away. One would say, "Ahh fer crying out loud you can't lay a gravel roadbed over the asphalt I don't care what you say!" And the other one would reply, "He hit 25 homers that year and his average dropped to .285!" And so on for a long time. I think it was hard for those guys to die without getting a few of these things off of their chest.

This thread is almost better.

This thread is like good pizza and a banana split for desert.

Delicious.

[Scott Campbell]

Iron Mike...my mistake. CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!
If I was you I'd try my best to track down MOOB DEEP and give that prize to him.

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[woodbuck27]

When I made this post I never thought that Packerrats would push so hard for the Magic 10,000 (500 page) post >>> in this awesome thread. What an awesome 'push'.: :-D

05-14-2013, 02:32 PM Post #9671

By: 'Yours Truly' >>> back on page 484.

Lots in this article that interesting from Packers’ president and CEO Mark Murphy's perspective including The Packers moving on without three of their most popular players with the loss of Jennings, Driver and Woodson. Also please check out the part dedicated to WR Randall Cobb... Cobb’s future bright

I wanted to tie a few things together ... RE: Favre and his possible (inevitable) re-union with the Green Bay Packers. That's been covered but maybe not exactly as I'm presenting here:

From the Link above:

What about Favre?

"The Packers took a step in the right direction in warming their icy relationship with Favre at the NFL awards program in February when the three-time MVP joined Rodgers at the podium to present Peyton Manning with the 2012 Comeback Player of the Year award.

“I thought it was a very good first step,” Murphy said.

“We’ve said we want to retire his number and get him back here. It’s got to be the right timing for both him and us. It’s a pretty significant honor and he deserves it. He was one of the greatest players, if not the greatest player, in the history of the organization.”

Favre, who has stated publicly he has no relationship with the Packers, is currently the offensive coordinator for Oak Grove High School in Hattiesburg, Miss."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/ta...me/mark-murphy

Please Read:

Aaron Rodgers cleans up for Packers, Favre

February, 5, 2013 ... By Kevin Seifert ... ESPN.com

Prior to that phone conversation, Rodgers and Favre hadn't spoken much since 2008 -- a distance I've always attributed to their distinctly different personalities as well as the inherent tension of a Hall of Fame succession. In the end, however, it was probably on Rodgers -- for lack of a better phrase -- to be the grown-up here. Favre wasn't likely to beg the Packers for forgiveness, and if Packers president Mark Murphy or general manager Ted Thompson have reached out to Favre, it has not been reported publicly.

"It didn't take a lot of coaxing for me to do it," Rodgers said. "I did want to sit and think about whether it was the right thing to do. I really feel very secure in my position with the team and feel good about the things that we've been able to accomplish in my five years as the starter, and feel good about the direction the organization is going in.

"Brett is two years removed from the game. He's going to obviously be in the Packers Hall of Fame. He'll get his number retired, and he'll be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in the next few years. It's important, I think, to make sure that he's recognized for all the accomplishments that he's achieved in our organization especially. He's still very dear to many of our fans for the things that he's done for the Packers on the field. You can never take that away." Fr. LINK immediately

Finally:

Brett Favre: Disappointment of losing led to retirement talk NFL.com

Published: April 13, 2013 at 01:58 a.m.

Updated: April 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...etirement-talk

"Favre's many will-he-or-won't he melodramas -- first with the Packers, later with the Minnesota Vikings -- made him the butt of nationwide jokes, and were taken as a sign of the future Pro Football Hall of Famer's selfishness, even diva mentality. According to ESPN's Jason Wilde, however, Favre said the exact opposite was true." Fr. LINK

See LINK above for Brett Favre's response to this.

" Favre also explained what it felt like when his career ended on a concussion suffered during a 2010 Vikings home game that had to be played outdoors at TFC Bank Stadium because of roof damage to the Metrodome. " Fr. LINK

See LINK above for Brett Favre's response to this.

Favre predictably was asked about a possible reunion with the Pack.

His answer:

"We'll do it one day."

Comment woodbuck27:

Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson.

The time when Brett Favre will become a first ballot HOFer isn't far away.

Please ... don't embarrass/taint the Legacy/History of all that's been the GREEN BAY PACKERS by procrastinating in terms of retiring Brett Favre's number and adding him and all he gave to the Green Bay Packers with a formal recognition and induction in the Packers HOF.

Get that done ASAP. Please 'just' do it !

Comment woodbuck27:

Maybe it's because we don't have a lot to focus our discussions on at this time of 'the Off Season'; but all the same, this post sure caused the flurry of responses needed to push for the 10,000th post.

All of Packerrats should be proud. :rs:

GO Packerrats GO !

GO PACK GO !

[gbgary]

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i've never seen the text. is this what he actually sent? lol





GO CROCS GO!

lol

[pbmax]

i've never seen the text. is this what he actually sent? lol




lol

I am not sure about all of it, but the part about the PR person being his go to confirmation guy was true. It was how the Jets got dragged into this prior to the massage a trois.

[wpony]

on the day this hits 10000NYC lawsuit alleging Favre sent racy texts settled on the day this hits 10000 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nyc-lawsuit-alleging-favre-sent-210933112--nfl.html

[denverYooper]

Looks like I missed all of the fireworks.

As the kids these days say...

"Epic".

[Patler]

today he talks to coles about how he's not trying to replace his freinship with chad, he's just here to help them win

bubba says #4 "still has it, ask any of the WRs" and that he's been "making incredible plays"

bubba's locker is rght next to lord's and he comes to him with any questions

brett says his arm is a little fatigued ("no pain") and that he felt 38 today - mangini states that this is normal for camp b/c u take more reps than most weeks during season.

brett also favorably compared coles and his other wrs to the ones he had in GB with respect to their play-making abilities (YACS) - this along with the fact that thomas jones is AT LEAST as good as grant gives team hope....


LET'S GOOOOOOOO.....!!!!!


Wait 10 minutes - he might change his mind.


btw, im goin to use this thread to post info i get during #4's career with the jets. i will do my best to limit my comments about brett to this thread, so that the posters who cringe at my (and others') pro-favre/jet posts can simply avoid them by ignoring the thread

thanks

I thought we should bump posts #1, #2 and #3 to see where this all started.

[Joemailman]

Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson.

The time when Brett Favre will become a first ballot HOFer isn't far away.

Please ... don't embarrass/taint the Legacy/History of all that's been the GREEN BAY PACKERS by procrastinating in terms of retiring Brett Favre's number and adding him and all he gave to the Green Bay Packers with a formal recognition and induction in the Packers HOF.

Get that done ASAP. Please 'just' do it !

Before you schedule a big bash for the Guest Of Honor, it's probably a good idea to make sure the Guest Of Honor is going to show up. Favre has said nothing that would indicate he's ready to return to Green Bay. Saying "It'll happen one day", is a long way from saying you're anxious for it to happen.

It will happen when Favre wants it to happen. Favre has given no indication when that might be.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Honestly he shouldn't even have his number retired if more years pass. Yeah I said it, what.

If after five years he is still not over what happened then he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged. It is an honor to have your number retired and he should feel grateful. The fact that he doesn't want it to happen until he is good and well ready to be honored is kind of pathetic if you ask me. If I was the packers I would ask him if we can did it this year and if he says no then don't ask again. Him still acting like a baby shows he didn't learn anything from what happened. Time to get off the high horse already jeez.

[MJZiggy]

Honestly he shouldn't even have his number retired if more years pass. Yeah I said it, what.

If after five years he is still not over what happened then he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged. It is an honor to have your number retired and he should feel grateful. The fact that he doesn't want it to happen until he is good and well ready to be honored is kind of pathetic if you ask me. If I was the packers I would ask him if we can did it this year and if he says no then don't ask again. Him still acting like a baby shows he didn't learn anything from what happened. Time to get off the high horse already jeez.:drma:

[Cheesehead Craig]

The problem with trying to discern the truth of the situation from reading interviews by Favre is that he was caught in one inaccuracy after another throughout the ordeal. Throw in his classic exaggerations in front of the press during his entire career (every year the team was maybe the most talented he ever played on, etc.), and what Favre said about anything doesn't really convince me about the facts, although it can provide insight into his screwed up interpretations.

...and before anyone challenges me to "prove it", don't bother, because I have no desire to waste one second more of my time on this.

I closely followed the saga of Favre and his threatened retirements that started when he hit 30. I even predicted at the end of the 2007 season that he would in fact announce his retirement. Many of you thought I was crazy when I wrote that. Shortly after his retirement, I further stated that I would not be surprised if he later "unretired", but that he would never play another down for the Packers, regardless. Again, many said I was crazy, and that the Packers had to take him back because he was Brett Favre. I made those statements on this board (or whatever one it was that we all were on at that time).

With that as background, I feel comfortable in pontificating on the matter, but will document it only if I feel like it, not on request or demand. Believe me if want, or don't believe me, I really don't care.

By the end of 2007, Favre didn't want to be the QB of the Packers anymore than MM wanted him to be. Not a big deal. No one's fault, just the facts of the situation as I interpreted them.

I blame Mike Sherman for a lot of it. Sherman gave in to Favre time after time. Favre soon saw himself as bigger than the team, even though at heart he was a team player. In essence, he became drunk on the status he had attained. His impulsive personality was not well-suited for it. Throw in his preoccupation with his own desires, and it becomes even worse.

TT and MM were not tolerant of it, and slowly but surely began reining Favre in. They each grew tired of the other, but wanted to end it on their own termas. Favre thought he could play the fans in one final push to get his way, but it backfired and he learned that in fact the Packers had control if he still intended to play.

Outstanding post and take Patler.

[easy cheesy]

Honestly he shouldn't even have his number retired if more years pass. Yeah I said it, what.

If after five years he is still not over what happened then he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged. It is an honor to have your number retired and he should feel grateful. The fact that he doesn't want it to happen until he is good and well ready to be honored is kind of pathetic if you ask me. If I was the packers I would ask him if we can did it this year and if he says no then don't ask again. Him still acting like a baby shows he didn't learn anything from what happened. Time to get off the high horse already jeez.

:glug:

[Patler]

Honestly he shouldn't even have his number retired if more years pass. Yeah I said it, what.

If after five years he is still not over what happened then he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged. It is an honor to have your number retired and he should feel grateful. The fact that he doesn't want it to happen until he is good and well ready to be honored is kind of pathetic if you ask me. If I was the packers I would ask him if we can did it this year and if he says no then don't ask again. Him still acting like a baby shows he didn't learn anything from what happened. Time to get off the high horse already jeez.

I've often wondered how much they regret having announced it so soon after he retired the first time. I think it was probably done to "seal" the retirement, thinking the announcement of a date certain would nail the door shut on a possible reconsideration on his part. Of course, it didn't do that, and now it is an awkward commitment that will continually be asked about until it finally occurs.

[Iron Mike]

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[Joemailman]

Honestly he shouldn't even have his number retired if more years pass. Yeah I said it, what.

If after five years he is still not over what happened then he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged. It is an honor to have your number retired and he should feel grateful. The fact that he doesn't want it to happen until he is good and well ready to be honored is kind of pathetic if you ask me. If I was the packers I would ask him if we can did it this year and if he says no then don't ask again. Him still acting like a baby shows he didn't learn anything from what happened. Time to get off the high horse already jeez.

In fairness to Favre, it may be he is reluctant to return to Green Bay because he is afraid of what the fan reaction would be. He might think more time is needed to let time heal wounds. We just don't know, but it is one possibility.

[RashanGary]

Some really nice posts on these last couple pages. Nice job md, Patler, everyone.

Woodbuck, not to be rude, I consider you a friend in life, but not a fellow Packer fan. The things Favre did when he left and his retirement games felt like a slap in the face to me, as a Packer fan. Anyone who was a Packer fan during that era and didn't feel that slap in the face, does not experience the Packers the way I do. And sometimes I get the feeling you want the Packers to fail, like you can't wait for an opportunity to jump down our throats, like every moment is an opportunity for revenge. Sometimes when things go wrong, I don't even want to open this site so I don't have to see what you and a few others are writing because it's going to be so fucking negative and disheartening. It's like there are Packer fans and then there is you (and a few others), who wants us to pay for this Favre thing.

md said it very well above, Favre not accepting the honors the Packers are offering him is yet another slap in the face as a Packer fan.

Responding to Patler, about the Packers possibly regretting offering Favre the things they did. . . . That may very well be. But it's like anything else. The people you tie yourself to have a very strong ability to hurt you. Favre was so closely tied to the Packers and was so influential with the fans, he had a very strong ability to hurt the Packers, and he used that ability in all of it's horror (or glory for you, woodbuck, since you consider that guy glorious.) And who is closer to Favre than the Packers were? His wife and childeren. Look at the humiliation he placed at their feet. The closer you get to that man, the more severe the burn will be, and none had it worse than his family.

packer_md strikes me as a very strong, regular, respectful, honorable person. I use his/her position as a very good example of how most of humanity is affected by Favre's ations. If Favre doesn't wake up soon with some humility, if he keeps dragging this on. He's going to further taint his reputation by having the appearance of not being able to let go, not being able to move on, not being a person most people respect. I hope he doesn't. He's lost the respect of a lot of people with the pictures he was sending of his penis, the creepy messages, the cheating on his wife, the tantrums he threw during the retirement-unretirement process, and so much more. For every slap Favre puts on the face of the Packers, there are millions of people watching, shaking their heads, and I think it's helping build the legacy of the Packers as a great, honorable organization. Everyone feels the urge to slap back, but not doing so, sometimes, taking the pain with dignity and courage, can sometimes build more respect than a slap back ever could. I know what legacy I'd rather be associated with, Woodbuck. The way you support Favre, honestly, makes me lose respect for you. What he did I cannot respect. The fact that you admire/honor that man disgusts me.

[RashanGary]

Influence is power, and Favre thrived on it. You can see guys like woodbuck thrive on it too. He's living vicariously through Favre, pumping up Favre's influence by praising this thread.

Well, guess what, woodbuck. . . in the end, if people stick together (like Packer fans are doing here.) none of that power can take us down. This thread could be 20,000 posts long, 1000 pages long and it will certainly be testament to the influence (power) favre held/holds over Packer fans. But. . . . It cannot break us down unless we let it. We watch kids growing up without homes get married and have children in beautiful, secure homes through football. We get to know guys and share in their joy as they fulfill their dreams. Football matters to people on all kinds of levels, personal levels.

You coming here, parading Favre's power over us, it doesn't feel good, but we have the ability to feel it AND move on and enjoy our team together. And guess what, that's exactly what people are doing here, and because of it, it is you who is losing the power. It is Favre who is losing the influence/power.

He's done a lot of things that have turned a great, respected career into a tarnished legacy and in the case of his penis pictures, a laughing stock. Now he has the power to finish the job and die without ever fully sharing the experiences of his life with the people whom he experienced life with.

On a human level, this is fucking sad, woodbuck. This is guy white-knuckling life and leaving humiliation/devastation in his wake. In light of that wake, you need to wake the fuck up and get a grip, woodbuck. This is not glory. This is senseless strife. This is extending pain far longer than it needs to be extended. He needs to let go and just come back and celebrate the time he got to be with the Packers. Like all of life, there were great/horrible/good/bad and somewhat indifferent times. But the great/good are the parts we can hang onto, the horrible/bad we can learn from, then let go of. That is possible. That's what it's about.

[woodbuck27]

Some really nice posts on these last couple pages. Nice job md, Patler, everyone.

Woodbuck, not to be rude, I consider you a friend in life, but not a fellow Packer fan. The things Favre did when he left and his retirement games felt like a slap in the face to me, as a Packer fan. Anyone who was a Packer fan during that era and didn't feel that slap in the face, does not experience the Packers the way I do. And sometimes I get the feeling you want the Packers to fail, like you can't wait for an opportunity to jump down our throats, like every moment is an opportunity for revenge. Sometimes when things go wrong, I don't even want to open this site so I don't have to see what you and a few others are writing because it's going to be so fucking negative and disheartening. It's like there are Packer fans and then there is you (and a few others), who wants us to pay for this Favre thing.

md said it very well above, Favre not accepting the honors the Packers are offering him is yet another slap in the face as a Packer fan.

Responding to Patler, about the Packers possibly regretting offering Favre the things they did. . . . That may very well be. But it's like anything else. The people you tie yourself to have a very strong ability to hurt you. Favre was so closely tied to the Packers and was so influential with the fans, he had a very strong ability to hurt the Packers, and he used that ability in all of it's horror (or glory for you, woodbuck, since you consider that guy glorious.) And who is closer to Favre than the Packers were? His wife and childeren. Look at the humiliation he placed at their feet. The closer you get to that man, the more severe the burn will be, and none had it worse than his family.

packer_md strikes me as a very strong, regular, respectful, honorable person. I use his/her position as a very good example of how most of humanity is affected by Favre's ations. If Favre doesn't wake up soon with some humility, if he keeps dragging this on. He's going to further taint his reputation by having the appearance of not being able to let go, not being able to move on, not being a person most people respect. I hope he doesn't. He's lost the respect of a lot of people with the pictures he was sending of his penis, the creepy messages, the cheating on his wife, the tantrums he threw during the retirement-unretirement process, and so much more. For every slap Favre puts on the face of the Packers, there are millions of people watching, shaking their heads, and I think it's helping build the legacy of the Packers as a great, honorable organization. Everyone feels the urge to slap back, but not doing so, sometimes, taking the pain with dignity and courage, can sometimes build more respect than a slap back ever could. I know what legacy I'd rather be associated with, Woodbuck. The way you support Favre, honestly, makes me lose respect for you. What he did I cannot respect. The fact that you admire/honor that man disgusts me.

JH:

I celebrate Brett Favre the football player. I've always 'just' been there as a Packer fan. Sorry man but if you believe your positions on Brett Favre make you a better Green Bay Packer fan than me. So be it. Believe what you need to believe.

The sad TRUTH JH:

Your mistaken.

You've called me out... thus I'm placed in a position where my integrity demands a response to you JH.

I'm a Packer fan that celebrated Brett Favre the football player I enjoyed. Not always enjoying and at times being repaginated by Brett Favre the human being. Until... I got my head back to earth, Realizing that as a human being Brett Favre's struggles are no different than most human beings. We all suffer our struggles and handle them or not in different ways JH. I didn't always agree with the manner in which Brett Favre conducted his private life but as the person I am. I refuse to judge Brett Favre. See JH:

I try my damnest not to judge any person. I constantly struggle with that conviction. I try to like all people including members here. Just as members here judge and dislike me. I try to ignore that in terms of 'again'... who I feel I must be. See JH....I have to live with me.

I've put it on the record the pain I felt about the things Brett Favre did away from the football field that have tarnished his reputation. I was 'just sick' for Brett Favre wife (Deanna) and his children and close and extended family over the Jenn Sterger Vs Brett Favre 'sexting scandal'. I've never looked at any leud Pic's (supposedly of Brett Favre's penis) as I'm stronger than to get into such smut. Instead... I confided with a member of Packerrats as to the authenticity of those cell phone pic's. After such I was convinced by this member. That 'in fact' he believed the pic's were of Brett Favre.

That revelation reaqlly bothered ...hurt me JH. That was a lot for me to deal with JH.

That correspondence with this member left me literally 'just sick' with Brett Favre. It took some time for that personal disappointment ... that pain to go away. Somehow that pain left me JH.

So you sit at your keyboard and critique me (judge me) and positions I'm as free as you are RE: anything Brett Favre.... to take. You slam me as a lesser Green Bay Packer fan that you are. If that is your need. Fill your boots. The TRUTH is simply this. More or less than you. I am a solid Green Bay Packer fan. For you to attack me as anything else is.... well...... it makes me feel sad for you.

I'll defend my position as a Green Bay Packer fan as your completely 'off base' in your allegations mister. I'll rebut such utter nonsense on your part simply thus:

It's your claim that I'm less of a Packer fan that you or anyone else here that takes the negative 'down on Brett Favre'. Whatever fills your boots and that JH; but your sadly to me wrong.

I'm a Green bay Packer fan that wants the team I've supported for over five decades to fail!? That's your claim. Well your claim is completely 'out to lunch'. Your claim is pure and utter nonsense !

Your imagination is sadly deluded man. In those five decades 'plus' that I've been a Green Bay Packer fan. I loyally supported the Green Bay Packers through all that was sometimes 'just awful' or the 1970's- 80's.

Brett Favre's arrival gave to me as a Packer fan 'new and real hope'. Hope that I maintained throughout Favre's time as the Packer NO. 1 QB. I mean he gave me sincere and undeluded hope even in his final game as a Green bay Packer.

Do you read all that I write? I write a lot so I expect not. I'm clearly on record as supporting the decision to see the Green Bay Packers allow Aaron Rodgers his shot after the 2007 season.

So JH here it is** .

I'll inform 'YOU JH'; and I'll extend this to any member of this board that feels such need as your expressing. That I'm a lesser Green Bay Packer fan. Your evidence of that... my position on Brett Favre and your 'silly nonsense that I hope the Packers lose and that 'for whatever you might drum up' sick reason.

By the way that accusation against me really SUCKS JH... but here we are.

Any attempt to try to ride me into the dirt as a 'lesser' Green Bay Packer fan of less repute than 'YOU' or anyone else on this board because I refuse to condemn all I saw in Brett Favre.

Your not 'only' out to lunch man. Your obsessed with your needs to hate Brett Favre. To characterize your feeling as anything less that that negative emotion, is to delude yourself. Your hatred is so very slanted that you extend that hatred to me. A five decade plus Green Bay Packer fan. For that you as the man you are 'only' deserve one clear and succinct rebuttal and not all I've written to this point in this post:

JH....FUCK OFF 'with the creepy nonsense'. Please.

You know what all such does here? Your well aware of the ways of some of our membership. I'm not going to add fuel for their sick amusement. Those posters here that love to see the shit your post to me might drum up... if I allow that to happen.

Sorry ... and 'you' can put your popcorn away as that's NOT going to happen as the butter is getting... going to get real thick/cold.

I celebrate this day and this post as a Green Bay Packer fan.

As decent and proud to be such as 'any of the rest of you'.

GO PACK GO!

[Pugger]

Maybe PaCkFan_n_MD is right, we shouldn't retire his number................or anyone else's in the future. I thought I heard/read somewhere that the league frowns on that now. Enshrining him in the Packer HOF should suffice and we wouldn't find the need to rehash this again for the umpteenth time.

[woodbuck27]

Honestly he shouldn't even have his number retired if more years pass. Yeah I said it, what.

If after five years he is still not over what happened then he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged. It is an honor to have your number retired and he should feel grateful. The fact that he doesn't want it to happen until he is good and well ready to be honored is kind of pathetic if you ask me. If I was the packers I would ask him if we can did it this year and if he says no then don't ask again. Him still acting like a baby shows he didn't learn anything from what happened. Time to get off the high horse already jeez.

I do not mean this post to be taken in any other way but as a concern from me for you to learn 'the TRUTH' PaCkFan_n_MD. I'm not here to argue or demonstrate any manner of animosity over this; what should now be 'a simple matter' of acceptance.

Brett Favre has been over it for a long time Packer fan. Sometimes it can be far more complicated than meets the eye. Favre has bent over backwards trying his level best to help you the Packer fan/ NFL fan see it all as it was/is.

Maybe it might take a little more effort on your part? Just a question you might ask yourself. I'm not even suggesting that you go there. Such has to be a personal decision, and one with complete 'open mindedness'.

As to getting over it and Brett Favre:

Favre was over it, and clearly stated as much, going back to the conclusion of the 2008 season. He has told us over and over again. That 'he's over it', if you read his many statements on this issue/matter. Maybe? Simply take your time or find the time to read it all Packer fan.

Your puter has the same capabilities as mine does. All that will be left is some open mindedness on your part. That's a certain challenge in terms of this Brett Favre thing and some Packer fans and I accept that as we're all somehow different.

Brett Favre and getting over it:

Favre has busted his ass trying to inform us of all of it and the fact that he is...over it. Too many Packer fans 'simply' choose to ignore or discount his TRUTH, as it doesn't fit their agendas and judgements. They have to be right and couldn't possibly be wrong.

Given all that Brett Favre has tried to do to set this right in terms of his position and the TRUTH. What has the other side said:

NOTHING.

You know why? They carry the shame of 'a wrongful pride' not Brett Favre.

This has little to nothing to do with any decision to move past Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers.

It has everything to do with how the Green Bay Packers Organization tried to force Brett Favre's hand... in terms of his will and rights to want to continue playing somewhere as an NFL QB. It has everything to do with how the Green Bay Packers attempted to coerce and control Brett Favre's life after active Green Bay Packer service. Trying too hard to keep Brett Favre retired. Trying over the top too hard to ensure that Brett Favre got the message it was time for him to retire.

What they did was 'simply out and out', just wrong. If anything like that was done to any of 'YOU'. I would hope that 'YOU' had the common-sense, the strength and courage to stand against it as Brett Favre and the NFL HO supporting his position.... did.

Do you know what's pissing off posters here now?

The TRUTH.

The TRUTH that I post. Too many here cannot ACCEPT THIS truth.

What we must try hard to do here. Is to simply agree to disagree without the public floggings that sometimes goes on at Packerrats. It's that sort of thing at that has driven so many decent members away. Not 'only' posters that have suffered the ridicule of 'a group of posters here'; but those posters that refuse to be any part of such 'mentality'. Those posters that don't have the will nor means to fight or stand up against the posters here that feel they have some special privalege.

This morning I learned that to be a 'real Packer fan'. I have to have a strong distaste for Brett Favre.

If that's the case then ...I'm NOT that sort of real Packer fan.

I'm simply a Green Bay Packer fan and have been for what?....55 years. NOT good enough for some here!

Whatever. :lol: I'm simply proud to write this:

GO PACKERS GO !

[woodbuck27]

I've often wondered how much they regret having announced it so soon after he retired the first time. I think it was probably done to "seal" the retirement, thinking the announcement of a date certain would nail the door shut on a possible reconsideration on his part. Of course, it didn't do that, and now it is an awkward commitment that will continually be asked about until it finally occurs.

An astute observation Patler.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Maybe PaCkFan_n_MD is right, we shouldn't retire his number................or anyone else's in the future. I thought I heard/read somewhere that the league frowns on that now. Enshrining him in the Packer HOF should suffice and we wouldn't find the need to rehash this again for the umpteenth time.

Sorry but 'again', we're talking Brett Favre here:

Brett Favre's NO. 4 will 'in fact' be retired as his service, dedication and outstanding play as a 'GREAT' Green Bay Packer 'only' deserves 'special 'recognition.

SPECIAL recognition set apart from most other Packers; by 'the fact of his number being retired'.

[woodbuck27]

Some really nice posts on these last couple pages. Nice job md, Patler, everyone.

Woodbuck, not to be rude, I consider you a friend in life, but not a fellow Packer fan. The things Favre did when he left and his retirement games felt like a slap in the face to me, as a Packer fan. Anyone who was a Packer fan during that era and didn't feel that slap in the face, does not experience the Packers the way I do. And sometimes I get the feeling you want the Packers to fail, like you can't wait for an opportunity to jump down our throats, like every moment is an opportunity for revenge. Sometimes when things go wrong, I don't even want to open this site so I don't have to see what you and a few others are writing because it's going to be so fucking negative and disheartening. It's like there are Packer fans and then there is you (and a few others), who wants us to pay for this Favre thing.

md said it very well above, Favre not accepting the honors the Packers are offering him is yet another slap in the face as a Packer fan.

Responding to Patler, about the Packers possibly regretting offering Favre the things they did. . . . That may very well be. But it's like anything else. The people you tie yourself to have a very strong ability to hurt you. Favre was so closely tied to the Packers and was so influential with the fans, he had a very strong ability to hurt the Packers, and he used that ability in all of it's horror (or glory for you, woodbuck, since you consider that guy glorious.) And who is closer to Favre than the Packers were? His wife and childeren. Look at the humiliation he placed at their feet. The closer you get to that man, the more severe the burn will be, and none had it worse than his family.

packer_md strikes me as a very strong, regular, respectful, honorable person. I use his/her position as a very good example of how most of humanity is affected by Favre's ations. If Favre doesn't wake up soon with some humility, if he keeps dragging this on. He's going to further taint his reputation by having the appearance of not being able to let go, not being able to move on, not being a person most people respect. I hope he doesn't. He's lost the respect of a lot of people with the pictures he was sending of his penis, the creepy messages, the cheating on his wife, the tantrums he threw during the retirement-unretirement process, and so much more. For every slap Favre puts on the face of the Packers, there are millions of people watching, shaking their heads, and I think it's helping build the legacy of the Packers as a great, honorable organization. Everyone feels the urge to slap back, but not doing so, sometimes, taking the pain with dignity and courage, can sometimes build more respect than a slap back ever could. I know what legacy I'd rather be associated with, Woodbuck. The way you support Favre, honestly, makes me lose respect for you. What he did I cannot respect. The fact that you admire/honor that man disgusts me.

I just read this again and this whole post by you JH against what you wrote right here:

" md said it very well above, Favre not accepting the honors the Packers are offering him is yet another slap in the face as a Packer fan. " JH

JH which is it going to be man?

Do you imagine that Brett Favre would put his wife (and family/friends) through the possible pain of having to deal with the hatred that you JH and fans like you. Might display as the Green Bay Packers 'now' feel the need to get his number retired and him inducted into the Green Bay Packers HOF?

Get that done rather that having it left undone and Brett Favre becoming a first ballot NFL HOFer. All the embarrassment on the Green Bay Packers and that inevitability.

It's certainly time 'NOW' for 'Damage Control' on the part of the Green Bay Packers. When you get right down to the brass tacks of it all:

Right is simply right.

What you and so many cannot see is that none of this in on Brett Favre.

This entire mess and Brett Favre and Green Bay Packer is on the Green Bay Packers and just how badly they handled Brett Favre before they traded him just prior to the 2008 season to the New York Jets. When the NFL HO has to intervene. You damn well know something is 'stinking in the State of Denmark'.

Your Packer fanism is so extreme and like some other's here. That extremism as a die hard Packer fan, leaves your vision clouded; clouded because of your always extreme negative view and opinion of Brett Favre.

No one hates Favre better than you JH. I've observed you post that hatred over...and over...and over... time and time again. I've mostly ignored that and your stance 'there'; because you do offer other things here that I enjoy. You also can hate away as long as you can deal with owning it JH. I just wouldn't want to be like you and that hate.

Whatever fills your boots...rocks your boat man. I'm simply happy to say:

I'm glad or fortunate that I've chosen to take a higher road.

JH let me try to clarify this matter;

Clearly none of this desire on the part of the Green Bay Packers to get this ceremony for Brett Favre done... soon. Has any consideration 'on the surface' for Brett Favre. As a Packer fan you have to look at this deeper.

As I see it. This is much to do with 'damage control'. Damage control that I believe the Green Bay Packers are willing to address before it gets too worse. As Packer fan to Packer fan. My advice to you JH. Simply try to see it clearly as I do.

As I the simple Packer fan that I am (and all Brett Favre business aside) DO SEE IT !

Brett Favre has expressed 'again', over and over, his heartfelt love for the fans of Green Bay. His love for these fans remains, inspire of your hatred (disguised as disappointment...whatever). His love remains inspire of the hatred that more Packer fans, and certainly more here at Packerrats, than 'just you' JH; have demonstrated since Ted Thompson became the Packer GM.

I go back 8 years with posters here. The hatred I've read from posters here (and Brett Favre). Is simply put... 'shocking, too very alarming'. I've been disgusted with the hatred from some posters here. So often I sucked that up. Many former posters at Packerrats couldn't deal with that hatred, and simply disappeared.

Hatred does 'zero good'.

I've tolerated it being a witness to it all, by choice. The pain of that has been at times, almost anger provoking 'for me'. Somehow I've managed a certain strength and level of tolerance for posters here that clearly didn't deserve that. Somehow and to a remarkable extent for me. Knowing my potential to caste wrath or really get pissed off. I've at least decently managed to not allow such hatred and the accompanying rubbish to get under my skin.

I've been strong at Packerrats because I am

You choose to 'simply' go on hating JH.

I'll stay with who I am and that's got nothing to do with hating JH.

If you feel that hating Brett Favre makes you a better Green Bay Packer fan that me not hating him.

Well ... I'm here 'simply' shaking my head.

GO PACK GO !

[Patler]

Maybe PaCkFan_n_MD is right, we shouldn't retire his number................or anyone else's in the future. I thought I heard/read somewhere that the league frowns on that now. Enshrining him in the Packer HOF should suffice and we wouldn't find the need to rehash this again for the umpteenth time.


Sorry but 'again', we're talking Brett Favre here:

Brett Favre's NO. 4 will 'in fact' be retired as his service, dedication and outstanding play as a 'GREAT' Green Bay Packer 'only' deserves 'special 'recognition.

SPECIAL recognition set apart from most other Packers; by 'the fact of his number being retired'.

I've never been a big fan of the whole number retirement thing. To me, if done at all, it should be an extremely rare occurrence, reserved for individuals who show a commitment and dedication to the team that goes far beyond their athletic performance. It should be awarded to those who truly became Packers for life, and aided the organization beyond their performances on the field. I recognize that in today's "it's all about business" environment for pro sports it will be hard to develop that relationship, but so be it, in my opinion.

I went on record here as disagreeing with the retirement of #92.

Considering his venomous attack on the organization, his attempts to undermine the organization, his continued cold shoulder toward the organization and the exposure of the person he was while a player, I am no more interested in the retirement of #4 than I was #92.

[Pugger]

Sorry but 'again', we're talking Brett Favre here:

Brett Favre's NO. 4 will 'in fact' be retired as his service, dedication and outstanding play as a 'GREAT' Green Bay Packer 'only' deserves 'special 'recognition.

SPECIAL recognition set apart from most other Packers; by 'the fact of his number being retired'.

If the league frowns on retiring numbers and every time we discuss Favre a civil war breaks out I think it would be wise to shelve this entire number retirement issue and move on. I suspect nobody will ever wear #4 again if we don't officially retire it anyway.

[pbmax]

I've often wondered how much they regret having announced it so soon after he retired the first time. I think it was probably done to "seal" the retirement, thinking the announcement of a date certain would nail the door shut on a possible reconsideration on his part. Of course, it didn't do that, and now it is an awkward commitment that will continually be asked about until it finally occurs.

I will never understand their attempts to put the genie back in the bottle, though I am not certain if the jersey retirement was pre or post unretirement news. Even Thompson understood what might happen and kept a large (even for him) amount of cap space open in what had to be a backup plan for his unretirement.

It was very clear that after the March/May aborted comeback that they did not have a clear fall back plan. I wonder to what degree Thompson and McCarthy were served poorly by the Packer PR team and admin.

Just another remember that you should careful what you wish for because I used to wonder HOW the relationship between Marino and the Dolphins got so bad so quickly.

[pbmax]

I've often wondered how much they regret having announced it so soon after he retired the first time. I think it was probably done to "seal" the retirement, thinking the announcement of a date certain would nail the door shut on a possible reconsideration on his part. Of course, it didn't do that, and now it is an awkward commitment that will continually be asked about until it finally occurs.

I wonder if his willingness to blandly be welcoming to the prospect of the jersey retirement helps or hurts the process.

One the one hand it is clear he is leaving the door open. On the other hand it looks like he is talking to someone who has already hung up the phone AND it just gives everyone a chance to rehash the distance between the two parties.

Plus, when its time to actually start to discuss the event, he has one less reason to talk to Favre directly.

[Patler]

I will never understand their attempts to put the genie back in the bottle, though I am not certain if the jersey retirement was pre or post unretirement news. Even Thompson understood what might happen and kept a large (even for him) amount of cap space open in what had to be a backup plan for his unretirement.

It was very clear that after the March/May aborted comeback that they did not have a clear fall back plan. I wonder to what degree Thompson and McCarthy were served poorly by the Packer PR team and admin.

Just another remember that you should careful what you wish for because I used to wonder HOW the relationship between Marino and the Dolphins got so bad so quickly.

If I remember correctly, Bob Harlan actually mentioned an intention to retire #4 at about the the time White's ceremony was held. He said the hope was that it would be used for many years yet, but retired when Favre was done with it. He talked about the offense/defense representation from championship eras.

Then, it was brought up again as soon as Favre announced his retirement, and the date for it was announced very soon thereafter, maybe even at the press conference.

[Patler]

I wonder if his willingness to blandly be welcoming to the prospect of the jersey retirement helps or hurts the process.

One the one hand it is clear he is leaving the door open. On the other hand it looks like he is talking to someone who has already hung up the phone AND it just gives everyone a chance to rehash the distance between the two parties.

Plus, when its time to actually start to discuss the event, he has one less reason to talk to Favre directly.

Favre never sounds enthused about it. Kind of like, "Yes, eventually I will have that colonoscopy that I know I should have."

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

Woodbuck, not to be rude, I consider you a friend in life, but not a fellow Packer fan.



The way you support Favre, honestly, makes me lose respect for you. What he did I cannot respect. The fact that you admire/honor that man disgusts me.


:bclap:

:worship:

:clap:

[gbgary]

it will be a disaster, a boo-fest. everyone will leave shaking their heads. let the nfl put him in the hof and forget about it.

[Scott Campbell]

J

You've called me out... thus I'm placed in a position where my integrity demands a response to you JH.

I try my damnest not to judge any person. I constantly struggle with that conviction. I try to like all people including members here. Just as members here judge and dislike me. I try to ignore that in terms of 'again'... who I feel I must be. See JH....I have to live with me.

Your not 'only' out to lunch man. Your obsessed with your needs to hate Brett Favre. To characterize your feeling as anything less that that negative emotion, is to delude yourself. Your hatred is so very slanted that you extend that hatred to me. A five decade plus Green Bay Packer fan. For that you as the man you are 'only' deserve one clear and succinct rebuttal and not all I've written to this point in this post:

JH....FUCK OFF 'with the creepy nonsense'. Please.

GO PACK GO!


:shock:

:lol:

:taunt:

:jig:

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I've often wondered how much they regret having announced it so soon after he retired the first time. I think it was probably done to "seal" the retirement, thinking the announcement of a date certain would nail the door shut on a possible reconsideration on his part. Of course, it didn't do that, and now it is an awkward commitment that will continually be asked about until it finally occurs.

Yeah I have thought about that as well. The packers went through his will he/won’t he retire saga for so many years before and needed to know what direction they were going in the upcoming season with Rodgers on deck. Setting a date to retire his number so soon was probably the organizations way of trying to cement his decision.

Also, unfortunately the packers were kind of at his mercy and he knew that. He knew he could leverage his status and love fans had of him and I’m sure the packers knew this as well and were worried about the fall out that ensued. So the number retirement and future position with the team offer was probably a way of hoping to avoid a potential mess.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I wonder if his willingness to blandly be welcoming to the prospect of the jersey retirement helps or hurts the process.

One the one hand it is clear he is leaving the door open. On the other hand it looks like he is talking to someone who has already hung up the phone AND it just gives everyone a chance to rehash the distance between the two parties.

Plus, when its time to actually start to discuss the event, he has one less reason to talk to Favre directly.

I think the team is worried about sending out an offer and having him reject it. Mark Murphy coming out saying that it needs to happen soon is like dipping your toes in the water before you jump in. They want to hear him say something to show he is still not bitter over what happened. Sadly, he still seems like he is acting like a child and if he is not careful he might alienate more fans (well maybe not WB lol).

[pbmax]

Nah. It will be easier than everyone imagines to let bygones be bygones. In one of his statements, woodbuck made an oblique mention to the number of Hall of Famers who ended their career elsewhere, which is entirely true. Favre is not in an entirely unique position.

Favre has some explaining to do about a few negative comments (the Millen deal is the toughest nut to crack) but many of the others can be brushed aside easily. An athlete wanting desperately to prove himself against his old team (move to Vikings) is not hard to understand. Jordan hated his GM in Chicago, went on to play and own in the NBA elsewhere, and still has a relationship with the Bulls. Disliking Thompson, or being mad at him is not a disqualification.

No one is Green Bay is going to get more up in arms over texting Sterger. Their hands are all dirty since they have for years refused to put rumor to ink (or bits) about the 5,000 other ladies he was seen with in WI bars during his 16 years.

Tampering could be dicey but legal tampering happens all the time and he can just spend that time making fun of Childress and recalling his friendship with Bevell.

Multiple dalliances with retirement has been done to death and is not going to generate headlines or boos unless he says something noteworthy.

Wishing the Bears to beat the Packers and knock them out of the playoffs can be explained as still being mad OR just kind words to Urlacher.

Most Packer fans I know (outside of here) make fun of him but in the same breath say they could never really hold anything against him as he was greatly responsible for the Packers' resurgence.

The biggest hurdle to Favre's re-acceptance among fans might be Favre. Put aside proud and insistent and even enmity toward Thompson/McCarthy, Favre now knows he was treated very kindly in Green Bay by locals and the press (outside of his last summer). He also knows that halo has been knocked off for many. And he may be hesitant to jump back into public life here not knowing what his footing will be like. Not only might fans seem unpredictable for him, he also knows he spent the last decade ignoring the local beat guys.

He does have some fences to mend. But its not anything insurmountable.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

In fairness to Favre, it may be he is reluctant to return to Green Bay because he is afraid of what the fan reaction would be. He might think more time is needed to let time heal wounds. We just don't know, but it is one possibility.

Maybe, but I seriously doubt it. If he were worried about the fans you would hear him says things like "I miss the fans in GB" not "yes Greg you should go play for the Vikings."

[woodbuck27]

I've never been a big fan of the whole number retirement thing. To me, if done at all, it should be an extremely rare occurrence, reserved for individuals who show a commitment and dedication to the team that goes far beyond their athletic performance. It should be awarded to those who truly became Packers for life, and aided the organization beyond their performances on the field. I recognize that in today's "it's all about business" environment for pro sports it will be hard to develop that relationship, but so be it, in my opinion.

I went on record here as disagreeing with the retirement of #92.

Considering his venomous attack on the organization, his attempts to undermine the organization, his continued cold shoulder toward the organization and the exposure of the person he was while a player, I am no more interested in the retirement of #4 than I was #92.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22306963/mike-ditkas-retired-jersey-will-be-the-last-for-the-bears

Mike Ditka's retired jersey will be the last for the Bears

By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer ... May 26, 2013 11:49 am ET

" When the Bears last week announced they will retire the No. 89 jersey of Mike Ditka, it was a long time coming for the iconic coach and former tight end who dominated his position when he was in Chicago from 1961-66.

And for those great Bears players whose numbers haven't yet been retired, the wait for them to be honored in this fashion will be even longer. That's because the team has said it will not retire any other numbers.


Ditka is the 14th former Bears player to have his number retired. And unless the team is going to begin issuing triple-digit numbers, Chicago -- which has retired more than any other team in the league -- risks running out of numbers if it keeps plastering old-time jerseys on the wall and taking them out of stock.

But Ditka certainly is worthy to be honored in this way, and now he joins players like Walter Payton, Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers to have his number taken out of circulation.

"When you think of all the great Bears players who have had their jerseys retired, I can't say that there's any greater honor," Ditka said. ..." Fr. LINK

[woodbuck27]

If the league frowns on retiring numbers and every time we discuss Favre a civil war breaks out I think it would be wise to shelve this entire number retirement issue and move on. I suspect nobody will ever wear #4 again if we don't officially retire it anyway.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9304432/aaron-rodgers-wants-green-bay-packers-retire-no-4-brett-favre

** "Aaron Rodgers said Wednesday that it's time for the "healing process to begin" between the Green Bay Packers and Brett Favre, adding that he hopes the quarterback's No. 4 can be retired by the team before he is inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame." Fr. LINK

"I was totally OK with being out front of that, and I'm very secure of the things I've been able to accomplish with the team and individually here in Green Bay, and excited about the chance to see him again and get his number retired here before he goes into Canton," Aaron Rodgers

Packers president and CEO Mark Murphy said earlier this month during the team's Tailgate Tour that he wanted Favre "back involved in the organization soon" and expressed his desire to retire Favre's number at "*** the right time for him and us." ..." FR. LINK

*** the right time for him (Brett Favre) and us (the Green Bay Packers).

If I'm having a party I may invite you to my party. I shouldn't necessarily EXPECT you to show up.

The party we're disgissing here is huge. The Green Bay Packers realize the importance of retiring Brett Favre's number; as well as inductioning this Green Bay Packer LEGEND into the Green Bay Packers HOF.

Posters here can speculate any negative and that will NOT wash with me. It's all 'moot' noise to me.

Better to simply get used to this fact Packerrats (like Favre on your own time or not) and whatever it's not changing the water on the beans:

When Brett Favre decides that such a ceremony at Lambeau field is appropriate and in consideration of all matters:

a) Brett Favre's number will be retired.

b) Brett Favre will be inducted into the Packer Hall of Fame.

I make this prediction when that huge day for the Green Bay Packers arrives:

Brett Favre will also as a part of his acceptance of this honor. Receive a resounding applause of approval for his outstanding contributions as a Green Bay Packer player of extreme positive distinction. I'll be such a proud Packer fan on Brett Favre's 'SPECIAL DAY again at Lambeau Field'. Just another of so many SPECIAL Day's that Green Bay Packer experienced at Lambeau Field.

That day will be a :wow: moment, in my five decades plus as a proud GREEN BAY PACKER fan.

I sure look forward to that.

GO PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

I don't know if it will happen. Favre pulled himself away from the team and into his own rare-air slowly but surely over many years. He's painting himself in a corner I don't know that he'll ever have the courage to get out of. He's going to take some boos, some anger, some things he never had in 15 years in GB. But if he takes them with grace, they will go away and he'd be a better person for the experience. He'd be right back in with the fans and people would love him for who he is, for what he's been through, even though he can't play a lick of football anymore.

Nothing he's done is so awful, people can't connect to him. Everyone has said/done things out of hurt/anger they regret. If he stood up and talked about how hard it was to no longer be needed like he once was, to let go of the things that he had in Green Bay, he'd be accepted almost immediately. He doesn't see it that way though. He sees it like he was attacked, spit on, abandoned by the team he gave everything too. NFL teams have immense pressure to win. The Packers stayed with Favre because it benefited them. That's the cold, hard truth. If he wasn't a great player, he would have been gone a long time before he was. It had nothing to do with Favre the person, only Favre the player.

I imagine leaving football is a hard thing to do. So much of what these players have in their lives (especially the star players) is had only because they perform. Imagine the pressure. Imagine how it must feel when it all ends, when the money, fame, glory disappears and the NFL goes on without you, like you were never there. Imagine all you have are records, that are bound to fall some day. Imagine what it must be like to watch the team you believed needed you goes on and wins a SB while you're still barely hanging on in the league. Imagine enough people can't stand you that it fills a stadium with relentless boos when you step on the field. Imagine this was the same stadium that loved you, seemingly unconditionally, through drug addiction and affairs. They loved you no matter how big the interception or how uncommitted the offseason. Imagine what it must be like to realize you were only there because you were good at football and that it's gone now. Imagine what it must be like to be unable to do anything else well enough to ever have that kind of attention again. I suppose it's not as hard for us, we'll never have any of it. But if you had it, I'll bet losing it would be very hard.

Favre has a lot of things to come to grips with and you hope it happens. Who the hell knows though, he hasn't shown a sign (so far) that he can accept his place in the world. He hasn't shown the ability to move on from football and grow as a person. I wish him the best, but the rest of his life is looking like a big train-wreck of bitterness and isolation. I hope not, but fuck, as fun as it was to watch him play football, it's equally tragic to watch him move on from football.

I know he used to travel with his own personal priest. Hopefully he's still working with people like that to heal and grow. Back then, I think it was because the pressure he put on himself was so great, he needed it just to get by. Now, I think he's going to need help to adjust to life, and to get out of life everything he deserves. He deserves to let go of whatever he's hanging onto. He deserves to be with the teammates he won the SB with and played with for so many years. He deserves everything life has to offer still. I hope he sees what he's missing because he has a great life in front of him.

[woodbuck27]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/56706/green-bay-packers-brett-favre-have-reconciled-indirectly

Packers, Favre have reconciled indirectly

May, 23, 2013 ... 2:20 PM ET By Kevin Seifert | ESPN.com

Comment woodbuck27:

For any Packerrats that may be still confused:

Pretend that that confusion is a mild to severe headache. Normally the cure is simple. You take a Tylenol or two for any such headache.

Here's an article that 'let's just pretend' is the equivalent of 2 + 1 Tylenol. Read this article and search somewhere inside of yourself for 'a real positive'. That positive being like the dissipation of your headache after reading the Good News (Your Tylenol)....the Green Bay Packers and Brett Favre Final Re-Union ... a STAY TUNED proposition.

" This is the story driven by corrupted memories. In the event that you are among those who have forgotten, Favre said in September that he was over any grudge he might have held against the franchise.

In February, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers invited Favre to a joint appearance that made clear they have moved past the tension in their relationship.

Two months ago, Packers president Mark Murphy said that Rodgers had taken "a good first step" on behalf of the franchise and pledged that the reunion "is going to happen."

The ball is and will remain in the Packers' court. At some point, presumably before Favre is eligible for enshrinement into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2016, Murphy and the rest of the Packers' leadership will reach out and schedule an event. Really, the fact everyone appears to be on board -- Favre's grudge is gone, Rodgers and Favre cleared the air and Murphy promised an appropriate event -- suggests an indirect reconciliation in itself." Fr. LINK ... Please CLICK on the LINK for the entire story.

GO PACK GO !

[RashanGary]

When Brett Favre decides that such a ceremony at Lambeau field is appropriate and in consideration of all matters:

a) Brett Favre's number will be retired.

b) Brett Favre will be inducted into the Packer Hall of Fame.

I make this prediction when that huge day for the Green Bay Packers arrives:

Brett Favre will also as a part of his acceptance of this honor. Receive a resounding applause of approval for his outstanding contributions as a Green Bay Packer player of extreme positive distinction. I'll be such a proud Packer fan on Brett Favre's 'SPECIAL DAY again at Lambeau Field' day. Just another of so many SPECIAL Day's that Green Bay Packer experienced at Lambeay Field.


I know it probably doesn't seem that way, but woody, I'll bet you anything if the day comes, we'll be happy for him WITH you. There are very smart PR people who know the challenges of the whole situation, and they will handle it well. Favre will handle it well. Time, even though it doesn't seem like it to me now, will probably heal the wounds.

Him connecting back with Green Bay would be huge for everyone. I don't think it would bother me so much if it wasn't a big deal to me.

I'm as passionate of a fan of the Packers as there is, I think. My dad was a really hurtful guy. Lifetime movies have been made with softer hearted villains than my dad. One of the things my dad did with me was watch/play football. He left when I was 8 years old. Anyway, I've put more into football than is healthy, I'm sure. I get emotional about football, and the Packers. I'm definitely on the high-side of how much these things affect fans, because in ways, where a dad should have been, was football for me. And for me, it was the Packers (Sharpe, Majkowski, Bennett, Ed West, Paup, etc. . .) I think I'll stay loyal to the Packers even when they're wrong more than most, just as some were loyal to Brett even when he was wrong more than most. That's because it affects me more.

So yeah, I might over-react from time to time. I know it. But at the end of the day, I do think my passion is shared with a lot of people and founded too. I'd like to see a day when Green Bay is back to how it used to be. This feud still creates tension in Green Bay. I'll be happy when that day ends and I truly hope the best for Favre even if I get really, really pissed off at him from time to time.

[pbmax]

" This is the story driven by corrupted memories. In the event that you are among those who have forgotten, Favre said in September that he was over any grudge he might have held against the franchise.

In February, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers invited Favre to a joint appearance that made clear they have moved past the tension in their relationship.

Two months ago, Packers president Mark Murphy said that Rodgers had taken "a good first step" on behalf of the franchise and pledged that the reunion "is going to happen."



Rodgers did not invite Favre according to his version of events. The NFL invited him to the banquet and asked Rodgers if he would present an award with him. They presumably asked Favre the same thing.

Murphy, minus the acknowledgement of Rodgers/Favre joint appearance, has been making the same gesture to Favre for 3 years running, if not longer. In fact, he makes is annually during the tailgate tour.

And Favre is not a reliable narrator in this instance. He formerly said he didn't harbor a grudge and it was just business between he and the Packer. Admitting a grudge existed might be evidence of his being more truthful publicly, but its certainly not determinative.

[woodbuck27]

I don't know if it will happen. Favre pulled himself away from the team and into his own rare-air slowly but surely over many years. He's painting himself in a corner I don't know that he'll ever have the courage to get out of. He's going to take some boos, some anger, some things he never had in 15 years in GB. But if he takes them with grace, they will go away and he'd be a better person for the experience. He'd be right back in with the fans and people would love him for who he is, for what he's been through, even though he can't play a lick of football anymore.

Nothing he's done is so awful, people can't connect to him. Everyone has said/done things out of hurt/anger they regret. If he stood up and talked about how hard it was to no longer be needed like he once was, to let go of the things that he had in Green Bay, he'd be accepted almost immediately. He doesn't see it that way though. He sees it like he was attacked, spit on, abandoned by the team he gave everything too. NFL teams have immense pressure to win. The Packers stayed with Favre because it benefited them. That's the cold, hard truth. If he wasn't a great player, he would have been gone a long time before he was. It had nothing to do with Favre the person, only Favre the player.

I imagine leaving football is a hard thing to do. So much of what these players have in their lives (especially the star players) is had only because they perform. Imagine the pressure. Imagine how it must feel when it all ends, when the money, fame, glory disappears and the NFL goes on without you, like you were never there. Imagine all you have are records, that are bound to fall some day. Imagine what it must be like to watch the team you believed needed you goes on and wins a SB while you're still barely hanging on in the league. Imagine enough people can't stand you that it fills a stadium with relentless boos when you step on the field. Imagine this was the same stadium that loved you, seemingly unconditionally, through drug addiction and affairs. They loved you no matter how big the interception or how uncommitted the offseason. Imagine what it must be like to realize you were only there because you were good at football and that it's gone now. Imagine what it must be like to be unable to do anything else well enough to ever have that kind of attention again. I suppose it's not as hard for us, we'll never have any of it. But if you had it, I'll bet losing it would be very hard.

Favre has a lot of things to come to grips with and you hope it happens. Who the hell knows though, he hasn't shown a sign (so far) that he can accept his place in the world. He hasn't shown the ability to move on from football and grow as a person. I wish him the best, but the rest of his life is looking like a big train-wreck of bitterness and isolation. I hope not, but fuck, as fun as it was to watch him play football, it's equally tragic to watch him move on from football.

I know he used to travel with his own personal priest. Hopefully he's still working with people like that to heal and grow. Back then, I think it was because the pressure he put on himself was so great, he needed it just to get by. Now, I think he's going to need help to adjust to life, and to get out of life everything he deserves. He deserves to let go of whatever he's hanging onto. He deserves to be with the teammates he won the SB with and played with for so many years. He deserves everything life has to offer still. I hope he sees what he's missing because he has a great life in front of him.

This is a post with a good deal of empathy for Favre or anyone that retires from a Professional sport.

Brett Favre has said that ... 'retirement is difficult'... in terms of missing his teammates and the fans. He misses Lambeau Field. He miss's the people of Wisconsin. Did you read his comments during the Frank Winters Packers HOF induction? I could supply you with a LINK.

I feel that it's better if you search for that yourself JH. In that process you might be enlightened by a lot that Brett Favre has said after he was traded by the Green Bay Packers. In my view it's almost overkill the degree he's gone to explain so much that he felt needed such. Most people would respond with 'a just screw it' attitude. Brett Favre always cared a lot too maybe too much.

JH.... You may be aware of this, yet in any case:

ESPN has a raft of articles that tell a rather complete story from the (Brett Favre's) perspective. If you go forward in life on and on imagining that Favre is the bad man in this divorce. Your simply wrong JH.

There are always two sides to a story and in Favre's case and Packers. It's not 'ALL WHITE Green Bay Packers' and all black - brett favre. I'm sorry for the bad or disturbing revelation there JH. See I might claim that (again) we see the little man get screwed but this is BRETT FAVRE.

Did Favre get screwed?

Not in the end as he was able to go on playing as he desired. He had to fight damn hard for that right and he might have handled some of that better, in final analysis; but who am I to declare any of that !? If we really tried to get down to the brass tacks of this mess...that...would be impossible. All that remains is what to believe or not and otherwise merely pure speculation.

I'm positive there was a lot of emotion involved on both sides. Ted Thompson declared as much....that Brett Favre's wanting to play in 2008 was truly 'gut wrenching stuff'. Emotion clouds anything even in terms of the most accurate portrayal of a matter or issue.

Sure it was gut wrenching. It's isn't often that an NFL team trades it's past season's MVP and offensive leader. The runner-up NFL MVP and past 3 time NFL MVP. Traded a NO. 1 QB that owns every conceivable team and most NFL passing records. trades that man to one of the worst teams in the other conference ..... for a draft pick.

Maybe Brett Favre deserved to feel hurt. I cannot even marginally come close to the reasons for any such hurt. I'm not Brett Favre.

Ted Thompson says that it was: Gut wrenching !?

I'd use a different term....BRUTAL.

'JUST' .... BRUTAL STUFF to witness for this Packer fan. I 'only' desired for Brett Favre to be set free.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

I know it probably doesn't seem that way, but woody, I'll bet you anything if the day comes, we'll be happy for him WITH you. There are very smart PR people who know the challenges of the whole situation, and they will handle it well. Favre will handle it well. Time, even though it doesn't seem like it to me now, will probably heal the wounds.

Him connecting back with Green Bay would be huge for everyone. I don't think it would bother me so much if it wasn't a big deal to me.

I'm as passionate of a fan of the Packers as there is, I think. My dad was a really hurtful guy. Lifetime movies have been made with softer hearted villains than my dad. One of the things my dad did with me was watch/play football. He left when I was 8 years old. Anyway, I've put more into football than is healthy, I'm sure. I get emotional about football, and the Packers. I'm definitely on the high-side of how much these things affect fans, because in ways, where a dad should have been, was football for me. And for me, it was the Packers (Sharpe, Majkowski, Bennett, Ed West, Paup, etc. . .) I think I'll stay loyal to the Packers even when they're wrong more than most, just as some were loyal to Brett even when he was wrong more than most. That's because it affects me more.

So yeah, I might over-react from time to time. I know it. But at the end of the day, I do think my passion is shared with a lot of people and founded too. I'd like to see a day when Green Bay is back to how it used to be. This feud still creates tension in Green Bay. I'll be happy when that day ends and I truly hope the best for Favre even if I get really, really pissed off at him from time to time.

I'm 100% on your side there Packer fan.

Trust this:

I always knew the right side ....the right fight.

Frankly JH...I always do .... always have. If you knew my life you would know that's 'NO' BS.

I'm not a convicted man as much as a MAN with certain principles and values that will never let me down.

Being a Green Bay Packer fan 'dedicated to that' totally is a simple proof of the above.

I'm not a member of Packerrats to make Packer fans miserable. I make a certain positive contribution here. That will never be to buy into anything that certainly rubs me the wrong way. I'm also a Canadian that understands the value in fighting for a true PEACE. I'm a Canadian that believes in a 'REAL PROCESS' of what being TRULY FREE' means. I had a FATHER that fought 6 1/2 years to ensure your and my Free Rights. That fought for Brett Favre to have his. I had a FATHER that still lives in me as my BEST friend and my BEST Hero. That man raised me to be a decent man and stand for solid values and principles. He taught me to never give anything away of myself that has value. To always struggle for the better good.

Every day I struggle to be 'just that' JH. The man my Father desired me to be.

A simple MAN.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Rodgers did not invite Favre according to his version of events. The NFL invited him to the banquet and asked Rodgers if he would present an award with him. They presumably asked Favre the same thing.

Murphy, minus the acknowledgement of Rodgers/Favre joint appearance, has been making the same gesture to Favre for 3 years running, if not longer. In fact, he makes is annually during the tailgate tour.

And Favre is not a reliable narrator in this instance. He formerly said he didn't harbor a grudge and it was just business between he and the Packer. Admitting a grudge existed might be evidence of his being more truthful publicly, but its certainly not determinative.

I'm glad I'm not confused. :!:

PACKERS !

[Carolina_Packer]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that Favre manipulated his way off the Packers with his fake (but seemingly real...tears included) retirement in 2008. Heck, by reports, the Packers even gave him some space, but kept checking back with him to see if he might reconsider because they knew he could still play, given what he did in 2007.

I think Brett wanted out of Green Bay because he saw the writing on the wall with Rodgers having sat on the bench for 3 years and Green Bay having spent a first round pick on him. So, the fake retirement happens, Packer brass keep checking with him into the summer of '08 to see if he changes his mind, and he maintains he's retired. At some point, the Packer brass decides to move on with Rodgers. Favre's got them right where he wants them. Now he can try and come back and test their loyalty, knowing that they likely want to see what they have in Rodgers instead handing the reigns back to Favre. Wouldn't that have been a Shermanesque move if TT/MM said, sure Brett, here's your job back? If Green Bay had done that, Rodgers likely is not a Packer today, so the move would have been short-sighted and sentimental, and not a sound one, even though Favre gave a lot to the Packers (and the Packers gave a lot to Favre). Brett walks back in likely knowing the Packers were in a tough spot and he was going to get moved. Brett gets his wish, so he can keep playing elsewhere. He looks like the victim who just wanted to keep playing football, and the Packers are the bad guy for getting rid of an icon. He has his freedom, and just has to spend a year with the Jets to pay his dues, and then he's truly a free man. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

[ThunderDan]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that Favre manipulated his way off the Packers with his fake (but seemingly real...tears included) retirement in 2008. Heck, by reports, the Packers even gave him some space, but kept checking back with him to see if he might reconsider because they knew he could still play, given what he did in 2007.

I think Brett wanted out of Green Bay because he saw the writing on the wall with Rodgers having sat on the bench for 3 years and Green Bay having spent a first round pick on him. So, the fake retirement happens, Packer brass keep checking with him into the summer of '08 to see if he changes his mind, and he maintains he's retired. At some point, the Packer brass decides to move on with Rodgers. Favre's got them right where he wants them. Now he can try and come back and test their loyalty, knowing that they likely want to see what they have in Rodgers instead handing the reigns back to Favre. Wouldn't that have been a Shermanesque move if TT/MM said, sure Brett, here's your job back? If Green Bay had done that, Rodgers likely is not a Packer today, so the move would have been short-sighted and sentimental, and not a sound one, even though Favre gave a lot to the Packers (and the Packers gave a lot to Favre). Brett walks back in likely knowing the Packers were in a tough spot and he was going to get moved. Brett gets his wish, so he can keep playing elsewhere. He looks like the victim who just wanted to keep playing football, and the Packers are the bad guy for getting rid of an icon. He has his freedom, and just has to spend a year with the Jets to pay his dues, and then he's truly a free man. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

That would be a mind blower. But after the ny giant game he may have never wanted to play a January game in lambeau again.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.imbecile.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/amazing-champagne-popping.jpghttp://geeksdreamgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/One-year.jpg

WOW!

That countdown was very cool.

Nice job ! :cow:

[woodbuck27]

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/02/unfortunately-packers-no-longer-care-about-brett-favre/
Unfortunately, Packers No Longer Care About Brett Favre


Unfortunately, Packers No Longer Care About Brett Favre

Feb 2, 2011 – 8:00 PM

Comment woodbuck27:

That title for the LINK above ... is hardly the TRUTH. Notice the date and even then Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy's hopes to have Brett Favre back in the fold:

"Packers president Mark Murphy telling the national and international media the other day that he "envisions" Favre with a role in the organization at some point..."


" They forced Favre to retire ... or else.

This is so Packer Nation-like.

They love them, then they hate them, and then they worship them forever, but only after a passage of time.

They did as much with Curly Lambeau, and he founded the franchise while excelling all the way to the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a player and as a coach for the Packers. The thing is, Lambeau feuded with the Packers board of directors during the early 1950s, and he was ostracized from the franchise until the combination of time, his death and future Green Bay historians led Packers officials to naming the stadium after him in the mid-1960s.

Ever hear of Vince Lombardi? From the late 1950s through most of the 1960s, he WAS the Packers while grabbing five world championships, including victories in the first two Super Bowls.

After Lombardi retired as coach, he became the Packers' general manager for a year, but then he did the unthinkable. He left to take over the Washington Redskins. He was considered a traitor in Wisconsin. He eventually died at 57 in 1970 of cancer, and that's when all was forgiven throughout the Frozen Tundra.

He became a Packer legend again.

Favre will, too, but not for a while. " Fr. LINK

Comment woodbuck27:

Again this article was written Feb 2, 2011 or over 27 months ago.

It's like the old saying 'Every Fine Wine In It's Time'.

GO PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

I do respect your view-point more now than I did. I see things very differently, but I can see how you feel the way you feel too. I haven't read many of the posts in this thread because I don't really enjoy Favre's part in the Packers anymore. I sort of stay occupied with the other parts of the team I do enjoy following.

We are all Packer fans. Sometimes I question your sincerity as a Packer fan. Your "GO PACKERS" sometimes feels half-hearted or almost confrontational. There are a lot of things people do to come to reasonable disagreements. I know I'm a big Sherrod detractor. PB was always hoping for the best on that. Who knows how it will all play otu. But there have been times I've become confrontational. I usually regret it, and then sort of do something in good will so people know I didn't mean it. I usually shut up for a little while after I say something stupid. I know I can be overly emotional in disagreements and people know that about me.

What sort of rubs me wrong with you is outside of the soap-box type comments about all cheering for the same team, you don't seem to do anything to smooth things over with people. I do get you, and we don't fight, but son of a bitch, I got down right pissed off reading the Favre stuff. He had to follow the rules too, woodbuck. He's not above them.

At this point, I think I'd rather have the Packer fans back than Favre. There were a lot of cool, crazy bastards who disappeared with Favre. Deputy Nutz and GBM are two I wish were around here. There are all kinds of people I wish I could talk Packers with more comfortably in GB.

[RashanGary]

That would be a mind blower. But after the ny giant game he may have never wanted to play a January game in lambeau again.

Maybe after he saw Randy Moss in the SB, he became really pissed off that the Packers would have won that game with Randy and then the pressure to force his way out started. Minnesota was poised to win, they just needed a QB. Never know.

The timeline makes Favre's actions look either ridiculously indecisive or down right divisive. Actions say more than words, for sure.

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

I thought it might be appropriate to add this article to the Brett Favre thread as wanted everyone here to enjoy re-calling it all; and as it sat three games into Brett Favre last season as a Green Bay Packer (2007) The 2007 season season when Favre led the Packers as the MVP to a stunning 13-3 record and lost a close one in OT or he and his beloved Green Bay Packers would have been Super Bowl bound for the third time under his leadership:


Barnett: Brett Favre: a Packer fan's appreciation

By Thomas P.M. Barnett

Posted September 30, 2007 at midnight

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/sep/30/brett-favre-a-packer-fans-appreciation/

" No player in NFL history has met that challenge better than Favre, whose stunning record of 260 consecutive starts, including playoffs, at quarterback stands testament to his personal resilience and intense love for the game.

Four presidential elections have come and gone since Favre first stepped in behind center, and over 200 quarterbacks have made their first NFL start since then. The league's only three-time most valuable player, Favre's most impressive statistic in this ultimate team sport is that Green Bay owns the NFL's highest winning percentage (.625) since he took the helm 15 years ago this month.

Favre has led the Pack to 10 playoffs and two Super Bowls, suffering only one losing season. Only six NFL teams out of 31 sport winning records against Favre, and he's bested each of the Packer's division archrivals: the Bears, Lions and Vikings.

Given his Mississippi roots, Favre's record in frozen Green Bay is most surprising: 40 wins and five losses in games played below 35 degrees." Fr. LINK

Please hit the LINK for this entire Packer fans article on a true Green Bay Packer GREAT... Brett Favre.

Comment woodbuck27:

It may get better but seeing all that....was really special for this Packer fan.

GO PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

Comment woodbuck27:
It may get better but seeing all that....was really special for this Packer fan.

GO PACKERS !

It was a special era of Packer football and Favre was a constant for us for a long, long time. I think the way it ended is at the top of people's minds right now. That combined with how well the Packers are playing right now, I don't think now is the time people will look back on how great Favre was. When Aaron's career spirals or is over, and Ted (or whomever) doesn't have another great QB win the wings, we'll probably look back on it and remember it more.

Right now it's too fresh to want to remember it in past tense, I think, and we're doing too good to be forced to. There's going to be people who say, "yeah, but, look how he left." cuz that's what happened, and it's hard to appreciate someone when you're mad at them. It's called resentment. Fans resent Favre a little now. That's normal, but it should go away with time if wounds don't keep getting opened up.

[woodbuck27]

Brett Favre inactive, streak ends at 297 (321 games including playoff's)

By NOAH TRISTER

Associated Press

POSTED: 01:50 p.m. HST, Dec 13, 2010

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/111817404.html?id=111817404

DETROIT —

" Brett Favre's record consecutive starts streak ended at 297 on Monday when he did not suit up for the Minnesota Vikings' game against the New York Giants. The streak, dating back to 1992, ended because of a right shoulder injury the quarterback sustained on Minnesota's first series Dec. 5 against Buffalo after a blind sided hit by 'the Bills' Arthur Moats.

The Vikings hoped Favre, who has started despite a broken foot and elbow tendinitis this season, could do it again when the Giants game was delayed from Sunday after the Metrodome roof collapsed. That forced the game to be moved to Ford Field, but it was not enough time for Favre to get healthy enough to play.

For some, it was hard to fathom. Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald tweeted: "Even after the reports about Brett Favre being inactive I STILL won't believe that he's not playing until I see it w/ my own eyes!"

"It's beyond reason. It's ridiculous," said Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, who backed up Favre in Green Bay years ago. "He's gotten lucky a little bit too, but he's just the toughest guy in the world."

He's been listed as questionable on the injury report heading into a game several times this season. But it was clear as soon as Moats blindsided him that this injury was more serious.

Favre's injury, a sprained SC joint, is a rarity in sports, one that doctors say occurs most often when a person's body slams against the steering wheel in an auto accident.

Both Favre and interim coach Leslie Frazier were adamant he would not be given a ceremonial start — one or two snaps at the beginning of the game — to keep the streak going." Fr. LINK

Please click on LINK for the entire story.

GO PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck, what's your point? If you want people to start sucking his dick, it's probably not going to happen.

We're doing better now than all but his best two or three years in Green Bay.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers (6 post season victories, 1 SB victory)
EDIT: Favre (13 post season victories, 1 SB victory)

mis-post. Favre had 13 post season wins. Was 13-11. Was 4-7 after 1997.

[Pugger]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that Favre manipulated his way off the Packers with his fake (but seemingly real...tears included) retirement in 2008. Heck, by reports, the Packers even gave him some space, but kept checking back with him to see if he might reconsider because they knew he could still play, given what he did in 2007.

I think Brett wanted out of Green Bay because he saw the writing on the wall with Rodgers having sat on the bench for 3 years and Green Bay having spent a first round pick on him. So, the fake retirement happens, Packer brass keep checking with him into the summer of '08 to see if he changes his mind, and he maintains he's retired. At some point, the Packer brass decides to move on with Rodgers. Favre's got them right where he wants them. Now he can try and come back and test their loyalty, knowing that they likely want to see what they have in Rodgers instead handing the reigns back to Favre. Wouldn't that have been a Shermanesque move if TT/MM said, sure Brett, here's your job back? If Green Bay had done that, Rodgers likely is not a Packer today, so the move would have been short-sighted and sentimental, and not a sound one, even though Favre gave a lot to the Packers (and the Packers gave a lot to Favre). Brett walks back in likely knowing the Packers were in a tough spot and he was going to get moved. Brett gets his wish, so he can keep playing elsewhere. He looks like the victim who just wanted to keep playing football, and the Packers are the bad guy for getting rid of an icon. He has his freedom, and just has to spend a year with the Jets to pay his dues, and then he's truly a free man. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

I think you have mostly hit upon the truth here. Brett did see the writing on the wall (AR) but had to get his release from this contract with GB so he could go to MN. When TT didn't give it to him the relationship really soured between team and player. It didn't help that Favre didn't file his reinstatement papers right away either. By the time BF did it didn't take long before he was traded to NY.

[woodbuck27]

I do respect your view-point more now than I did. I see things very differently, but I can see how you feel the way you feel too. I haven't read many of the posts in this thread because I don't really enjoy Favre's part in the Packers anymore. I sort of stay occupied with the other parts of the team I do enjoy following.

We are all Packer fans. Sometimes I question your sincerity as a Packer fan. Your "GO PACKERS" sometimes feels half-hearted or almost confrontational. There are a lot of things people do to come to reasonable disagreements. I know I'm a big Sherrod detractor. PB was always hoping for the best on that. Who knows how it will all play otu. But there have been times I've become confrontational. I usually regret it, and then sort of do something in good will so people know I didn't mean it. I usually shut up for a little while after I say something stupid. I know I can be overly emotional in disagreements and people know that about me.

What sort of rubs me wrong with you is outside of the soap-box type comments about all cheering for the same team, you don't seem to do anything to smooth things over with people. I do get you, and we don't fight, but son of a bitch, I got down right pissed off reading the Favre stuff. He had to follow the rules too, woodbuck. He's not above them.

At this point, I think I'd rather have the Packer fans back than Favre. There were a lot of cool, crazy bastards who disappeared with Favre. Deputy Nutz and GBM are two I wish were around here. There are all kinds of people I wish I could talk Packers with more comfortably in GB.

Haha Now you and I are able to communicate:

" What sort of rubs me wrong with you (woodbuck27) is outside of the soap-box type comments about all cheering for the same team, you don't seem to do anything to smooth things over with people. I do get you, and we don't fight, but son of a bitch, I got down right pissed off reading the Favre stuff. He had to follow the rules too, woodbuck. He's not above them. " JH

JH as I wrote in an earlier post...and you desiring me to sort of smooth things over. That's why we have a poster like pbmax. He's a very IMO introspective person. pbmax like all solid posters. Takes his slants on certain things/issues but he's the sort of man that can look deeper into it. He's sorta 'closed - open' minded; or as a person>>>growing.

I'm a Capricorn and by nature very analytical. I'm also intelligent.

I even think that (maybe?) just maybe? ... Patler (yes Patler) is also changing to a more open minded accepting of other's views and visions/looks poster. I see Patler growing of late and not posting like a voice from some statue.

Posters we have lost. JH I often wonder about those solid posters that I miss too. Posters that can teach me something. That's why I'm here. To learn and grow as a Packer fan. As an NFL fan and refine my hobby more and more as I improve my knowledge.

You don't like my GO PACK GO's. Jheesssh ! LOL

Your breaking my heart. :arrow: I'm a Green Bay Packer fan.

We lost some really solid posters over the crap for sure. We lost a lot of posters over the clear insanity. We saw some of that return on this past weekend and some posters here actually revel in and cheer that garbage. Is that observation 'just' the Canadian in me or is my definition of 'clearly CRAZY'. Just simply different than most here!?

Packerrats and the Favre Packer Divorce:

Whenever two groups 'slant' one Vs the other. Some onlookers will get 'plain and simple', sick of the argument. Especially when it gets over the top to the point of certain insult and crassness. What was once a small and tight Favre camp got beaten to death by the more dominant hate Favre group here. make 'no mistake about my use of the 'H' word. The hatred here was and remains in my view... disgusting among so deemed .... sane adults. The hatred has been clearly to me...disgusting and I hate that it still raises it's ugly head here....and 'the morons' ... actually cheer it.

You people who hate are dooming all the positive karma we need to generate as Packer fans to get back to the Super Bowl. I'm Irish so don't argue with me and karma.

You haters are screwing the Green Bay Packers. You all far from decently truly supportive Packer fans. Hey ....have fun with the Favre stuff but please STOP the HATE. Favre is fun ! He's certainly at times very different and not easy for all of you to understand. I try my very best to get there and have failed in the past.

So JH:

You wanted me to smooth it over here at Packerrats.

Jaysus, Murphy and Joseph man. I had to fight like hell just to try and breathe here. Just as your views and personality go man. As you had to fight for any decency and modem of respect JH. I had to do the same. You and I have both been ridiculed and subjected to the judgements of those 'who imagine their shit doesn't stink'. You and I have that in common JH.

Does it really matter if your disrespected? It doesn't to me. I simply do my best to make Packerrats work. I'm not always going to please em all. That's never my goal.

This is a fricken tough board. Quite frankly, there are posters here that imagine they know it all; and 'in fact' as I view them. Don't have a damn clue about anything even resembling common decency and manners and posting that in any sense of a decent personality. These are the posters that somehow imagine that they're entitled and who overall contribute 'only Jack Shit' to 'the real good' of Packerrats. You know full well who they are. They know 'full well' who they are.

Thank goodness most of them are gone or have retreated into their holes and under their rocks.

These are the posters that won't read me because I tell it the way it is. I write with the Irish passion I was born with. I also temper that passion with more fricken' PR skills then I ever possessed before I met members here that often frequent or occasionally and so disruptively enter Packerrats.

Packerrats is a mighty interesting experience. You have to have the patience and mind your P's and Q's attitude of a fricken' choir boy here; or you'll get trampled on, by posters that are clearly sick with their self-delusions of grandeur.

JH sometimes man they make me sick. I have to be so strong. Thus I do smooth things over. I also call a spade a spade. I'll never stand idle in the course of a near 'nazi/fascist' attitude.

In real life they need but one thing. A swift kick in the ass attitude thrown down on them. I come from a background where such could never survive ... less change. In real life I would' only' show them the back of my hand because their useless and disruptive 'Jack Shit' troublemakers.

Their no better than a useless mob whenever they congregate and are allowed to get on a roll..

You know how I look at it overall JH:

I realize this one fact about life. Everyone even the worst 'snakes of people' can change. That sure as HELL isn't going to happen, if you bend over for their silly ways. :grin:

Let me ask you this?

look at all the posters here at Packerrts. Man we have come to know one another here. Of all the posters here. Who would you enjoy inviting over to your place for a some good eats and a few beers Vs HELL NO ... are you kidding me!

Finally on solid posters that we miss. This is a very sad topic for yours truly.

It's like a football team. Good people 'good posters' come and go. Even a few really good one's stay and draw the course. Packerrats is like a really interesting street in an interesting cosmopolitan neighborhood. If you cannot accept everyone here than your no damn good to the whole. When I see a poster come out and drill another poster here. I want to go all over that poster for acting so fricken unkind.

No one here has the right to insult any other poster that trys to contribute here. We don't have that many regular posters and all that BS does is intimidate any new poster that may wish to step into Packerrats and explore his/her love of football on a higher degree.

I swear to GOD. From this post on. if any of you sad sack posters attack any other poster here. I'll be down your throat. Your going to get two barrels worth of woodbuck27. I promise you.

That's not cool. That's not ever fun. So all of you. The next time you decide to Lord/Madame it over another poster here. You will deal with my dissatisfaction and that. Smarten up and try to fly right please.

I'll tell you this about me JH. Of all posters here at Packerrats. I'm certainly one of, if not the best one, for having your back. I write that because I know that's the TRUTH. When so many are just useless dipshit troublemakers and deep down so fricken important feeling to themselves that they'd leave you laying and hardly breathing in a ditch.

Is that a fair advertisement for Packerrats.

Your damn right it is. Because here your allowed freedom of speech. If the 'so important's' don't like it; as they identify themselves in my writing here ... so what. I say then.... simply look at yourselves and 'just' try to change.

You don't have to like me. I could care less because I'm a decent man. Simply try to like yourselves better.

So you want me to smooth it over here JH.

How's that for my style and best effort? I love Packerrats and I simply desire us all as members to love each other better. For every member here 'to think' before the post. I sure utilized my thought process's in this response to you JH. I TRUST that now you'll truly understand woodbuck27...better.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Rodgers (6 post season victories, 1 SB victory)
EDIT: Favre (13 post season victories, 1 SB victory)

mis-post. Favre had 13 post season wins. Was 13-11. Was 4-7 after 1997.

Hey JH:

I'm FULL...FULL...FULL ON with Aaron Rodgers as he's our NO. 1 QB. I better be as Aaron Rodgers has just recently been rewarded with a rich contract that included a $40 million$ payout to him before this year is over and as I understood it.

Try to get that please.

This is the Favre thread. This is where I can post anything and Brett Favre as I work to help make 'any' sense of it all and Brett Favre.

Please don't allow that to upset or intimidate you.

RELAX please.

How's that for some effort to try and smooth things over? Gee I'm 'the diplomat' now. :???:

GO PACK GO !

PS JH when it's meant to be hollow I post thus:

go pack go

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

http://media.vcstar.com/media/img/photos/2009/10/31/20091031-231333-pic-9739544_t607.jpg

[Scott Campbell]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee4/jpopp79/fanball/burning-favre-jersey.jpg

[Scott Campbell]

http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/barack-obama-aaron-rodgers-ted-thompson-2011-8-12-16-0-0.jpg?w=655&h=460

[Fritz]

Scott, your posts are mostly funny, but that one crossed a line.

Time, people. Give it time. It may take a few years, but it will happen.

In the meantime...responding to Patler's belief that very rare should be a jersey/number retirement...how about a compromise? Retire his jersey, and hang it so it looks like this:

Favre
4
Inches

[Carolina_Packer]

I think you have mostly hit upon the truth here. Brett did see the writing on the wall (AR) but had to get his release from this contract with GB so he could go to MN. When TT didn't give it to him the relationship really soured between team and player. It didn't help that Favre didn't file his reinstatement papers right away either. By the time BF did it didn't take long before he was traded to NY.

Hmm, I don't recall that he had asked TT to release him, but then it probably went something like this...

1. Fake retirement in March/April 2008
2. Spend summer plotting next move, still talking to the Packers occasionally, knowing that they still want you to play, not 100% sure of their belief in AR.
3. Training camp comes, "get the itch" (never really lose it?) to play again
4. Tell the Packers you are coming back, and reach the cross-roads of your career in Green Bay. Now the Packers can either A) Give you your job back or B) Move on with AR I still maintain he knew that if he came back so late that TT/MM would say no.
5. Once they told him he could be a backup, he asked for his release. Now, if Brett really got mad because Green Bay wouldn't simply release him, then his ego got the best of him. He should have known better. What club is going to just release him for no compensation? Answer=None. So was he faking being upset at that point, or just that delusional that he thought the team should release him to sign with whoever he wanted (Vikings).
6. Now the Packers had only one choice to make; trade him for the best compensation they could get. Keeping him around at that point wasn't going to be an option.

I loved watching him play, and appreciated all he gave the team, but during that episode, I was not happy with how he handled his business. He was like a kid who was not going to take responsibility for his own actions and the consequences of them. It's call manipulation. If he seriously thought the Packers should just release him with no thought of compensation, then he was seriously deluded. I think he just wanted to look like the good guy throughout, no matter how he acted.

After that happened, I knew Packer fans who lost their minds being mad at TT and the Packers. Why? Because they didn't automatically give Brett the starting job back. Because they felt like Favre had done so much for the Packers that the team should have kept his spot open indefinitely, no matter how disruptive his indecision was to the plans of the team. I seriously wondered if some of them weren't bigger Favre fans than they were Green Bay Packer fans. I realized that at some point I reach my limits with a player's behavior and I can't look past all of their actions, no matter how important they are to the team, and I don't put one player above the team.

[gbgary]

plenty of players finished their careers with other teams, and were welcomed back, but none had a scorched-earth policy like bf.

[pbmax]

Once it was clear the Packers did not want him back, he asked the Packers for his release.

The Packers stalled because they feared he would head right to Minnesota. But eventually, with all the paperwork filed they couldn't put the inevitable off for any longer and he flew north the night of the scrimmage.

After the series of meetings at Lambeau and with Brett at his house the Packers agreed they would try to trade him. So did he ask for his release? Yes, but was it after the Packers told him they had moved on? Yes.

[Pugger]

Hmm, I don't recall that he had asked TT to release him, but then it probably went something like this...

1. Fake retirement in March/April 2008
2. Spend summer plotting next move, still talking to the Packers occasionally, knowing that they still want you to play, not 100% sure of their belief in AR.
3. Training camp comes, "get the itch" (never really lose it?) to play again
4. Tell the Packers you are coming back, and reach the cross-roads of your career in Green Bay. Now the Packers can either A) Give you your job back or B) Move on with AR I still maintain he knew that if he came back so late that TT/MM would say no.
5. Once they told him he could be a backup, he asked for his release. Now, if Brett really got mad because Green Bay wouldn't simply release him, then his ego got the best of him. He should have known better. What club is going to just release him for no compensation? Answer=None. So was he faking being upset at that point, or just that delusional that he thought the team should release him to sign with whoever he wanted (Vikings).
6. Now the Packers had only one choice to make; trade him for the best compensation they could get. Keeping him around at that point wasn't going to be an option.

I loved watching him play, and appreciated all he gave the team, but during that episode, I was not happy with how he handled his business. He was like a kid who was not going to take responsibility for his own actions and the consequences of them. It's call manipulation. If he seriously thought the Packers should just release him with no thought of compensation, then he was seriously deluded. I think he just wanted to look like the good guy throughout, no matter how he acted.

After that happened, I knew Packer fans who lost their minds being mad at TT and the Packers. Why? Because they didn't automatically give Brett the starting job back. Because they felt like Favre had done so much for the Packers that the team should have kept his spot open indefinitely, no matter how disruptive his indecision was to the plans of the team. I seriously wondered if some of them weren't bigger Favre fans than they were Green Bay Packer fans. I realized that at some point I reach my limits with a player's behavior and I can't look past all of their actions, no matter how important they are to the team, and I don't put one player above the team.

If he still wanted to play for GB why would he wait knowing full well that MM and TT would move on with Rodgers if he dragged his feet? :confused: I suspect BF wanted out of GB for a couple of reasons (he was sick of playing in the cold and Rodgers being there) hoping if he waited long enough TT would give him his release just to stop the PR nightmare. I also believe when TT didn't release him from his contract the relationship between player and team went sour. But none of us will never know for sure unless someone writes a "tell-all" book in the future.

[Pugger]

Once it was clear the Packers did not want him back, he asked the Packers for his release.

The Packers stalled because they feared he would head right to Minnesota. But eventually, with all the paperwork filed they couldn't put the inevitable off for any longer and he flew north the night of the scrimmage.

After the series of meetings at Lambeau and with Brett at his house the Packers agreed they would try to trade him. So did he ask for his release? Yes, but was it after the Packers told him they had moved on? Yes.

Looking back there was a game of chicken going on on both sides. Favre played the waiting game hoping the Packers would tire of the PR mess and release him just to get him out of their hair. The Packers stood silently by hoping Favre would give it up and stay retired. Once they decided to move forward with Rodgers there was no way in hell they wanted Favre anywhere in the NFC. Technically TT and company didn't have to do a thing until Favre filed that paperwork. Once BF did it didn't take long before he was traded to NY.

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck, if you want to fit in with people, go to people who have similar interests (go to a Favre forum if there are any left.) If you want to argue with people and change their minds about something, just say it. You've never brought Packer fans together. You come here and fight about Favre. You split people up, then guilt people by trotting out your, "we're all Packer fans" BS. If you really wanted to bring people together, you'd bring people together. But that's not the result of your actions. The result is bickering and separation. Spare us the bullshit. And if you really want to bring people together, do it. I'd applaud you and respect you for it.

You're up to your moose horns in bullshit.

[Scott Campbell]

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[swede]

If Woody quit being Woody he wouldn't be the...Maple Leaf Rag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BVHK8Yh8Bc)

[Carolina_Packer]

Bob Wolfley from JSOnline notes a recent interview with Favre and a Dallas radio station. Here is the link (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/202846811.html#!page=2&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst) in case you have not read the comments.

[Joemailman]

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[Scott Campbell]

I won't apologize for my confidence, nor my intelligence or wisdom Tarlam!


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[RashanGary]

Scott, your posts are mostly funny, but that one crossed a line.

Time, people. Give it time. It may take a few years, but it will happen.

In the meantime...responding to Patler's belief that very rare should be a jersey/number retirement...how about a compromise? Retire his jersey, and hang it so it looks like this:

Favre
4
Inches

He has really big hands. His huge hands make his wiener look tiny :)

[RashanGary]

Bob Wolfley from JSOnline notes a recent interview with Favre and a Dallas radio station. Here is the link (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/202846811.html#!page=2&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst) in case you have not read the comments.

He's so full of shit, him not using his retirement threats as leverage. Who gives a shit though, he was on a little power trip, didn't appreciate being in the league nearly enough.

He said he's coming back though. Glad to hear. He played here for a long time and played really well. Now I'm going to leave this topic the fuck alone. I hope the Packers get rid of anyone who makes a scene immediately when the day comes. No good comes out of treating him like shit.

[woodbuck27]

Scott, your posts are mostly funny, but that one crossed a line.

Time, people. Give it time. It may take a few years, but it will happen.

In the meantime...responding to Patler's belief that very rare should be a jersey/number retirement...how about a compromise? Retire his jersey, and hang it so it looks like this:

Favre
4
Inches

Fritz:

At least you can write certain humor.

That other ahh errrrr mmmm ocassional 'hardly' poster:

It's all 'black' paint. It's fallen 'now' into a state of certain depravity ... 'the 99% shit bracket' of posts from hell.

Then 'of course' on a more empathetic side and the one I'm taking now. It could be something else all together or for ie:

Brain Cancer and Gliomas or Pituitary Tumors and maybe!?

A call or alarm for essential tremor and Stereotactic Thalamotomy. That sort of need of medical attention isn't always determined by, or strictly age related; but possible describing the symptoms calling for deep brain stimulation for Parkinson's Disease or another harder to strictly diagnose form of dementia.

Maybe in the case of this poster. It's an angry response because of something that's always been there or from birth or early childhood. Something like... 'Brain Stem Glioma' that has been primarily and as a root cause of present behaviour propagated to where it exists now by overt or obvious neglect.

This posters (Scott Campbell's) style is a mere call out for some long awaited attention. Obviously Scott Campbell is here. If not trying to post something that's NOT crazy or outrageous but here in some obvious need. I mean Scott Campbell I presume is some human being. Not some Stephen King...ish 'stylized poster' that has one objective and primary focus of late:

To SPAM Packerrats. I truly sense or believe that Scott Campbell needs serious attention... needs help.

Often certain erratic and designed attention grabbing behaviour; is simply and sadly a symptom of a developing adult brain tumor (s).

I'm implying here that SC isn't just one bad ass ugly and disruptive towords anything resembling even a decent sense of PEACE at Packerrats. His style isn't designed so much to create mild chaos by it's obvious 'obsessed characteristics'; as much to me as a man crying out for help.

Possibly those that need to pay attention that live closest to Scott Campbell are neglecting him because of the difficulties he might offer them if they even insinuate help.

I'm sincerely concerned. This posters behaviour is alarming to me. I believe the poster referred to affectionately as Scott Campbell is in serious bad shape. Very possibly in need of some very serious medical attention!?

This hasn't anything to do with Packers.

This has everything to do with the common concern we might pay or might have the decency and awareness of to truly CARE. Exercise a raised level of compassion towards a mutual member at Packerrats.

Am I the 'only' member that might give a damn? I care about Scott Campbell.

At the same time and well right now. I IGNORE Scott Campbell.

See 'the bottom line' is simply this.

Scott Campbell has to care for himself as much as I care for him. Scott Campbell has to love Scott Campbell. Right now that's painfully and obviously ..... a real challenge.

I've witnessed it countless times in the past. He'll not get that done by himself.

Scott Campbell needs help.

For once Scott Campbell act .... responsibly PLEASE. I've never seen you get there and totally before now. I challenge you man.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, if you want to fit in with people, go to people who have similar interests (go to a Favre forum if there are any left.) If you want to argue with people and change their minds about something, just say it. You've never brought Packer fans together. You come here and fight about Favre. You split people up, then guilt people by trotting out your, "we're all Packer fans" BS. If you really wanted to bring people together, you'd bring people together. But that's not the result of your actions. The result is bickering and separation. Spare us the bullshit. And if you really want to bring people together, do it. I'd applaud you and respect you for it.

You're up to your moose horns in bullshit.


JH:

I'm not a one agenda poster here at packerrats . A poster that is driven mostly by any certain passion for Brett Favre. I'm always trying to understand Brett Favre as the enigma he is to this Packer and NFL fan.

I'm simply a poster that struggles to understand Brett Favre and a lot that goes on RE: anything Green Bay Packers. A poster that tries my level best to contribute positively to this forum. If sometimes I choose to disagree with the likes of you and vice versa ... so be it.

I'm not perfect on this one but I generally try to attack the post and not the poster unless it's gotten to personal and then I do my level best to curtail that nonsense. If you want to be 'the alfa male' better man...the better Packer fan. Take that to yourself JH.

Please..... PLEASE. Let go of the silly ass personal attacks JH. The insulting to yourself accusations of my deemed by you bullshit; 'only' raises your own.

I'll inform you of this Packer fan. I'm not about 'anything' even closely resembling bullshit. In terms of Brett Favre I continue to try to understand that man. I'll never hate that man. Far far from that stance JH. There are enough like you to want me to take a far far better approach and anything Brett Favre.

The reason why!? My way is...the BEST way.

If you disagree with my position on anything Brett Favre or with my position here at Packerrats as you've expressed. PLEASE take note, that your derogatory remarks to me have been duly noted; and are in same... taken as some advisement.

I'm always trying to contribute more positives here at Packerrats. It's a constant task and focus of mine.

Now back to you JH:

If anything Brett Favre annoys you to the degree that you have to go one on one with me. Get off this thread as you cannot deal with it's primary focus.

You obviously have to be aggressive or to take it personal. Going there and me is a senseless undertaking as it takes two to tangle.

I'm not going to fight with you when I'm holding the BEST HAND. Your over 'the top' in terms of your 'tell'. Ever play poker JH? I'm very decent.... playing poker. If your sitting at my table. I might own your money. :wink:

The Brett Favre thread... JH:

You do not need to be educated and this thread. This thread is about news and all things Brett Favre as they arise. After all, Brett Favre is a certain Green Bay Packer Legend, whether you acknowledge such or not. As a Green Bay Packer QB he has a resume as a Green Bay Packer and the records to be certainly regarded 'by anyone half sensible', as a remarkable Green Bay Packer in 'a certain positive sense'.

There can be 'no doubt' about the greatness of Favre and Packers. Any other view is frankly to be categorized as....deluded by extreme prejudice and therefore ... without merit.

Brett Favre JH. That's the predominant focus of this thread.

Simply try your best or better to deal with that fact, and specifically that without personal harm/injury/insult/ against any poster here?

I'm a poster here and will be until I die JH. Control yourself JH if that's possible. Just try to get a grip. I'm a very proud member of Packerrats. The likes of you have done too much to drive away good people. I'll never suffer such weakness, as the wrath of the likes of you, and running 'high -tail' away from my Packer forum.

PLEASE try your best to recognize why this thread was published here at Packerrts. Why it's existed to this remarkable status, as a noteable thread on Packerrats; and among 'possibly' all forums. a preeminent thread. This tread is all of what Packerrats has been in my view. The 'good, the bad and the ugly'; but now and forever, the crowning achievement of the struggles of many posters at Packerrats. Some of whom we're lost over certain posters like you that choose hatred as your sick platform. That attack with such utter contempt... decent people.

I really don't see you as such. Your not 'a Scott Campbell'. You don't suffer his too obvious issues. I mean SC is a poster here I have a real and personal concern for in terms of his health. His attacks against Favre and anything me and that....certainly don't cause me any sweaty palms/brow. SC is a fanatical person 'with real issues' that he must own.

I feel terrible for the poster known as Scott Campnell. He's a fellow member of my Green bay Packer forum. If I'm 2 cents worth of 'anything even mildly approaching decency'? I'm certainly that thank GOD.

I'd better be concerned for Scott Campbell. Obviously... too many here aren't.

Yet the focus of this post isn't the troubled poster Scott Campbell.

I'm focusing on a poster that has some level of merit. SC has zero of that in my books as a poster here. SC comes here to post garbage.

As a human being it's far different for me and SC. I also know I cannot help him.

It's you JH I hope to reach:

Your type will never drive all the Brett Favre supports for the contribution he did make away. This thread was created for such posters . This was to be a home for such to go on following and possibly appreciating Brett Favre. You and some others here have gone out of your way to do nothing but create chaos and havoc with posters like me. At times the sickness has been almost overwhelming even to a strong man like myself.

You cannot handle the Brett Favre thread because of your extremes of anger and fanatical hatred for that man. Like I posted before. Your hate is BIG JH. You also hate aggressively. Your hate is maybe different than say that projected by other posters here; but that hate you have will unlikely never reside to the level it needs to get too. Too truly appreciating Brett Favre, as I choose to try to do.

See ....I'm not done trying to understand Brett Favre; just as I'm not done trying with you man.

I exercise my freedom to use a positive. Your choosing a negative and so be it; but keep the personal attacks and me inside of yourself. Your the tough guy JH.

Please try to control yourself. Debate without the dink ass animosity and extremes that you've now arrived at. Do you want to drive me out of Packerrats JH. Do you want me to do what so many have done because of your (and the like here of your hatred) JH? Because of your need to use extreme animosity. It's plainly now obvious to me that I must seriously consider resigning at Packerrats.

You want me to quit!?

If so .... FUCK YOU .... JH.

You choose your side and I'll exercise my FREEDOM here to post mine and anything I damn well please and Brett Favre. If you cannot deal with it. Simply ignore the Brett Favre thread or alternatively. If you need to post anything keep it less personal please.

Otherwise ... carry on here at Packerrats (with the ebb and tide of all things Green Bay Packer) and contribute the positive (s) that your certainly capable of and that I personally enjoy.

If your a demonstrator of 'the fricken' party line here' and it must be thus and all things Green Bay Packer. Take that where the sun doesn't shine JH....................................... and me.

You'll never convert me too blindness and a collar and chain.

GO PACK GO !

[RashanGary]

Woody, I said some truths. It wouldn't have gotten to you if I didn't.

At the same time, I wouldn't want you to leave and a part of me knows I got too contentious in those posts, so I apologize for that part.

But Woodbuck, you have a very elusive, passive-aggressive nature, one that's very hard to fight back against. Sometimes I think posters are at their wits end when they get into these debates with you because it's a lot of no-win scenarios. I credit you on your ability to frustrate the shit out of people. It's no easy task, to be reasonable enough to keep people from completely ignoring you, while still frustrating the shit out of them at the same time. Most posters who are as frustrating as you just get shunned usually, but you have enough other qualities that you get away with it. Scott Campbell obviously does what he does to get under your skin. Usually, that type of post would just get annoying. But to SC's credit, he sees how incredibly frustrating you are to most people and doesn't play by your rules. He just takes it to the same no-win level you already have it at. And when you look at it, people don't get away with doing that to other posters on this forum or anywhere, really. But he does to you, because even though your direct words say you're not asking for a fight, the no-win nature of the conversations you're in say you are. So don't be surprised.

Like I said, I did say some truths, and I'm not sorry for that. At the same time, you're a cool guy and I know Favre matters to you so you won't be seeing me fight you on it, especially as hard as I did here.

You'll stand up for people when they need it. You obviously don't like seeing people hurt. But. . . I don't think you're as good of a guy when you feel someone deserves it, asks for it, or you perceive as a threat. The things you do here, the passive-aggressive attacks, I think you flat out feel a sense of satisfaction when you lay your guilt trips and put your, "we're all Packer fans" stuff. Like we talked about earlier, you haven't brought people together, so using those types of statements serve only as guilt tripping and shutting people up, not actual effective conflict resolution. The results, woodbuck. The results are the reason for the actions. The results of your actions are people leave frustrated and guilt-tripped. The results could just as easily be people leaving feeling more connected. Saying it is not doing it.

Maybe you're pissed off at how hard people are on Favre. Maybe deep down, you know it affects him when people hate him. Maybe, deep down, you want people to pay for doing that to Favre and rather than bringing people together, you're punishing them for hurting Favre (and yourself.)

And Woodbuck, I don't stand on a high horse. I've done it. Probably less and less over the years, but I still do it. And when I'm doing it, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts I don't know I'm doing it. I bring it out here, on you. I'm OK if you do the same to me. I guarantee you I won't like it at first, but I guarantee I'll think about it and change my ways if I'm really pushing someone too.

I did not name call and personal attack here. I talked about some tactics I don't like, that I think present no-win situations and that I don't see as being helpful. I hope you feel I have the right to do that, and I hope you can see that I'm not judging or crucifying you either. Nobodies perfect, you either.

People have to pay for their actions, woodbuck. If someones actions pushes people away (even passive-aggressive ones, like Favre does, that you can't pin down.) People get pushed away for a reason. Favre has to either live with that or learn from it. The hope is, he realizes how much the people he pushed away matter and he learns from it. I think he has a huge ego that gets in his way from having a happy life. This is a learning opportunity for him. It hurts. Matters of the ego do, just like the truth does. But hurt is the part of life that tells us something is wrong, tells us to change-up. Favre has some hurt here, and it's telling him to change something. Don't rescue him. Let him realize something is wrong. And don't leave this forum because I hurt you. Screw that. Some of it was true. Some of it was BS. Own the truth, smack back the rest and move on better for it.

[Scott Campbell]

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[woodbuck27]

Woody, I said some truths. It wouldn't have gotten to you if I didn't.

At the same time, I wouldn't want you to leave and a part of me knows I got too contentious in those posts, so I apologize for that part.

But Woodbuck, you have a very elusive, passive-aggressive nature, one that's very hard to fight back against. Sometimes I think posters are at their wits end when they get into these debates with you because it's a lot of no-win scenarios. I credit you on your ability to frustrate the shit out of people. It's no easy task, to be reasonable enough to keep people from completely ignoring you, while still frustrating the shit out of them at the same time. Most posters who are as frustrating as you just get shunned usually, but you have enough other qualities that you get away with it. Scott Campbell obviously does what he does to get under your skin. Usually, that type of post would just get annoying. But to SC's credit, he sees how incredibly frustrating you are to most people and doesn't play by your rules. He just takes it to the same no-win level you already have it at. And when you look at it, people don't get away with doing that to other posters on this forum or anywhere, really. But he does to you, because even though your direct words say you're not asking for a fight, the no-win nature of the conversations you're in say you are. So don't be surprised.

Like I said, I did say some truths, and I'm not sorry for that. At the same time, you're a cool guy and I know Favre matters to you so you won't be seeing me fight you on it, especially as hard as I did here.

You'll stand up for people when they need it. You obviously don't like seeing people hurt. But. . . I don't think you're as good of a guy when you feel someone deserves it, asks for it, or you perceive as a threat. The things you do here, the passive-aggressive attacks, I think you flat out feel a sense of satisfaction when you lay your guilt trips and put your, "we're all Packer fans" stuff. Like we talked about earlier, you haven't brought people together, so using those types of statements serve only as guilt tripping and shutting people up, not actual effective conflict resolution. The results, woodbuck. The results are the reason for the actions. The results of your actions are people leave frustrated and guilt-tripped. The results could just as easily be people leaving feeling more connected. Saying it is not doing it.

Maybe you're pissed off at how hard people are on Favre. Maybe deep down, you know it affects him when people hate him. Maybe, deep down, you want people to pay for doing that to Favre and rather than bringing people together, you're punishing them for hurting Favre (and yourself.)

And Woodbuck, I don't stand on a high horse. I've done it. Probably less and less over the years, but I still do it. And when I'm doing it, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts I don't know I'm doing it. I bring it out here, on you. I'm OK if you do the same to me. I guarantee you I won't like it at first, but I guarantee I'll think about it and change my ways if I'm really pushing someone too.

I did not name call and personal attack here. I talked about some tactics I don't like, that I think present no-win situations and that I don't see as being helpful. I hope you feel I have the right to do that, and I hope you can see that I'm not judging or crucifying you either. Nobodies perfect, you either.

People have to pay for their actions, woodbuck. If someones actions pushes people away (even passive-aggressive ones, like Favre does, that you can't pin down.) People get pushed away for a reason. Favre has to either live with that or learn from it. The hope is, he realizes how much the people he pushed away matter and he learns from it. I think he has a huge ego that gets in his way from having a happy life. This is a learning opportunity for him. It hurts. Matters of the ego do, just like the truth does. But hurt is the part of life that tells us something is wrong, tells us to change-up. Favre has some hurt here, and it's telling him to change something. Don't rescue him. Let him realize something is wrong. And don't leave this forum because I hurt you. Screw that. Some of it was true. Some of it was BS. Own the truth, smack back the rest and move on better for it.

JH:

Scott Campbell never does...never has gotten under my skin. SC isn't well.

All I have ever felt for Scott Campbell is pain for whatever he suffers.

Now this thread is about Brett Favre.

If you have anything positive in regards to Brett Favre and me 'in any terms' and Brett Favre ...fire away. or please...stay on topic.

Somehow discussing Brett Favre and Scott Campbell in the same post is repugnant. Surely you'll truly understand or appreciate me writing that.

I've had Scott Campbell on ignore for awhile now JH. Whenever he gets out of sorts I must do that. I feel too much suffering for 'his pain'.

GO PACK GO !

[Scott Campbell]

I'm always trying to contribute more positives here at Packerrats. It's a constant task and focus of mine.

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You want me to quit!?

If so .... FUCK YOU .... JH.


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[mraynrand]

I care about Scott Campbell. I IGNORE Scott Campbell.

why did I ever leave this forum? This is quality drama. The real question is when does the watercooler get thrown out the window?

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[Freak Out]

Ice caps are melting down....Rand and Campbell are back.

[Freak Out]

Epic stuff. Just epic. :wow::lol:

[Upnorth]

This stuff belongs in the Brad Jones thread

[woodbuck27]

Ice caps are melting down....Rand and Campbell are back.

Ohh Jaysus next thing I'll be held responsible for that happening at Packerrats.

The fact of the matter. I'd love to see every former Packerrat return.

After that 'the IGNORE Function' is available. It truly works.

It's a darn good thing it's easy being woodbuck27. :grin:

[woodbuck27]

This stuff belongs in the Brad Jones thread

Dear Lord NO! Please no!!

We don't need any more of this stuff happening at Packerrats ....OUR Packer HOME.

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Lurking and Stalking. The creepy shit.....of creeps.

[woodbuck27]

plenty of players finished their careers with other teams, and were welcomed back, but none had a scorched-earth policy like bf.

Most of that not created in anything Brett Favre; yet mostly:

a) by a media that loves to stir the pot for sales.

b) Packer fans that we're flat out fed up with Brett Favre, 'a long time before' the last game he played at Lambeau Field. Packer fans that wanted to see Aaron Rodgers get the shot he certainly had to have before he left Green Bay.

It got too... like that old song':

'It's now or .... never'.

Simple.....Reality Therapy for all players involved. Simple Reality therapy' for all aging even Superstar Pro Athletes ...sometimes based in the most unique needs to move on. This is exactly 'one of those' rare instances.

Nothing more or less. The complications arrive in the details that got seriously ridiculous on both sides.

A FIRE fights FIRE scenario that before it ended had to involve the NFL Head office to ensure fairness to both sides. In which the Green Bay Packers couldn't possibly entirely force through, even with a very generous alternate plan, of an $20 million$ offer to Brett Favre ... to please 'just' stay retired.

They were knowing and totally ignoring a man and his need 'for Free Will'. That fact or error on behalf of the Green Bay Packers was simply ridiculous or pointless in the most obvious to me....extreme.

If any of you Favre haters can simply land right there you have a solid opportunity to get to where I've been from the start of it all. Otherwise Hate away for all the joy that might allow you. I'm not trying to persuade any of you to do anything even close to my position.

I like my rather unique position and this issue here. I'm proud to set myself where I do. To take 'the high road'.

The reality of this issue. You 'as a bottom line'; have to have 'the good stuff' to get there. To get to where I am.

It's really not about anything Brett Favre. It's really all about you the Packer fan and poster here at Packerrats.

Forgiveness 'of yourself' is a personal choice. I've never been a promoter of the impossible or directing change in anyone. I know I cannot change anyone. I may hope for or remain in faith for change that is recommended for a real positive outcome. I'm wise enough to know... that change is strictly personal. Change is most difficult when such is controlled in any collective environment. Hate actually breeds >>> HATE.

The worst HATE mongers here hate anything that might cause you to join me. It's entirely their agenda to denigrate woodbuck27. They do that 'out of FEAR'. Their agendas are so delicious for their ways.

Hatred >>> Not ever been my cup of tea. Never will be under any threat or circumstance. I'm so very grateful for the instruction I received in my lifetime to not ever regress to that level, of ever going there.

Pick your soup. Mines really ............. sweet. :smile:

GO PACKERS !

[MadtownPacker]

Woody - Honestly if this thread gets deleted it will also be because of you too not just others. Let's get back to everything else before there is nothing else please.

[woodbuck27]

Once it was clear the Packers did not want him back, he asked the Packers for his release.

The Packers stalled because they feared he would head right to Minnesota. But eventually, with all the paperwork filed they couldn't put the inevitable off for any longer and he flew north the night of the scrimmage.

After the series of meetings at Lambeau and with Brett at his house the Packers agreed they would try to trade him. So did he ask for his release? Yes, but was it after the Packers told him they had moved on? Yes.

If you check pb. Favre asked for his outright release as soon as it became obvious to him that the Packers we're moving to Aaron Rodgers as the NO. 1 QB.

Favre got to know TT and MM and how they play their game POKER and his life. This wasn't 'Rocket Science' to that country boy. TT and MM aren't difficult to understand.

Brett Fave and Deanna didn't arrive in Green Bay with Favre's agent for dinner at Faver's home there. They all weren't just dieing to dine at Applebee's...again. Have a steak at Brett Favre's steak house if that even existed. Favre was well aware of the bullshit.

It was clearly showdown time. Time for Brett Favre to cut bait with TT and MM. Damn ...it got so stinking wrong... that even today Ted Thompson can't talk about it; and MM isn't far removed from that. The Favre haters want to direct it all to Brett Favre and waffeling and never acknowledge the way that MM acted. The way that TT always acts.

Ted Thompson and MM simply should have been 'men enough' to simply be honest in total regards to an obvious to this Packer fan need. I saw that need building the day that Aaron Rodgers was drafted. I assume then that TT and MM had to realize that same need as I'm sure Aaron Rodgers did.

That need too simple:

To inform Brett Favre soon after the end of that season. That next year or in the 2008 season. They needed to move forward with Aaron Rodgers. Nope.... they had to play out their silly ass'd game. Anyone who believed after his outstanding 2007 season that Favre was done. Was either naïve or seriously not paying attention to the man that Brett Favre is then and will remain.

Do you posters here really believe that TT and MM are that naïve? If you do then I'll inform you that... 'if your right' ? The Green Bay Packers are both over the top too lucky and at the same time given any moderation of luck .... in seriously poor shape.

The fact is that any mention of the word bullshit must be applied clearly to Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy in terms of the Brett Favre end in Green Bay. These men and I'll be very polite... handled Brett Favre very clumsily.

Ohh yea...this one. Brett Favre and today and living in utter misery.

Nope! Wrong again I certainly expect. By wishing or observing this as a TRUTH does not discount the sudden bad fortune that can overtake us all. That lessened as a fact in our lives by all attempts to live decently and still get a blast out of it.

I love every day 'of LIFE'. Life amazes me as much as the differences in people. I handle most of that with an excellent sense of the haha. That doesn't ever mean that I cannot be disposed to the darkness that resides in some people (even) posters that live part of their lives here.

I'm an astute man. I'm also never ' a coward'.

Brett Favre's Life today:

The idea that he's severely depressed about the way he was disrespected in Green Bay is just more delusion. Delusion with very possibly little real compassion. Just more bunk-negative hype. Poor Brett Favre hate mongering!? Delusion after delusion...falsification...to outright lies...certain and common disrespect among hate mongers.

That exists in any society that doesn't have men like me to stand strong against it.

Men like me that doesn't understand the prudence in such a stance to protect the best that society deserves.

Is Brett Favre depressed and otherwise in some severe state of depression or melancholy.

I don't think so. Brett Favre 'I hope', has a pretty decent life. Following any of that through the media certainly projects that as a fact. Brett Favre is doing very well out of the NFL and contributing at the High School level; his football expertise, as the humble man he has been and continues to be.

All that considering his startling or staggering NFL Iconic status is amazing to me. All that he is today 'only' lends more to his obvious LEGENDARY Status. All that will ensure that his number will be retired and he will be proudly inducted into the Green bay Packer HOF when the timing is 'just right' for Brett Favre.

I really hope that gets done before his first ballot induction into the NFL HOF.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Woody - Honestly if this thread gets deleted it will also be because of you too not just others. Let's get back to everything else before there is nothing else please.

My stance and points have been well presented. I remained true to me and the good stuff I believe in.

That has to be hard for some here to take. That in turn gets (maybe) dumped in your lap.

Whenever I know I'm correct I don't need to prove it with as much effort as I do (have done) here.

Why can't the Favre haters simply ignore this thread? Why do they have to have it all their way?

Those are questions that 'only' you must try your best to deal with. I'm truly sympathetic for that Mad.

Otherwise and total respect for you. Sure.... Mad I understand.

It's not fun for me to have to defend Brett Favre or burn down their towers of utter senseless garbage.

Right now I'm enjoying something far better.

Carol King and James Taylor perform at the special invitation by Barack and Michelle Obama at the Whitehouse.

So nice.

GO PACKERS !

[Carolina_Packer]

If you check pb. Favre asked for his outright release as soon as it became obvious to him that the Packers we're moving to Aaron Rodgers as the NO. 1 QB.

What was reported was that the Packers kept checking with him at various times during the off-season to see if he wanted to come back, and by all accounts, he kept saying he was retired. Did you expect the Packers to just give him his outright release as a going away gift without any compensation? Who does that with a player of Favre's value?

Favre got to know TT and MM and how they play their game POKER and his life. This wasn't 'Rocket Science' to that country boy. TT and MM aren't difficult to understand.

Not really sure what you mean by this statement. There was no gun to Brett's head when he decided to retire. If you can prove he was forced out, I'd like to know how. People who want to keep playing do not retire. I know of one player who retired, and then walked back in during training camp thinking he might get his job back, likely realizing he wouldn't, so he could get his freedom. If he got upset that the Packers didn't grant his outright release, then he didn't learn much about the business side of football.

Brett Fave and Deanna didn't arrive in Green Bay with Favre's agent for dinner at Faver's home there. They all weren't just dieing to dine at Applebee's...again. Have a steak at Brett Favre's steak house if that even existed. Favre was well aware of the bullshit.

What bullshit? That he retired? That he kept telling the Packers during the offseason before '08 that he was sure he was retired? That he came back when he knew it was not likely he would get his starter job back? Is that the bullshit you speak of?

It was clearly showdown time. Time for Brett Favre to cut bait with TT and MM. Damn ...it got so stinking wrong... that even today Ted Thompson can't talk about it; and MM isn't far removed from that. The Favre haters want to direct it all to Brett Favre and waffeling and never acknowledge the way that MM acted. The way that TT always acts.

Ted Thompson and MM simply should have been 'men enough' to simply be honest in total regards to an obvious to this Packer fan need. I saw that need building the day that Aaron Rodgers was drafted. I assume then that TT and MM had to realize that same need as I'm sure Aaron Rodgers did.

It was showdown time because of the way one person handled his business. Again, he decided to retire and stay away until he likely knew the Packers would not give him his job back, unless he really thought they would, in which case, he miscalculated. That was a poor way to handle his business. I don't think he wanted to be in Green Bay anymore, but didn't want to look like the bad guy.

That need too simple:

To inform Brett Favre soon after the end of that season. That next year or in the 2008 season. They needed to move forward with Aaron Rodgers. Nope.... they had to play out their silly ass'd game. Anyone who believed after his outstanding 2007 season that Favre was done. Was either naïve or seriously not paying attention to the man that Brett Favre is then and will remain.

Who retired? Brett did. Was there a gun to his head? The man retired and then changed his mind, but from my previous post, I think he handled it this way to get out of Green Bay. 1. Retire, but don't mean it. 2. Wait until worst possible time to want to come back 3. Don't get your wish to get released, so you get traded. I think based on how he handled the situation, he got what he deserved.

I don't think anyone was displeased with Favre's play in 2007.

No

Do you posters here really believe that TT and MM are that naïve? If you do then I'll inform you that... 'if your right' ? The Green Bay Packers are both over the top too lucky and at the same time given any moderation of luck .... in seriously poor shape.

The fact is that any mention of the word bullshit must be applied clearly to Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy in terms of the Brett Favre end in Green Bay. These men and I'll be very polite... handled Brett Favre very clumsily.

Oh? Did they force him to retire? If so, how? He got up on the podium and retired, which was his right to do. If he didn't mean it, he shouldn't have done it. It sounds like Green Bay would have had him back in 2008, had he not retired that March. Favre was the clumsy one, but I think the clumsiness was calculated to come at a time that would Green Bay to choose between him and Rodgers, knowing at the time he came back that they would likely have moved on, unless he thought he could just walk right back in and get his job back, which would have been a miscalculation. Again, I don't think he was expecting that, which is why he came back when he did. Calculated clumsiness; mission accomplished.

Ohh yea...this one. Brett Favre and today and living in utter misery.

Nope! Wrong again I certainly expect. By wishing or observing this as a TRUTH does not discount the sudden bad fortune that can overtake us all. That lessened as a fact in our lives by all attempts to live decently and still get a blast out of it.

I love every day 'of LIFE'. Life amazes me as much as the differences in people. I handle most of that with an excellent sense of the haha. That doesn't ever mean that I cannot be disposed to the darkness that resides in some people (even) posters that live part of their lives here.

I'm an astute man. I'm also never ' a coward'.

Don't strain your arm patting yourself on the back! :wink:

Brett Favre's Life today:

The idea that he's severely depressed about the way he was disrespected in Green Bay is just more delusion. Delusion with very possibly little real compassion. Just more bunk-negative hype. Poor Brett Favre hate mongering!? Delusion after delusion...falsification...to outright lies...certain and common disrespect among hate mongers.

That exists in any society that doesn't have men like me to stand strong against it.

Men like me that doesn't understand the prudence in such a stance to protect the best that society deserves.

Is Brett Favre depressed and otherwise in some severe state of depression or melancholy.

Just because any of us admire someone because they were a great or legendary football player for our favorite team, doesn't mean we are always going to agree with the way they handle their business. He's human, he has flaws like any of us. What separates him is his athletic ability, not his humanity or ability to be flawed or make mistakes, so even if you admire what he did as a Packer, it's OK to think he played his part in the separation from the Packers. I refuse to believe it was just big, bad management running poor, innocent Favre out of town. That's just not the truth. Brett doesn't deserve that much homerism. Nobody does.

I don't think so. Brett Favre 'I hope', has a pretty decent life. Following any of that through the media certainly projects that as a fact. Brett Favre is doing very well out of the NFL and contributing at the High School level; his football expertise, as the humble man he has been and continues to be.

All that considering his startling or staggering NFL Iconic status is amazing to me. All that he is today 'only' lends more to his obvious LEGENDARY Status. All that will ensure that his number will be retired and he will be proudly inducted into the Green bay Packer HOF when the timing is 'just right' for Brett Favre.

I really hope that gets done before his first ballot induction into the NFL HOF.

Couldn't agree more, Woody. He was a great Packer. He was exciting to follow and made it fun to watch the team. He had a fun personality. Like most older players, it's probably hard to let go and retire, or know when it's the right time to go. I think Green Bay wanted him after 2007, but I don't know if he wanted Green Bay, and I don't think he ever wanted to look like the "bad guy". He had a right to retire, and he had a right to not decide his future until training camp. The Packers had the right to move on at some point so they could make their plans for the upcoming season. I give the Packer organization credit for making and sticking to a plan and not being held up, or getting too sentimental about what an aging players plans are. They were right to be ready, knowing that Bret had the right to retire and had indicated he might prior to March 2008. If they never draft a successor to Favre, and just ride it out to the bitter end out of respect to Brett, then everyone kills the front office for not planning. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I give them credit for keeping the longer-term in mind, which is why the Packers transitioned away from Brett without having the tremendous drop-off that some teams have after a legendary QB leaves.

I hope Favre and the Packers organization can get together on some kind of celebration of his career in Green Bay and retirement of his number. He deserves the honor for what he did throughout the time he played for Green Bay. It's hard to ignore his Packer exit, but it's way more fun to think of his overall career as a Packer.

GO PACK GO !

See comments in bold above.

[George Cumby]

Brett Favre's Life today:



Lots of Internet porn.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Here's Brett's retirement transcript from when he retired while with the Packers. I don't see any mention that TT or MM forced him out. Seems he said that he simply couldn't commit to the rigors of the game any longer.

http://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/favretranscript.html

[woodbuck27]

See comments in bold above.

I've read and respect your comments. You handle yourself extremely well.

Well done Carolina_Packer.

PLEASE... understand that I'm not going to respond to your points that are very well taken. You have certain skills that I totally respect. I've worked with strong negotiators and your strong. I appreciate your candor and style here. Your cool and a solid contributor to Packerrats.

For personal reasons I'm electing now to simply stop. That 'dead horse' is beaten to death Packer fan. The natives are getting restless and I must respect that for all concerned here. My 'good fight' is now over, in the interest of prudence and respect.

Brett Favre will receive his 'just' rewards.

I'm simply awaiting the retiring of Brett Favre's number and to his induction into the Green Bay Packers HOF; with extreme pride as a loyal Packer fan to him. I as much know for the Green bay Packer Organization that 'exact plan and move' is a classy and well deserved action.

I understand how very cautious Brett Favre must be in agreeing to accept this honor. There are still many Packer fans that feel justified to harm/hurt Brett Favre. Whatever... I care for Brett Favre.

On that day I will cheer Favre with tears in my eyes and such Green Bay Packer pride in my heart.

As a terrific Green Bay Packer QB, leader, Packer teammate with outstanding character and attitude towords winning; and giving his all to his beloved Green Bay Packers and Packer fans.

Shame on any Packer fan that may judge him negatively on his day at Lambeau Field.

Brett Favre.... Simply 'the very best during his time in the Green and GOLD.

In my books, 'arguably' the very best Packer QB of all time; and an outstanding NFL QB (TOP TEN ALL TIME) and model 'football player' as a Green Bay Packer.

Nobody in the NFL 'of his time' was as exciting to watch. That's hands down ... a pure TRUTH.

Brett Favre wire to wire in the regular season. Simply 'THE BEST' of his time.

GO PACKERS GO !

[woodbuck27]

Here's Brett's retirement transcript from when he retired while with the Packers. I don't see any mention that TT or MM forced him out. Seems he said that he simply couldn't commit to the rigors of the game any longer.

http://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/favretranscript.html

Ok ...one more time:

Brett Favre wasn't forced out of Green Bay.

It was simply time for the Green Bay Packers to turn their attention to the future and as their NO. 1 QB...Aaron Rodgers. Anything else might have turned out as disastrous and frankly a foolish move in terms directly related to Aaron Rodgers and respect for that man.

Is there any poster (s) here at Packerrats that believe he was forced out of Green Bay?

The pressure on Favre was simply to retire/stay retired.

Of course ...that didn't go well.

GO PACK GO!

[Carolina_Packer]

Ok ...one more time:

Brett Favre wasn't forced out of Green Bay.

It was simply time for the Green Bay Packers to turn their attention to the future and as their NO. 1 QB...Aaron Rodgers. Anything else might have turned out as disastrous and frankly a foolish move in terms directly related to Aaron Rodgers and respect for that man.

Is there any poster (s) here at Packerrats that believe he was forced out of Green Bay?

The pressure on Favre was simply to retire/stay retired.

Of course ...that didn't go well.

GO PACK GO!

Well stated. No, never an easy exit for a star. Hard to plan to be succeeded by the next guy, but if you give the team a reason to replace you (retirement and delaying decision to come back until July), don't be surprised that you are not back as the starter automatically. Then, it's nothing to do with your play on the field, but how you handle your business off the field, and the team's need to get ready for the next season and beyond.

His Green Bay exit does not make me forget what a great player he was, and I hope they can mend fences and get together on what is a well-deserved celebration of his career in a public ceremony at Lambeau. I don't know how the fans would react on that day, but hopefully with class and remembering all that he gave the fans during his time in Green Bay, regardless of how it ended or who he ended up playing for.

[ThunderDan]

Interesting quote from the Favre presser.

Favre: "I think last year and the year before I was tired and it took awhile but I came back. Something told me this time not to come back. It took awhile once again. Once again, I wondered if it was the right decision. But I think in my situation, and I had this conversation with Mike and Ted, that it's a unique situation in that at 17 years I had one of the better years in my career, the team had a great year, everything seems to be going great, the team wants me back, I still can play, for the most part everyone would think I would be back, would want me back. That's a unique situation going into an 18th season. There's no guarantees next year, personally and as a team, and I'm well aware of that. It's a tough business and last year and the year before I questioned whether or not I should come back because I didn't play at a high enough level. Other people questioned that. I really didn't question my commitment. I just wondered, 'Could I not play anymore?' I know I can play. But this year, and this is not the first year but it really to me and Deanna was more noticeable, the stress part of it. It's demanding. It always has been, but I think as I've gotten older I'm much more aware of that. I'm much more aware of how hard it is to win in this league and to play at a high level. I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. You can't just show up and play for three hours on Sunday. If you could, there'd be a lot more people doing it and they'd be doing it for a lot longer. I have way too much pride, I expect a lot out of myself, and if I cannot do those things 100 percent, then I can't play."

From BF's own words in March MM & TT want him back as the starting QB in 2008.

[woodbuck27]

Well stated. No, never an easy exit for a star. Hard to plan to be succeeded by the next guy, but if you give the team a reason to replace you (retirement and delaying decision to come back until July), don't be surprised that you are not back as the starter automatically. Then, it's nothing to do with your play on the field, but how you handle your business off the field, and the team's need to get ready for the next season and beyond.

His Green Bay exit does not make me forget what a great player he was, and I hope they can mend fences and get together on what is a well-deserved celebration of his career in a public ceremony at Lambeau. I don't know how the fans would react on that day, but hopefully with class and remembering all that he gave the fans during his time in Green Bay, regardless of how it ended or who he ended up playing for.

Carolina_Packer:

I truly believe (not just hope) that that day will be a truly great day in Green Bay.

The cheers will be loud....very loud for 'the Green Bay Packer Legend'. We won't likely see another like him.

The reason I believe that is for all that MAN gave of himself in Green Bay. Classless objector positions certainly won't dominate 'Brett Favre's Appreciation Day' in Green Bay. The soon to come day when his number four is retired and he's proudly inducted into the Green Bay Packers Hall Of Fame, where he so very richly deserves to be. Such imaginations are pure nonsense. I truly believe that love defeats HATRED.

The fans reaction to his being honored in Green Bay. I believe that has to be a small concern, for Brett Favre and his family and closest friends. I do believe that Favre reads Packer forum reactions. Brett Favre loves football and what people and his fans thinks affects him. Brett Favre 'only' tested himself against .... could he give his best. Brett Favre is a very special man. I've never seen such an emotional Pro Star athlete, that desired to give so much to his fans. He got right there as a Green Bay Packer and football player of outstanding quality.

No QB in the NFL was tested more and survived to win more in his time as a Green bay Packer. Therein lies and survives for all time...THE LEGEND. That's an irrefutable fact of TRUTH. It's unlikely that any football player ever played with more heart than Brett Favre. We'll not likely see anyone ever again with the greatness of Brett Favre.

I fear...not if as Packer fans, we don't get collectively past hatred.

I hope that Brett Favre reads this post and my stances on this thread.

I hope that Brett Favre clearly knows that he's going down in the books and memories of football people:

As the the outstanding football player he will remain for all time. I hope that my support for him against all the derisions he reads on Packer forms. Gives him hope in the realistic outcome; that CLASS always defeats classless.

LOVE and FORGIVNESS ALWAYS DEFEATS hatred.

I love you Brett Favre... it's going to be very proper and very good man.

I'll be cheering you with all my power and might.

Why do I stand with such passion!?

As a solidly concerned Green Bay Packer fan. I'm positive that a stance such as mine is more than good; more than right. It's imperative for the future of the team I love. The Green Bay Packers.

I stand with passion because I'm a member of Packerrats where strong negative opinion exists against a great Green Bay Packer player. If I'm defeated in my position the haters win another battle. So I fight or stand in strong. I cannot be more or less than my Fathers son.

My stance is about the positive and best future of the Green Bay Packers NOT some senseless and selfish fan (s) that doesn't/don't know any better than to smeer Brett Favre... to hate Brett Favre. That doesn't realize that his/her extreme negative ways will possibly bring down the future of the Green Bay Packer Organization, in terms of 'deserving to win'. In terms of the TRUTH of the LAWS Of KARMA.

It's about karma Packerrats. Never challenge or oppose good KARMA with hateful and negative/wrongful positions.

Forgiving Brett Favre is a very good thing. Maybe? ... accept Brett Favre for the awesome Green Bay Packer; he has always tried so hard and proved to be. The BEST winner in his time in Green Bay. That's what he certainly helped give Y'all. Appreciate 'just' that as the smartest move you'll make.

GO GREEN BAY PACKER FANS >>> GO FOR POSITIVE KARMA !

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Carolina_Packer:

I truly believe (not just hope) that that day will be a truly great day in Green Bay.

The cheers will be loud....very loud for 'the Green Bay Packer Legend'. We won't likely see another like him.

The reason I believe that is for all that MAN gave of himself in Green Bay. Classless objector positions certainly won't dominate 'Brett Favre's Appreciation Day' in Green Bay. The soon to come day when his number four is retired and he's proudly inducted into the Green bay Packers Hall Of Fame where he so very richly deserves to be. Such imaginations are pure nonsense. I truly believe that love defeats HATRED.

The fans reaction to his being honored in Green Bay. I believe that has to be a small concern for Brett Favre and his family and closest friends. I do believe that Favre reads Packer forum reactions. Brett Favre loves football and what people and his fans thinks affects him. Brett Favre 'only' tested himself against .... could he give his best. Brett Favre is a very special man. I've never seen such an emotional Pro Star athlete, that desired to give so much to his fans and he got right there as a Green Bay Packer. No QB in the NFL was tested more and survived to win more in his time as a Green bay Packer. Therein lies and survives for all time...THEv LEGEND. That's an irrefutable fact of TRUTH. It's unlikely that any football player ever played with more heart than Brett Favre. We'll not likely see anyone ever again with the greatness of Brett Favre.

Certainly not if as Packer fans we don't get collectively past hatred.

I hope that Brett Favre reads this post and my stances on this thread.

I hope that Brett Favre clearly knows that he's going down in the books and memories of football people:

As the the outstanding football player he will remain for all time. I hope that my support for him against all the derisions he reads on Packer forms. Gives him hope in the realistic outcome that CLASS always defeats classless.

LOVE and FORGIVNESS ALWAYS DEFEATS HATRED.

I love you Brett Favre....it's going to be very proper and very good man.

I will be cheering you with all my power and might.

Why do I stand with such passion!? As a solid Green Bay Packer fan I'm positive that a stance such as mine is good.

My stance is about the positive and best future of the Green Bay Packers NOT some senseless and selfish fan that don't know any better than to smeer Brett Favre to hate Brett Favre. That don't realize that his/her extreme negative ways will bring down the future of the Green Bay Packer Organization in terms of 'deserving to win'.

It's about karma Packerrats. Never challenge or oppose good KARMA with hateful and negative positions.

Forgiving Brett Favre is a very good thing. Maybe? ... accept Brett Favre for the awesome Green Bay Packer he has always tried so hard and proved to be to be 'just that'. The BEST winner in his time in Green Bay. That's what he certainly helped give y'all. Appreciate 'just' that as the smartest move you'll make.

GO GREEN BAY PACKER FANS >>> GO FOR POSITIVE KARMA !

“we won’t see another like him”

- True we will not see another player exactly like him. But as good as him or better? Check back with me in about five years.


“I hope that Brett Favre reads this post and my stances on this thread.”

- He's not.


“I love you Brett Favre...”

- Thats just weird.


”As the the outstanding football player he will remain for all time. I hope that my support for him against all the derisions he reads on Packer forms. Gives him hope in the realistic outcome that CLASS always defeats classless.”

-So you have class if you support Brett Favre blindly and you don’t have class otherwise. Interesting.

[woodbuck27]

“we won’t see another like him”

- True we will not see another player exactly like him. But as good as him or better? Check back with me in about five years.


“I hope that Brett Favre reads this post and my stances on this thread.”

- He's not.


“I love you Brett Favre...”

- Thats just weird.


”As the the outstanding football player he will remain for all time. I hope that my support for him against all the derisions he reads on Packer forms. Gives him hope in the realistic outcome that CLASS always defeats classless.”

-So you have class if you support Brett Favre blindly and you don’t have class otherwise. Interesting.

You pick 'your pill' >>> I'll pick mine. :grin:

GO PACKERS !

[Patler]

Here is a question I have asked myself many times, one that I don't have the answer for:

If BF had spent the bulk of his career playing on a team I cared little for, and basically duplicated his record setting performance for them, complete with his personal trials and tribulations. If he then ended his career for them with a private locker room, 5 years of threatened retirements, years of playing junior GM, the same late career playoff performances and an official retirement and unretirement. If he then took to the national airwaves to denigrate the franchise. If he was then traded to the Jets, did all the same things there both on and off the field, including comments about and actions against his former team and propositions/sexting to female empoyees. If he then went to his former team's chief competitor and finished out his career there much like he did in MN:

If I watched all that from afar as a Packer fan with no emotional tie to Brett Favre, what would I think of him?

Should I think differently just because he DID play for my favorite team?

I can't answer the first, but I answer the second, "NO".

[Zool]

Here is a question I have asked myself many times, one that I don't have the answer for:

If BF had spent the bulk of his career playing on a team I cared little for, and basically duplicated his record setting performance for them, complete with his personal trials and tribulations. If he then ended his career for them with a private locker room, 5 years of threatened retirements, years of playing junior GM, the same late career playoff performances and an official retirement and unretirement. If he then took to the national airwaves to denigrate the franchise. If he was then traded to the Jets, did all the same things there both on and off the field, including comments about and actions against his former team and propositions/sexting to female empoyees. If he then went to his former team's chief competitor and finished out his career there much like he did in MN:

If I watched all that from afar as a Packer fan with no emotional tie to Brett Favre, what would I think of him?

Should I think differently just because he DID play for my favorite team?

I can't answer the first, but I answer the second, "NO".

What do you think of the way LeBron James treated Cleveland? A classless individual is just that, no matter where they play.

[Patler]

What do you think of the way LeBron James treated Cleveland? A classless individual is just that, no matter where they play.

Sure, but I find Favre to being lacking in class anyway. The Brett Favre situation goes well beyond how Lebron James acted toward Cleveland. I think I might see Favre as much lower than just classless.

[Upnorth]

What do you think of the way LeBron James treated Cleveland? A classless individual is just that, no matter where they play.

While Lebron acted crappy and childish I just don't care, and quite frankly was sick of it by day 3. I am certain that most viewers felt the same way about the BF situation. The great part about the Lebron situation is nobody cares anymore outside of Cleveland, and once BF is in the HOF and packers HOF nobody will care outside of the GB fans about his Favreness anymore.

[Upnorth]

Sure, but I find Favre to being lacking in class anyway. The Brett Favre situation goes well beyond how Lebron James acted toward Cleveland. I think I might see Favre as much lower than just classless.

I think the Cavalier fans would say the same about Lebron, its all perspective.

[ThunderDan]

Here is a question I have asked myself many times, one that I don't have the answer for:

If BF had spent the bulk of his career playing on a team I cared little for, and basically duplicated his record setting performance for them, complete with his personal trials and tribulations. If he then ended his career for them with a private locker room, 5 years of threatened retirements, years of playing junior GM, the same late career playoff performances and an official retirement and unretirement. If he then took to the national airwaves to denigrate the franchise. If he was then traded to the Jets, did all the same things there both on and off the field, including comments about and actions against his former team and propositions/sexting to female empoyees. If he then went to his former team's chief competitor and finished out his career there much like he did in MN:

If I watched all that from afar as a Packer fan with no emotional tie to Brett Favre, what would I think of him?

Should I think differently just because he DID play for my favorite team?

I can't answer the first, but I answer the second, "NO".

Great thought. I think that is the reason why I cannot stand Elway and E. Manning.

Both told the team that drafted them to pound sand/forced trades.

[Zool]

Sure, but I find Favre to being lacking in class anyway. The Brett Favre situation goes well beyond how Lebron James acted toward Cleveland. I think I might see Favre as much lower than just classless.

The Packers were dragged through months/years of shit because of him. I guess in thinking about it further, being a Packer fan is cause for a little more vitriol for ol' #4. I'd rather not see my team of choice in the news for anything other than what happens on the field.

[Patler]

I think the Cavalier fans would say the same about Lebron, its all perspective.

Lebron treated the franchise poorly concerning if he would or wouldn't leave, and said a few things about the franchise. But I'm not aware of anything that went on for more than the one off season, anything rising to the level of Favre's criticism of the franchise, or his continued actions to undermine the franchise after he left. I'm not aware of anything approaching Favre actions toward female employees.

[Patler]

The Packers were dragged through months/years of shit because of him. I guess in thinking about it further, being a Packer fan is cause for a little more vitriol for ol' #4. I'd rather not see my team of choice in the news for anything other than what happens on the field.

Good point, maybe I simply wouldn't care.

[Patler]

Great thought. I think that is the reason why I cannot stand Elway and E. Manning.

Both told the team that drafted them to pound sand/forced trades.

Ya, those two guys are not among my favorites either, for just that reason.

[Upnorth]

Lebron treated the franchise poorly concerning if he would or wouldn't leave, and said a few things about the franchise. But I'm not aware of anything that went on for more than the one off season, anything rising to the level of Favre's criticism of the franchise, or his continued actions to undermine the franchise after he left. I'm not aware of anything approaching Favre actions toward female employees.

And yet if you listen to Cavaliers fans there is still a high level of animosity towards him by some, much like the BF situation in GB. I am not saying Lebron acted as poorly as Favre (or vise versa) just saying that if you are passionate about something and someone attacks it you will react much stronger than a passive observer. I am certain many Cleveland fans would argue Lebron's actions are much worse than Favre's.
Most people don't really care anymore outside of the fans and media looking for an easy story.

[Patler]

And yet if you listen to Cavaliers fans there is still a high level of animosity towards him by some, much like the BF situation in GB. I am not saying Lebron acted as poorly as Favre (or vise versa) just saying that if you are passionate about something and someone attacks it you will react much stronger than a passive observer. I am certain many Cleveland fans would argue Lebron's actions are much worse than Favre's.
Most people don't really care anymore outside of the fans and media looking for an easy story.

Sure, but that's why I premised my questions by trying to put myself in the position of a non-fan, Favre being with a team I wasn't a fan of. I try to compare Favre to other situations, like Roethlisberger, for example. While Favre's action might have been less severe than Roethlisberger's with respect to women, Favre seems to have a long list of actions in a variety of categories, sort of like the various infamous WRs who have been aggravations to their teams. I do have opinions about Roethlisberger, Owens, Moss, etc. It is difficult for me to decide where Favre would fit on my list if he were not a Packer.

[Pugger]

Over at the Football's Future forum fans of other teams don't seem to understand why so many Packer fans have animosity towards Favre even to this day. They tell us to "get over it". I responded to them saying because they are not Packer fans they don't understand/care about this so MYOB.

[pbmax]

Cavalier fans were treated miserably by just about everyone over LeBron's pending FA. While you could accuse LeBron of not doing enough to tamp down speculation, the media and fans went nuts for two years about his pending FA. If he wore a non-Indians baseball cap, it was 3 days of 'does the cap tell us where LeBron wants to go'? Everyone thought he would leave. That added to the level of disappointment, it seemed like piling on most of the time.

I don't begrudge Favre throwing his weight around the few times he did it prior to 2008. Compared to other QB divas it was mild and not terribly public. You had to really be paying attention to the Moss FA thing to know he was involved enough to be disappointed and no one outside of us knew about Favre HQ in the Locker Room. When he spoke about FA under Sherman, he knew the cap was pretty tight so his expectations were limited. Thompson having gained space exacerbated the drought prior to Woodson and Pickett. Being excused from offseason workouts and parts of OTA are common among veterans.

It is only remarkable to me to the extent that they point to growing dissatisfaction between Favre and the club. I don't think anyone was prepared for that. So his post retirement behavior was both a surprise and disappointing. The problem is that we can't separate out the Packers blunders which certainly contributed to the extended drama.

[pbmax]

Over at the Football's Future forum fans of other teams don't seem to understand why so many Packer fans have animosity towards Favre even to this day. They tell us to "get over it". I responded to them saying because they are not Packer fans they don't understand/care about this so MYOB.

I think that is the best answer to Patler's question. If he played for another franchise, we would wonder why everyone's undies are still bundled.

[Patler]

Over at the Football's Future forum fans of other teams don't seem to understand why so many Packer fans have animosity towards Favre even to this day. They tell us to "get over it". I responded to them saying because they are not Packer fans they don't understand/care about this so MYOB.

I can understand the "get over it" part. But I wonder what their opinion is about Favre himself?
Great personal stats, but only took the team to one SB victory, so greatness tempered?.
Positive stats perhaps mitigated by that tremendous interceptions total?
A lecherous, dirty old fool, perhaps?

[mraynrand]

Cavalier fans were treated miserably by just about everyone over LeBron's pending FA. While you could accuse LeBron of not doing enough to tamp down speculation, the media and fans went nuts for two years about his pending FA. If he wore a non-Indians baseball cap, it was 3 days of 'does the cap tell us where LeBron wants to go'? Everyone thought he would leave. That added to the level of disappointment, it seemed like piling on most of the time.

Intriguingly, LeBron pulled the same injury stunt as Favre did to get out of New York. The bottom line for LeBron is that he just wanted to get out of Cleveland and go somewhere he could win. The Cavs simply wouldn't pull the trigger on a deal to win a championship (wouldn't sign Garnett and didn't sign Ben Wallace when he still had something in the tank). LeBron saw that the same way Favre looked at not signing Moss - in the case of LeBron, he was right, in the case of Favre we have the proof of a Superbowl victory and a hell of a lot of wins to show he was wrong. I hate the inmates running the asylum modern NBA and LeBron, basically faked injury and quit to make certain he wouldn't be kept in Cleveland, just like Favre with the Jets. In LeBron's favor, he didn't make it a goal to stick it to Cleveland, but you can't really evaluate that because the Cavs essentially were finished after he left (there wasn't anyone left to stick it to, except maybe Anderson Varejao, and hurting him is like kicking a puppy). That's in contrast to the Packers who were hurt short term by the Favre exit, but ultimately saved by an excellent front office, GM, and coach that kept their heads and focused on the long view.

[pbmax]

Intriguingly, LeBron pulled the same injury stunt as Favre did to get out of New York. The bottom line for LeBron is that he just wanted to get out of Cleveland and go somewhere he could win. The Cavs simply wouldn't pull the trigger on a deal to win a championship (wouldn't sign Garnett and didn't sign Ben Wallace when he still had something in the tank). LeBron saw that the same way Favre looked at not signing Moss - in the case of LeBron, he was right, in the case of Favre we have the proof of a Superbowl victory and a hell of a lot of wins to show he was wrong. I hate the inmates running the asylum modern NBA and LeBron, basically faked injury and quit to make certain he wouldn't be kept in Cleveland, just like Favre with the Jets. In LeBron's favor, he didn't make it a goal to stick it to Cleveland, but you can't really evaluate that because the Cavs essentially were finished after he left (there wasn't anyone left to stick it to, except maybe Anderson Varejao, and hurting him is like kicking a puppy). That's in contrast to the Packers who were hurt short term by the Favre exit, but ultimately saved by an excellent front office, GM, and coach that kept their heads and focused on the long view.

Don't remember the injury thing playing a factor. Wasn't he a Free Agent?

Cavs also made blunders in who they chose to sign. Reports were that they could have had Amare Stoudamire but ended up with Antawn Jamison I think. Not sure if issue was trade, salary or desire of Amare to live anywhere but NE Ohio. I have also heard that James tried to get other FAs to sign with the Cavs and in basketball you would think that would be attractive but he had virtually no takers. Neither Bosh nor Wade wanted to be in Cleveland.

[mraynrand]

Don't remember the injury thing playing a factor. Wasn't he a Free Agent?

Yes, but it was a way of making crystal clear that he didn't want to be in Cleveland, no matter what offer(s) were on the table.


Cavs also made blunders in who they chose to sign. Reports were that they could have had Amare Stoudamire but ended up with Antawn Jamison I think. Not sure if issue was trade, salary or desire of Amare to live anywhere but NE Ohio. I have also heard that James tried to get other FAs to sign with the Cavs and in basketball you would think that would be attractive but he had virtually no takers. Neither Bosh nor Wade wanted to be in Cleveland.

I guess you're right there. I didn't follow those FA rumors that closely. Who the hell wants to be in Cleveland?

[Carolina_Packer]

Interesting quote from the Favre presser.

Favre: "I think last year and the year before I was tired and it took awhile but I came back. Something told me this time not to come back. It took awhile once again. Once again, I wondered if it was the right decision. But I think in my situation, and I had this conversation with Mike and Ted, that it's a unique situation in that at 17 years I had one of the better years in my career, the team had a great year, everything seems to be going great, the team wants me back, I still can play, for the most part everyone would think I would be back, would want me back. That's a unique situation going into an 18th season. There's no guarantees next year, personally and as a team, and I'm well aware of that. It's a tough business and last year and the year before I questioned whether or not I should come back because I didn't play at a high enough level. Other people questioned that. I really didn't question my commitment. I just wondered, 'Could I not play anymore?' I know I can play. But this year, and this is not the first year but it really to me and Deanna was more noticeable, the stress part of it. It's demanding. It always has been, but I think as I've gotten older I'm much more aware of that. I'm much more aware of how hard it is to win in this league and to play at a high level. I'm not up to the challenge anymore. I can play, but I'm not up to the challenge. You can't just show up and play for three hours on Sunday. If you could, there'd be a lot more people doing it and they'd be doing it for a lot longer. I have way too much pride, I expect a lot out of myself, and if I cannot do those things 100 percent, then I can't play."

From BF's own words in March MM & TT want him back as the starting QB in 2008.

Interesting to read again. I see humility and understanding here from what he's saying. So, how did he get to these kinds of big picture thoughts in March 2008 all the way to scorched cheese in July/August 2008? Was it the fact that they wouldn't just let him waltz back in and have his job back? "Hey, you said I could still play and you wanted me back!" Or, was he mad that TT wouldn't give him his outright release? If he was really mad about either thing, then he wasn't thinking straight at that point, or was getting some bad advice in his ear. My favorite (not) at the time was all the people associated with the Favre camp going to the media saying that he felt under-appreciated. What horse hockey all that business was. Did he sound bitter in that piece that Thunder Dan transcribed? Not one bit. What happened in the 5 months that followed to make him behave like he did? That's what I'll always wonder about that whole situation.

[Smeefers]

And yet if you listen to Cavaliers fans there is still a high level of animosity towards him by some, much like the BF situation in GB. I am not saying Lebron acted as poorly as Favre (or vise versa) just saying that if you are passionate about something and someone attacks it you will react much stronger than a passive observer. I am certain many Cleveland fans would argue Lebron's actions are much worse than Favre's.
Most people don't really care anymore outside of the fans and media looking for an easy story.

I brought the Brett Favre thing up with my family over the long weekend. Every one of them still doesn't like them. They just don't have as long of memories as you rats. They barely even remember the Jets. All their animosity is focused on the Vikings gig. Then I started bringing stuff up. Wishing the bears good luck. Giving pointers to the lions. Jen Sturger. The list went on. The more I talked, the more they went "ohh yeah" but there wasn't the anger that there used to be. Now it's just sadness, because when we talk about super bowl 96, we have to talk about him leaving. All those awesome years are still pretty much off limits. Needless to say, we didn't stay on topic long.

[swede]

I brought the Brett Favre thing up with my family over the long weekend. Every one of them still doesn't like them. They just don't have as long of memories as you rats. They barely even remember the Jets. All their animosity is focused on the Vikings gig. Then I started bringing stuff up. Wishing the bears good luck. Giving pointers to the lions. Jen Sturger. The list went on. The more I talked, the more they went "ohh yeah" but there wasn't the anger that there used to be. Now it's just sadness, because when we talk about super bowl 96, we have to talk about him leaving. All those awesome years are still pretty much off limits. Needless to say, we didn't stay on topic long.

A good memory is an exquisite firing of neurons along a familiar, delightful path. Of course Favre gave us good memories. Favre to Rison...off goes the helmet with arms raised high...it's very good.

It does get tiresome dragging along a bag of anger, though...definitely not worth the effort. What can you say? He is a HOF quarterback and a giant douche at the same time. Maybe I should cut him some slack because he lost his dad at a time when he really could have used Irv's guidance.

For a while I was getting annoyed with the resurgence of this thread. Now I see it as a kind of performance art. Favre is a real person, but he is also a shared cultural icon. We are all throwing paint against the canvas, some of us with honoring words, some of us with hurt feelings, and some of us with photo-shopped Crocs.

[RashanGary]

I brought the Brett Favre thing up with my family over the long weekend. Every one of them still doesn't like them. They just don't have as long of memories as you rats. They barely even remember the Jets. All their animosity is focused on the Vikings gig. Then I started bringing stuff up. Wishing the bears good luck. Giving pointers to the lions. Jen Sturger. The list went on. The more I talked, the more they went "ohh yeah" but there wasn't the anger that there used to be. Now it's just sadness, because when we talk about super bowl 96, we have to talk about him leaving. All those awesome years are still pretty much off limits. Needless to say, we didn't stay on topic long.

Smeefers, a guy from a true GB family. I'd say this is probably spot on, in sentiment around here. Favre isn't hated like he once was, not even close by most. It's more of an eerie silence.

[George Cumby]

Smeefers, a guy from a true GB family. I'd say this is probably spot on, in sentiment around here. Favre isn't hated like he once was, not even close by most. It's more of an eerie silence.

I think most are just weary of the whole thing.

Patler brings up a great point. What if I were ambivalent about the Pack? Someone else brought up the LeBron deal. I care not a whit about the NBA or Cleveland but I know enough to know that LeBron is lame and i probably wouldn't cross the street to piss on him if he were on fire.

So where does that leave me with Favre?

Epiphany: I don't really care.

[RashanGary]

I'd love to give Favre the ultimate insult (indifference) but I can't really. I still have a hard time thinking of the good times as well as I should because I still don't like him being in the picture.

It will go away. I'm divorced, her and I get along good, love each other in some weird divorced sort of way and remember the good more than the bad (I can only really speak for me I guess, but she's really supportive and she's a friend, so I think I speak for both.)

They don't have kids, but they have a mutual money baby. Fuck it, life's too short.

For me, Ted would be a hard one to be friends with. He comes off very aloof, like he doesn't give a fuck about you. 10 years, married, if my ex came off like she didn't give a fuck about me, I think I'd probably be resentful. Just the idea, 10 years and you literally don't care. That would be a pretty sick feeling. This isn't marriage, but look at it, Favre had a deep, personal connection to football and the Packers. It's similar IMO. His whole life probably feels like it was spinning, like he didn't know what was next, like he doesn't know what to do, doesn't have a plan. That kind of frustrates me with Bus Cook, just because I think the agent should be aware of these emotional pit-falls and help a player out, not fuel an overly emotional time. Cook never seemed to talk Favre out of anything, never seemed to suggest Favre show up, just go through the motions so it wouldn't get ugly. It was the opposite, like Cook wanted a fight, like he wanted to pit Favre against the Packers and vice versa. Favre, I get, he's emotional. Cook, I don't. He should be looking objectively, realizing it's not worth sitting out of the offseason, just because Favre wasn't certain. I always thought the advice, the sound advice, the advice his dad would have given, was to go to work until you know you don't want to or can't. The Packers are a great team, a great place. The NFL keeps moving. The Packers keep moving. Hang on as long as you can or until you know you don't want to. That would have been the good advice, and that's not even hindsight. All ex-NFL players on NFL network say that to players near the end. Hang on. It never comes back.

[woodbuck27]

I'd love to give Favre the ultimate insult (indifference) but I can't really. I still have a hard time thinking of the good times as well as I should because I still don't like him being in the picture.

It will go away. I'm divorced, her and I get along good, love each other in some weird divorced sort of way and remember the good more than the bad (I can only really speak for me I guess, but she's really supportive and she's a friend, so I think I speak for both.)

They don't have kids, but they have a mutual money baby. Fuck it, life's too short.

For me, Ted would be a hard one to be friends with. He comes off very aloof, like he doesn't give a fuck about you. 10 years, married, if my ex came off like she didn't give a fuck about me, I think I'd probably be resentful. Just the idea, 10 years and you literally don't care. That would be a pretty sick feeling. This isn't marriage, but look at it, Favre had a deep, personal connection to football and the Packers. It's similar IMO. His whole life probably feels like it was spinning, like he didn't know what was next, like he doesn't know what to do, doesn't have a plan. That kind of frustrates me with Bus Cook, just because I think the agent should be aware of these emotional pit-falls and help a player out, not fuel an overly emotional time. Cook never seemed to talk Favre out of anything, never seemed to suggest Favre show up, just go through the motions so it wouldn't get ugly. It was the opposite, like Cook wanted a fight, like he wanted to pit Favre against the Packers and vice versa. Favre, I get, he's emotional. Cook, I don't. He should be looking objectively, realizing it's not worth sitting out of the offseason, just because Favre wasn't certain. I always thought the advice, the sound advice, the advice his dad would have given, was to go to work until you know you don't want to or can't. The Packers are a great team, a great place. The NFL keeps moving. The Packers keep moving. Hang on as long as you can or until you know you don't want to. That would have been the good advice, and that's not even hindsight. All ex-NFL players on NFL network say that to players near the end. Hang on. It never comes back.

JH this is for 'YOU' and anyone else with the strength and courage to read it :-):

This will be in 2 parts.

This is written as some attempt for a reconciliation here at Packerrats and not to war. To act as mature and sane adults and try harder to find some better PEACE on the Brett Favre front.

Please don't bring this down on our benefactor /owner...Mad. Please be strong and NOT go there or cause Mad grief. Let's try to work through this. Ultimately then this thread will have succeeded...as I believe MOOB DEEP would have wished for.

JH... Your digging in to understand the whole Favre question. I've been right there too. I was truly upset with Brett Favre. I got over 'myself'. I got there with some reality therapy. I got there by addressing Favre the human being in my humanness.

I don't know if this helps but I'll shoot it anyway. This isn't in anyway meant to add any insult to one soul here. If you read it you do so at your own risk. Actually it's simply very honest. Simply me allowing y'all to see more of me and this issue. My 'only' focus is too persuade.

I'm primarily addressing this to JH in an open forum format; so anyone here might see things from some small different, yet all in all positive Favre and GREEN BAY PACKER perspective. That in terms of some real value and history. Again... it's meant to persude NOT at all to assault anyone's alternate stance.

JH... If you go right back to the beginning of Favre's retirement speech in what? early March 2008 and follow it all from there. Too when 'RETIREMENT' turned to desiring to play again (include what he said he told MM and any real retirement. His reaction to finally being or not retired when TT visited him at his home in Mississippi. Specifically informing TT that he might want to play again as TT was leaving Favre's home after that visit. Maybe? read his subsequent explanations of it all. Do so with a clear and open mind. I know you have the ability to do so. It's really clear what happened....in terms of Brett Favre's mental process. That process that led from how he felt after that 2007 season ended. To his final stand to secure from TT his right to play again in early August 2008. That after MM had promised him on the phone a competition for the NO.1 QB spot. That turning to something far less than a fair competition when he actually arrived for TC. Thus Favre's 'only' avenues to again ask to be released or traded and that after he already learned from MM that a trade wasn't going to be made. The Green Bay Packers were damn intent on keeping Brett Favre retired. Therein lies the clear intent to control his life. Therein lies the clear intent to disrespect Brett Favre. it's that that may have caused the emotions in Favre to get out of hand. Who really can say as no one really knows about the one-one stuff between Favre and TT and Favre and MM and Favre and TT and MM.

Some say we have to wait for 'the book'. Nonsense. No book is going to cover the TRUTH on either side. All such would do is keep the CRAP we are trying again to sort out here as fresh as ever for some Packer fans. I am looking around at Packer Nations reaction to this whole controversy and I can report that there are more fans that support my side than any that hold distain for Favre. I'll also predict that the distainers will drop by the wayside rather rapidly as the day comes for Favre's induction into the NFL HOF. Whichever comes first that or the Green bay Packers acknowlegeing Brett Favre. Whichever comes first will be the biggest celebration. That's why I want the first to be at Lambeau Field.

Part 2 in an other post or continuation.

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Part 2 Of Post to JH:

The real story going back to late Winter-Spring 2008 to August 2008 and the Packers trading Favre:

There isn't anything even marginally unordinary about the whole thing JH. I'll try to explain it from my own personal experience and athletics and maybe you can relate to this similarly.

I played sports competitively into my 40's. I can re-call as I got on in age how hard it was to get back too top shape. Too really feel that old zip again. As I aged I could feel that fire recede in my belly. It was really getting out to the first practises; seeing the familiar faces that got the blood really boiling again. It was knowing that my teammates were happy to have me back. That cemented a final desire to play my best to help my team do it's very best.

I re-call seeing a team of old friends and acquaintances disband one season after we just failed to win an Eastern Canada Championship Final. I was picked up by a solidly competitive team the next year. I played hard for that team; and they made me feel welcome, but it wasn't the same. I had no terrific desire left in my heart. In rather and simply went through the motions. I played my very best 'only' in spurts. All I had left was natural ability but not 'the fire' or desire never to loose. I took everything too much in stride.

There had to be some of that going on inside of Brett Favre.

The other thing that some here overlook. Brett Favre isn't a really bad man. Brett Favre is a well liked individual and fun to be around. I would love to spend an afternoon with Brett Favre doing whatever he chose for us to do. I'd love to get him on a pool table with a few brews. I'd try to dust his ass. I know I would have a hoot with Brett Favre and have him in stitches. If he got too serious I'd calm him down because I have that style of personality.

What was Favre as a Green Bay Packer, JH?

He was a leader on the field and in the locker room. Just having him there was huge for his teammates. You don't have to lead a thirsty horse to water. Well in 2008 it was a lot more of that.

His fire was burning out. Not burnt out >>>burning out, JH.

It was also what we saw during his last 5-6 years. He was not so much into the NFL and more and more money. That man was very well off. His endorsements alone made him very rich. That man more than once had his contract re-structured to help the Packers acquire or maintain good talent. He was the ultimate team player and very well liked by teammates. He was relaxed and fun to be around. He didn't nor had to suck up to anyone. He didn't need any praise. He had to answer 'the call of one bell'... his own.

JH...For most of his days in Green Bay Brett Favre was the preeminent NFL player; the most ICONIC of all NFL players. After an amazing 2007 season. A season in which he gave his all to his team's effort. Saw and felt it go to zero and no Super Bowl again. How much did that take out of Bret Favre!? How much did he feel he let his teammates and MM and TT down at that ending?

That had to be brutal on a man with his emotions. That had to leave his tank startlingly empty.

There is something else JH.

If you read all the reports and things that Favre says and actually desiring to return to the Packers No. 1 QB job. He clearly says he has mixed emotions there as he had expressed feelings for the inevitability of that return and having to see Aaron Rodgers on the sidelines again. Couple that with the news from MM and full on having to know that TT and MM had moved onto Aaron Rodgers. Favre desiring to play football again as all he knew for so long at that time of year. The NFL HO adding pressure for the Packers to make more effort to allow Brett Favre to pay and riding the pine after his 2007 season being ridiculous.

It all becomes so simple to understand.

This conspiracy theory thing some here desire to drum up. That's great entertainment. I love fiction JH.

What it got down too, was the fact that he could play at a high level again and that certainly demonstrated by more than doubling the New York Jets number in the 'W' column in 2008.The fact he led the Minnesota Vikings too 13 wins in the 2009 season. Those facts of Favre and capable still then cannot be taken away.

Some of Packer Nation actually feel that to mend it all. That can only arrive after an apology. That he owes TT and the Packer fans and organization some form of public apology. I say such is within Favre if that's actually deserved for certain parties. I believe if you error and such error hurt someone cruelly without proper justification. or the insult didn't fit. Then an apology shouldn't be too hard too get out and with conviction. You never apologize unless you feel the pain yourself hurting another and do so well.

What does Favre have to apologize for JH?:

For wanting to be a Professional athlete and compete on some NFL team to go to another Super Bowl? The Green Bay Packers couldn't cover all the bases by simply ensuring a Brett Favre retirement. We'll never really 'in absolute TRUTH' and from a standpoint of 'BEST UNDERSTANDING' get to the bottom of it all. I do feel this and all that retirement talk in 2008. That Favre retirement was as final or real; was about as likely in 2008. As 'my retirement from living', any time soon.

After his 2007 season Brett Favre simply had to try again. Too many positives about that season (2007) to keep that man away from playing in the NFL in 2008.

The Packers didn't as one notable Packerrat informs us...'kick Bret Favre to the curb' to promote Aaron Rodgers. The Green Bay Packers made a sound business decision. A decision for the future of the Green bay Packers by electing to go with Aaron Rodgers; and specifically that when Brett Favre took too long to positively declare a positive commitment (by TT's and MM 's definition) for the 2008 season.

Whatever happened in terms of anything Brett Favre after his trade to the Jets is entirely Brett Favre's business, and FREEDOM OF RIGHTS. I do certainly believe that he was well over any bad feelings, if he ever really had any for TT and/or MM, by the end of the 2008 season. He clearly said then that both sides made errors leading up to his trade to the NY Jets but that he felt that both sides were over it ... that he and the Green Bay Packers had simply and correctly moved forward. He clearly (again) stated this in a post game interview after the final Jets game Vs Miami (and a loss) in the 2008 season.

All that garbage smut crap and Favre doing this or that in private after he was traded to the Green Bay Packers. 'Only' feeds the fire for those Packer fans that elect to carry some silly grudge against a man that 'only' gave hugely to them in his time in Green Bay. I don't find this attitude really strange either. Why? That stuff or (to other team fans) rather odd characteristic of Green Bay Packer fans is sorta normal. It's strange behaviour but on the other hand typical of some Packer fans going back in the history of Green Bay Packer Legends... 'Curly' Lambeau , and even Vince Lombardi. Today those Packer fans if existing back in the 'witch hunt days' might try to burn Favre at the stake if he showed his face in Green bay. It's really almost funny to me that such could even be imagined.

Some Packer fans can 'only' love you for what you gave that was really positive 'yesterday'. If the 'today' stuff doesn't really excite/totally agree with them >>> your garbage >>> trashed !

The thing is I do not understand in such people. That's a big vice versa for them and how they try to classify, 'or pigeon hole me' here at Packerrats. That at least makes us even. Whatever floats their boat is overall their way...never going to be mine. As long as we can live with that simple fact of life here at Packerrats it'll be OK.

JH ..There's a certain TRUTH I live with as a dedicated die hard Green Bay Packer fan.

Inspite of any animosity these Favre disclaimers need to have to drum up. Inspite of their ire that I could possibly challenge their rightness. We will somehow I expect co-exist here at our Packer home. I'm truly a proud member of Packerrats . All that horrendous spite for Brett Favre is simply, a too bad so sad... a 'so what' to me. Part of my Packer fan awareness is to truly remain loyal. Too pay some decency in respect for my Green Bay Packer star players. After all as Packer fan they gave me much. They tried their best and often gave so much too/for me to enjoy.

That's generally as I am...loyal to a good cause. With the accent on the word 'good'. Sometimes I fight fire with fire here. I've always been in my own best way a warrior.

It's too easy for me to remain loyal to Favre. Favre is a Green Bay Packer 'TRUE LEGEND'. His status as a Green Bay Packer has few 'if any' contenders. His superior status as an NFL player places him in a rather prestigious and exclusive number of players.

Favre is one man 'and name', that stands alone and at or near the top of all GREAT NFL players; certainly an enduring ICON among all Green Bay Packer players in Green bay Packer history.

He's certainly not Pete Rose. Even Pete Rose may one day be forgiven.

GO PACK GO !

[RashanGary]

I think Favre over-reacted. Favre had the option of retiring or coming back to GB and forcing them to honor the contract. He didn't get to make the choice whether he started in the NFL again. He signed a contract saying he would get paid money for his services. Nobody guaranteed him a starting job. I'm fine with him leaving to the Jets, doing his best to get out. I think it's obvious he thought the Packers made a mistake, thought he was the better player, and was hurt by them choosing Aaron (I know he cried in one interview, saying, "they did this for Aaron.") I would warm up to him if he talked about how much that bothered him and talked about how that fueled his anger to try to prove the Packers wrong, to go to the Lions to give them info, etc. . . Aaron talks all the time about how he felt slighted through his career and how it fuels him to prove those people wrong. People can relate to not feeling worthy, to feeling rejected. But say it. He says none of it bothers him, but it obviously does. And honestly, if Favre really is so apathetic that having the Packers choose AR over him doesn't affect him. . . . If he's that numb, I don't think people do like him very much, and we all have that right. I know I don't like people who don't give a shit about anything. I like people more who do care, who do feel pain. He's sort of painting himself in a corner as a guy who doesn't care, who thinks he's so great, nothing can get to him. I don't know, I'd rather see someone affected by a divorce than just say, "eh, that's over, time to move on." People don't like Jay Cutler for the same reason. He makes a mistake where most people would be really disappointed, probably hit themselves in the helmet, and he just walks off like, "eh, the WR ran the wrong route." Apathy disgusts people, by and large.

When Favre kept saying in the Gretta interview that he just wanted to play football, I don't think it was true. I think he wanted to play with Green Bay. When he says he doesn't care that they made that call, and just wanted out, I think it's not true. He does care. Just show yourself, Favre. People will like you for it. He's doing this to himself. He's too proud to admit he's hurt. Apathy begets apathy as much as love begets love. Shit Favre, stop acting apathetic. Show you're hurt and people will love you again. If he doesn't care at all about how the fans feel about him, then don't. But not caring will beget not caring and it will go down that, "indifferent" path. Like I said, being indifferent is the ultimate insult, like you're worthless, I don't care. Him being indifferent toward the fans, like he doesn't care, just makes him hard to love. It's fake though. Favre is not indifferent. He cares. I know he does.

I don't think he needs to apologize. I just think he needs to talk and be human again. Be the guy who made mistakes, be the guy who felt rejected. Just be yourself. Nobody falls in love with brick walls. If all you put up is a brick wall, and then put guns on it to fortify it, obviously all people are going to view you as is a threat and/or and unlovable brick wall. Favre has a big shield up. He had a different kind of relationship with GB, an open one. People loved him.

Fixing the Favre mess means people loving Favre again. Loving Favre again means seeing him again. If he wants it the way it was "people loving him, naming their kids after him." he's going to have to show himself to people.

Nobody would have loved FAvre the way they did if he didn't bring so much of himself out in public. That mess could have never gotten so ugly if he wasn't so loved by Green Bay. But he was. Now, if he wants to have that back, he's going to have to be public with how he feels again. He didn't have a player/team relationship with Green Bay. He had a million little kids named Brett walking around a small wisconsin town. He had basements where the centerpiece was him succeeding. NOt a picture of him with a helmet on, making a play. It's a picture, of him, with his helmet off, experiencing joy. Favre was more of an emotional connection than it was a football one. If it's ever going to get back, it has to be through the hearts, not through rational explaining of events. He has to talk. He has to be lovable Brett again. He has to let the walls down.

If he doesn't want that special GB relationship back, then keep the walls up. But this isn't about proving points, right or wrong. This is about how people feel about him in their hearts, and that comes from really experiencing his moments. He hasn't shared that. This is one part of his life he hasn't shared his heart on. He's shared the facts, argued half-truths, but he hasn't shared his heart.

[pbmax]

Apropos of nothing except retired players, can I ask why are the Jets and Browns engaging in public dances with their ex stars?

Jim Brown just got a job that seems like the football equivalent to featherbedding and as he was talking about it, continued to take swipes at the previous administration for freezing him out.

And the Jets are having a back and forth with Joe Namath about Sanchez/Tebow. Mostly though, its Namath going forth to bloviate.

Now I love Jim Brown as a football player as much as anyone can, not having seen him play live at any time in his career. But what on earth do you have to gain by engaging with these guys with roles on the team?

I know why radio shows have them on, because the name alone moves the meter. But why does anyone take what they say seriously at this point?

[Cleft Crusty]

Now I love Jim Brown as a football player as much as anyone can, not having seen him play live at any time in his career. But what on earth do you have to gain by engaging with these guys with roles on the team? But why does anyone take what they say seriously at this point?

you should listen to a guy who, according to NFL film clips, was only tackled three times his entire career.

[RashanGary]

My big point is the Favre stuff has very little to do with how he played football. It's how people feel about him. And Favre's whole career, IMO, the way he was covered, was greatly skewed by how much he was loved and admired (he captured the hearts of fans more than any player I remember.)

Watch a man-child playing football and you can't help but fall in love with the excitement/thrill. It's like bringing your 8 year old to Disneyland, it's all about that kid's experience. But put that same man-child into interpersonal conflict, watch him stomp his feet and attempt to inflict revenge on the culprit who pushed him beyond his ability to cope and you end up going a way kind of hating the guy. Little kids are cute. We get that they can't handle everything like adults, so it's kinda funny when they throw fits. You sooth them. Adults, we don't think they need to be soothed like a child. They are, in fact, adults, just like the rest of us. They should be able to handle it. When they throw a fit and say, "I hate you" it's not the same as when a kid does it. It's coming from an adult, you don't associate them with being incapable of coping otherwise.

Favre is an emotional midget, incapable of coping with adult problems. It's not the end of the world, no reason to hate him, but it becomes very easy to hate him when you don't realize how incapable he is of moving on without being soothed. Favre can't sooth himself and needs constant admiration/attention. It's sad, but if you look at him like a little kid, I think it's a lot easier to accept him. It's the same reason we loved him on the field. We can accept him as he is off if it, right? I'm sure he doesn't want to be angry and incapable of moving on. I'm sure it sucks for him. I'm sure it sucks that most people can't understand him. I'm sure it's a lonely place when everyone else is one way, and he's another. I think you can either love him or pity him. Hate seems like a total waste.

[Carolina_Packer]

My big point is the Favre stuff has very little to do with how he played football. It's how people feel about him. And Favre's whole career, IMO, the way he was covered, was greatly skewed by how much he was loved and admired (he captured the hearts of fans more than any player I remember.)

Watch a man-child playing football and you can't help but fall in love with the excitement/thrill. It's like bringing your 8 year old to Disneyland, it's all about that kid's experience. But put that same man-child into interpersonal conflict, watch him stomp his feet and attempt to inflict revenge on the culprit who pushed him beyond his ability to cope and you end up going a way kind of hating the guy. Little kids are cute. We get that they can't handle everything like adults, so it's kinda funny when they throw fits. You sooth them. Adults, we don't think they need to be soothed like a child. They are, in fact, adults, just like the rest of us. They should be able to handle it. When they throw a fit and say, "I hate you" it's not the same as when a kid does it. It's coming from an adult, you don't associate them with being incapable of coping otherwise.

Favre is an emotional midget, incapable of coping with adult problems. It's not the end of the world, no reason to hate him, but it becomes very easy to hate him when you don't realize how incapable he is of moving on without being soothed. Favre can't sooth himself and needs constant admiration/attention. It's sad, but if you look at him like a little kid, I think it's a lot easier to accept him. It's the same reason we loved him on the field. We can accept him as he is off if it, right? I'm sure he doesn't want to be angry and incapable of moving on. I'm sure it sucks for him. I'm sure it sucks that most people can't understand him. I'm sure it's a lonely place when everyone else is one way, and he's another. I think you can either love him or pity him. Hate seems like a total waste.

I can't believe how greatly he mis-read the situation in July/August 2008 when he decided to file his reinstatement papers with the NFL. Did he really think that Green Bay was going to just let him back in, give him his old starters job back and send Aaron to the bench? At one point in the off-season of 2008 the front office might have from the sounds of it. At a certain point, they needed to make their plan and move on.

He could have just told the team, there's a chance I might retire, but I want to leave my options open. Why don't we give this an entire off-season and when training camp comes, see how I feel about playing again. Then you don't have this fake retirement, which ended up causing a show down when he asked for reinstatement. He shouldn't have been so sure that he would be welcomed back as the starter. That was a severe miscalculation on his part.

I don't think the Packers owed him the starters job back just because he decided it was time to come back and play. I won't go as far as to say that's holding the team hostage, but it's hard to depend on and make your plans. He clearly didn't see that he was putting the team in a tough spot by coming back at that point.

From Wikipedia...Favre formally filed for reinstatement with the NFL on July 29, 2008, and his petition was granted by Commissioner Goodell, effective August 4, 2008.[77] Favre then flew to Green Bay to report to Packers training camp. After a lengthy meeting with head coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson, however, both sides agreed it was time for Favre and the organization to part ways.[78] McCarthy sensed Favre was not in "the right mind-set" to resume playing for the Packers, while Favre felt that his relationship with Packer management had deteriorated to the point that a return to the team would be untenable.[78]

Did the deterioration have to do with him not being granted his unconditional release? Please! Which GM is going to do that? I know that Indy did that with Peyton, but he was no longer under contract and was coming off an injury season. If Favre was going to be traded, I sometimes wonder if they considered Minnesota, provided they could get a lot of compensation back, ala Carson Palmer to the Raiders.

Did the deterioration have to do with not being given his starter's job back as soon as he decided he wanted to come back for sure? I think the team had just had it with his indecision and while Favre was the more ready QB at the time of the parting, he was also the bigger risk because of his age and how unsure he was about playing.

I just don't get this whole deterioration of his relationship with management thing. He seemed OK with them when he was retiring in March. I'm sorry that it ended so ugly, but I'm glad someone had the guts to make a plan for the future and stick with it, despite one aging superstar thinking he could just waltz back in and have his starter's job back, and then getting his ego bruised.

Anyway, I really hope A-Rod's efforts to help mend the fences with Brett will lead to a reconciliation with the team and a proper ceremony in due time.

[LEWCWA]

Love him, hate him you guys sure can't get enough!

[Smidgeon]

The JSO is occasionally posting old articles about key moments in Packers history, and the following quote from today's article I found especially ironic:

"I wasn't terribly concerned about quarterback, but [acquiring Favre] gave us a chance to solidify the position," Holmgren said. "If Don is healthy, we have two guys who have won games and played well. Now I've got a young guy I can teach the offense to. Don Majkowski is the starting quarterback. I don't think a guy loses his job because of an injury."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/212249761.html

[hoosier]

The Majik Mullet didn't lose his job because of injury, he lost it because his oft-injured shoulder reduced him to a noodle arm.

[woodbuck27]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Don_Majkowski_BrettFavre-Edit.JPG/440px-Don_Majkowski_BrettFavre-Edit.JPG

Don "Magic Man" Majkowski greeting Brett Favre before a Packers game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Majkowski#Indianapolis_Colts

On a play on September 20, 1992 against the Cincinnati Bengals, Majkowski tore a ligament in his ankle. He was replaced after the play by Brett Favre, who completed the game. Favre went on to start in every consecutive Packers game through the 2007 season.

Indianapolis Colts (1993-1994)

Majkowski left Green Bay after the 1992 season. He signed with the Indianapolis Colts as a backup for two seasons.

Detroit Lions (1995-1996)

Don Majkowski finished his football career for the 1995 and 1996 Detroit Lions as backup quarterback to starter Scott Mitchell. In his final season Majkowski faced Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers on November 3, 1996 completing 15 of 32 passes for 153 yards, 1 TD and no interceptions in a 28-10 Lions loss. He was also sacked 5 times.

Majkowski's final start was played in Detroit in a win against the Seattle Seahawks. He completed 18 of 23 passes (78% completion percentage) for 157 yards, 1 TD and an interception for a passer rating of 91.5. The Lions won the game 17-16 and improved their record to 5 wins and 6 losses.

However, this was the last win for the Lions as they finished the 1996 season with a 5-11 won-loss record as Scott Mitchell started all five games.

GO PACK GO !

[swede]

Majkowski had real skill, but that ankle injury was killer. The guy still can't walk.

[Fritz]

He seemed to be one of those guys who had some good skills, though not great skills, but was a damn good leader and kind of inspiring to watch. I liked him, but I did recognize that he did not have a rocket arm.

Still, I watched him in the old Pontiac Silverdome beat the Lions on the last play of the game on a pass to...I'm not sure who. The Pack was down around the ten yard line, time running out. I still believe Majik was targeting an underneath receiver, maybe a tight end, but the pass was overthrown, and ended up looking like a pinpoint bullet shot to the wide receiver who caught it for the winning TD.

[Fritz]

Apropos of nothing except retired players, can I ask why are the Jets and Browns engaging in public dances with their ex stars?

Jim Brown just got a job that seems like the football equivalent to featherbedding and as he was talking about it, continued to take swipes at the previous administration for freezing him out.

And the Jets are having a back and forth with Joe Namath about Sanchez/Tebow. Mostly though, its Namath going forth to bloviate.

Now I love Jim Brown as a football player as much as anyone can, not having seen him play live at any time in his career. But what on earth do you have to gain by engaging with these guys with roles on the team?

I know why radio shows have them on, because the name alone moves the meter. But why does anyone take what they say seriously at this point?


These guys are icons, PB. You know that. You employ them with your organization to associate your current "brand" with the old, fond memories of the organization's iconic players. That's pretty straightforward, I think.

It's just that you've got to live with the baggage of Jim Brown going bitter on the old regime and Joe Namath showing up drunk. You hope people will ignore or excuse all that and just associate them with their old brilliance. Not too different than what the Pack will do with Favre. You hope, when the fans see him, they remember touchdown passes and helmet-pumps and not penis pics and sexts.

[gbgary]

majik had everything except the cannon arm. cool in the pocket, smooth moves, smart, fast, very good arm, lots of heart. injuries ruined him...rotator cuff, ankle.

[Bossman641]

majik had everything except the cannon arm. cool in the pocket, smooth moves, smart, fast, very good arm, lots of heart. injuries ruined him...rotator cuff, ankle.

A killer mullet

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1491671252/don_majkowski.jpg

[pbmax]

A killer mullet

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1491671252/don_majkowski.jpg

I know a lot of women who were completely in love with Don and could barely be bothered to look at Favre. That mullet was Majik.

[RashanGary]

Favre's viener would have looked at least 20% bigger if he had Majik's hands.

[RashanGary]

The first football book I read was a book about the Majik to Sharpe and Montana to Rice connections. I used to watch the Lindy Infante show. I was 8, my sister 9. I remember she had the gull to fight with me over the TV. I wanted the Packer game, she the carebears. I was Majik one year for halloween. Those Packers (Majik, Sharpe, Tony Bennett) were larger than life to me. Sharpe was my favorite player. WR was my favorite position. God, those were the days. Those pictures bring back memories.

My older son is a Giants fan. God, that urked me at first. He does have a little bit of his old man in him though. He knew almost every penalty in the game by the time he was 7 or 8 years old. There were times we'd be watching football, his mom would ask a question and he'd answer all annoyed, eyes rolling, "that's illegal contact, it was before the ball was in the air" or something like that. Good shit :)

It used to piss me off that he was a Giants fan, but I think he did that just so he could be his own person and not have to be like his dad. I started liking the Giants too, cuz he does, and now we're football buddies. He's helped me expand my football horizons and I support him even though he didn't follow in the family tradition.

I love football.

[woodbuck27]

The first football book I read was a book about the Majik to Sharpe and Montana to Rice connections. I used to watch the Lindy Infante show. I was 8, my sister 9. I remember she had the gull to fight with me over the TV. I wanted the Packer game, she the carebears. I was Majik one year for halloween. Those Packers (Majik, Sharpe, Tony Bennett) were larger than life to me. Sharpe was my favorite player. WR was my favorite position. God, those were the days. Those pictures bring back memories.

My older son is a Giants fan. God, that urked me at first. He does have a little bit of his old man in him though. He knew almost every penalty in the game by the time he was 7 or 8 years old. There were times we'd be watching football, his mom would ask a question and he'd answer all annoyed, eyes rolling, "that's illegal contact, it was before the ball was in the air" or something like that. Good shit :)

It used to piss me off that he was a Giants fan, but I think he did that just so he could be his own person and not have to be like his dad. I started liking the Giants too, cuz he does, and now we're football buddies. He's helped me expand my football horizons and I support him even though he didn't follow in the family tradition.

I love football.

I loved this post from you JH.

Sometimes I wonder what life as a father would have been had I fathered a son. It was three daughters and two of those gals were very athletic. So that pleased me all the same.

I really enjoyed this post JH. I too loved Sterling Sharpe's days as a Packer and today he's as loyal a Green Bay Packer fan as ever. Sterling Sharpe eats and breathes Packers on NFL Access during the regular season. I never miss his segments. He's a very solid and sure analyst.

I'm impressed that you followed the Packers at the age of eight. I wasn't becoming a Packer fan until about the age of twelve, or just prior to Vince Lombardi's arrival. The Packers were God Awful before he came to Green Bay. Then it became really great. All those Yankee fans could brag but Bob (a close friend)and I. Had the Green Bay Packers.

I'll die loving the Green Bay Packers.

GO PACK GO !

[Fritz]

The first football book I read was a book about the Majik to Sharpe and Montana to Rice connections. I used to watch the Lindy Infante show. I was 8, my sister 9. I remember she had the gull to fight with me over the TV. I wanted the Packer game, she the carebears. I was Majik one year for halloween. Those Packers (Majik, Sharpe, Tony Bennett) were larger than life to me. Sharpe was my favorite player. WR was my favorite position. God, those were the days. Those pictures bring back memories.

My older son is a Giants fan. God, that urked me at first. He does have a little bit of his old man in him though. He knew almost every penalty in the game by the time he was 7 or 8 years old. There were times we'd be watching football, his mom would ask a question and he'd answer all annoyed, eyes rolling, "that's illegal contact, it was before the ball was in the air" or something like that. Good shit :)

It used to piss me off that he was a Giants fan, but I think he did that just so he could be his own person and not have to be like his dad. I started liking the Giants too, cuz he does, and now we're football buddies. He's helped me expand my football horizons and I support him even though he didn't follow in the family tradition.

I love football.

You didn't disown him for not being a Packer fan? JH, you do know there's a loyalty commission being formed in another thread to determine who the "real" Packer fans are...this isn't going to look good, man.

[Fritz]

He seemed to be one of those guys who had some good skills, though not great skills, but was a damn good leader and kind of inspiring to watch. I liked him, but I did recognize that he did not have a rocket arm.

Still, I watched him in the old Pontiac Silverdome beat the Lions on the last play of the game on a pass to...I'm not sure who. The Pack was down around the ten yard line, time running out. I still believe Majik was targeting an underneath receiver, maybe a tight end, but the pass was overthrown, and ended up looking like a pinpoint bullet shot to the wide receiver who caught it for the winning TD.

I've been wondering about the accuracy of human memory lately...especially mine - so I looked up this game. Well, okay, they weren't down around the ten (it was the 26), but here's the scoring from September 30, 1990, from the Packers/Lions game at the Pontiac Silverdome:

1st Lions Robert Clark 4 yard pass from Rodney Peete (Eddie Murray kick) 0 7
2nd Packers Chris Jacke 34 yard field goal 3 7
Packers Ed West 3 yard pass from Don Majkowski (Chris Jacke kick) 10 7
Lions Barry Sanders 3 yard rush (Eddie Murray kick) 10 14
3rd Lions Rodney Peete 7 yard rush (Eddie Murray kick) 10 21
4th Packers Michael Haddix 4 yard pass from Don Majkowski (Chris Jacke kick) 17 21
Packers Jeff Query 26 yard pass from Don Majkowski (Chris Jacke kick) 24 21

[woodbuck27]

I've been wondering about the accuracy of human memory lately...especially mine - so I looked up this game. Well, okay, they weren't down around the ten (it was the 26), but here's the scoring from September 30, 1990, from the Packers/Lions game at the Pontiac Silverdome:

1st Lions Robert Clark 4 yard pass from Rodney Peete (Eddie Murray kick) 0 7
2nd Packers Chris Jacke 34 yard field goal 3 7
Packers Ed West 3 yard pass from Don Majkowski (Chris Jacke kick) 10 7
Lions Barry Sanders 3 yard rush (Eddie Murray kick) 10 14
3rd Lions Rodney Peete 7 yard rush (Eddie Murray kick) 10 21
4th Packers Michael Haddix 4 yard pass from Don Majkowski (Chris Jacke kick) 17 21
Packers Jeff Query 26 yard pass from Don Majkowski (Chris Jacke kick) 24 21

There you go Fritz. Green Bay Packers Ed West, Michael Haddix and Jeff Query. Who was thinking about any of those fellas over breakfast?

Who was thinking of Chris Jacke.

You've got to love the internet.

PACKERS !

[Fritz]

There you go Fritz. Green Bay Packers Ed West, Michael Haddix and Jeff Query. Who was thinking about any of those fellas over breakfast?

Who was thinking of Chris Jacke.

You've got to love the internet.

PACKERS !

It's funny...at the time I thought they had enough talent - Majik, Sharpe, Jacke, Ken Ruetgers, Tony Bennett, Tim Harris, Ed West, Leroy Butler, Bryce Paup. But for reasons I can't recall Anthony Dildo shared playing time with Majik. I think Dilweg had good stats but no arm. That was a 6-10 team - Lindy-the-Infant's second-to-last year.

And Brent Fullwood and Darrell Thompson were your running backs...Haddix was listed as a FB.

Lindy Infante milked his 10-6 season for two more after that, before it was abundantly clear the wheels had fallen off. Then Ron Wolf was brought in, and, well, we know how that worked out.

[mraynrand]

It's funny...at the time I thought they had enough talent ...

look at the vertical for Jeff Query! I guess it's a testament to how bad things were in GB that I remember briefly entertaining the thought that Query was a "Quality football player."

(Note: Check out the youthful 'scoops' McGinn...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-US4q4otKzto/UNJ5DAMpYLI/AAAAAAAAOfU/5jumnI4TgPw/s1600/1990-08-18-Program-14.jpg

[denverYooper]

McGinn's sporting quite the birds' nest up there.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Brent Fumblewood and Anthony "Run straight into the pile" Thompson. Ahhh, the good old days of Packer RBs.

[RashanGary]

I wonder how many times Mcginn has been punched in the face for that smirk?




http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-US4q4otKzto/UNJ5DAMpYLI/AAAAAAAAOfU/5jumnI4TgPw/s1600/1990-08-18-Program-14.jpg

[Iron Mike]

Who had the best mullet??

Majkowski?

http://www.packershistory.net/files/PACKERS/1989PACKERS-MajikBlonde.jpg

Jacke?

http://fdileague.com/images/Faces/Chris-Jacke.jpg

Or, Query?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3KPUU4nh6WA/TNc6Fv_bGrI/AAAAAAAAAOU/C5fwOzeaoUM/s1600/SCAN0102.1.jpg

[HarveyWallbangers]

look at the vertical for Jeff Query! I guess it's a testament to how bad things were in GB that I remember briefly entertaining the thought that Query was a "Quality football player."

(Note: Check out the youthful 'scoops' McGinn...

Query wasn't a bad football player. He was a one trick pony, a poor man's Don Beebe, but man was he fast. His nickname was "White Lightning".

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brent Fumblewood and Anthony "Run straight into the pile" Thompson. Ahhh, the good old days of Packer RBs.

Darrell Thompson. There was an Anthony Thompson that went to another time around the same time. I think he was as big of a bust as Darrell.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Had to look it up. Both Darrell and Anthony Thompson arrived in 1990. Both came out of the Big 10 (Minnesota and Indiana). Darrell was a 1st round pick. Anthony was a second round pick. Darrell finished with 1641 yards, 3.5 yards/carry, 7 TDs. Anthony finished with 831 yards, 3.3 yards/carry, 6 TDs.

Darrell did have a useful run in the 1993 season to help the Pack return to the playoffs for the first time since 1982.

[mraynrand]

Had to look it up. Both Darrell and Anthony Thompson arrived in 1990. Both came out of the Big 10 (Minnesota and Indiana). Darrell was a 1st round pick. Anthony was a second round pick. Darrell finished with 1641 yards, 3.5 yards/carry, 7 TDs. Anthony finished with 831 yards, 3.3 yards/carry, 6 TDs.

Darrell did have a useful run in the 1993 season to help the Pack return to the playoffs for the first time since 1982.

I scored a three point play off D Thompson in intramurals. Later in the same game, I took a charge, and he sent me across the gym. He was gracious and picked me up off my ass though. Even in basketball, he could only go straight forward.

[Pugger]

Who had the best mullet??

Majkowski?

http://www.packershistory.net/files/PACKERS/1989PACKERS-MajikBlonde.jpg

Jacke?

http://fdileague.com/images/Faces/Chris-Jacke.jpg

Or, Query?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3KPUU4nh6WA/TNc6Fv_bGrI/AAAAAAAAAOU/C5fwOzeaoUM/s1600/SCAN0102.1.jpg

Jackie.

[woodbuck27]

Who had the best mullet??

Majkowski?

http://www.packershistory.net/files/PACKERS/1989PACKERS-MajikBlonde.jpg

Jacke?

http://fdileague.com/images/Faces/Chris-Jacke.jpg

Or, Query?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3KPUU4nh6WA/TNc6Fv_bGrI/AAAAAAAAAOU/C5fwOzeaoUM/s1600/SCAN0102.1.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn253/knytul/peewee.jpg

I'm just wondering Iron Mike....

Maybe... 'only' amongst men ... Peewee Herman should comment on that!?

[George Cumby]

Woody, that ain't right.

[Iron Mike]

Majkowski had real skill, but that ankle injury was killer. The guy still can't walk.

Check out the kid in the Zubaz!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOzyWfQ8Dk

[KYPack]

Who had the best mullet??

Majkowski?

http://www.packershistory.net/files/PACKERS/1989PACKERS-MajikBlonde.jpg

Jacke?

http://fdileague.com/images/Faces/Chris-Jacke.jpg

Or, Query?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3KPUU4nh6WA/TNc6Fv_bGrI/AAAAAAAAAOU/C5fwOzeaoUM/s1600/SCAN0102.1.jpg

Bizness in the front, party in the back.

[swede]

I think I am in love with Ken Ruettgers. I want to go cry in my pillow because he doesn't even know I exist.

There was a time when the Packers had sucked so bad for so long that Green Bay kids went to the filming of the Majik Show while wearing a Barry Sanders jersey.


Check out the kid in the Zubaz!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeOzyWfQ8Dk

[Freak Out]

In honor of HH coming back into the fold.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/07/sage-rosenfels-brett-favre-saints-vikings/

[HowardRoark]

I scored a three point play off D Thompson in intramurals. Later in the same game, I took a charge, and he sent me across the gym. He was gracious and picked me up off my ass though. Even in basketball, he could only go straight forward.

I once shut down Darrin Charles.

[MJZiggy]

I once shut down Darrin Charles.
Who?

[swede]

I once shut down Darrin Charles.


Who?

According to Wikipedia Darrin Charles was some guy that Howard Roark and Tank shut down in their high school glory days.

The Favre relationship to this matter is not apparent in any immediate way but it's there. It's there.

[George Cumby]

In honor of HH coming back into the fold.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/07/sage-rosenfels-brett-favre-saints-vikings/

That was a good read. Thanks for posting.

[Freak Out]

Sage isn't a good writer, but the guy is a hell of a ball washer.

[Pugger]

According to Wikipedia Darrin Charles was some guy that Howard Roark and Tank shut down in their high school glory days.

The Favre relationship to this matter is not apparent in any immediate way but it's there. It's there.

Ol tank kept saying he shut down Darren Charles in high school. I kept calling the idiot out on that because Darren Charles is some bodybuilder and Darrin Charles was a WR at Madison back in the day. :lol:

[Fritz]

So how 'bout that ol' Brent Favre guy?

[MJZiggy]

According to Wikipedia Darrin Charles was some guy that Howard Roark and Tank shut down in their high school glory days.

The Favre relationship to this matter is not apparent in any immediate way but it's there. It's there.

Nothing like peaking at 17...

[swede]

According to Wikipedia Darrin Charles was some guy that Howard Roark and Tank shut down in their high school glory days.

The Favre relationship to this matter is not apparent in any immediate way but it's there. It's there.


Nothing like peaking at 17...

Always good to get the cougar perspective on young men.

[MJZiggy]

Always good to get the cougar perspective on young men.
I know of no one of an age at which she can be considered a cougar who would even think of touching that...

[Smidgeon]

At 44, apparently Bus Cook thinks Favre could still play better than a lot of the QBs playing now. Apparently Mr. Cook failed to watch Favre's last season:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130924/PKR0101/130924019/Here-we-go-again-Favre-could-play-today-agent-says

This thread was found on page 7 and had a last post of a month and a half ago. Is that the longest the thread has languished in obscurity?

[mraynrand]

Bus Cook, Favre, Potpourri.....Harlan?

[Guiness]

At 44, apparently Bus Cook thinks Favre could still play better than a lot of the QBs playing now. Apparently Mr. Cook failed to watch Favre's last season:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130924/PKR0101/130924019/Here-we-go-again-Favre-could-play-today-agent-says

This thread was found on page 7 and had a last post of a month and a half ago. Is that the longest the thread has languished in obscurity?

I think it was. Thanks so much for going and finding it!

I assume Cook is just trying to keep his client's name in the papers cause Brett likes it that way...right???

[ThunderDan]

At 44, apparently Bus Cook thinks Favre could still play better than a lot of the QBs playing now. Apparently Mr. Cook failed to watch Favre's last season:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130924/PKR0101/130924019/Here-we-go-again-Favre-could-play-today-agent-says

This thread was found on page 7 and had a last post of a month and a half ago. Is that the longest the thread has languished in obscurity?

If he did come back and play that would push his HOF entry date down the road. That might help the Pack to let more time pass.

[red]

ah fuck

here we go again. right when things are starting to smooth over with packer fans, he's gonna go play for the queens again and piss all over us, again

[Joemailman]

I think it was. Thanks so much for going and finding it!

I assume Cook is just trying to keep his client's name in the papers cause Brett likes it that way...right???

Or maybe he'd like someone to pay Favre because as his agent he gets a commission.

[Fritz]

i wonder if Cook cleared this with Brent.

[Patler]

i wonder if Cook cleared this with Brent.

...or if Favre asked him to float the idea to see if there are any takers?

[Joemailman]

I think I know who's behind this.

http://elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/brett-favre-greg-jennings-elite-daily.jpg

[Cheesehead Craig]

Fire Favre!

Wait... wrong thread

[Pugger]

It was much nicer when this stupid thread was off the first page...

[mraynrand]

I think I know who's behind this.

http://elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/brett-favre-greg-jennings-elite-daily.jpg

fire up the jet!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uR3fy6lxqhc/SJck7Y9N_mI/AAAAAAAAACc/2Y0ptR5mH9U/s320/nfl_a_favre3_412.jpg

[mraynrand]

Need someone who can sling the ball! @NoQBatPonderosa#jenningsister
http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2008/08/large_Bret%20Favre%20Football_Rotz.JPG

[Upnorth]

...or if Favre asked him to float the idea to see if there are any takers?

George Crumby did something that floats this morning as well (see Fire Slocum thread) which is comparable to this idea.

[Fritz]

Need someone who can sling the ball! @NoQBatPonderosa#jenningsister
http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2008/08/large_Bret%20Favre%20Football_Rotz.JPG

Is that really a tweet from Jennings' sister? For real she's ripping Ponder now?

Wow. What a feminine hygiene product she is!

[mraynrand]

Is that really a tweet from Jennings' sister? For real she's ripping Ponder now?

Wow. What a feminine hygiene product she is!

!!! no, I made it up. but, note the red carpet outside the plane.

[George Cumby]

George Crumby did something that floats this morning as well (see Fire Slocum thread) which is comparable to this idea.

:tup:

[Rutnstrut]

At 44, apparently Bus Cook thinks Favre could still play better than a lot of the QBs playing now. Apparently Mr. Cook failed to watch Favre's last season:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20130924/PKR0101/130924019/Here-we-go-again-Favre-could-play-today-agent-says

This thread was found on page 7 and had a last post of a month and a half ago. Is that the longest the thread has languished in obscurity?

He's not 44 yet.

[Infamous]

a wise man once coined "Father, Son, Holy Spirit, apostle Paul, FAVRE!"

I almost fainted when I heard the Bus Cook statements

Ted Thompson and fatboy McCarthy pretty much ruined the world; thank the creator for ObamaCare at least

[Patler]

He's not 44 yet.

But next week he will be over 44.

[Kiwon]

The thread that just won't die.

When's his jersey getting retired? 2016? That's at least 3 more years of Farve chatter.

[pbmax]

We are easily going to hit 600 pages before his jersey retirement OR the Hall of Fame ceremony.

Sharpe makes a pitch for Favre to Buffalo (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/06/sharpe-makes-a-pitch-for-favre-to-buffalo/)


Sharpe, who specifically directed that message to the Bills, said Favre is running four or five miles per day and riding his bike 30 to 40 miles per day.

[Guiness]

Flat out nuts. Got to hand it to him though, he's taken the 'no off-season training' thing a step further. If he were to come back now, he'd successfully avoid off-season camps, training camp AND the first 1/4 of the season!

Not to mention...Buffalo??? I'd think the reason he'd want to come back would be for a shot at a ring, that's not going to happen in Buffalo! Plus, in case he's not aware, the amount of snow that place gets makes Green Bay look like the Sahara at times.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I certainly hope Favre comes back. Why not? If he can play he can play.

[pbmax]

At this point, I am rooting for him to play at fifty like George Blanda or Minny Minoso.

[Upnorth]

I'm over the emotional bs and ready to cheer for him if he stays away from the NFC north.

[Smeefers]

If BF comes back, what would the funniest injury to him be? I'm thinking if he breaks a hip.

[pbmax]

If BF comes back, what would the funniest injury to him be? I'm thinking if he breaks a hip.

Especially if he does it falling down stairs.

[George Cumby]

Especially if he does it falling down stairs.

"I've fallen and I can't get up!"

Seriously, it would be rad to see him come in and play decently.

[TravisWilliams23]

Greta Van Susteren is sooooo full of shit. Bert called her show tonight as a "surprise" caller and it just happens to be his birthday. Greta said the Pack "owes you" and "they need to call you up to retire his number". What a crock of shit. I don't know what has been done up to this point by either side to reconcile the split but it's not a one-way deal here sweetie. If you want to listen to the BS here's the site:
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html

[mraynrand]

the Pack "owes you" and "they need to call you up to retire his number"

I agree with this. The Packers owe Bert for years and years of superlative QBing and being the face of the Packers revival. They need to call him and set up the number retirement after he is in the HOF. That's just SOP.

[Joemailman]

Greta Van Susteren is sooooo full of shit. Bert called her show tonight as a "surprise" caller and it just happens to be his birthday. Greta said the Pack "owes you" and "they need to call you up to retire his number". What a crock of shit. I don't know what has been done up to this point by either side to reconcile the split but it's not a one-way deal here sweetie. If you want to listen to the BS here's the site:
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html

Are you suggesting Brett should call up the Packers and tell them to retire his number?

[Infamous]

although four hours late, happy bday packer savior!! GB owes their resurrection to you like lazarus oh Lord Favre :worship:

[TravisWilliams23]

Are you suggesting Brett should call up the Packers and tell them to retire his number?
Not at all. I said I don't know what HAS BEEN DONE up to this point BY EITHER SIDE. BOTH sides have to reconcile. I don't know the exact dollar amount the Packers paid BF over his career but it's close to 100 million. For Greta to suggest the Packers "OWE" BF is a total crock of shit. If they retire his number great, if not great. IMO he really damaged his Packer reputation with his late career decisions.

[mraynrand]

I agree with this. The Packers owe Bert for years and years of superlative QBing and being the face of the Packers revival. They need to call him and set up the ring of honor ceremony after he is in the pro football HOF. That's just SOP.

fixed. I don't like the number retirement thing - for any player.

[denverYooper]

Come on 600!

[mraynrand]

Sharpe, who specifically directed that message to the Bills, said Favre is running four or five miles per day and riding his bike 30 to 40 miles per day.

"I know I can still play"
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/61007/61007,1159965566,7/stock-photo-little-kid-learning-to-drive-a-bike-1944908.jpg

[Cheesehead Craig]

Sharpe, who specifically directed that message to the Bills, said Favre is running four or five miles per day and riding his bike 30 to 40 miles per day.

I call bull to the shit on that.

[MJZiggy]

I agree with this. The Packers owe Bert for years and years of superlative QBing and being the face of the Packers revival. They need to call him and set up the number retirement after he is in the HOF. That's just SOP.I thought they did that already and he declined?

[mraynrand]

I thought they did that already and he declined?

Pro Football HOF, dear. The Packer HOF is a whole different issue. Pro HOF certain things are triggered: ring of honor with a ceremony to reveal the name. Suck it up Packers and get him in there in a couple of years. (really, they should put him in the Packer HOF before that, even if he doesn't show).

[gbgary]

with all the pick 6 talk lately someone compiled a list. guess who's #1 on the list with 35...lol...35. i can only think of a handful...damn!!


http://www.footballperspective.com/

btw...i thought long and hard about bumping this fucking thread. lol

[Guiness]

Chris Redman with an insane 1% of passes returned for pick 6's - that's not going to earn you your coaches favour!

Can't entirely blame his though. He had a bad tackling offense :-)
35.7% of his INTs were returned for TDs, the averaqe is close to 10%, so 3x as many of his INTs were returned for TD. I wonder if that's on Redman?

[KYPack]

The great Brint will be on NFL live this AM (Oct 20).

He will comment on all the angst one feels when returning "home" to play a ball game.

[Pugger]

I have no idea what Favre can really bring to that discussion. The ONLY thing the 2 situations have in common is he and Peyton returned to play against the team they cut their teeth with. Favre wanted revenge against TT and MM for having the audacity to chose to start Rodgers AFTER #4 retired. Peyton knew the team didn't want to pay an injured player his huge salary and left the team amicably.

[KYPack]

BLF allowed as how Peyton would be nervous for the game.

Then he said that Tony Romo was a good player that took a lot of chances.

Then he laughed and said he did, too.

[channtheman]

BLF allowed as how Peyton would be nervous for the game.

Then he said that Tony Romo was a good player that took a lot of chances.

Then he laughed and said he did, too.

Is there anything left for him to do? For what it's worth, I think Favre was a player that most NFL fans enjoyed watching all the time. Packer fans only enjoyed watching him half the time.

[esoxx]

He said he has Aaron Rodgers as his Fantasy Football League QB this year. Interesting.

[Joemailman]

I have no idea what Favre can really bring to that discussion. The ONLY thing the 2 situations have in common is he and Peyton returned to play against the team they cut their teeth with. Favre wanted revenge against TT and MM for having the audacity to chose to start Rodgers AFTER #4 retired. Peyton knew the team didn't want to pay an injured player his huge salary and left the team amicably.

That's certainly true in terms of how he handled things publicly. However, there's considerable debate about how he feels privately about Irsay's decision to let him go.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000264951/article/peyton-manning-quiet-ahead-of-indy-return-week-7-storylines


Manning had ample opportunity to smooth over the narrative this week, to let Irsay off the hook for the awkward comments the Colts owner made to USA Today about why he let the quarterback go, comments that made Irsay sound, perhaps inadvertently, ungrateful for the one Super Bowl they won together.

Manning did not do it. He was clipped in declining to address what Irsay had said. This, then, was about what Manning did not say and the way he did not say it.

There is little doubt Manning's departure from Indianapolis was wrenching and that it still rankles. You don't say something like "I've learned that in life you need to be at peace with other people's decisions that affect you, that you have no control over," without revealing that the bromide has been put to the test in the past 18 months.

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But since joining the Broncos, Manning has assiduously avoided addressing his exit. Bill Polian, the man who drafted Manning and was fired by the Colts not long before Manning was released, believes it is far more difficult for the quarterback to play games against his brother, Eli, than to return to Lucas Oil Stadium and oppose his old team.

Still, it was hard to watch Manning this week and not come away thinking he's angry at Irsay's remarks. And that the response Manning most wants to make will come in the final score, which he would undoubtedly prefer to be lopsided, to provide the resounding rejoinder to the notion that the Colts' decision to release him and move on with Luck was best for all parties.

[Bretsky]

I think it was entertaning; Favre said he may be in shape but he's not remotedly in football shape and he has no interest in playing football anymore. Somehow the discussion moved to how he plays fantasy football.......and AROD was his QB....and a light flipped on and he noted he had about 20 minutes to update and get his starting lineup in

[Infamous]

He said he has Aaron Rodgers as his Fantasy Football League QB this year. Interesting.

Yeah, that was kool..!
He looks like he's aged 6 years in 3 years, clearly drinking more beer than water